WWI Digest 2144 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Smer DH2/ was: My little gallery by Ray_Boorman@telus.net 2) I Got Your Valentine's Day Story Right Here, Bub... by "DAVID BURKE" 3) RE: French finished was Rumpler "Cross" on ebay by Shane Weier 4) Re: I Got Your Valentine's Day Story Right Here, Bub... by Ray_Boorman@telus.net 5) Re: I Got Your Valentine's Day Story Right Here, Bub... by "DAVID BURKE" 6) Re: I Got Your Valentine's Day Story Right Here, Bub... by Albatrosdv@aol.com 7) RE: I Got Your Valentine's Day Story Right Here, Bub... by "John Glaser" 8) Re: MoS Type AI by "Lee Mensinger" 9) Re: My little gallery by Witold Kozakiewicz 10) RE: 1/48 Avro 504 and Curtiss Jenny by "dfernet0" 11) Nieuport 17 by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 12) Re: Nieuport 17 by "Matthew Bittner" 13) 台湾W色情图片索引 by "apple" 14) Voice From The Past Requesting Toko & FMP News by "Kevin Barrett" 15) Re: Nieuport 17 by "Lance Krieg" 16) Re: Nieuport 17 by nieuport 17) Voice from the past by "Lee Mensinger" 18) Display cases by "Michael Kendix" 19) Re: Display cases by Matthew Zivich 20) Re: Display cases by Zulis@aol.com 21) Voss & the Nazis by Matthew Zivich 22) Re: Voss & the Nazis by Lyle Lamboley 23) Re: Voss & the Nazis by "Bill Bacon" 24) Re: MoS Type AI by Steve Cox 25) RE: Voice From The Past Requesting Toko & FMP News by Shane Weier 26) Re: Voss & the Nazis by Zulis@aol.com 27) Re: Voss & the Nazis by Matthew Zivich ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 18:29:28 -0800 From: Ray_Boorman@telus.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Smer DH2/ was: My little gallery Message-ID: <200002150229.SAA04384@smtpout.telus.net> I have the BlueMax DH-2 and I have always wondered whether that could act as a decent pattern to base the Smer build on. I know Sandy Adam did something like this with a Spad VII. Mind you my tobuild list is getting to the point that I do plan to be making use of wonder drugs to stop us aging that everyone says are just round the corner. I can see it now I'll still be painting the DFW sometime around my 90th birthday...... Ray On 14 Feb 00, at 17:42, smperry@mindspring.com wrote: > Mack: > > As Michael and Lance mentioned, I did build a Smer DH-2. Afraid not > much of the Smer kit survived the process though. > > About 2/3 f the outer wing panels, (the other third was sanded away), > the two nacelle halves the engine case & cyls, ammo drums, wheels, > bits of axle & tailskid and the fin & rudder. > > The Datafile has excellent detail photos & drawings. A must for any > DH-2 kit in any scale. > > This kit is a real fixer upper. You can have a great time making a > DH-2 out of it, but the key word is time, with liberal doses of effort > thrown in. > > If you can get the Blue Max kit at a reasonable price, you will avoid > a lot of work. Chris Gannon of Blue Max did say that the DH-2 is low > in stock, so you better hurry id you want one direct. > > sp > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 20:34:07 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: "Jeff Whitaker" , Subject: I Got Your Valentine's Day Story Right Here, Bub... Message-ID: <00a901bf775d$269dc180$4d90aec7@dora9sprynet.com> Okay Y'all, Today, February 14, St. Valentine's Day can be rough when you're single. Most of us know this. We know that it can really suck when we're alone - all of the adverts, the flowers, the damned balloons sticking your face right in the moist, garbagey-smelling realization of the pure and simple fact that we are ALONE - and THANK YOU ! PLEASE, POUR A LITTLE LEMON JUICE ON MY PAPER CUT, PLEASE, WHY DON'T YOU?? Excuse me. Y'all, I am not ashamed that it has been a while since I have been on a date. Why? I don't know. But it has been a while. Some of my recent relationships have had heavy consequences for me, and now, since I bought my motorcycle, I have become very appealing to married women, and I am not about to step in a pile of ca-ca there! And I'm a romantic at heart. Love is great, and all that. I own a copy of 'Casablanca'. I'm sensitive, see? So anyway, after riding this motorcycle on the Interstates today during Birmingham Rush Hour traffic, I stopped into a local bar and grill for a couple to unwind after nearly being eaten by semi-trucks. I engaged in the usual dialogues with fellow patrons and the bartenders - including a very attractive woman (married, yep), ate dinner, and left; walking to my motorcycle, which was parked at the corner. I saw something white tucked under the saddle. It was a note, written on a bar napkin. It had been folded in quarter, and tucked neatly under the cinch-knot where my saddle-bag is tied. I unhesitatingly opened it up - anticipation at the top and bottom of each breath - could it really be a missal from a tender female (I hope) heart, declaring a feeling of lonliness, shyness, a demure brush, a contact - subtle - but just enough for the partitions between two souls to drop and let that current flow and, oh GOD, could it please, PLEASE be my time, my chance, oh God I JUST DON'T WANT TO DIE OLD, FAT, UGLY, AND A L O N E . . . . . Please find the body of the letter below: "Dear Ben, I saw your bike, but I couldn't find you, so I just wanted to touch base w/ you. I love you & I miss you & I'll see you later. Sincerely, Cassandra" My name is Dave. So let's all raise a glass to Charles 'Sparky' Schultz: the spirit of Charlie Brown still lives. Cheers All, Dave P.S.: I'll send you scans of the note if you think I'm lying! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 12:50:15 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: French finished was Rumpler "Cross" on ebay Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1CFF@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Pedro asks: > Could it be that there > were 2 types of paint, > one with alu and the other without it? (This would explain > the differences between > the finish of this aircraft and the Museum's Breguet XIV for > instance, where no > trace of metal on the colours is apparent, therefore giving > quite a different > appearance to the aircraft). Yes and no. Of the five colour *dopes* all except black have aluminium powder filler to help protect the fabric. Black doesn't need it, since it gives better protection than the other colours do even *with* the aluminium. These *dopes* are shrinking acetates used only on the fabric surfaces. There are also fatty paints (ie, IIRC they use linseed oil and/or some form of turpentine base) used on metal surfaces where you *can't* used shrinking dope - because the dope will shrink on drying and peel off. These paints did *not* contain the aluminium, because it wasn't needed. So - yes, there are two types of paints, but not on the fabric. And no, I don't believe they used non-aluminised dopes on fabric during the period the XIV was in use. The machine in the museum was probably restored without using aluminised dope though - even NASM does NOT use period dopes to finish its restored aircraft because the stuff is rather flammable and provides less than wonderful protection for what are truly rare and valuable machines Shane (most of the above is my failing memory of Proj. Butterfly -if wrong, RATS ;-) ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 19:08:28 -0800 From: Ray_Boorman@telus.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: I Got Your Valentine's Day Story Right Here, Bub... Message-ID: <200002150308.TAA22571@smtpout.telus.net> LOLOL this absolutely proves it, you can be 16 or any multiple up to triple didgits but you still act like a teenager wondering if she likes you/she likes you not ......... btw where darn it are you riding a bike in the evening at this time of year On 14 Feb 00, at 21:45, DAVID BURKE wrote: > Okay Y'all, > > Today, February 14, St. Valentine's Day can be rough when you're > single. > Most of us know this. We know that it can really suck when we're > alone - all of the adverts, the flowers, the damned balloons sticking > your face right in the moist, garbagey-smelling realization of the > pure and simple fact that we are ALONE - and THANK YOU ! PLEASE, POUR > A LITTLE LEMON JUICE ON MY PAPER CUT, PLEASE, WHY DON'T YOU?? > > Excuse > me. > > Y'all, I am not ashamed that it has been a while since I have been on > a date. Why? I don't know. But it has been a while. Some of my > recent relationships have had heavy consequences for me, and now, > since I bought my motorcycle, I have become very appealing to married > women, and I am not about to step in a pile of ca-ca there! And I'm a > romantic at heart. Love is great, and all that. I own a copy of > 'Casablanca'. I'm sensitive, see? So anyway, after riding this > motorcycle on the Interstates today during Birmingham Rush Hour > traffic, I stopped into