WWI Digest 2137 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Ernie's ot Bipe by KarrArt@aol.com 2) Re: Master Club 1/48 Sikorsky S-16 by Zulis@aol.com 3) Re: Kits of Italian WW1 aeroplanes - the list by "Len Smith" 4) Re: Off-topic SPAD 7 & 13 by Witold Kozakiewicz 5) Re: Off-topic SPAD 7 & 13 by Witold Kozakiewicz 6) Re: translations by Witold Kozakiewicz 7) Re: translations by "Bob Pearson" 8) Kit Prices: Master Club 1/48 Sikorsky S-16 by "Sandy Adam" 9) What's next???? WAS: Master Club 1/48 Sikorsky S-16 by "dfernet0" 10) Re: Kit Prices: Master Club 1/48 Sikorsky S-16 by smperry@mindspring.com 11) Re: Ernie's ot Bipe by "Matthew Bittner" 12) Re: Kits of Italian WW1 aeroplanes - the list by "Matthew Bittner" 13) Re: Kits of Italian WW1 aeroplanes - the list by Lubos.Vinar@ahold.cz 14) HR Fiat 5b by "Alberto Casirati" 15) Re: HR Fiat 5b by Lubos.Vinar@ahold.cz 16) Re: Ernie's ot Bipe by Mark Shannon 17) Re: Listserve commands? by Allan Wright 18) Copper State Sopwith Strutter by "Ken Acosta" 19) Re: Farman HF30 and Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter by Kari Lumppio 20) Re: Master Club 1/48 Sikorsky S-16 by "Lance Krieg" 21) Eesti soomusmasinad 1918-1940 by Kari Lumppio 22) Re: Master Club 1/48 Sikorsky S-16 by "Matthew Bittner" 23) SPAD book on ebay by "Matthew Bittner" 24) Re: Master Club 1/48 Sikorsky S-16 by "DAVID BURKE" 25) Re: Copper State Sopwith Strutter by "DAVID BURKE" 26) Re: Kit Prices: Master Club 1/48 Sikorsky S-16 by "DAVID BURKE" 27) Re: Master Club 1/48 Sikorsky S-16 by "Lance Krieg" 28) Re: Copper State Sopwith Strutter by smperry@mindspring.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 23:54:17 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Ernie's ot Bipe Message-ID: In a message dated 2/10/00 8:00:58 PM Pacific Standard Time, smperry@mindspring.com writes: << Ernie sent me photos of his Pitts Special with decals done on an Alps printer by Mike Franklin, I believe. Check the URL below sp http://smperry.home.mindspring.com/sitepics.htm >> Jeez Ern....it's the Pitts (sorry- somebody had to say it). You need treatment......and Mike- nice decals you whipped up there! RK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 01:15:57 EST From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Master Club 1/48 Sikorsky S-16 Message-ID: Thank you, Eric, for the very instructive post on how the resin business works. I had no idea about most of this stuff. I recently also had the pleasure of meeting "Cyg" from Paschendale and he talked about the complex issues that he is dealing with to get his product out. This all reminds me of my dad, who is an excellent amateur silversmith. He makes beautiful jewelry for my mom (in his spare time) and each piece takes him about six months. There is no way on earth that he could possibly do this commercially - he couldnt possibly charge anyone the true value of the work he puts into it. The economics of the thing dictate that the world will never see a lot of fabulous creations which he might otherwise have made. Sound familiar? Dave Z nb: all-red SPAD VII flown by the Bolsheviks (relax, it aint a triplane) nu: Emhar Anatra ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 07:42:36 -0000 From: "Len Smith" To: Subject: Re: Kits of Italian WW1 aeroplanes - the list Message-ID: <003c01bf7463$aef5ec80$344f08c3@mesh> Alberto, A few more to add to your list. Ansaldo Baby Joystick vac. SVA10 RVHP resin. Caproni Pensuti Triplane Classic Plane resin. Macchi M7 Scaleplanes vac. Savoia Pomillio Type 2 Formaplane vac. lensmith@clara.net http://home.clara.net/lensmith ----- Original Message ----- From: Alberto Casirati To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 5:59 PM Subject: Kits of Italian WW1 aeroplanes - the list > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BF73F8.42D1E9C0 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Hello all ! > I am trying to compile a list of all of the above named kits in 1/72nd = > scale.=20 > I am interested in currently available and unavailable kits. > So far, I have been able to trace the following kits: > > Vacuum - formed kits > - Savoia Pomilio S.P.3 (Formaplane) > - SVA 5 (Formaplane) > - SVA 5 (Airframe) > - Pomilio PE (Libramodels) > - SAML S.2 (Joystick) > - Ansaldo A-1 (Joystick) > - Fiat 5b (Blue Rider) > - Macchi Parasol (Earlybirds) > > Injection - moulded and short run kits > - Caproni Ca. 3 (Meikraft) > - SVA 5 (Pegasus Models) > > I am taking the liberty of asking for your help: is there any kit = > (available or unavailable) I am not aware of ? > > Thanks very much in advance to you all. > > All the very best, ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 09:10:38 +0100 From: Witold Kozakiewicz To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Off-topic SPAD 7 & 13 Message-ID: <38A3C3FE.3AB06910@bgamld.bg.am.lodz.pl> I've looked to my books. Only one operational SPAD unit was 19 Eskadra Mysliwska (fighter sqn) It probably used ex-USAS planes. In one book I found information about visit our shopping commission in USAS base in Germany but International Commission didn't let us buy this planes. But some of them were in our services - smuggled? This sqn was fighting against Sapoznikov's unit He even shot down one of our plane in his black star marked Snipe. And about Kosciuszko Sqn markings. It's very complicated sign. Look at 111 Squadron http://www.waw.pdi.net/~robertp/history/sept39/emblems.html. An in this form it was used from the beginning (7 Eskadra) to the end (303 Sqn in UK). Only decals I've found was in old Hurricane 1/72 (revel or airfix - i don't remember), Broplan's vacu of PZL P-7a and P-11a 1/48 (which I will use on 1/24 Hurricane 303 Sqn. Battle of Britain). Witold Kozakiewicz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 09:41:58 +0100 From: Witold Kozakiewicz To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Off-topic SPAD 7 & 13 Message-ID: <38A3CB56.F8D19125@bgamld.bg.am.lodz.pl> Witold Kozakiewicz napisa³(a): > Only decals I've found was in old Hurricane 1/72 (revel > or airfix - i don't remember), Broplan's vacu of PZL P-7a and P-11a 1/48 > (which I will use on 1/24 Hurricane 303 Sqn. Battle of Britain). (sorry sent to quick) And of course in HitKit models, techmod decals for spitfire, and old revell's P-11. The simplest way to get them is to print or hand paint Regards -- Witold Kozakiewicz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 10:24:35 +0100 From: Witold Kozakiewicz To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: translations Message-ID: <38A3D553.9C32B2C2@bgamld.bg.am.lodz.pl> THOMAS SOLINSKI napisa³(a): > > Bob > Any southsideneighbor hood in Chicago or Detroit :-) > Tom SolinSKI > My roots are firmly off the boat! > Actuall if its not too much, you might ask Witold his english is alot better > than my Polish! > Thanks Thomas. Of course Bob. If I can help. I'll try to look around for any on-line translator. I have only english-polish translators, http://galaxy.uci.agh.edu.pl/~polak/slownik/ and http://akson.sgh.waw.pl/~anthon/slownik.html You can try polish search engines - http://www.wp.pl, http://www.altavista.pl/, http://info.icm.edu.pl/ ant try to look for slownik polsko-angielski, or s(Alt+l)ownik polsko-angielski. Maybe you find something. -- Witold Kozakiewicz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 01:38:39 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: translations Message-ID: <200002110943.BAA11088@mail.rapidnet.net> Witold (and others), Many thanks for all your suggestions. There is a fair amount of material in the books, I don't wish to impose on anyone else at present, so I shall try the suggestions below. Bob ---------- > Thanks Thomas. > Of course Bob. If I can help. > I'll try to look around for any on-line translator. > I have only english-polish translators, > http://galaxy.uci.agh.edu.pl/~polak/slownik/ and > http://akson.sgh.waw.pl/~anthon/slownik.html > You can try polish search engines - http://www.wp.pl, > http://www.altavista.pl/, http://info.icm.edu.pl/ ant try to look for > slownik polsko-angielski, or s(Alt+l)ownik polsko-angielski. Maybe you > find something. > > -- > Witold Kozakiewicz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 10:13:15 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: "AAA - WW1 Group" Subject: Kit Prices: Master Club 1/48 Sikorsky S-16 Message-ID: <000d01bf7478$b6076a20$0be8b094@sandyada> > My best seller was the M1C, which sold something over 160 kits. This was just a > very basic resin kit with off the shelf Aeroclub white metal which sold for £20 ($35 > ish). It did not make a profit. At twice the price it would have, provided of course it > had sold in the same numbers. IMHO, Peter - your sales problem was not price but availability and distribution. I wanted to see the model and then probably buy it - The price was spot-on. I bought the SPIN M1C for this sort of price. When I saw your Dolphin kit and Nie conversion, I immediately bought them. Aeroclub and Blue Max have the price and the distribution solved and survive. I feel bad about CSM because the kits are terrific and Eric is a good guy (and one of us!) and I want to buy from him - but I just cannot justify 75 bucks for an SE5 - even during the sale reduction. If it was 35-40 bucks I'd have bought one long ago. I wonder how many have actually sold at full price. (More than 5?) I completely accept the amount of