WWI Digest 2143 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: 1/48 Avro 504 and Curtiss Jenny by "Lance Krieg" 2) RE: monogram Fokker by "Peter Leonard" 3) Re: 1/48 Avro 504 and Curtiss Jenny by Albatrosdv@aol.com 4) Re: 1/48 Avro 504 and Curtiss Jenny by "Ken Acosta" 5) Re: 1/48 Avro 504 and Curtiss Jenny by a1b73869@telus.net 6) Re: 1/48 Avro 504 and Curtiss Jenny by "cameron rile" 7) Re: 1/48 Avro 504 and Curtiss Jenny by a1b73869@telus.net 8) Re: 1/48 Avro 504 and Curtiss Jenny by "Ken Acosta" 9) Re: My little gallery by KarrArt@aol.com 10) Re: 1/48 Avro 504 and Curtiss Jenny by KarrArt@aol.com 11) Re: 1/48 Avro 504 and Curtiss Jenny by "Ken Acosta" 12) Re: 1/48 Avro 504 and Curtiss Jenny by "Candice Uhlir" 13) Re: 1/48 Avro 504 and Curtiss Jenny by Albatrosdv@aol.com 14) Re: My little gallery by Albatrosdv@aol.com 15) Re: 1/48 Avro 504 and Curtiss Jenny by "Ken Acosta" 16) Re: 1/48 Avro 504 and Curtiss Jenny by "Ken Acosta" 17) RE: My little gallery by "Harris, Mack" 18) Re: 1/48 Avro 504 and Curtiss Jenny by KarrArt@aol.com 19) Smer DH2/ was: My little gallery by "Michael Kendix" 20) Re: RE: My little gallery by "Lance Krieg" 21) Re: Smer DH2/ was: My little gallery by smperry@mindspring.com 22) RE: FW: monogram Fokker by Jack Berlien 23) French finished was Rumpler "Cross" on ebay by Pedro e Francisca 24) Swabbies by "John Sharp" 25) Re:1/48 Avro 504 and Curtiss Jenny by "John Sharp" 26) Re: French finished was Rumpler "Cross" on ebay by KarrArt@aol.com 27) Re: French finished was Rumpler "Cross" on ebay by "Matthew Bittner" 28) Re: French finished was Rumpler "Cross" on ebay by KarrArt@aol.com 29) Re: MoS Type AI by ERIC HIGHT 30) Re: monogram Fokker by "DAVID BURKE" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 13:50:19 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: 1/48 Avro 504 and Curtiss Jenny Message-ID: Ken asks: "....504K? Is it worthwhile, or should I wait for Eduard to get around to one?" It could be a long wait. The existing kit looks pretty crude by today's standards, but IIRC it has the makings of a very presentable model. I'm at work at the moment, so I can't open the box and report. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 19:53:09 GMT From: "Peter Leonard" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: monogram Fokker Message-ID: <20000214195309.14974.qmail@hotmail.com> Likewise unsure if I'm talking about the right kit, but if you mean the one with red stripes around the fuselage it crops up in Anthology part 2, on an all losenge machine. Peter L ----Original Message Follows---- From: Jack Berlien Reply-To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: monogram Fokker Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 10:30:10 -0500 (EST) Hi Tom. I didn't see a comment on this yet, so, while I'm no expert, I've been educated by some of the best (they are on this list) so I'll stick my neck out and comment. I think you are talking about the kit with the LO! decal. This is the actual plane of none other than the famous ace Ernst Udet. He had several planes, some of which were painted partially red, and partially covered in lozenge fabric, and one DVII had the candy stripe. There is some debate over whether the stripes were red or black. There is a Udet fan and expert on the list, Joey Valenciano, who might want to comment on this, or I could send you a summary of the discussions. > -----Original Message----- > From: THOMAS SOLINSKI [mailto:tskio4@home.com] > Sent: Friday, February 11, 2000 4:19 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: monogram Fokker > > > Hi list time for a new thread > > I do not own a single datafile yet. Could one of you more > learned folks > give me clue as to if the candy stripe decal that comes in the old > Monogram D-VII has any historical basis or was it just Monogram > continuing the bogus of the time? > TIA > Tom S > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 15:00:52 EST From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 1/48 Avro 504 and Curtiss Jenny Message-ID: <3a.169eba8.25d9b8f4@aol.com> In a message dated 2/14/100 2:11:45 PM EST, kacosta.CORP_PO.C_CORP@colsa.com writes: << I'd love to have each of these in my 1/48 collection. Is the Smer kit of the 504 and the Lindberg kit of the Jenny the only kits of these types available? >> There is also the old Aurora Jenny - more of a kit collector's item, though. The Lindberg Jenny makes up into a nice model. The Avro 504 is more problematic, but list member Candice Uhlir made one as a reproduction of the 504 at Old Rhinebeck recently with a scratchbuilt cockpit, wings re-done, fuselage re-done, wire wheels - it is do-able, just time-consuming. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 14:14:13 -0600 From: "Ken Acosta" To: , Subject: Re: 1/48 Avro 504 and Curtiss Jenny Message-ID: Tom- Thanks for the input. I'd love to hear about the details from Candice. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 12:16:24 PST From: a1b73869@telus.