a local bar and grill for a couple to unwind > after nearly being eaten by semi-trucks. I engaged in the usual > dialogues with fellow patrons and the bartenders - including a very > attractive woman (married, yep), ate dinner, and left; walking to my > motorcycle, which was parked at the corner. I saw something white > tucked under the saddle. > > It was a note, written on a bar napkin. It had been folded in > quarter, > and tucked neatly under the cinch-knot where my saddle-bag is tied. I > unhesitatingly opened it up - anticipation at the top and bottom of > each breath - could it really be a missal from a tender female (I > hope) heart, declaring a feeling of lonliness, shyness, a demure > brush, a contact - subtle - but just enough for the partitions > between two souls to drop and let that current flow and, oh GOD, could > it please, PLEASE be my time, my chance, oh God I JUST DON'T WANT TO > DIE OLD, FAT, UGLY, AND A L O N E . . . . . > > Please find the body of the letter below: > > "Dear Ben, > > I saw your bike, but I couldn't find you, so I just wanted to touch > base w/ you. I love you & I miss you & I'll see you later. > > > Sincerely, > > > Cassandra" > > > My name is Dave. > > So let's all raise a glass to Charles 'Sparky' Schultz: the spirit of > Charlie Brown still lives. > > > Cheers All, > > > Dave > > P.S.: I'll send you scans of the note if you think I'm lying! > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 21:07:32 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: I Got Your Valentine's Day Story Right Here, Bub... Message-ID: <00d101bf7761$ce59fc00$4d90aec7@dora9sprynet.com> >btw where darn it are you riding a bike in the evening at this time of >year On the street. DB Birmingham, AL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 23:10:51 EST From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: I Got Your Valentine's Day Story Right Here, Bub... Message-ID: Nobody would tell a story like that if it wasn't true, DB. Good luck with Cassandra. Tom Cleave Fellow Romantic ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 22:12:15 -0600 From: "John Glaser" To: Subject: RE: I Got Your Valentine's Day Story Right Here, Bub... Message-ID: <000501bf776a$d7fec520$8d00000a@johnghome> Priceless. ot, but priceless........... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 22:53:36 -0600 From: "Lee Mensinger" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu, ERIC HIGHT Subject: Re: MoS Type AI Message-ID: <38A8DBD0.BDB9822@wireweb.net> On the 1/28th Swabians. Consider telling me also Lee M. lemen@wireweb.net ERIC HIGHT wrote: > matt, > sorry can't help you on that. > eric > > john, > it's a possibility in the future. i'll keep you in mind. > thanks > eric > > At 02:37 PM 2/14/00 -0500, you wrote: > >On Mon, 14 Feb 2000 14:32:03 -0500 (EST), ERIC HIGHT wrote: > > > >> i luv it when you beg!! remember these colors are in the wrong scale for > >> you but i hope this helps. > > > >Thanks, but I knew the exterior colors. I want the interior > >colors - cockpit sides, metal framework, etc. > > > >See my French site for Polly Scale matches to French five color. > > > > > >Matt Bittner > >http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm > >http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 09:29:01 +0100 From: Witold Kozakiewicz To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: My little gallery Message-ID: <38A90E4D.72B25F46@bgamld.bg.am.lodz.pl> Thanks for all yours opinion, now I feel better and i can see that it's not so bad ;-)) and some comments, I see that you are most interested in E.V and Aviatik, so Fokker is E.V 187/18 one of 16 we used in Polish AF, also had one D.VIII, all was probably captured from German in XI.1918 on Lawica airfield near Poznan. Later Polish E.V had additional rigging wing-wheel strut. And model - made OOB from one of the first Eduard's kits, also my 2nd OT model (first was Hansa), lozenge from propagteam, wheels on E.V and Aviatik are etched, and Aviatik lozenge is decal, only corrected color of fuselage band (black not red) and L-mark on top wing - only white outline. decals was put directly on plastic with no primer, and then protected with Testors acrylic clear flat, some of hex were corrected with spare hexagonal, and some places I had to hand paint them (around engine and radiator and front of cockpit). Bottom paint with CDL and dark ply