WWI Digest 2135

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Blue Rider SPAD 13 help
	by "Matthew Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
  2) Re: Blue Rider SPAD 13 help
	by Allan Wright <aew>
  3) Re: Blue Rider SPAD 13 help
	by "Matthew Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
  4) Re: Blue Rider SPAD 13 help
	by "Bob Pearson" <bpearson@rapidnet.net>
  5) Re: Blue Rider SPAD 13 help
	by Allan Wright <aew>
  6) Back on the list again
	by "Michal Beran" <michal.beran@cm-sec.cz>
  7) Re: Back on the list again
	by Zulis@aol.com
  8) Re: Adding to the collection
	by "Michal Beran" <michal.beran@cm-sec.cz>
  9) Re: Farman HF30 and Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter
	by GRBroman@aol.com
 10) Re: Off-topic SPAD 7 & 13
	by mgoodwin@ricochet.net
 11) RE: Back on the list again
	by "dfernet0" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
 12) Re: Off-topic SPAD 7 & 13
	by mgoodwin@ricochet.net
 13) Master Club 1/48 Sikorsky  S-16
	by "Lance Krieg" <lance.krieg@amerus.com>
 14) Re: Master Club 1/48 Sikorsky  S-16
	by "Matthew Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
 15) RE: Master Club 1/48 Sikorsky  S-16
	by "dfernet0" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
 16) Kits of Italian WW1 aeroplanes - the list
	by "Alberto Casirati" <ammi-alme@unicalce.it>
 17) Re: Kits of Italian WW1 aeroplanes - the list
	by "Matthew Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
 18) Re: Kits of Italian WW1 aeroplanes - the list
	by Zulis@aol.com
 19) Re: Adding to the collection
	by Mark Shannon <MSHANNON@tnrcc.state.tx.us>
 20) Re: Kits of Italian WW1 aeroplanes - the list
	by "Michael Kendix" <mkendix@hotmail.com>
 21) Re: RE: Master Club 1/48 Sikorsky  S-16
	by "Lance Krieg" <lance.krieg@amerus.com>
 22) SV: Off-topic biplane
	by "=?iso-8859-1?B?QW525G5kYXJl?=" <marten.tyllstrom@goteborg.mail.telia.com>
 23) Re: Master Club 1/48 Sikorsky  S-16
	by mgoodwin@ricochet.net
 24) Re: Master Club 1/48 Sikorsky S-16
	by "Michael Kendix" <mkendix@hotmail.com>
 25) Re:FMP WW1 French A/C book
	by Robert M Farrar III <rmf3@airmail.net>
 26) Re: Master Club 1/48 Sikorsky  S-16
	by "Lance Krieg" <lance.krieg@amerus.com>
 27) Re: Adding to the collection
	by "Steven Schofield" <scho@ww1.org.uk>
 28) Re: Off-topic SPAD 7 & 13
	by "Bob Pearson" <bpearson@rapidnet.net>

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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:03:01 -0600
From: "Matthew Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Blue Rider SPAD 13 help
Message-ID: <200002101504.JAA18619@mail2.neonramp.com>

Does anybody have the Blue Rider 1/72nd decal sheet of Samuel
Kay's SPAD 13, sheet #BR222 that could provide me first with a
quick scan of the sheet, and maybe purchase and/or a higher
resolution scan later?  TIA!


Matt Bittner
http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm
http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook



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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 10:13:08 -0500 (EST)
From: Allan Wright <aew>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Blue Rider SPAD 13 help
Message-ID: <200002101513.KAA10843@pease1.sr.unh.edu>

> Does anybody have the Blue Rider 1/72nd decal sheet of Samuel
> Kay's SPAD 13, sheet #BR222 that could provide me first with a
> quick scan of the sheet, and maybe purchase and/or a higher
> resolution scan later?  TIA!

Darned, the only set I have is on a model! Came out nice though!

Is this still in print? If so then this really should not be
asked for. If it is out of print, I think I may know someone
who has a set.