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 1/48 Avro 504 and Curtiss Jenny Message-ID: <38a86298.2965.0@telus.net> The Avro 504K is a buildable model. You will have to sand the etched markings off the wings and fuselage. But hey the wings are too thick anyway so you get to kill two birds with one stone(this takes about 1 night btw). The fuselage is a bit short as I remember (I'm at work now). I would buy the datafile since there are some variances in profile and you will have to work out what you are willing to live with. You'll have scads of details to add, including everything in the cockpit. If you are only used to say later Eduard profipak then I would look elsewhere. But if you have built older models including some of the older Eduards then I dont see why after 6 months effort a fine aircraft couldnt be built/scratched. The Smer 504k is certainly a decent starting point. The price is certainly right. I'm building one, at least between bouts in the correct scale (1/72)....... Ray > >Ken asks: > >"....504K? Is it worthwhile, or should I wait for Eduard to get around to one?" > >It could be a long wait. The existing kit looks pretty crude by today's standards, but IIRC it has the makings of a very presentable model. I'm at work at the moment, so I can't open the box and report. > >Lance > > > ================================================================= Internet service provided by telus.net http://www.telus.net/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 15:29:51 -0500 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 1/48 Avro 504 and Curtiss Jenny Message-ID: <2362ED9E8F2E3D115AD20005B80A2E33@cameron.prontomail.com> >Aurora also had a 1/48 Jenny, but the Lindberg version is definitely superior, and is >still in general release. Im currently doing the Lindbergh Jenny. The week after I bought it the Lindbergh/Glencoe vendor must have come around to the local Hobby Shops as Zeppelin Hobbies had three Lindbergh Jennys the next time I looked. Someone must have been buying them as only one is left now. The Lindbergh Jenny also comes with a ready to detail OX5 engine which is good. Another possibility with the Lindbergh is the N9(?) floatplane conversion that Steve Perry did in an issue of www.internetmodeler.com . Which looks pretty amazing. cam ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail and Homepage at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 12:36:11 PST From: a1b73869@telus.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 1/48 Avro 504 and Curtiss Jenny Message-ID: <38a8673b.3f4e.0@telus.net> After reading Tom's advice it struck me, that when we ask for oppinions on models we need to give an idea of what we are willing to deal with. As in does the person build oob? Do they expect shake the box-not, being insulting here but its good to know since something like the Avro will be left on the shelf with either of the afforementioned answers. Are they or do they want to learn to be a scratch builder? or do they use a good dose of Dicta-Ira? etc. In which case the Avro is a wonderfull inexpensive starting point. I know it would help to state the above since I would hate to recomend something that ends up being a waste of money, frustration and effort. Conversly I would hate to recomend a different model (in the Avros case this is moot) with a person who was everybit capable of turning silver from dirt and enjoys doing so. Lets see what those remarks cause? ;) Ray >In a message dated 2/14/100 2:11:45 PM EST, kacosta.CORP_PO.C_CORP@colsa.com >writes: > ><< I'd love to have each of these in my 1/48 collection. Is the Smer kit of >the 504 and the Lindberg kit of the Jenny the only kits of these types >available? > >> > >There is also the old Aurora Jenny - more of a kit collector's item, though. >The Lindberg Jenny makes up into a nice model. > >The Avro 504 is more problematic, but list member Candice Uhlir made one as a >reproduction of the 504 at Old Rhinebeck recently with a scratchbuilt >cockpit, wings re-done, fuselage re-done, wire wheels - it is do-able, just >time-consuming. > >Tom Cleaver > > ================================================================= Internet service provided by telus.net http://www.telus.net/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 14:41:36 -0600 From: "Ken Acosta" To: Subject: Re: 1/48 Avro 504 and Curtiss Jenny Message-ID: Ray- Thanks for the response. I've got several decent jet and WWII models to my credit, but I've never built anything from WWI. I'll probably wait a while before I try the Smer 504. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 15:45:33 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: My little gallery Message-ID: In a message dated 2/14/00 1:48:45 AM Pacific Standard Time, witulski@bgamld.bg.am.lodz.pl writes: << Hi There are some of my OT kits. http://www.modelarstwo.kk.opole.pl/galerie/kozakiewicz/wwi.html Quality of photos isn't very good, but it was my first adventure with taking pictures of models. >> I enjoyed looking at your pictures! Neat work. RK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 15:45:31 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 1/48 Avro 504 and Curtiss Jenny Message-ID: <27.1ccb2cb.25d9c36b@aol.com> In a message dated 2/14/00 11:43:44 AM Pacific Standard Time, kacosta.CORP_PO.C_CORP@colsa.com writes: << Lance- Thanks for the response. I've heard that the Lindberg Jenny can be made into a pretty decent model. Do you know anything about the Smer/Artiplast/Merit 504K? Is it worthwhile, or should I wait for Eduard to get around to one? Ken >> The Jenny a good enough kit to inspire one to really do a big time go-for-broke. The wings are grooved to take the tied together strut pairs, and this needs to be dealt with, but other than this, all that's needed is a little cockpit dressing to make it look like one of today's state of the art kits. BUT, it is such a nice wad of plastic to begin with, that it's really worth it to go all out and super detail the thing. Shucks- hike on over and take a look at mine at: http://members.aol.com/karrart/htmdoc/jenfea.htm RK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 14:45:45 -0600 From: "Ken Acosta" To: , Subject: Re: 1/48 Avro 504 and Curtiss Jenny Message-ID: Ray- Great point. In my case, I love a good modeling challenge and some creative scratchbuilding doesn't scare me. Nothing wrong with "shake-the-box" kits, but I'm interested in stretching my skills when I can. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 20:53:21 GMT From: "Candice Uhlir" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 1/48 Avro 504 and Curtiss Jenny Message-ID: <20000214205321.84161.qmail@hotmail.com> Hi Guys, Here's the Candice two cents on the SMER 504K. I just finished mine up last week and it was a lot of work...but it turned out to be a pretty nice model. Here's what I had to do. 1) Datafile...essential..the basic kit is just that..basic. 2) Sand all the wingw smooth to remove those awful decal etchings....this goes for the fuselage also. 3) To put the wing ribbing back on I used Robert Karr's method of 1/64" tape masked ribbing with paint or mister surfacer. 4) I took all the detail off the fuselage....it was easier in the long run. I used .006 wire into little trenches along the fuselage to get the longeron effect. I also used Archer fine transfer to get my stiching restored on the fuselage and for new detail on the underside. 5) Had to scratchbuild the entire cockpit. 6) Replaced all struts and cabanes with bamboo. 7) Replaced the engine with an Aeroclub LeRhone. A nice thing about this aircraft is that it took almost any kind of engine. ALso used the aeroclub prop. Once I get around to putting film in my camera I'll take some shots of my finished product. All in all it took me about 2 months to complete at about 10 to 15 hours per week. Candice >From: "cameron rile" >Reply-To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: 1/48 Avro 504 and Curtiss Jenny >Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 15:35:10 -0500 (EST) > > >Aurora also had a 1/48 Jenny, but the Lindberg version is definitely >superior, and is > >still in general release. > >Im currently doing the Lindbergh Jenny. The week after I bought it the >Lindbergh/Glencoe >vendor must have come around to the local Hobby Shops as Zeppelin Hobbies >had three >Lindbergh Jennys the next time I looked. Someone must have been buying >them as only >one is left now. > >The Lindbergh Jenny also comes with a ready to detail OX5 engine which is >good. Another >possibility with the Lindbergh is the N9(?) floatplane conversion that >Steve Perry did in >an issue of www.internetmodeler.com . Which looks pretty amazing. > > > > > >cam > >______________________________________________________________ >Get Your Free E-mail and Homepage at http://www.prontomail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 15:55:00 EST From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 1/48 Avro 504 and Curtiss Jenny Message-ID: <47.1686518.25d9c5a4@aol.com> In a message dated 2/14/100 3:37:40 PM EST, a1b73869@telus.net writes: << Lets see what those remarks cause? ;) >> Excellent points, Ray. Very too the point of the purpose of this list. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 15:57:27 EST From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: My little gallery Message-ID: <11.11e1793.25d9c637@aol.com> In a message dated 2/14/100 3:46:49 PM EST, KarrArt@aol.com writes: << << Hi There are some of my OT kits. http://www.modelarstwo.kk.opole.pl/galerie/kozakiewicz/wwi.html Quality of photos isn't very good, but it was my first adventure with taking pictures of models. >> >> Withold: Thank you ever so much for inspiring me to sit down and *finish* the Berg. I take it those are kit hex decals? Geez, they actually look good, and I wasn't sure they would be. Thanks again! Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 14:58:53 -0600 From: "Ken Acosta" To: , Subject: Re: 1/48 Avro 504 and Curtiss Jenny Message-ID: Robert- Very nice job! I've bought and built several kits motivated solely by features like yours. Thanks- Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 15:01:37 -0600 From: "Ken Acosta" To: , Subject: Re: 1/48 Avro 504 and Curtiss Jenny Message-ID: Candice- Great tips. Maybe after I get a couple of mainstream WWI kits under my belt.... Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 15:32:02 -0600 From: "Harris, Mack" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: My little gallery Message-ID: Witold, great models! I've been thinking about buying the Smer DH2, has anyone built a decent DH2 from this kit, is it possible? Just wondering Mack -----Original Message----- From: Witold Kozakiewicz [mailto:witulski@bgamld.bg.am.lodz.pl] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 6:13 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: My little gallery All except Aviatik are Eduard's 1/48. And about Stec's E.V. I check it in my references, but we rather used E.V than D.VIII. There was something in those markings. It was marked E.V and number (i don't remember it but can check). And probably mistake in national markings on the wing, They rather should be wrapped around the wing and without outline, later this fokker was repainted all dark green and with this style of chess-board, but i'm not sure about this. -- Witold Kozakiewicz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 16:52:41 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 1/48 Avro 504 and Curtiss Jenny Message-ID: <6.22ac983.25d9d329@aol.com> In a message dated 2/14/00 1:03:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, kacosta.CORP_PO.C_CORP@colsa.com writes: << Robert- Very nice job! I've bought and built several kits motivated solely by features like yours. Thanks- Ken >> Thank you! RK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 14:08:09 PST From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Smer DH2/ was: My little gallery Message-ID: <20000214220809.13847.qmail@hotmail.com> >From: "Harris, Mack" > >I've been thinking about buying the Smer DH2, has anyone built a >decent >DH2 from this kit, is it possible? Mack: Look at Steve Perry's page at http://www.freeyellow.com/members8/wwimodeler/ and go to the DH2 link for a description of how he did it. Also, go to the gallery for pictures of the DH2 and other remarkable things. Michael ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 16:11:58 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: RE: My little gallery Message-ID: Mack asks: "I've been thinking about buying the Smer DH2, has anyone built a decent DH2 from this kit, is it possible?" Steve Perry did, and it's on his website. The Blue Max version is probably a little less work. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 17:38:05 -0500 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: Smer DH2/ was: My little gallery Message-ID: <003f01bf773c$29821fc0$040256d1@default> Mack: As Michael and Lance mentioned, I did build a Smer DH-2. Afraid not much of the Smer kit survived the process though. About 2/3 f the outer wing panels, (the other third was sanded away), the two nacelle halves the engine case & cyls, ammo drums, wheels, bits of axle & tailskid and the fin & rudder. The Datafile has excellent detail photos & drawings. A must for any DH-2 kit in any scale. This kit is a real fixer upper. You can have a great time making a DH-2 out of it, but the key word is time, with liberal doses of effort thrown in. If you can get the Blue Max kit at a reasonable price, you will avoid a lot of work. Chris Gannon of Blue Max did say that the DH-2 is low in stock, so you better hurry id you want one direct. sp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 16:44:26 -0600 From: Jack Berlien To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: FW: monogram Fokker Message-ID: Sorry! My brain was on the wrong track... I was thinking Revell for some reason. Retract my message... I'll go back into my hole now. Best regards, Jack > -----Original Message----- > From: THOMAS SOLINSKI [mailto:tskio4@home.com] > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 8:27 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: FW: monogram Fokker > > > Hello Jack thanks for the first reply. > > > so I'll stick my neck out and comment. > > However, OFF WITH HIS HEAD!!!! > > > I think you are talking about the kit with the LO! decal. > > Nope. The only issue of the reworked Aurora dies in the > Monogram white box > had two sets of decals. The first was close to being von > Hantelmann's > airplane (at least according to my Profile) but in a spirit > of inaccuracy > Monogram chose to put the scull and cross bones of this > airplane on one > with Bertholds blue wing and white stripe. Monogram didn't > even mention > that lozenge was a possibility. > > The other set of marking