on fuselage. On saturday I started Fokker D.II from Gavia- I've just completeted interior and put fuselage together. Fits realy good, no correction needed on floor shape, very little putty. By the end of the week it sould be ready to final assembly I hope. thanks again. -- Witold Kozakiewicz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 08:09:33 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: 1/48 Avro 504 and Curtiss Jenny Message-ID: <00a101bf77a5$23608320$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Ken List member David Vosburgh has extensively reworked the Smer AVRO, having excellent results. He did a post-war/civilian trainer. Contact him for further details. D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Acosta To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 4:43 PM Subject: Re: 1/48 Avro 504 and Curtiss Jenny > Lance- > > Thanks for the response. I've heard that the Lindberg Jenny can be made into a pretty decent model. Do you know anything about the Smer/Artiplast/Merit 504K? Is it worthwhile, or should I wait for Eduard to get around to one? > > Ken > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 07:16:23 -0600 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Nieuport 17 Message-ID: A few Nieuport questions for Matt and anyone else who might have a comment. 1) What type of material were the inspection panels on either side of the forward fuselage made of--aluminum, pre-formed plywood, etc.? 2) I have a drawing that shows a round ammo drum mounted on the port side fuselage, between the fuselage "skin" and the framework/throttle quadrant (Vickers installation). Is this accurate? 3) In looking at many pictures, the exterior of many aluminum-doped aircraft look smudged, similar to paint being worn off. Is this actually the dope being worn, or is it dirt? Has anyone tried to simulate this successfully on a model? Thanks. Paul ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 07:29:27 -0600 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Nieuport 17 Message-ID: <200002151331.HAA20923@mail2.neonramp.com> On Tue, 15 Feb 2000 08:24:04 -0500 (EST), Paul Schwartzkopf wrote: > A few Nieuport questions for Matt and anyone else who might have a comment. > > 1) What type of material were the inspection panels on either side of the forward fuselage made of--aluminum, pre-formed plywood, etc.? Aluminum. > 2) I have a drawing that shows a round ammo drum mounted on the port side fuselage, between the fuselage "skin" and the framework/throttle quadrant (Vickers installation). Is this accurate? Definitely for the Nie.17bis+. I would have to look at pics/drawings for the Nie.17-. > 3) In looking at many pictures, the exterior of many aluminum-doped aircraft look smudged, similar to paint being worn off. Is this actually the dope being worn, or is it dirt? Has anyone tried to simulate this successfully on a model? I would say dirt, oil, etc. Check out Lance's photo's on the site (when it comes back up). Matt Bittner http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 16:41:42 +0800 From: "apple" To: a@mail.bxptt.ln.cn Subject: 台湾W色情图片索引 Message-ID: <200002151348.VAA22977@mail.bxptt.ln.cn> http://www.blondecity.com/applemaster/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 09:29:55 -0500 From: "Kevin Barrett" To: Subject: Voice From The Past Requesting Toko & FMP News Message-ID: <017601bf77c1$21078e40$3216f5cf@kevin> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0173_01BF7797.37EE62C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List, I've missed you guys... I have been off the WWI list for about six months (due to new job and = time considerations), but I am seeking news about what happened to Toko = and Flying Machines Press. Also, what has happened to plans for the Toko = Gotha and the FMP series on German A/C manufacturers? I'm sure you guys = have put these subjects through the ringer, but I can't find the = appropriate postings in the archive. Please respond off-list since I am = currently not subscribing. Any news or dates of appropriate archive = postings would be much appreciated. I hope to get back to WWI modeling and become a list subscriber again in = the not-too-distant future. Thanks, Kevin Barrett. kevin@pseudointeractive.com ------=_NextPart_000_0173_01BF7797.37EE62C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
List,
 
I've missed you guys...
