WWI Digest 2129 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: new stuff from CSM by "Peter Leonard" 2) Re: new stuff from CSM by "Peter Leonard" 3) WW1 Modelers Web Ring by "Peter Leonard" 4) WW1 Modelers Web Ring by "Peter Leonard" 5) E-mail test by "Lee Mensinger" 6) Re: E-mail test by "Bill Bacon" 7) Re: E-mail test by Ray_Boorman@telus.net 8) Re: Academic Help by "Len Smith" 9) Re: WW1 Modelers Web Ring by "Bill Bacon" 10) Re: new stuff from CSM/ 1/28 D.VII by Ernest Thomas 11) Re: Hit Kit's Ansaldo Ballila by "Michael Kendix" 12) Re: Academic Help by Zulis@aol.com 13) New Copper State Parts by "David Vosburgh" 14) Re: Contests by "DAVID BURKE" 15) Re: Posting = Copyright infringent? by "DAVID BURKE" 16) Re: Info on Clifton Cottrel, 91st Aero Sq. by James Elkins 17) Re: Aviatik Berg -- Julius Arigi by "The Shannons" 18) Re: OTF Seminar. by fedders 19) OT Contest News by smperry@mindspring.com 20) Re: OT Contest News by Ernest Thomas 21) Re: OT Contest News by Zulis@aol.com 22) Re: OT Contest News by smperry@mindspring.com 23) Re: OT Contest News by "Matthew Bittner" 24) Re: OT Contest News by "Richard Eaton" 25) Merlin Fdh. G-III by mgoodwin@ricochet.net 26) Re: Merlin Fdh. G-III by "Richard Eaton" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 06:00:51 GMT From: "Peter Leonard" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: new stuff from CSM Message-ID: <20000206060051.76423.qmail@hotmail.com> Ernest, spare my maidenly blushes please. The masters were based on all three of the various incarnations of the Ian Stair drawings in my possetion. Each is different from the others, but rather than settle on just one I used photographic references to hopefuly arrive at something near the truth. I haven't seen the results yet and only know Eric's products by reputation, so your comments are doubly welcome. cheers Peter L ----Original Message Follows---- From: Ernest Thomas Reply-To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: new stuff from CSM Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 20:55:08 -0500 (EST) Hi all, Yesterday saw the arrival of a box of goodies from Eric at CSM. OAW panels, rad, and exhaust for the big D-VII along with decals for Stark's Li. Everything looks great. Peter did a real nice job on the masters. The decals are excellent. Printed by Microscale, dead on register, clear borders are almost non-existant. The sheet includes all the kreuze with two different sizes for the fuselage kreuze along with two different sized 'Li's for either sotb or modefied models. Also included are old and new style data tables, two different style 'lift here' plackards, 4523/18 serials, various prop mfg decals, and 6 roundel bullet hole patches. Great looking stuff. Thanks E. E. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 06:44:32 GMT From: "Peter Leonard" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: new stuff from CSM Message-ID: <20000206064432.950.qmail@hotmail.com> Some may recall a few days ago a casual aside from me about the possibility of starting a WW1 Modelers Web Ring. At the time it was not intended as a serious suggestion, but you all know what this list is like by now and the World War One Modelers Web Ring is now up and running. In setting it up I intend it primarily for personal web sites such as those operated by several list members, but I also invite any commercial operators with strong WW1 Modeling credentials to join us The join up page is http:/www.escadrille.mcmail.com/webring.html The artwork by the way is temporary and cobbled together from the graphics on my own site, our very own Diego is working on something specific for the ring. Some I know have difficulty accessing my sites. If so you may prefer to go directly to http://edit.webring.org/cgi-bin/membercgi?ring=ww1&addform&ring=ww1;addform Will anyone joining please be sure to upload onto their web page the HTML fragment that will be mailed to them, otherwise the ring will be broken and that will defeat the whole object hope you all think it's worthwhile Peter Leonard IPMS UK Lancashire & Cheshire Branch http://www.storks.cwc.net http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com PeterL@cwcom.net ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 06:55:58 GMT From: "Peter Leonard" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: WW1 Modelers Web Ring Message-ID: <20000206065558.47350.qmail@hotmail.com> sorry about the heading on that last post...try again Some may recall a few days ago a casual aside from me about the possibility of starting a WW1 Modelers Web Ring. At the time it was not intended as a serious suggestion, but you all know what this list is like by now and the World War One Modelers Web Ring is now up and running. In setting it up I intend