-Allan

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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:12:44 -0600
From: "Matthew Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Blue Rider SPAD 13 help
Message-ID: <200002101514.JAA18831@mail2.neonramp.com>

On Thu, 10 Feb 2000 10:14:25 -0500 (EST), Allan Wright wrote:

> Darned, the only set I have is on a model! Came out nice though!

Do you have a photo?

> Is this still in print? If so then this really should not be
> asked for. If it is out of print, I think I may know someone
> who has a set.

I understand.  Basically what I want to know is what the decals
look like - colors and all.  If it's what I think, then I will
search for the sheet through hobby shop channels.


Matt Bittner
http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm
http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook



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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 07:14:17 -0800
From: "Bob Pearson" <bpearson@rapidnet.net>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Blue Rider SPAD 13 help
Message-ID: <200002101518.HAA03468@mail.rapidnet.net>

Hey .. that's cheating. . you're supposed to paint it... 

Bob

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> Does anybody have the Blue Rider 1/72nd decal sheet of Samuel
> Kay's SPAD 13, sheet #BR222 that could provide me first with a
> quick scan of the sheet, and maybe purchase and/or a higher
> resolution scan later?  TIA!

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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 10:31:40 -0500 (EST)
From: Allan Wright <aew>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Blue Rider SPAD 13 help
Message-ID: <200002101531.KAA11152@pease1.sr.unh.edu>

> I understand.  Basically what I want to know is what the decals
> look like - colors and all.  If it's what I think, then I will
> search for the sheet through hobby shop channels.

Ahhhh light blue and red on a clear sheet of carrier. Whole sheet for top
left and right wings. Fuselage is 1 piece I think, one for tail and elevator.

Photo.....hmmmmmm don't seem to have one, but could bring it in and
webcam it I guess, if you promise not to laugh at an early attempt
at modeling by a mere wargamer.

-Allan

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University of New Hampshire+---------------------------------------------------
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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 16:52:57 +0100
From: "Michal Beran" <michal.beran@cm-sec.cz>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Back on the list again
Message-ID: <006601bf73de$e984ed40$70d6a8c0@cmsec.cz>

Hi all,

I have just made it back on the list friends. I have some physical problems
in last moths, but everyting is getting better and I hope for better future.
I have just really missed you all.

Regards

Michal


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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 11:01:36 EST
From: Zulis@aol.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Back on the list again
Message-ID: <72.1790914.25d43ae0@aol.com>

In a message dated 00-02-10 10:58:03 EST, you write:

<< I have just made it back on the list friends. I have some physical problems
 in last moths, but everyting is getting better and I hope for better future.
 I have just really missed you all.
 
 Regards
 
 Michal >>

Welcome back, Michal.   Glad to hear you are well enough to join us again.   
Take care of yourself....

Dave Z

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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 17:10:30 +0100
From: "Michal Beran" <michal.beran@cm-sec.cz>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Adding to the collection
Message-ID: <006c01bf73e1$5b921780$70d6a8c0@cmsec.cz>

..
Steven Schofield wrote:

> My wife gave birth to a healthy seven pound, eleven ounce baby girl this
> morning. Mother and baby doing fine, father feeling a bit wobbly.
>
> Scho


Congrats from Czech republic, Steven

All the best for all your family.

 Michal


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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 11:30:44 EST
From: GRBroman@aol.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Farman HF30 and Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter
Message-ID: <26.1b0d0a9.25d441b4@aol.com>

In a message dated 2/10/70, 8:10:48 AM, wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu writes:
<<If anyone here is interested about Estonian WWI-era Type IV and Renault
(17?) tanks there was published a superb book last year in Estonia. Paper,
print and photo (lots of) quality is excellent. All info from primary
sources - Eesti Riigiarhiiv (Estonian State Archive) - as there is no
secondary sources! The book deals also all Estonian armored cars (as
tanks/tankettes) period 1918-1940.>>


Oh yes, tell me more!

Glen

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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 20:26:10 -0800
From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Off-topic SPAD 7 & 13
Message-ID: <38A38F62.6B96@ricochet.net>

Witold Kozakiewicz wrote:

> I'm quite sure that these spads were not used during that war.

Thanks for setting me straight.