 
I have been off the WWI list for about = six months=20 (due to new job and time considerations), but I am seeking news about = what=20 happened to Toko and Flying Machines Press. Also, what has happened = to=20 plans for the Toko Gotha and the FMP series on German A/C manufacturers? = I'm=20 sure you guys have put these subjects through the ringer, but I can't = find the=20 appropriate postings in the archive. Please respond off-list since I am=20 currently not subscribing. Any news or dates of appropriate archive = postings=20 would be much appreciated.
 
I hope to get back to WWI modeling and = become a=20 list subscriber again in the not-too-distant future.
 
Thanks,
Kevin Barrett.
 
kevin@pseudointeractive.com
------=_NextPart_000_0173_01BF7797.37EE62C0-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 09:16:21 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Nieuport 17 Message-ID: Paul asks: "1) What type of material were the inspection panels aluminum, pre-formed plywood, etc.?" Matt has said aluminum, but I believe the pictures show this to be made of wood or a material similar to a pressed composition board. Check out the detail photos of the N.21 in the 2-part Datafile Special and Windsock. "2) ...a round ammo drum mounted on the port side fuselage..." Is the ammo belt take-up reel, and was hidden within a plywood "box" and is not visible, tho the box is. Also note that the port side contours are deeper than the starboard to accommodate this feature. Eduard provides both the box and the correct fuselage profile in the kit. References are WWIAero and the original N.17 Datafile. "3) ... the dope being worn, or is it dirt? Has anyone tried to simulate this successfully on a model?" I believe it to be dirt/oil from the rotary engine, which liberally soaked the underside, and was pushed up behind the lower wing by the slipstream. Photos show it spreading out along the lower wing on both upper and lower surfaces, too. As Matt says, I tried to duplicate a very heavily-weathered machine, using washes of burnt and raw umber oils, along with black. I also stippled these colors in random patches where the pilot would track them getting into and out of the machine, using a dry-brush technique. You can judge the effect for yourself, tho the pictures are a little dark. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 11:01:13 -0500 From: nieuport To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Nieuport 17 Message-ID: <38A97849.F290DB51@home.com> > "1) What type of material were the inspection panels aluminum, pre-formed plywood, etc.?" > > Matt has said aluminum, but I believe the pictures show this to be made of wood or a material similar to a >pressed composition board. Check out the detail photos of the N.21 in the 2-part Datafile Special and >Windsock. > >From what I have been able to determine they were cut from the finished fairings to get the correct curvature and fit. The hole would then be fitted with a lip so they could be reattached. The fairings were plywood formed from narrow strips of wood, doped on the outside. -- Mike Fletcher ___ ., mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; nieuport@home.com |--n--""*" http://members.home.net/nieuport/ icq=19554083 @ http://mars.ark.com/~mdf/nieuport.html If you don't know where you're going, you're never lost. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 11:11:24 -0600 From: "Lee Mensinger" To: Kevin Barrett , wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Voice from the past Message-ID: <38A988BC.58C8790A@wireweb.net> Sir. Toko is up the tubes and sold out. FMP has quit doing books both historic and financial. A few copies of stff still available from Squadron. You missed more than the meetings on e-mail. Lee M ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 11:33:19 PST From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Display cases Message-ID: <20000215193319.26497.qmail@hotmail.com> I need to buy a display case for my models. Does anyone know of sources for these? Michael ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 14:46:03 -0500 From: Matthew Zivich To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Display cases Message-ID: <38A9ACFA.C1B6B024@svsu.edu> Try contacting Dick Blick Art Supplies, Inc. of Galesburg, IL USA Michael Kendix wrote: > I need to buy a display case for my models. Does anyone know of sources for > these? > > Michael > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 