work that goes into something like this, but I suggest the manufacturer needs to do the market research first. I should imagine it's much the same work to produce the LVG as the SE5 and I think the market will support a high price for a big be-lozenged two-seater much more readily than a small obscure brown scout! Eric's HB12 is extremely expensive at 99 dollars but it's a beautiful kit of a great subject and I'll bet he's sold a lot more of them than the SE. I rapidly paid my sterling equivalent for this. If I were making resins, I wouldn't contemplate a scout unless I could bring it to market for 20 quid-40 dollars. The major planning would be how to distribute the number of kits needed to make a profit at that sales price. Of course we are all using the answer right now - the Internet. Most of the cottage industries may be there for love of the subject rather than to make money, but I assume most would like to maybe actually make a profit. Sorry about the rant, but I'm a salesman and think manufacturers need to sort out getting the product in front of the customer, at the right price, before starting to fill the warehouse (garage?) with unsold dreams. Sandy - my tuppence (or at short-run prices, 5 pounds,) worth ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 07:20:58 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: What's next???? WAS: Master Club 1/48 Sikorsky S-16 Message-ID: <00a501bf7479$b05839a0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Lance! Thanks for the info about the site and prices. The Sikorsky certainly looks like an amazing kit to work with, but when I read the price tag for a 1/72 scale kit my eyes popped out of sockets... Now that my facial integrity is restored, I can say to myself that I'd better practice on how to scratchbuild it... And Robert K. said about the wheels: > Now THIS may be the innovation of the century. This left me thinking on which innovations the future will bring to our hobby. Injection molded kits haven't changed to much in their basic form in the last 40 years. I know that Molds and details are better, plastics, resins, vacs, photoetched, white metal, but what's next? Here's my predicitions for the future: - Pre-cut vac parts for some items (as fuselages with scale thickness walls). - Pre-cut injection molded parts (as wings or tail surfaces). - Merging of the aftermarket parts industries with the kit manufacturers: For instance, you go to the hobby shop and say "I want an Albatros" and the clerk will ask you the particulars of what you want and you'll have decals, engine, rudder and anything else so you'll have a model "ą la carte". - Complete interiors, I mean ALL the innards! (control wires, fuselage structure) - Much bigger prices! So do you have any more predictions (or wishes?) D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 06:14:22 -0500 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: Kit Prices: Master Club 1/48 Sikorsky S-16 Message-ID: <002901bf7481$268ad860$1c0356d1@default> Some great info and insight from Eric & Peter. The nearly complete absence of good WWI kits a few years ago, made it almost a guarantee that a reasonable model of an otherwise impossible to find subject would sell most of the 100 to 1500 copies made by a small manufacturer. There are quite a few more reasonably buildable WWI kits available these days and here Rio's Budget to Interest ratio comes into play. The price is driven by the cost factors explained by Eric & Peter and will never be as low on a unit price basis as an injection kit. The only way to tip the Budget to interest ratio toward the profitable (or break even) side of the ledger is to pump up the interest side. Quality kits of unusual and challenging subjects will fare better in the economic realities of the business than quality kits costing many times as much as commonly available and reasonably buildable kits of the same subject. Add to the B:I ratio the factor of availability and the challenges facing the cottage industry kit producer come into focus. A challenging, quality kit of an obsure and interesting subject may mash my "I want one" button, but if I can't easily obtain it, I may delay or forgo the pleasure of ownership. Chris Gannon addresses that issue with free postage for direct orders. Eric has replaced a slow cumbersome web site with a faster, easier to look around one (great work Dave). When one of us non-millionare modelers gets a windfall that can be spent on a kit normally outside our budget, ease of ordering and paying will often be the deciding in which "wannabuild" will be purchased. My hat is off to all the modeler/manufacturers out there who have produced and offered WWI kits. You deal with a