Riordan

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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:35:53 -0300
From: "dfernet0" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: Back on the list again
Message-ID: <004201bf73e4$e64ce500$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar>

Welcome back!
I'm sure that this good natured list will improve your health even more! Are
you building something, Michal?
regards
D.

----- Original Message -----
From: Michal Beran <michal.beran@cm-sec.cz>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 1:00 PM
Subject: Back on the list again


> Hi all,
>
> I have just made it back on the list friends. I have some physical
problems
> in last moths, but everyting is getting better and I hope for better
future.
> I have just really missed you all.
>
> Regards
>
> Michal
>


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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 21:12:41 -0800
From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Off-topic SPAD 7 & 13
Message-ID: <38A39A49.7E98@ricochet.net>

David Calhoun wrote:
> 
> Does anyone make decals in 1/48 scale for Albatros D.III flown by the
> Kosciuszko squadron?

Not sure there are any, unless they come with the Blue Max A-H Albatros
kit. Unfortunately, although the national markings on the Kosciuszko's
Albatrosen and Ansaldo Balillas are standard Polish 'checkerboards', the
squadron insignia is rather complex.  There are Kosciuszko Albatros
profiles in a back issue of Windsock which I unwisely lent to an IPMS
acquaintance.   When I was torturing myself with the Glencoe kit, I
resorted to paste-ups from a copied profile.  IIRC, the 7th Sq. insignia
was retained into WWII, where some of the early Polish gull-winged
fighters (PZLs ??) sported it.  It's *possible* to reconstruct it using
colored decal film and tiny blue stars, but it'd be a pain.  

>  If not, can anyone e-mail me a scan of the Blue Rider
> 1/72 scale decal sheet off-line?

Even if this were not a possible problem in terms of copyright issues, I
don't think an enlarged 1/72 scale image of the sq. insignia would be
sharp enough to look right.  There is color artwork in the Flight of
Eagles book which I'll dig out for you once I've finished moving.

FWIW,

Riordan

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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 11:00:01 -0600
From: "Lance Krieg" <lance.krieg@amerus.com>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Master Club 1/48 Sikorsky  S-16
Message-ID: <s8a29a38.061@mail1-fs.amerus.com>

I was very pleasantly surprised with the arrival of this kit from Moscow, as it has been an exceedingly long, strange trip.  Since I have not seen it described here, I will provide a (probably too-lengthy) review:

>From an unprepossessing corrugated cardboard box, unrelieved by anything except a Cyrillic label, emerged first a hypodermic needle of unknown utility or origin, which I eyed with grave misgiving.  It was followed by an exceptionally well executed kit of some 35 resin parts that exceeded my wildest expectations.  The resin details are easily on a par with the very best efforts hitherto seen, and the wings and tail so thin that I was actually afraid to remove them from the sealed cellophane packets 

The fuselage is in two parts, with the seams along the two bottom longerons to preserve the delicate lacing detail incorporated in the upper longerons.  Seat and fuel tank details, along with the rudder bar, are integrally and very well molded. 

All strut components have a very fine imbedded wire reinforcement, and the kit includes a Vickers and Lewis machine gun for alternate mounts.  A pair of skis are included.

The crowning glory are four wire wheels, pre-made and equipped with tires, that are so far superior to photoetched components as to leave me permanently dissatisfied with alternatives, and scheming to get more.  They must be hand made, perhaps with fly-line, and really defy description.  There is no way in hell I'm going to squander all four of them on a single plane, and may try to find a way to use them, one each, on four different models

The kit scales well to the FMP book on the type, with the exception of a slightly undersized top wing span.  The kit's provision for rounded or angular wing-tips and the overall attention to detail prompts me to wonder if Master Club may not know more about the subject than FMP, and so represent a correct  appearance.

There are no decals, and a single page of Russian-only instructions that includes a rigging table.  There are a couple of tired-looking pieces of steel wire floating around the bottom of the box, presumably for push-rods or axles.

I have terminal AMS, and routinely replace excellent kit details in an (often futile) effort to improve them.  I can see virtually nothing that this kit needs except assemby and careful painting.