are a green winged, gray fuselage > airplane with 8 > pairs of narrow red and white stripes running around the > fuselage and for > and aft on the upper wing center section. These are the > markings that I > was wondering if they had any roots in reality. > > Thanks for sticking your neck out, the old chopper needed the > exercise :-) > Tom S > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 21:44:19 +0000 From: Pedro e Francisca To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: French finished was Rumpler "Cross" on ebay Message-ID: <38A87733.AFB2113D@mail.telepac.pt> Matthew Bittner wrote: > > > This is exactly what he did with Project Butterfly that ran in > the original C&C. Unfortunately long out of print, but if you > can get your hands on copies, and enjoy learning about French > colors and dopes (careful out there...) this is not to be missed. > > Matt Bittner > Guys, On the subject of French Colours please take a look at the SPAD XIII pictures in Matt's site. http://home.sprintmail.com/~tbittners/ What do you think of it? If the colours are correct then the aluminium effect would show even in 1/72nd as I remember Ian Huntley advocated (IIRC he would state a mix of 20% alu to the basic shade) Could it be that there were 2 types of paint, one with alu and the other without it? (This would explain the differences between the finish of this aircraft and the Museum's Breguet XIV for instance, where no trace of metal on the colours is apparent, therefore giving quite a different appearance to the aircraft). Let me hear what you make of it guys. TIA Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 23:32:09 -0000 From: "John Sharp" To: Subject: Swabbies Message-ID: <007b01bf7743$c6bf4040$ed2517d4@js1> ... and if you decide to do a sheet for the 1:28 Revell Eric, put me down for a set! John Sharp For more details see http://www.bigfoot.com/~AcesModels http://www.merseyworld.com/mcc http://members.tripod.co.uk/John_Sharp/SOHome.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 23:42:10 -0000 From: "John Sharp" To: Subject: Re:1/48 Avro 504 and Curtiss Jenny Message-ID: <008501bf7745$29882420$ed2517d4@js1> Can't speak on the Curtis Jenny, but I've been working on a Smer 504K for some time off and on, its not too much work to turn it into something half decent. BTW - we had them here at the famed Hooton aerodrome that you may recall GM was trying to demolish. Well the good news is that GM have handed the hangers over to the Museum for preservation - all we need now is some money and a couple of 504s to fly out! John Sharp For more details see http://www.bigfoot.com/~AcesModels http://www.merseyworld.com/mcc http://members.tripod.co.uk/John_Sharp/SOHome.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 18:31:29 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: French finished was Rumpler "Cross" on ebay Message-ID: <69.1284893.25d9ea51@aol.com> In a message dated 2/14/00 3:18:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, pnsoares@mail.telepac.pt writes: << If the colours are correct then the aluminium effect would show even in 1/72nd as I remember Ian Huntley advocated (IIRC he would state a mix of 20% alu to the basic shade) Could it be that there were 2 types of paint, one with alu and the other without it? (This would explain the differences between the finish of this aircraft and the Museum's Breguet XIV for instance, where no trace of metal on the colours is apparent, therefore giving quite a different appearance to the aircraft). Let me hear what you make of it guys. TIA Pedro >> IIRC, yes- two different substances. The stuff with aluminum powder added was for fabric areas- used to make the color more opaque and to lessen the effects of light rot. These same colors, but without aluminum, were blended in an enamel paint for use on metal areas. The noticable difference in appearance from fabric and metal wasn't just the texure of the underlying surface- the actual makeup of the coatings differed. Project Butterfly, various bits by Huntley, and scattered items in Windsock and WW I Aero have mentioned this. RK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 17:33:34 -0600 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: French finished was Rumpler "Cross" on ebay Message-ID: <200002142336.PAA15277@magpie.a001.sprintmail.com> On Mon, 14 Feb 2000 18:21:32 -0500 (EST), Pedro e Francisca wrote: > What do you think of it? If the colours are correct then the aluminium effect > would show even in 1/72nd as I remember Ian Huntley advocated (IIRC he would state > a mix of 20% alu to the basic shade) Could it be that there were 2 types of paint, > one with alu and the other without it? (This would explain the differences between > the finish of this aircraft and the Museum's Breguet XIV for instance, where no > trace of metal on the colours is apparent, therefore giving quite a different > appearance to the aircraft). There were two types - one with aluminum powder, one without. However, the paint with aluminum powder was used on the fabric only. According to Project Butterfly, the effects of the aluminum versus the sans-aluminum is negligible. I wonder about the photos' you sent, though. A bad recovering? Hmmm... Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 19:19:43 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: French finished was Rumpler "Cross" on ebay Message-ID: <19.1261e55.25d9f59f@aol.com> In a message dated 2/14/00 3:38:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, tbittners@sprintmail.com writes: << According to Project Butterfly, the effects of the aluminum versus the sans-aluminum is negligible. I wonder about the photos' you sent, though. A bad recovering? Hmmm... Matt Bittner >> I wonder- it seems like the effect is very noticable in some period photos. RK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 18:00:43 -0700 From: ERIC HIGHT To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: MoS Type AI Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20000214180043.009540b4@pop.amug.org> matt, sorry can't help you on that. eric john, it's a possibility in the future. i'll keep you in mind. thanks eric At 02:37 PM 2/14/00 -0500, you wrote: >On Mon, 14 Feb 2000 14:32:03 -0500 (EST), ERIC HIGHT wrote: > >> i luv it when you beg!! remember these colors are in the wrong scale for >> you but i hope this helps. > >Thanks, but I knew the exterior colors. I want the interior >colors - cockpit sides, metal framework, etc. > >See my French site for Polly Scale matches to French five color. > > >Matt Bittner >http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm >http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 20:07:53 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: monogram Fokker Message-ID: <00a701bf7759$9ceaee20$4d90aec7@dora9sprynet.com> Hey All, I tried to figure out the markings of the Monogram kit: it's better to just get a decal sheet from somewhere and do it like one of the ones in the decals. On the Monogram kit's detail, may I say that I like its fuselage detail more so than DML's (in the TRUE scale, y'all - where you may be able to count the hairs on the pilot's arm, and he ain't likely to stand more than 1 1/2 inches high too...) - in that the fuselage looks fabric covering a tube frame than the plywood effect on the DML one. I am agreeing that in a couple of areas it is excessive, but I like the effect more. The lack of lozenge in the Monogram kit is offset by the inclusion of lozenge (topside only) in the 1/28 Revell kit - some interesting colors there, chief! At the time of manufacture of the decal sheets, all of the necessary day-glo pigments that Revell would have needed to do their brilliant interperetation to do the underside lozenge for it were being sold exclusively to Elizabeth Taylor, Lucille Ball, and Tammy Faye Bakker for life-preserving cosmetic injections. So that's why I think they didn't include it in the kit - plus the colors would have been so bright and vivid, they would have burned their way thru the box in a fortnight, so that's marketing genius for ya..... DB -----Original Message----- From: Peter Leonard To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Monday, February 14, 2000 1:56 PM Subject: RE: monogram Fokker >Likewise unsure if I'm talking about the right kit, but if you mean the one >with red stripes around the fuselage it crops up in Anthology part 2, on an >all losenge machine. > >Peter L > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: Jack Berlien >Reply-To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: RE: monogram Fokker >Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 10:30:10 -0500 (EST) > >Hi Tom. I didn't see a comment on this yet, so, while >I'm no expert, I've been educated by some of the best >(they are on this list) so I'll stick my neck out and >comment. > >I think you are talking about the kit with the LO! decal. >This is the actual plane of none other than the famous ace >Ernst Udet. He had several planes, some of which were painted >partially red, and partially covered in lozenge fabric, and one >DVII had the candy stripe. There is some debate over whether the >stripes were red or black. There is a Udet fan and expert on the list, >Joey Valenciano, who might want >to comment on this, or I could send you a summary of the >discussions. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: THOMAS SOLINSKI [mailto:tskio4@home.com] > > Sent: Friday, February 11, 2000 4:19 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: monogram Fokker > > > > > > Hi list time for a new thread > > > > I do not own a single datafile yet. Could one of you more > > learned folks > > give me clue as to if the candy stripe decal that comes in the old > > Monogram D-VII has any historical basis or was it just Monogram > > continuing the bogus of the time? > > TIA > > Tom S > > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2143 **********************