WWI Digest 2136 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Master Club 1/48 Sikorsky S-16 by Shane Weier 2) translations by "Bob Pearson" 3) RE: Master Club 1/48 Sikorsky S-16 by ERIC HIGHT 4) Re: Adding to the collection by "Andy Kemp" 5) Re: translations by "Andy Kemp" 6) Re: translations by THOMAS SOLINSKI 7) SV: translations by "=?iso-8859-1?B?QW525G5kYXJl?=" 8) Re: translations by PolTexCW@aol.com 9) Re: Master Club 1/48 Sikorsky S-16 by mgoodwin@ricochet.net 10) RE: Master Club 1/48 Sikorsky S-16 by "Peter Leonard" 11) Re: sowhadImiss - re Starstrutter by BStett3770@aol.com 12) Listserve commands? by Jess Stuart 13) Re: Master Club 1/48 Sikorsky S-16 by mgoodwin@ricochet.net 14) Re: Listserve commands? by Zulis@aol.com 15) Re: Master Club 1/48 Sikorsky S-16 by mgoodwin@ricochet.net 16) RE: Master Club 1/48 Sikorsky S-16 by Shane Weier 17) RE: Master Club 1/48 Sikorsky S-16 by "Peter Leonard" 18) Re: Back on the list again by Pedro e Francisca 19) Re: Master Club 1/48 Sikorsky S-16 by "Michael Kendix" 20) Re: Master Club 1/48 Sikorsky S-16 by KarrArt@aol.com 21) Re: Off-topic SPAD 7 & 13 by KarrArt@aol.com 22) Re: Back on the list again by KarrArt@aol.com 23) Re: Adding to the collection by bucky@ptdprolog.net 24) Re: Info on Clifton Cottrel, 91st Aero Sq. by bucky@ptdprolog.net 25) Re: Farman HF30 and Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter by "David Calhoun" 26) Web goodies by "Matthew Bittner" 27) Re: Farman HF30 and Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter by KarrArt@aol.com 28) Ernie's ot Bipe by smperry@mindspring.com 29) Re: Ernie's ot Bipe by Albatrosdv@aol.com 30) Re: Glencoe was Web site by KarrArt@aol.com 31) Re: Web site by KarrArt@aol.com 32) RE: Master Club 1/48 Sikorsky S-16 by ERIC HIGHT ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 07:46:00 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Master Club 1/48 Sikorsky S-16 Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1CDB@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Rio, > I'd say the Toko > kits (less than 10 USD ea. for both single and two-seaters) > qualify as bargains. ....clearly too much so - look what happened to Toko. > > Until folks stop paying power tool prices for model planes, > the prices > for 'limited run' kits will just keep going up & up. If people stop paying for them, the kits won't appear *at all*. Whatever our personal opinion of the prices of short run (mainly resin) kits, the economics are such that full kits can be produced only at high prices and then *still* only barely do more than break even for the manufacturer. If you'd like a heartfelt explanation of this, read Art Anderson post currently on rec.models.scale, or ask Peter or Eric Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:45:51 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: ww1 mailing list Subject: translations Message-ID: <200002102152.NAA19705@mail.rapidnet.net> Does anyone know of any sites that translate from Polish to English? I have a number of Profile Morski booklets that I would love to know what they say. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 14:50:33 -0700 From: ERIC HIGHT To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Master Club 1/48 Sikorsky S-16 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20000210145033.0092530c@pop.amug.org> shane, ya hit the nail on the head. my two cents. eric At 04:49 PM 2/10/00 -0500, you wrote: >Rio, > >> I'd say the Toko >> kits (less than 10 USD ea. for both single and two-seaters) >> qualify as bargains. > >...clearly too much so - look what happened to Toko. > >> >> Until folks stop paying power tool prices for model planes, >> the prices >> for 'limited run' kits will just keep going up & up. > >If people stop paying for them, the kits won't appear *at all*. Whatever our >personal opinion of the prices of short run (mainly resin) kits, the >economics are such that full kits can be produced only at high prices and >then *still* only barely do more than break even for the manufacturer. > >If you'd like a heartfelt explanation of this, read Art Anderson post >currently on rec.models.scale, or ask Peter or Eric > >Shane > > >************************************************************** >The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential >and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). >If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution >or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are >requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems >to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. >E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. >************************************************************** > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 22:04:22 -0000 From: "Andy Kemp" To: Subject: Re: Adding to the collection Message-ID: <001b01bf7412$cdc16460$af468cd4@675> Steve Congrats on No.2! > As to the OT bit - the Lincolnshire Echo yesterday published another > coloured