Lance


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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 11:34:26 -0600
From: "Matthew Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Master Club 1/48 Sikorsky  S-16
Message-ID: <200002101735.LAA24434@mail1.neonramp.com>

On Thu, 10 Feb 2000 12:29:19 -0500 (EST), Lance Krieg wrote:

Lucky duck.  Sounds like an excellent model.

> The kit scales well to the FMP book on the type, with the exception of a slightly undersized top wing span.  The kit's provision for rounded or angular wing-tips and the overall attention to detail prompts me to wonder if Master Club may not know more about the subject than FMP, and so represent a correct  appearance.

Just as an FYI, the FMP book is actually an English translation
of a book already out for awhile (before FMP published) in the
CIS.


Matt Bittner
http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm
http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook



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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 14:35:40 -0300
From: "dfernet0" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: Master Club 1/48 Sikorsky  S-16
Message-ID: <008a01bf73ed$3fdf37a0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar>

Lance!
I've never heard of this manufacturer before. Would he make anything in 1/72
OT?

D.
----- Original Message -----
From: Lance Krieg <lance.krieg@amerus.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 2:29 PM
Subject: Master Club 1/48 Sikorsky S-16


> I was very pleasantly surprised with the arrival of this kit from Moscow,
as it has been an exceedingly long, strange trip.  Since I have not seen it
described here, I will provide a (probably too-lengthy) review:
>
> >From an unprepossessing corrugated cardboard box, unrelieved by anything
except a Cyrillic label, emerged first a hypodermic needle of unknown
utility or origin, which I eyed with grave misgiving.  It was followed by an
exceptionally well executed kit of some 35 resin parts that exceeded my
wildest expectations.  The resin details are easily on a par with the very
best efforts hitherto seen, and the wings and tail so thin that I was
actually afraid to remove them from the sealed cellophane packets
>
> The fuselage is in two parts, with the seams along the two bottom
longerons to preserve the delicate lacing detail incorporated in the upper
longerons.  Seat and fuel tank details, along with the rudder bar, are
integrally and very well molded.
>
> All strut components have a very fine imbedded wire reinforcement, and the
kit includes a Vickers and Lewis machine gun for alternate mounts.  A pair
of skis are included.
>
> The crowning glory are four wire wheels, pre-made and equipped with tires,
that are so far superior to photoetched components as to leave me
permanently dissatisfied with alternatives, and scheming to get more.  They
must be hand made, perhaps with fly-line, and really defy description.
There is no way in hell I'm going to squander all four of them on a single
plane, and may try to find a way to use them, one each, on four different
models
>
> The kit scales well to the FMP book on the type, with the exception of a
slightly undersized top wing span.  The kit's provision for rounded or
angular wing-tips and the overall attention to detail prompts me to wonder
if Master Club may not know more about the subject than FMP, and so
represent a correct  appearance.
>
> There are no decals, and a single page of Russian-only instructions that
includes a rigging table.  There are a couple of tired-looking pieces of
steel wire floating around the bottom of the box, presumably for push-rods
or axles.
>
> I have terminal AMS, and routinely replace excellent kit details in an
(often futile) effort to improve them.  I can see virtually nothing that
this kit needs except assemby and careful painting.
>
> Lance
>


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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 18:54:29 +0100
From: "Alberto Casirati" <ammi-alme@unicalce.it>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Kits of Italian WW1 aeroplanes - the list
Message-ID: <000801bf73ef$e1c62360$320106c0@acasirat>

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Hello all !
I am trying to compile a list of all of the above named kits in 1/72nd =
scale.=20
I am interested in currently available and unavailable kits.
So far, I have been able to trace the following kits:

Vacuum - formed kits
- Savoia Pomilio S.P.3 (Formaplane)
- SVA 5 (Formaplane)
- SVA 5 (Airframe)
- Pomilio PE (Libramodels)
- SAML S.2 (Joystick)
- Ansaldo A-1 (Joystick)
- Fiat 5b (Blue Rider)
- Macchi Parasol (Earlybirds)

Injection - moulded and short run kits
- Caproni Ca. 3 (Meikraft)
- SVA 5 (Pegasus Models)

I am taking the liberty of asking for your help: is there any kit =
(available or unavailable) I am not aware of ?