14:52:51 EST From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Display cases Message-ID: << I need to buy a display case for my models. Does anyone know of sources for these? >> Hi Michael, I guess it depends upon what you have in mind. If you are thinking of the horizontal, department store - type case, I cant help you. However, a few years ago, I bought four el cheapo china cabinet / bookcases from Walmart. They are not of the quality one might want in the living room, but I keep two of them in the guest room displaying my oldest collectable books and some models. They have glass doors to help control the dust and the contents can be viewed without the temptation to handle them. Guaranteed cat-proof, too. I think they cost about $90 Canadian apiece, and could probably be had in the US for about $50. Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 15:09:25 -0500 From: Matthew Zivich To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Voss & the Nazis Message-ID: <38A9B274.1F62F1AA@svsu.edu> While browsing in the wwi section of the local Barnes & Noble I came upon a book that mentioned that the Nazis were reluctant to erase Voss's wartime record from the books despite being Jewish because of his wwi fame. The chapter went on to mention that another well-known German-Jewish pilot however did have his record purged from Nazi records. This other pilot was not mentioned and since I was just browsing I didn't find out who he was. Anybody know? Matt Z. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 15:31:51 -0500 From: Lyle Lamboley To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Voss & the Nazis Message-ID: <20000215.153152.-118367.0.lyle.lamboley@juno.com> Matt, I referred to my copy of Over the Lines and Wilhelm Frankl is mentioned as being deleted from the list of German aces by the Nazis. He had a number of high honors, including the Pour le Merite. The number of planes he shot down between May 1915 and April 1917 was twenty, with one unconfirmed. He himself was shot down by Bristol Fighters the day after his last victory. Lyle On Tue, 15 Feb 2000 15:16:04 -0500 (EST) Matthew Zivich writes: > While browsing in the wwi section of the local Barnes & Noble I came > upon a book that mentioned that the Nazis were reluctant to erase > Voss's > wartime record from the books despite being Jewish because of his > wwi > fame. The chapter went on to mention that another well-known > German-Jewish pilot however did have his record purged from Nazi > records. This other pilot was not mentioned and since I was just > browsing I didn't find out who he was. Anybody know? > > Matt Z. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 14:58:34 -0600 From: "Bill Bacon" To: Subject: Re: Voss & the Nazis Message-ID: <000f01bf77f7$6ccd8920$413c32cf@tcac.net> I do not know if Frankl was erased from the list of aces but he was reased from yje Pour le Merite list. Since the war his name has been restored and a squadron is now named after him. The question of Voss being Jewish comes up every year or so on the list. Voss was not Jewish but Lutheran. I have a copy of his sevice record w3hich lists his religion. I guess I am on a crusade to straigvhten out the record. Cheers, Bill B. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lyle Lamboley To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 2:39 PM Subject: Re: Voss & the Nazis > Matt, > I referred to my copy of Over the Lines and Wilhelm Frankl is mentioned > as being deleted from the list of German aces by the Nazis. He had a > number of high honors, including the Pour le Merite. The number of > planes he shot down between May 1915 and April 1917 was twenty, with one > unconfirmed. He himself was shot down by Bristol Fighters the day after > his last victory. > Lyle > > On Tue, 15 Feb 2000 15:16:04 -0500 (EST) Matthew Zivich > writes: > > While browsing in the wwi section of the local Barnes & Noble I came > > upon a book that mentioned that the Nazis were reluctant to erase > > Voss's > > wartime record from the books despite being Jewish because of his > > wwi > > fame. The chapter went on to mention that another well-known > > German-Jewish pilot however did have his record purged from Nazi > > records. This other pilot was not mentioned and since I was just > > browsing I didn't find out who he was. Anybody know? > > > > Matt Z. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 20:59:57 +0000 From: Steve Cox To: Subject: Re: MoS Type AI Message-ID: FWIW- The Windsock Mini Datafile 5 on the AI shows a cockpit photo from the handbook. The little bit of the insides that show are pale compared to the floor and seat. Regards Steve =========================================== steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk http://www.oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk If I didn't spend so much time on line 媼 I'd get some models finished ================ > From: "Matthew Bittner" > Reply-To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 11:23:05 -0500 (EST) > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: MoS Type AI > > Once again, I plead. > > Anybody know the color details for the Morane-Saulnier Type AI? > Eric, any info since you're researching it for your up-coming > release? > > > Matt Bittner > http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm > http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 07:21:30 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Cc: "'kevin@pseudointeractive.com'" Subject: RE: Voice From The Past Requesting Toko & FMP News Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1D03@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Hi Kevin, > I am seeking news about what > happened to Toko = The story is that they went bust - in any case they no longer exist. The moulds for the already released aircraft are with Revell Germany. I was also told yesterday (by the Australian importer who *says* he has it direct) that three of the principals of Toko have gone elsewhere with the *unreleased* products (Gothas !) and that they intend to release them under another product line. ICM was mentioned by my contact, but he was sorta cagey about it and it may be that Toko will rise again in another less ambitious form. This may all be bull of course, but it had the ring of truth as i heard it. Time will tell. > I hope to get back to WWI modeling and become a list > subscriber again in = > the not-too-distant future. > The sooner the better. We can't go letting work get in the way of pleasure now, can we ;-) Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). 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It is amazing how stories like that can just hang on.... DZ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 16:41:36 -0500 From: Matthew Zivich To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Voss & the Nazis Message-ID: <38A9C810.FA763D39@svsu.edu> Though I do not know that much about Judaism in Germany I have read that some secular Jews were integrated into German society at the time of W.W.I, and that probably some Jewish converts could indeed be practicing Lutherans which later made no difference to the Nazi. Matt Z. Bill Bacon wrote: > I do not know if Frankl was erased from the list of aces but he was reased > from yje Pour le Merite list. Since the war his name has been restored and > a squadron is now named after him. The question of Voss being Jewish comes > up every year or so on the list. Voss was not Jewish but Lutheran. I have > a copy of his sevice record w3hich lists his religion. I guess I am on a > crusade to straigvhten out the record. > > Cheers, > > Bill B. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lyle Lamboley > To: Multiple recipients of list > Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 2:39 PM > Subject: Re: Voss & the Nazis > > > Matt, > > I referred to my copy of Over the Lines and Wilhelm Frankl is mentioned > > as being deleted from the list of German aces by the Nazis. He had a > > number of high honors, including the Pour le Merite. The number of > > planes he shot down between May 1915 and April 1917 was twenty, with one > > unconfirmed. He himself was shot down by Bristol Fighters the day after > > his last victory. > > Lyle > > > > On Tue, 15 Feb 2000 15:16:04 -0500 (EST) Matthew Zivich > > writes: > > > While browsing in the wwi section of the local Barnes & Noble I came > > > upon a book that mentioned that the Nazis were reluctant to erase > > > Voss's > > > wartime record from the books despite being Jewish because of his > > > wwi > > > fame. The chapter went on to mention that another well-known > > > German-Jewish pilot however did have his record purged from Nazi > > > records. This other pilot was not mentioned and since I was just > > > browsing I didn't find out who he was. Anybody know? > > > > > > Matt Z. > > > > > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2144 **********************