photograph, courtesy of someone called Ray Hooley, of the 1000th > Sopwith Camel out of the Ruston Proctor factory in Lincoln. Ray Hooley is the ex-librarian & volunteer historian for the Lincoln-based company that used to be Rustons - European Gas Turbines. Lovely chap - he let me have access to their archives some years ago. That work developed into a database of all Camels built by Rustons ... Glad he's still going strong - he's no spring chicken. Presumably the new photo is one of the full colour shots done for the 1000th aircraft celebration brochure produced by Rustons in 1918? Ray has a copy - the only other one I've seen is with Stuart Leslie in Scarborough. Beautiful thing! I must get my in-laws to stash away a copy of that Echo for my next visit :-) AndyK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 22:05:29 -0000 From: "Andy Kemp" To: Subject: Re: translations Message-ID: <002301bf7412$f48d5680$af468cd4@675> Does babelfish (altavista) do Polish? AndyK > Does anyone know of any sites that translate from Polish to English? I have > a number of Profile Morski booklets that I would love to know what they say. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 16:19:27 -0600 From: THOMAS SOLINSKI To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: translations Message-ID: <38A3396E.DD4A22@home.com> Bob Any southsideneighbor hood in Chicago or Detroit :-) Tom SolinSKI My roots are firmly off the boat! Actuall if its not too much, you might ask Witold his english is alot better than my Polish! Bob Pearson wrote: > Does anyone know of any sites that translate from Polish to English? I have > a number of Profile Morski booklets that I would love to know what they say. > > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 23:27:48 +0100 From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?QW525G5kYXJl?=" To: Subject: SV: translations Message-ID: <002401bf7416$105e9600$8ec443c3@default> Try this URL for a program named TOLKEN. WWW (Internet): http://www.algonet.se/~hagsten Mårten -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: Bob Pearson Till: Multiple recipients of list Datum: den 10 februari 2000 22:51 Ämne: translations >Does anyone know of any sites that translate from Polish to English? I have >a number of Profile Morski booklets that I would love to know what they say. > >Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 17:34:18 EST From: PolTexCW@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: translations Message-ID: <25.1c0736a.25d496ea@aol.com> In a message dated 2/10/0 5:51:06 PM, bpearson@rapidnet.net writes: <> I would be glad to trans. brief passages, captions etc. You could scan and Email - or let me know and I'll send you my fax #. John Biskupski ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 02:31:18 -0800 From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Master Club 1/48 Sikorsky S-16 Message-ID: <38A3E4F6.2BB2@ricochet.net> Shane Weier wrote: > > If people stop paying for them, the kits won't appear *at all*. Whatever our personal opinion Your point is well taken; however, it's not so much personal opinion as unfortunate economic realities. I understand that not many are willing to buy short-run kits of non-mainstream (WW I) subjects, so the prices of same must be very high, gauranteeing that not many will buy them (I would be very interested to here the actual facts behind the collapse of Toko). Unfortunately, the reality of it for someone like myself is that although I've a genuine interest in "obscure" subjects, I'm not yet retired, have bills to pay, a family to provide for and don't have disposable income on the order of magnitude (upwards of $40) for high end kits. > of the prices of short run (mainly resin) kits, the > economics are such that full kits can be produced only at high prices and then *still* only barely do more than break even for the manufacturer. I must give Mr. Gannon credit - he has managed to keep his Pegasus prices fairly reasonable, and he is able to make a living isn't he? Aeroclub's kits (especially 1/72 scale) have been reasonably priced as well. I guess it's frustrating to think that WW I modeling seems to be more-or-less doomed to the fringes unless more kit producers can figure out a way to escape the Catch-22 cycle. End of whining, Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 22:38:16 GMT From: "Peter Leonard" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Master Club 1/48 Sikorsky S-16 Message-ID: <20000210223816.93594.qmail@hotmail.com> Shane..."