Thanks very much in advance to you all.

All the very best,

Alberto Casirati.


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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>- SVA 5 (Formaplane)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>- SVA 5 (Airframe)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>- Pomilio PE (Libramodels)</FONT></DIV>
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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 12:14:45 -0600
From: "Matthew Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Kits of Italian WW1 aeroplanes - the list
Message-ID: <200002101816.MAA23362@mail2.neonramp.com>

Ansaldo A1 resin by TC Berg
Macchi M5 injected by Pegasus


Matt Bittner
http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm
http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook



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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:30:45 EST
From: Zulis@aol.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Kits of Italian WW1 aeroplanes - the list
Message-ID: <a2.89d11a.25d45dd5@aol.com>


Hi Alberto,

HitKit made a 1/72 Ansaldo Balilla.   Limited run injection moulded and, 
according to a review I read of it someplace, it was truly awful.

I dont ordinarily remember stuff like this, except it came with a Latvian 
markings option and I was tempted to buy the kit for the decals alone.

Dave Z

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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 12:34:20 -0600
From: Mark Shannon <MSHANNON@tnrcc.state.tx.us>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Adding to the collection
Message-ID: <s8a2b012.045@tnrcc.state.tx.us>

Steven Schofield wrote:

> My wife gave birth to a healthy seven pound, eleven ounce baby girl
this
> morning. Mother and baby doing fine, father feeling a bit wobbly.
>
> Scho


Congrats from somewhere in Texas.  Regards and best wishes for your
family.

.Mark Shannon

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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 10:33:54 PST
From: "Michael Kendix" <mkendix@hotmail.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Kits of Italian WW1 aeroplanes - the list
Message-ID: <20000210183354.6283.qmail@hotmail.com>

Hit Kit's 1/72nd scale Ansaldo Ballila



>From: "Alberto Casirati" <ammi-alme@unicalce.it>
>
>Hello all !
>I am trying to compile a list of all of the above named kits in 1/72nd =
>scale.=20
>I am interested in currently available and unavailable kits.
>So far, I have been able to trace the following kits:
>
>Vacuum - formed kits
>- Savoia Pomilio S.P.3 (Formaplane)
>- SVA 5 (Formaplane)
>- SVA 5 (Airframe)
>- Pomilio PE (Libramodels)
>- SAML S.2 (Joystick)
>- Ansaldo A-1 (Joystick)
>- Fiat 5b (Blue Rider)
>- Macchi Parasol (Earlybirds)
>
>Injection - moulded and short run kits
>- Caproni Ca. 3 (Meikraft)
>- SVA 5 (Pegasus Models)
>
>I am taking the liberty of asking for your help: is there any kit =
>(available or unavailable) I am not aware of ?
>
>Thanks very much in advance to you all.
>
>All the very best,
>
>Alberto Casirati.
>
>
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><DIV><FONT size=3D2>- SAML S.2 (Joystick)</FONT></DIV>
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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:21:32 -0600
From: "Lance Krieg" <lance.krieg@amerus.com>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: RE: Master Club 1/48 Sikorsky  S-16
Message-ID: <s8a2bb67.069@mail1-fs.amerus.com>

Diego wonders:

"I've never heard of this manufacturer before. Would he make anything in 1/72 OT?"

Yep.  Same plane in 1/72 for US $28.00 without wheels, US $45.00 with wheels.  If it's as good as the 1/48, it's a bargain.

Go to:
http://www.aviapress.com/index.html

Lance


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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 20:06:18 +0100
From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?QW525G5kYXJl?=" <marten.tyllstrom@goteborg.mail.telia.com>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: SV: Off-topic biplane
Message-ID: <010401bf7404$2abbb8a0$adc543c3@default>

Why not try the KP version of it? Or, even that strange ruski version of witch I don´t
know the name! CAMOAET something. It is possible to build one of three types anyway. I have them both so they must be well known............??????????