picky, outspoken crowd who would dearly love to get something for nothing ( many will complain loudly when they don't), yet you risk your capital to offer us kits that provide hours of enjoyment and satisfacion. The hobby would not be at the level it is without your efforts. sp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 05:12:31 -0600 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Ernie's ot Bipe Message-ID: <200002111115.DAA17809@magpie.a001.sprintmail.com> On Thu, 10 Feb 2000 23:01:57 -0500 (EST), smperry@mindspring.com wrote: > Ernie sent me photos of his Pitts Special with decals done on an Alps > printer by Mike Franklin, I believe. Check the URL below Excellent job, E! Glad to see you build in the Master Scale! And for all those complaining about size, my GAZ "jeep" that's on this month's IM is smaller than this! The Pitts is a great size - big, for people who are all thumbs. :-) Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 05:13:24 -0600 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Kits of Italian WW1 aeroplanes - the list Message-ID: <200002111116.DAA18053@magpie.a001.sprintmail.com> On Fri, 11 Feb 2000 02:46:39 -0500 (EST), Len Smith wrote: > Caproni Pensuti Triplane Classic Plane resin. This also done by Rosemont in resin. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 12:53:41 +0100 From: Lubos.Vinar@ahold.cz To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Kits of Italian WW1 aeroplanes - the list Message-ID: <41256882.00415F45.00@eurcomm1.ahold.cz> Hi, Alberto RVHP made resin Ansaldo SVA.10. Lubos Vinar ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 13:55:22 +0100 From: "Alberto Casirati" To: Subject: HR Fiat 5b Message-ID: <000801bf748f$42b3fae0$320106c0@acasirat> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BF7497.A3A75740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Exploring the VAMP site, I noticed that HR released a resin kit of the = Fiat 5b (Italian license-built version of the MF11). Does anyone saw = this kit ? I suspect it is a copy of the Blue Rider vac.=20 Thanks in advance, and thanks to all those who took the trouble of = answering to my previous message, dealing with the list of Italian WW1 = aeroplane kits in 1/72nd scale. All the best, Alberto Casirati. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BF7497.A3A75740 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Exploring the VAMP site, I noticed that = HR released a=20 resin kit of the Fiat 5b (Italian license-built version of the MF11). = Does=20 anyone saw this kit ? I suspect it is a copy of the Blue Rider vac.=20
Thanks in advance, and thanks to all those who took = the=20 trouble of answering to my previous message, dealing with the list of = Italian=20 WW1 aeroplane kits in 1/72nd scale.
All the best,
Alberto Casirati.
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BF7497.A3A75740-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 14:21:48 +0100 From: Lubos.Vinar@ahold.cz To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: HR Fiat 5b Message-ID: <41256882.004963E5.00@eurcomm1.ahold.cz> I was see master copy of this model. This is a new model, very nice, clear. Model will be contain a large PE sheet and nice decal sheet. However still isn» available. >> "Alberto Casirati" na 11.02.2000 14:00:33 Exploring the VAMP site, I noticed that HR released a resin kit of the = Fiat 5b (Italian license-built version of the MF11). Does anyone saw = this kit ? I suspect it is a copy of the Blue Rider vac.=20 Thanks in advance, and thanks to all those who took the trouble of = answering to my previous message, dealing with the list of Italian WW1 = aeroplane kits in 1/72nd scale. All the best, Alberto Casirati. << ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 07:23:15 -0600 From: Mark Shannon To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Ernie's ot Bipe Message-ID: Steve Perry Wrote: >Ernie sent me photos of his Pitts Special with decals done on an Alps >printer by Mike Franklin, I believe. Check the URL below >sp >http://smperry.home.mindspring.com/sitepics.htm To which I say: Well, since it is bigger than a quarter, it's too big to count as miniscule. Tiny, maybe. Ernie, do you use a binocular disecting microscope to build these? Excellent work. .Mark. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 09:04:47 -0500 (EST) From: Allan Wright To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Listserve commands? Message-ID: <200002111404.JAA02849@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Or send the following message to the address: wwi-request@pease1.sr.unh.edu help end -Al > > In a message dated 00-02-10 18:22:16 EST, you write: > > << How do I get a list of commands for this email list? >> > > Jess, you can find the important ones in a FAQ on the web page where you > signed up for the list. I tried to access the web site a couple of hours > ago and it was down, but that is extremely rare and you should have no > problem finding what you need there shortly. > > The url is: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/ > > Dave Z > > =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | "Without love, life's just a long fight" - SSJ University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 09:18:46 -0600 From: "Ken Acosta" To: Subject: Copper State Sopwith Strutter Message-ID: All- Not new to modeling but new to WWI. I'm interested in finding a good 1/48 Sopwith Strutter and the only one I know of is the one from Copper State. It looks great on their web site and I enjoy mixed media. Is there anyone out there who has built this kit and could share some insight (accuracy, assembly, etc.)? Thanks for your help. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 17:37:21 +0200 From: Kari Lumppio To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Farman HF30 and Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20000211153721.0070f1f4@frame.hut.fi> Hi Robert and others! > < about Russian one? I have heard about "Mamatov's laquer" (may be spelled > differently in English) but don't know what color it is......... >Finnish Air Force Camouflage and Markings by Keskinen, Stenman and Niska (the >recent nice hardback!) has this to say about a particular Nieuport "the >fuselage (is)light brown Marmantov laquer". Thanks for the reminder. >I guess "light brown" could mean >many things, but at least it's probably not pink or light green! >Robert K. (RK) Therein lies the problem. The FinnAF Nieuports have also been discribed as light (greenish) grey. It might have been the color plywood takes when exposed in elements (and meant the Marmantov's laquer would have been colorless if it was used). Light brown is good and logical guess. I was looking confirmation because AFAIK Keskinen et al had no physical evidence of the color. My other main question still remains without answer (Did Farman HF30 have instrument panel?). Does anyone here have the book "Farman F40 1916-1919 Corpul Roman de Aviatie" by Serban Ionescu (see Internet Modeler Nov 99 for review)? Has the book anything on interior details? And about the Keskinen et al FinnAF camo and markings book. It is considered here somewhat limbo. The authors could have made a vastly superior book if they just wanted. Now it seems they put whatever happened to laying on desk into the book. If one is going to make FinnAF Morane 406 or Fiat G.50 I suggest checking French references too for the former and for the latter type do remeber there was life before "Tavola 10". Kari BTW Robert, voted your 1/32 Blenheim article as best of Internet Modeler. Truely superb work! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 10:02:59 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Master Club 1/48 Sikorsky S-16 Message-ID: Robert writes:<< "... four wire wheels, pre-made and equipped with tires, ... if wheels like this could be made available as an aftermarket goody (and at a price that didn't eat the yearly pizza budget), my stress level would go WAY down." Using the price differential already pointed out by Mr. Kendrix (?), the wheels are are $4.25 apiece or $8.50 for a set of two. This is the same for either scale. Although I've already been made to feel like some sort of elitist profligate, I will continue to court approbrium by stating that I consider this price very reasonable for the quality and the work involved. The last time I scratch-built wire wheels, it took me about 8 hours and the result was not this good. Even PE wheels take me 2 hours, minimum. My hourly rate is more than $4.25, as is anyone's who can afford a computer and an internet connection (cottage industry kit makers excepted, bless their hearts). I have already sent an e-mail to try to get the wheels as a separate item, and will advise. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 18:20:06 +0200 From: Kari Lumppio To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Eesti soomusmasinad 1918-1940 Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20000211162006.006f85c8@frame.hut.fi> For the interested (Glen, GRBroman@aol.com - ohters?): "Eesti soomusmasinad (Estonian armoured machines) Soomusautod ja tankid 1918-1940" by Tiit Noormets and Mati Oun publisher "Tammiskilp", Tallinn 1999 ISBN 9985-60-692-2 Deals the 1919 war-era homemade and warbooty armoured cars, late 20's Arsenal-Grossley, Renault FT17 and Mark V tanks plus Polish Tankette TKS. Mainly from historical aspect, the photos are superb for modeller but provide nothing about the innards nor undersides. Text only in Estonian, A4 size, softcover, 98 pages, 93 b/w photos (18 of Mark V tank - Estonians had four of them). Line drawings of Austin-Putilovets armoured car (4-view) Arsenal-Grossley (2-view only) and Renault FT17 tank. No color profiles. Have no idea where to buy besides bookshops in Estonia. I won't be visiting there before Summer, unfortunately. If somebody desperately wants one I might be able to arrange exmple by asking help from my wife's sister living in Estonia. It seems the book sells fast. I would make swap (one to one) Windsock datafile of Martinsyde F4 Buzzard OR Avro 504 reprint (the latter preferred). If still interested, contacts to personal e-mail: klumppio@frame.hut.fi If the language makes problems I might help with short sentences and specific questions of the book. Kari Lumppio ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 10:25:18 -0600 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Master Club 1/48 Sikorsky S-16 Message-ID: <200002111626.KAA05447@mail1.neonramp.com> On Fri, 11 Feb 2000 11:07:15 -0500 (EST), Lance Krieg wrote: Lance brings up some good points. > Using the price differential already pointed out by Mr. Kendrix (?), the wheels are are $4.25 apiece or $8.50 for a set of two. This is the same for either scale. This is not that bad. Heck, I paid more than that for a pair of Moskit Il-2 exhausts! To me it depends on what you're building the model for. Sure, if it's Dicta Ira and a "shelf sitter", then $8.50 is a lot. However, if you ever hope to compete with it, going that extra route is almost necessary. > Although I've already been made to feel like some sort of elitist profligate, I will continue to court approbrium by stating that I consider this price very reasonable for the quality and the work involved. I have never built wire wheels, but these sound great. However, I doubt their limitation past the S.16. Are they the correct size and shape for, say, a Nie.17? Doubtful... > I have already sent an e-mail to try to get the wheels as a separate item, and will advise. Yes, please keep us informed. Whenever I get to building/correcting the Dako S.16, these would definitely be nice to have! Didn't you say that the FMP plans are more suspect now, as well? Matt Bittner http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 10:30:33 -0600 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: SPAD book on ebay Message-ID: <200002111632.KAA19882@mail2.neonramp.com> The Arco-Aircam book on the SPAD scouts can be found here for a decent price: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=258292730 Matt Bittner http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 10:33:48 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Master Club 1/48 Sikorsky S-16 Message-ID: <009e01bf74ad$e3f65880$7d97aec7@dora9sprynet.com> >Thank you, Eric, for the very instructive post on how the resin business >works. I had no idea about most of this stuff. Hey Gang, Let me chime in here too. I used to model professionally (architectural, engineering, and marine), and did an enormous amount of resin casting using the usual stuff (yellow resin) and polyurethane. The company I worked for had no centrifuge to work resin into fine details, and the rotten thing is that if you get a casting, and it's no good, then it gets chucked. I'm not talking puny little detail stuff, I'm talking about pouring stuff on the order of 1-2 cubic FEET of resin. You have to mix and pour it fast too! Resin ain't cheap, either. Then there was the time that we tried to use polyurethane to cast supertanker hulls in a 5-foot long RTV mold, which sat in a plywood 'coffin' to keep it rigid and prevent it from deforming - an interesting attempt, especially when the expanding urethane blocked the overflow holes and basically blew the coffin apart! But I digress... The stories are true: RTV is expensive as hell. We would get it in 10-gallon jugs, and pound per pound it represented the largest of the material investments. We could goof with the resin, but were told not to waste the RTV. We could get about 25 good shots out of each mold, and then it would begin to degrade. This was a bugger when having to cast several-hundred life-boat cannisters, or similar items. Oh, our models sold for upwards of 5-60 thousand bucks apiece. This represented several-hundred man-hours of work, but it also represented the cost of materials (also used lexan, acrylic, styrene, wood, brass and other stuff). I also tried to get them into doing photo-etch, but since we had a laser cutter which could make cuts 60 thousandths of an inch wide, adequate detail