..or ask Peter or Eric" The difference between Eric and myself is that he gets it right and stays in buisiness, while I got it wrong and didn't. It's a difficult and increasingly competetive field and "multi-media" is what the customer demands. These days if it doesn't have etch, white metal, and decals, and all at the right price, it isn't going to sell. All these extras require additional work and research which usually ends up being contracted out, greatly increasing the costs. The kind of stuff I used to produce as a one man band just would not be acceptable by to-days standards, so far have they come in the last three or four years. I've done it myself and I still don't understand how the likes of Eric and the east eurpopean boys do it for the price, even though I can't afford it ;) Peter L Peter L ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 17:51:15 EST From: BStett3770@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: sowhadImiss - re Starstrutter Message-ID: Hi Steve Matt right's right Brumowoki's is the 28 series -which is the Toko kit. Our Roseplane replacement is for the 65.7 series - about 20 or so built - different engine. And car type radiator, fuselage higher with different side panels etc.- some saw combat, but most used as advanced fighter trainers. Keep Modeling Barry Rosemont Hobby www.swiftsite.com/rosemonthobby ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 15:20:30 -0800 From: Jess Stuart To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: Listserve commands? Message-ID: How do I get a list of commands for this email list? Jess Stuart Technical Support Specialist Bi-Tech Software 530.879.2742 jess.stuart@bi-tech.com 'Anyone who considers arithmetical methods of producing random digits is, of course, in a state of sin.' - John von Neumann (1951) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 03:15:56 -0800 From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Master Club 1/48 Sikorsky S-16 Message-ID: <38A3EF6C.4A24@ricochet.net> > I think I'm missing something here. Dako (aka Eastern Express) had a kit with a choice of regualr covered wheels (plastic) or skis. Toko has no S-16 that I've seen. Touche. However, a first-class kit (even with superb wire wheels) of an interesting subject priced quite out of reach is, to some, the same as no kit at all. For example, although Fdh. G.III bombers are interesting to me, I'm not willing to forfeit the cost of a student loan payment to buy the new Choroszy kit. So it's the Don Quixote bit with a Merlin windmill. :) My whining thus endeth; suffice to say the high end kits generally exceed my interest to budget ratio. Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 18:26:43 EST From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Listserve commands? Message-ID: <24.10d3bc4.25d4a333@aol.com> In a message dated 00-02-10 18:22:16 EST, you write: << How do I get a list of commands for this email list? >> Jess, you can find the important ones in a FAQ on the web page where you signed up for the list. I tried to access the web site a couple of hours ago and it was down, but that is extremely rare and you should have no problem finding what you need there shortly. The url is: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/ Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 03:22:13 -0800 From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Master Club 1/48 Sikorsky S-16 Message-ID: <38A3F0E5.5588@ricochet.net> Peter Leonard wrote: > > > The difference between Eric and myself is that he gets it right and stays in > buisiness, while I got it wrong and didn't. It's a difficult and > increasingly competetive field and "multi-media" is what the customer > demands. These days if it doesn't have etch, white metal, and decals, and > all at the right price, it isn't going to sell. Although Eduard may be the one exception, they've been decreasing the etch and white metal in their regular kits, haven't they...? Decals do seem to have become 'standard equipment' though, and from talking to Cyg., are not inexpensive. Thanks for the perspective, R. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 09:31:06 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Master Club 1/48 Sikorsky S-16 Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1CDC@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Rio, > I must give Mr. Gannon credit - he has managed to keep his Pegasus > prices fairly reasonable, and he is able to make a living isn't he? > Aeroclub's kits (especially 1/72 scale) have been reasonably priced as > well. Bear in mind that these are short run injection moulded - but that that means 1500 copies. Eric may be willing to tell us how many resin kits he makes in a run - but if not *I* bet it's no more than 100. Unfortunately the ecomomies of scale for making injection kits don't apply as happily to resin. Chris Gannon will make one mould to produce the entire run each kit, but a resin kit maker has to remake moulds again and again - and often remake masters too for that matter. Furthermore, the reject rate is higher, and making longer runs scarcely affects the % rejected. I have exactly the same problem as you with regard to these kits. I simply have to choose between 2-3 Eduards and 1 from Eric. I'd love to do business with him, but I can't justify it to myself, but neither can I kid myself that Eric could drop the price of his kits and make an equal profit by selling more of them - there are only so many hours in a day and I bet his hourly rate is low enough now. Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 23:50:04 GMT From: "Peter Leonard" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Master Club 1/48 Sikorsky S-16 Message-ID: <20000210235004.91655.qmail@hotmail.com> I can chip in again here. My best seller was the M1C, which sold something over 160 kits. This was just a very basic resin kit with off the shelf Aeroclub white metal which sold for £20 ($35 ish). It did not make a profit. At twice the price it would have, provided of course it had sold in the same numbers. Rio makes a good point with the interest:budget ratio, one with which I can readily identify. As skill levels rise, and the gods of scratch building are appeased, the question becomes "do I want to pay this much for something I can make out of an old chair leg and a coathanger?" Which of course, we hardly ever do. Peter L ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 22:11:17 +0000 From: Pedro e Francisca To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Back on the list again Message-ID: <38A33784.41410556@mail.telepac.pt> Michal Beran wrote: > Hi all, > > I have just made it back on the list friends. I have some physical problems > in last moths, but everyting is getting better and I hope for better future. > I have just really missed you all. > > Regards > > Michal Michal, Great to have you back again. I'm sure The List will help in your recovery. Now get back to work on something OT and let us know about it. Um abraco Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 16:43:00 PST From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Master Club 1/48 Sikorsky S-16 Message-ID: <20000211004300.82357.qmail@hotmail.com> >From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net > > I think I'm missing something here. Dako (aka Eastern Express) had a >kit with a choice of regualr covered wheels (plastic) or skis. Toko has no >S-16 that I've seen. > >Touche. However, a first-class kit (even with superb wire wheels) of an >interesting subject priced quite out of reach is, to some, the same as >no kit at all. For example, although Fdh. G.III bombers are interesting >to me, I'm not willing to forfeit the cost of a student loan payment to >buy the new Choroszy kit. So it's the Don Quixote bit with a Merlin >windmill. :) > >My whining thus endeth; suffice to say the high end kits generally >exceed my interest to budget ratio. > Riordan: My only point was that it was Dako's kit. I agree that $28 is too high, when a decent $6 kit is available. Michael ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 20:31:53 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Master Club 1/48 Sikorsky S-16 Message-ID: In a message dated 2/10/00 9:27:55 AM Pacific Standard Time, lance.krieg@amerus.com writes: << The crowning glory are four wire wheels, pre-made and equipped with tires, that are so far superior to photoetched components as to leave me permanently dissatisfied with alternatives, and scheming to get more. They must be hand made, perhaps with fly-line, and really defy description. There is no way in hell I'm going to squander all four of them on a single plane, and may try to find a way to use them, one each, on four different models >> Now THIS may be the innovation of the century. Jeez, if wheels like this could be made available as an aftermarket goody (and at a price that didn't eat the yearly pizza budget), my stress level would go WAY down. RK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 20:31:56 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Off-topic SPAD 7 & 13 Message-ID: In a message dated 2/10/00 12:44:03 AM Pacific Standard Time, bpearson@rapidnet.net writes: << Bob (Only 'Robert' when I am in trouble) >> Robert Pearson- STOP THAT.....Right now! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 20:31:54 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Back on the list again Message-ID: <3b.eb4a07.25d4c08a@aol.com> In a message dated 2/10/00 7:58:03 AM Pacific Standard Time, michal.beran@cm-sec.cz writes: << Hi all, I have just made it back on the list friends. I have some physical problems in last moths, but everyting is getting better and I hope for better future. I have just really missed you all. Regards Michal >> Good to see your name back on a posting again! RK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 20:51:09 -0500 From: bucky@ptdprolog.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Adding to the collection Message-ID: <38A36B0D.C76D999@ptdprolog.net> Steve Big Congratulations! My daughter happened to weigh-in at the same size. Nothing like a baby girl. Mike Muth Steven Schofield wrote: > My wife gave birth to a healthy seven pound, eleven ounce baby girl this > morning. Mother and baby doing fine, father feeling a bit wobbly. > > Scho > http://www.ww1.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 21:00:37 -0500 From: bucky@ptdprolog.