Both in 1/72 scale

Mårten  
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Ämne: Off-topic biplane


>Gavia versus ModelKrak?  I just saw on Jadar's site that the
>ModelKrak Polikarpov Po-2 is now out.  From the pictures on the
>Jadar site, this model looks very nice!  Now why can't they bring
>it out in 1/72nd?  Gads...
>
>Go here:
>
>http://www.jadar.com.pl/html/firmy/mkrak/po-2/po2.htm
>
>
>Matt Bittner
>http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm
>http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook
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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 00:42:25 -0800
From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Master Club 1/48 Sikorsky  S-16
Message-ID: <38A3CB71.3519@ricochet.net>

Lance Krieg wrote:


> 
> Yep.  Same plane in 1/72 for US $28.00 without wheels, US $45.00 with wheels.  If it's as good as the 1/48, it's a bargain.

Forgive me, but I wouldn't use the word 'bargain' in the same sentence
as 1/72 scale and the prices you just mentioned, unless it actually flew
when you were finished building it (which would be a neat trick).  Don't
know how many times I've heard about a new kit of a subject I'd like to
build, only to later learn its absurdly high price.  I'd say the Toko
kits (less than 10 USD ea. for both single and two-seaters) qualify as
bargains.

Until folks stop paying power tool prices for model planes, the prices
for 'limited run' kits will just keep going up & up. IMHO, reference
books are a much better value over the long run than overpriced kits
which sit around collecting dust.

The upside of course, is that the zooming prices motivate more silk
purse projects and scratchbuilding...    

FWIW,

Riordan

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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 12:58:14 PST
From: "Michael Kendix" <mkendix@hotmail.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Master Club 1/48 Sikorsky S-16
Message-ID: <20000210205814.21247.qmail@hotmail.com>

>From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net
>Reply-To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
>To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
>Subject: Re: Master Club 1/48 Sikorsky  S-16
>Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 15:52:24 -0500 (EST)
>
>Lance Krieg wrote:
>
>
> >
> > Yep.  Same plane in 1/72 for US $28.00 without wheels, US $45.00 with 
>wheels.  If it's as good as the 1/48, it's a bargain.
>

Lance:

So that's $17 for a set of wheels?  Are these real aeroplane wheels for that 
price?  Also, which version of the S-16 is it?

>Forgive me, but I wouldn't use the word 'bargain' in the same >sentence as 
>1/72 scale and the prices you just mentioned, unless it >actually flew when 
>you were finished building it (which would be a >neat trick).  Don't know 
>how many times I've heard about a new kit >of a subject I'd like to build, 
>only to later learn its absurdly >high price.  I'd say the Toko kits (less 
>than 10 USD ea. for both >single and two-seaters) qualify as
>bargains.
>

Riordan:

I think I'm missing something here.  Dako (aka Eastern Express) had a kit 
with a choice of regualr covered wheels (plastic) or skis.  Toko has no S-16 
that I've seen.

Michael

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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 15:08:46 -0600
From: Robert M Farrar III <rmf3@airmail.net>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re:FMP WW1 French A/C book
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 Hey guys and gals,
I'm not sure if my post about the FMP book of WW1 French A/C got through
the other day, but Squadron actually has/had it in stock as of two days ago.
Got mine and REAL happy :-) !
Bob


Lance Krieg wrote:

> Diego wonders:
>
> "I've never heard of this manufacturer before. Would he make anything in 1/72 OT?"
>
> YUS $45.00 with wheels.  If it's as good as the 1/48, it's a bargain.
>
> Go to:
> hep.  Same plane in 1/72 for US $28.00 without wheels, ttp://www.aviapress.com/index.html
>
> Lance

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&nbsp;Hey guys and gals,
<br>I'm not sure if my post about the FMP book of WW1 French A/C got through
<br>the other day, but Squadron <i>actually has/had </i>it in stock as
of two days ago.
<br>Got mine and REAL happy :-) !
<br>Bob
<br>&nbsp;
<p>Lance Krieg wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Diego wonders:
<p>"I've never heard of this manufacturer before. Would he make anything
in 1/72 OT?"
<p>YUS $45.00 with wheels.&nbsp; If it's as good as the 1/48, it's a bargain.
<p>Go to:
<br><a href="http://www.aviapress.com/index.html">h</a>ep.&nbsp; Same plane
in 1/72 for US $28.00 without wheels, <a href="http://www.aviapress.com/index.html">ttp://www.aviapress.com/index.html</a>
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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 15:08:45 -0600
From: "Lance Krieg" <lance.krieg@amerus.com>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Master Club 1/48 Sikorsky  S-16
Message-ID: <s8a2d487.053@mail1-fs.amerus.com>

 Riordan protests:

"...but I wouldn't use the word 'bargain' in the same sentence as 1/72 scale and the prices you just mentioned, unless it actually flew when you were finished building it."