could be done with the laser. Digressing again.... Scratchbuilding maters is time-consuming, and one tries to do it in units that are fairly robust - that's so you can tyr to make more than one mold out of each master. And RTV takes overnight to cure, so sometimes work would be held up while molds were curing. I'll tell you, if I had the money to lend, I'd love to invest in CSM so he could get an injection machine and mold tools, because what he does with the multi-media stuff is fantastic - I can't imagine what an injection kit by him would be like. And I disagree with the previous statement about having to have multi-media in the box or it won't sell: I find that there is alot that PE is not good for, as is white metal. And there are multi-media kits that really suck too: anybody try the Classic Airframes F4B-4 and P-12 lately? Maybe the rest of the world turns their noses up at having no PE in the box, but I don't. If it's there, fine. Sometimes it's just a pain in the butt to deal with. Now pardon me while I go and do some more work on my Strutter. Maybe I'll take a nap too...... DB ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 10:02:38 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Copper State Sopwith Strutter Message-ID: <009c01bf74ad$e0fb6800$7d97aec7@dora9sprynet.com> ...Dave to the rescue! Hi Ken, I have it, it is in its final stages now. I disassembled it as I goofed up the cowling. My fault though. The kit is well engineered, and is as close to a box-shaker as you can get with such a complicated kit. It and my Camel are both slated for near-future completion. I replaced the white-metal Lewis gun in the rear with the Copper State one, and also the wing struts with mahogany veneer. As time has gone on, I have lost some of the PE pieces (hope you have some extra for sale, Eric). The resin castings are first-rate. Buy the Strutter Datafile and this kit and you should get first-class results. Oh, and when you get that Scarff mount done for the observer's position, it is really nice! Should be done soon! Dave -----Original Message----- From: Ken Acosta To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Friday, February 11, 2000 9:23 AM Subject: Copper State Sopwith Strutter >All- > >Not new to modeling but new to WWI. I'm interested in finding a good 1/48 Sopwith Strutter and the only one I know of is the one from Copper State. It looks great on their web site and I enjoy mixed media. Is there anyone out there who has built this kit and could share some insight (accuracy, assembly, etc.)? Thanks for your help. > >Ken > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 10:06:50 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Kit Prices: Master Club 1/48 Sikorsky S-16 Message-ID: <009d01bf74ad$e28cb660$7d97aec7@dora9sprynet.com> >I feel bad about CSM because the kits are terrific and Eric is a good guy >(and one of us!) and I want to buy from him - but I just cannot justify 75 >bucks for an SE5 - even during the sale reduction. If it was 35-40 bucks I'd >have bought one long ago. I wonder how many have actually sold at full >price. (More than 5?) I have one. Damned nice kit too. Who have the other 4? DB ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 11:03:39 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Master Club 1/48 Sikorsky S-16 Message-ID: Matt asks: "Didn't you say that the FMP plans are more suspect now, as well?" No, I said the kit wing span (tho not chord) is different, and the ribs, though equal in number, have different spacing. All else is on the money, including the lower wings, fuselage, and tail. I did not size the wheels, and the spoke pattern is typical of German usage, but there are multiple applications for these. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 12:14:31 -0500 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: Copper State Sopwith Strutter Message-ID: <001101bf74b3$7ce650e0$d10156d1@default> Ken: I was at the Titusville Fla Modelfest 2000 show last weekend and a CSM Strutter took Second in 1:48 Allied prop. A beautiful kit. The builder's only gripe was a seat he thought was too small and he would have liked more details in the drawings/plans I saw the model half built as well as finished and it looks like an excellent build. hth sp > All- > > Not new to modeling but new to WWI. I'm interested in finding a good 1/48 Sopwith Strutter and the only one I know of is the one from Copper State. It looks great on their web site and I enjoy mixed media. Is there anyone out there who has built this kit and could share some insight (accuracy, assembly, etc.)? Thanks for your help. > > Ken > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2137 **********************