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Info on Clifton Cottrel, 91st Aero Sq. Message-ID: <38A36D45.15AC8DBE@ptdprolog.net> mgoodwin@ricochet.net wrote: > bucky@ptdprolog.net wrote: > > > > There was also a brief article in Aviation History this month about >the 91st. They flew Renault's > > You mean Breguet 14A2s with Renault engines? Riordan I'm not sure. The article refers to it as follows: "180-hp Armee Renault...it looks like a truck and flies like one." Mike......hope this doesn't confuse things more. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 21:24:54 -0800 From: "David Calhoun" To: Subject: Re: Farman HF30 and Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter Message-ID: <001001bf75e2$aab96a40$8d0a3ccc@oemcomputer> Hi Kari, welcome to the list! I looked in the FMP book on Imperial Russian Air service, and they did not list a DUX built Sopwith strutter, but a lot of different French types built under licence. Also no profiles on the strutter. Hope someone else has better information. Dave Calhoun -----Original Message----- From: Kari Lumppio To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Thursday, February 10, 2000 6:11 AM Subject: Farman HF30 and Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter >Hello everyone! > >I'm a new "face" here. Actually am not WWI enthusiast per se but keen >Finnish Air Force and Estonian Air Force (amongst others) fan. As you may >know one really can't avoid WWI planes if you are modelling the latter. >Their Avro 504s soldiered on to early 30's for example. Now to my questions >for you. > >The first flying machine in Estonian AF inventory was war booty Farman HF30 >(taken by Finnish volunteers at Narva, Estonia, BTW). >Did Farman HF30 have instrument panel? I have article and drawings (Mir >Aviatsii) for HF 22 which do not show any. Is there any references to this >type? Jane's reprint of 1919 World's aircraft hasn't any good info nor does >the Shavrov's "Russian aircrats 1918-38"(IIRC) book. Omega makes a passable >1/72 resin model of HF30 but I would like to add some detailing. >Would HF40 be any help for this or is that type too ignored in the reference >literature? > >The second flying machine in Estonian Air Force was a captured Sopwith >Strutter. Does anyone know when DUKS in Russia started their license >manufacture of the Strutter? Or is the Estonian example made in UK? >This is actually a color question. A British example would be PC10 but what >about Russian one? I have heard about "Mamatov's laquer" (may be spelled >differently in English) but don't know what color it is. In the 20's and >early 30's Russian used dope named "Zashchitnii" which literally means >protected, shielded (analoque to Protective Color = PC10???). What should I >use for Russian Stutter? >Is there experts about Russian Imperial/Bolshevist aviation paints? > >(Soviet colors in WW2 is whole another can of worms... ;=) ) > >Waiting eagerly what the response in this forum will be. Usually these kind >of questions go unanswered in the other forums. > > >Thanking in advance > >Kari Lumppio , Finland > > >PS > >If anyone here is interested about Estonian WWI-era Type IV and Renault >(17?) tanks there was published a superb book last year in Estonia. Paper, >print and photo (lots of) quality is excellent. All info from primary >sources - Eesti Riigiarhiiv (Estonian State Archive) - as there is no >secondary sources! The book deals also all Estonian armored cars (as >tanks/tankettes) period 1918-1940. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 20:43:55 -0600 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Web goodies Message-ID: <200002110246.SAA05736@crow.a001.sprintmail.com> Since I've moved my French stuff completely to pease1, I was wondering what to do with my sprint space. Well, since I posted the Albatros C.VII references, I've decided to keep this going. So, whenever I see a request for references, and I have time and get around to it, I'll post them to my sprint site. Plus, thanks to the generosity of Pedro, he sent me some SPAD 13 images that are now loaded on this site. The URL: http://home.sprintmail.com/~tbittners/ Thanks, Pedro! Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 22:38:16 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Farman HF30 and Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter Message-ID: <9d.1b57448.25d4de28@aol.com> In a message dated 2/10/00 6:10:48 AM Pacific Standard Time, klumppio@frame.hut.fi writes: << Hello everyone! I'm a new "face" here.