These kits are expensive, no doubt about it.  

Those Toko bargains were a little TOO good a deal, it seems; they sure didn't do that company any good.  If it is generally true that "you get what you pay for", I would say the Master Club kit is in the right neighborhood.

I'll never argue against spending money on references and scratchbuilding.

I think the 1/48 version CAN fly...

Lance


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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 21:32:29 -0000
From: "Steven Schofield" <scho@ww1.org.uk>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Adding to the collection
Message-ID: <003301bf740e$6c038f40$c28693c3@oemcomputer>

OK - and eventually OT too...
The new baby's been named 'Hope' - as in 'I hope you're not going out
dressed like that' or 'I hope her mother doesn't convince her to get her
navel pierced' or 'I hope you don't hang around with those boys' or 'I hope
you'll be happy.'
Hope is Scho jnr. no.2 - Joe is now two years old and apparently (I had to
go to work today) fell in love when he saw her at the hospital today.  My
wife Denise and Hope are coming home tomorrow, so I can't spend too long
on-line as I feel that there's a need to tidy the house up.
As to the OT bit - the Lincolnshire Echo yesterday published another
coloured photograph, courtesy of someone called Ray Hooley, of the 1000th
Sopwith Camel out of the Ruston Proctor factory in Lincoln. ( B7380 ) - This
one is a front three-quarter view, and clarifies the underside colour
scheme. It seems Mr. Cooksley and myself got it wrong. In addition, the
flash colour around the propellor boss was green, not white as interpreted.
I intend, for once to correct the model. I'll publish as an addition to the
page. If anyone else wants to build a model of B7380, it might be best to
wait a while...
Thanks to everyone for their best wishes, maybe now I can get back to
building - the Salamander has been on the workbench almost as long now as
that 0-400.

Scho
http://www.ww1.org.uk


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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:27:44 -0800
From: "Bob Pearson" <bpearson@rapidnet.net>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Off-topic SPAD 7 & 13
Message-ID: <200002102140.NAA19071@mail.rapidnet.net>

The Hasegawa 1/32 Spifire Mk.V has the Kosciuszko insignia included. Not 
sure how it would be sizewise for 1/48 or 1/72 though

Bob

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>From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net
>To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
>Subject: Re: Off-topic SPAD 7 & 13
>Date: Thu, 10 Feb, 2000, 9:22 AM
>

> David Calhoun wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone make decals in 1/48 scale for Albatros D.III flown by the
>> Kosciuszko squadron?
>
> Not sure there are any, unless they come with the Blue Max A-H Albatros
> kit. Unfortunately, although the national markings on the Kosciuszko's
> Albatrosen and Ansaldo Balillas are standard Polish 'checkerboards', the
> squadron insignia is rather complex.  There are Kosciuszko Albatros
> profiles in a back issue of Windsock which I unwisely lent to an IPMS
> acquaintance.   When I was torturing myself with the Glencoe kit, I
> resorted to paste-ups from a copied profile.  IIRC, the 7th Sq. insignia
> was retained into WWII, where some of the early Polish gull-winged
> fighters (PZLs ??) sported it.  It's *possible* to reconstruct it using
> colored decal film and tiny blue stars, but it'd be a pain.
>
>>  If not, can anyone e-mail me a scan of the Blue Rider
>> 1/72 scale decal sheet off-line?
>
> Even if this were not a possible problem in terms of copyright issues, I
> don't think an enlarged 1/72 scale image of the sq. insignia would be
> sharp enough to look right.  There is color artwork in the Flight of
> Eagles book which I'll dig out for you once I've finished moving.
>
> FWIW,
>
> Riordan

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