>> Welcome! <> Finnish Air Force Camouflage and Markings by Keskinen, Stenman and Niska (the recent nice hardback!) has this to say about a particular Nieuport "the fuselage (is)light brown Marmantov laquer". I guess "light brown" could mean many things, but at least it's probably not pink or light green! Robert K. (RK) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 22:58:34 -0500 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: Ernie's ot Bipe Message-ID: <009101bf7444$45064460$3c0b56d1@default> Ernie sent me photos of his Pitts Special with decals done on an Alps printer by Mike Franklin, I believe. Check the URL below sp http://smperry.home.mindspring.com/sitepics.htm E-mail smperry@mindspring.com Web Site http://www.freeyellow.com/members8/wwimodeler/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 23:03:39 EST From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Ernie's ot Bipe Message-ID: In a message dated 2/10/100 11:00:58 PM EST, smperry@mindspring.com writes: << Ernie sent me photos of his Pitts Special with decals done on an Alps printer by Mike Franklin, I believe. Check the URL below sp http://smperry.home.mindspring.com/sitepics.htm >> Good grief, E! Are you blind yet??? Talk about microscopic modeling!!! :-) Actually, it looks pretty darned good - glad the pic magnified it so I wouldn't miss it. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 23:35:19 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Glencoe was Web site Message-ID: <3e.fc5a77.25d4eb87@aol.com> In a message dated 2/9/00 2:42:35 PM Pacific Standard Time, peter_leonard@hotmail.com writes: << I got a note from Hannants to-day telling me that my back order for the Glencoe French Aces SPAD, held since about August last, is cancelled and that this item is now OOP. Although it doesn't say so directly Glencoe's web site does appear to confirm this in an abiguous sort of way. I just wonder how this effects the long awaited DH4. Anyone have contacts? Peter L >> I haven't had any contact with Glencoe in a while, and this is pure speculation- but being that Glencoe is an extremely small company, and that they can only run off so many different kits at a time, I think that the Spad going out of production may actually bode well for the release of the DH-4...they may be just clearing the shop for the Dh's production run. RK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 23:35:20 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Web site Message-ID: In a message dated 2/9/00 2:28:52 PM Pacific Standard Time, lyle.lamboley@juno.com writes: << Talk about a collaboration of artists! Yourself, Amendola, Chuck S... The kits are worth the price just for the art, IMO. Lyle >> URP!. (excuse me)...those Swedish meatballs again tonight......I blush and tip over. RK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 21:42:39 -0700 From: ERIC HIGHT To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Master Club 1/48 Sikorsky S-16 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20000210214239.0092e6f8@pop.amug.org> shane, Eric may be willing to tell us how many resin kits he >makes in a run - but if not *I* bet it's no more than 100. that's my usual run and it takes a long time to sell that. Unfortunately the ecomomies of scale for making injection kits don't apply >as happily to resin. Chris Gannon will make one mould to produce the entire >run each kit, but a resin kit maker has to remake moulds again and again - >and often remake masters too for that matter. Furthermore, the reject rate >is higher, and making longer runs scarcely affects the % rejected. 100% on the money. you have to make molds of all the parts, then cast as many copies as needed for the production molds. then you have to make the production molds. the rubber is about $10-15 a pound. my wing mold for the ai which casts 10 wings is 5 pounds(that's weight not money). i probley can get about 200 or so kits out of the production molds on some parts and others a lot less. the person that was doing my casting was getting about 125 kits out of his molds. the scrape rate is alot higher than plastic also. especially when the molds get more used the scrap rate goes up. also here the molds don't last forever even if you don't cast them, they dry up and loose their tinsle strength. > >I have exactly the same problem as you with regard to these kits. I simply >have to choose between 2-3 Eduards and 1 from Eric. I'd love to do business >with him, but I can't justify it to myself, but neither can I kid myself >that Eric could drop the price of his kits and make an equal profit by >selling more of them - there are only so many hours in a day and I bet his >hourly rate is low enough now. yes and i don't even make miniumum wage!! but seriously i am trying some different approaches to manufacturing which should bring the price down. i would personally rather sell more kits at a lower price to get to the bottom line. i looked into plactic once and when i saw the $75,000 to $100,000 price tag to get it tooled and produced(not including decals,directions,pe,box,label etc.)..... well you see why i am doing resin. i hope that i will be able to reduce the price of my kits and still keep the same high level of quality as i do understand the sentiments expressed here. my kits will never be on a price footing with eduard but to have the same quality at a slightly higher price for unusual subjects that you know they will never do is my goal. well enough counter whinning. thanks for the ear. eric ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2136 **********************