it primarily for personal web sites such as those operated by several list members, but I also invite any commercial operators with strong WW1 Modeling credentials to join us The join up page is http:/www.escadrille.mcmail.com/webring.html The artwork by the way is temporary and cobbled together from the graphics on my own site, our very own Diego is working on something specific for thering. Some I know have difficulty accessing my sites. If so you may prefer to go directly to http://edit.webring.org/cgi-bin/membercgi?ring=ww1&addform&ring=ww1;addform Will anyone joining please be sure to upload onto their web page the HTML fragment that will be mailed to them, otherwise the ring will be broken and that will defeat the whole objecthope you all think it's worthwhilePeter Leonard IPMS UKLancashire & Cheshire Branchhttp://www.storks.cwc.net http://www.escadrille.mcmail.comPeterL@cwcom.net ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 07:03:24 GMT From: "Peter Leonard" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: WW1 Modelers Web Ring Message-ID: <20000206070324.60354.qmail@hotmail.com> I'm really really really sorry. Hope it's right this time. Blush Some may recall a few days ago a casual aside from me about the possibility of starting a WW1 Modelers Web Ring. At the time it was not intended as a serious suggestion, but you all know what this list is like by now and the World War One Modelers Web Ring is now up and running. In setting it up I intend it primarily for personal web sites such as those operated by several list members, but I also invite any commercial operators with strong WW1 Modeling credentials to join us The join up page is http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com/webring.html The artwork by the way is temporary and cobbled together from the graphics on my own site, our very own Diego is working on something specific for the ring. Some I know have difficulty accessing my sites. If so you may prefer to go directly to http://edit.webring.org/cgi-bin/membercgi?ring=ww1&addform&ring=ww1;addform Will anyone joining please be sure to upload onto their web page the HTML fragment that will be mailed to them, otherwise the ring will be broken and that will defeat the whole object hope you all think it's worthwhile Peter Leonard IPMS UKLancashire & Cheshire Branch http://www.storks.cwc.net http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com PeterL@cwcom.net ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Reply Reply All Forward Delete Previous ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 21:05:23 -0600 From: "Lee Mensinger" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu, "Lee Mensinger" Subject: E-mail test Message-ID: <389CE4F3.41719FB0@wireweb.net> Have received no messages in 4 hours Test Test Test Lee M. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 01:20:21 -0600 From: "Bill Bacon" To: Subject: Re: E-mail test Message-ID: <000501bf7072$a1142d60$413c32cf@tcac.net> Read you loud and clear. Things have been real quiet. CXheers, Bill B. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lee Mensinger To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2000 1:21 AM Subject: E-mail test > Have received no messages in 4 hours > Test Test Test Lee M. > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 23:38:01 -0800 From: Ray_Boorman@telus.net To: "Lee Mensinger" , wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: E-mail test Message-ID: <200002060737.XAA16652@smtpout.telus.net> If you aren't desubscribed you should see this twice. The list has been real slow tonight well most the day in fact. Everyone must have gone and hid when they saw mention of Jastagate. Ray nw The 13th Warrior On 6 Feb 00, at 2:21, Lee Mensinger wrote: > Have received no messages in 4 hours > Test Test Test Lee M. > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 06:31:24 -0000 From: "Len Smith" To: Subject: Re: Academic Help Message-ID: <000001bf7077$64154d40$09857ed4@mesh> Dave Z, >From the list of declaration of war dates that you posted recently, one has caused me interest. I can find no information about why Zanzibar should be so prompt in joining the War on 5th. August 1914, the day after Great Britain. Do you, or any other listee, have any information or thoughts on this? Regards Len. lensmith@clara.net http://home.clara.net/lensmith ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 02:08:58 -0600 From: "Bill Bacon" To: Subject: Re: WW1 Modelers Web Ring Message-ID: <000b01bf7079$6d999a40$413c32cf@tcac.net> Peter, This idea is great, the site is great and you have done marvelous job. No appologies needed. I am stunned by your work. Cheers, Bill B. ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Leonard To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2000 1:08 AM Subject: WW1 Modelers Web Ring > I'm really really really sorry. Hope it's right this time. Blush > > > > Some may recall a few days ago a casual aside from me about the possibility > of starting a WW1 Modelers Web Ring. At the time it was not intended as a > serious suggestion, but you all know what this list is like by now and the > World War One Modelers Web Ring is now up and running. > > In setting it up I intend it primarily for personal web sites such as > those operated by several list members, but I also invite any commercial > operators with strong WW1 Modeling credentials to join us > The join up page is > http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com/webring.html > > The artwork by the way is temporary and cobbled together from the graphics > on my own site, our very own Diego is working on something specific for the > ring. > > Some I know have difficulty accessing my sites. If so you may prefer to go > directly to > > http://edit.webring.org/cgi-bin/membercgi?ring=ww1&addform&ring=ww1;addform > > Will anyone joining please be sure to upload onto their web page the HTML > fragment that will be mailed to them, otherwise the ring will be broken and > that will defeat the whole object > > hope you all think it's worthwhile > > Peter Leonard > IPMS UKLancashire & Cheshire Branch > http://www.storks.cwc.net > http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com > PeterL@cwcom.net > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > Reply Reply All Forward Delete Previous > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jan 1980 08:22:30 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: new stuff from CSM/ 1/28 D.VII Message-ID: <12D607A5.3B8D59DD@bellsouth.net> REwing@aol.com wrote: > I would be interested in your opinion on hao to get this particular > model to look right. > Well.... I'm currently on the downhill side of building one mostly sotb(Bertholde). All I did was try to fix the top wing. But I really botched it. I tried to use the hot water method, which really deformed it. So I then made some cuts like the FSM article suggested. I now have a top wing with a rather pronounced dihedral that flattens out again outboard of the interplane struts. Looks like crap. Too bad too, because everything else looks real nice. The next one will be Stark's. For the wing, I plan to make 'several' cuts in the LE. I'll post my results when it happens. For the fuselage, I'm thinking I'll just wack off the underside of the fuselage to correct the depth. Then I'm gonna wack off the t-deck, add a bulkhead or two to correct the width, and then re-sheet top and bottom with styrene. That's the plan at this point. It could change. I'll keep you informed. E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 06:38:37 PST From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Hit Kit's Ansaldo Ballila Message-ID: <20000206143837.47914.qmail@hotmail.com> >From: "David C. Fletcher" >>Michael Kendix wrote: > >"I saw Hit Kit's 1/72nd scale version of the Ansaldo Ballila...decals >for about 3 versions including Italian, Polish (naturally) and red >swastikas (Finnish)." > >Red swastikas are Latvian - the Finnish ones are blue. Colours don't >change with scale do they, he asks rhetorically in 1/48th scale? > Dave: Thanks for the clarification. I actually was uncertain and meant to put a question mark after "Finnish". Michael ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 11:22:29 EST From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Academic Help Message-ID: <30.e86005.25cef9c5@aol.com> << Dave Z, >From the list of declaration of war dates that you posted recently, one has caused me interest. I can find no information about why Zanzibar should be so prompt in joining the War on 5th. August 1914, the day after Great Britain. Do you, or any other listee, have any information or thoughts on this? Regards Len. >> Sorry, Len - not a clue. Not a beginning of a clue. :-) The book I used as a source is a very detailed chronology of events. A very useful tool, but it doesnt expand on the items listed. Zanzibar is on the wrong coast to be tied into the Cameroon business - I have no idea. DZ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 12:42:00 -0500 From: "David Vosburgh" To: "WWI Mailing List" Subject: New Copper State Parts Message-ID: <000301bf70c9$93e59fa0$90d690d0@Pvosburg> Hi All Just a note to let you all know that photos of the new resin/metal Fok. D.VII parts are up on Eric's site. The four new decal sets went up last night (Udet & Stark's D.VIIs, R.Williams & Kissenberth's Camels). Check the commercial links section of the List web site for the address. Regards, D.V. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 12:59:29 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Contests Message-ID: <00cf01bf70d8$c8a274c0$ae81aec7@dora9sprynet.com> Hey Everybody! It is my distinct pleasure to invite you all to the Mobile Area Modeler's Association Battleship Modelfest 2000. It will be held at Battleship Memorial Park in Mobile, Alabama on March 18. Vendors galore, IPMS-type panel judging, and also it's about an hour and a half from the Naval Air Museum in Pensacola (as the Alabama Museum is more WW2, Korea, and Viet-Nam -themed). It should be fun for the whole family, and there is access to the battleship, a planned 'make-it-take-it', and other stuff. The Alabama is a South-Dakota class battleship, and is a real treat to explore. I don't know about the U.S.S. Drum - a Gato-class sub - it has been closed for a while due to Hurricane damage. So come one, come all! From Darkest Africa, to wildest Borneo, from the Sub-continent, to the wilds of New York City! For extra info, e-mail me offline! See Y'all! DB (who opened his big mouth and is Head Judge - no small bills, please) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 13:30:46 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: Re: Posting = Copyright infringent? Message-ID: <00d001bf70d8$c95b1660$ae81aec7@dora9sprynet.com> Hi Stef, I would say if the photos come from a material source that is no longer in print, or in publication, was footnoted and credited in a bibliographical manner, and could in no way result in a loss of revenue to the owners, publishers, or those holding possibly applicable copyright, then it may be OK to distribute such stuff . However, my take on the offer was that it was from a source still in print, or from a magazine still in print, even though it is from the Czech Republic, Poland, or California. Should those people get wind of their stuff being posted, they might assume (quite rightly) that people are getting access to their 'goodies' without paying up, and they aren't getting the money. Your point about being able to copy information in a library and use it is well made. However, if you were to publish that information and photos, et.al, you would have to credit the sources, and pay royalties to any copyright-holders who could claim the source material, or be sued for copyright infringement and be accused with plaigarism. Also, the deal is that with the internet, you can scan a page and send it to hundreds, thousands, millions, maybe billions of people. People who do research for a living take a dim view when the stuff that they busted their butts on for years or decades is no longer selling to the public because now their stuff is available for free to any that want it. Especially here in the States, the current hallucination is that information is free, and everyone should have free and easy access to whatever information they desire. This, to quote the 'Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy', is a load of dingo's kidneys. Information is not free, and access is not universal, nor should it be. If it were, then the field of valid research would be useless, and citeable scholarly sources would be useless as well. In this day and age, this is becoming a very hairy point for the internet, and it doesn't matter which light things are viewed in - except for the attorneys and judges. One nasty incident could get Allan dipped in deep doo-doo, and this great site would be gone before you could say Habeas Corpus. Careless use and dissemination of information is the new legal playing field - and those boys play rugby with spiky German Kaiser helmets on! So, to quote Nancy Reagan, 'Just say No Thanks'. Abstinence is always best. HTH, DB -----Original Message----- From: skarver@banet.net To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Saturday, February 05, 2000 1:23 PM Subject: Posting = Copyright infringent? >The recent offer of >Witold Kozakiewicz to >supply the ww1 list with >some scans of a museum >DFW? previously published >in a Czech? magazine for >posting to the list’s >images area was met with >an immediate retort that >such a posting would be >in violation of copyright >law. >Can someone provide the >legal skinny on why such >a posting cannot be >viewed as falling under >the doctrine of 'fair >use' and be protected? > >Certainly the public and >academic libraries I have >used can not only supply >me with copyrighted >material but with the >means to copy it—to wit, >providing a roomful of >copiers--without >incurring legal liability >because of this doctrine >of fair use. Cannot the >posting to a Web site of >a limited selection of >images for essentially >private research >interests be viewed in >the same light? >Regards, >Stef > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 13:56:46 -0600 From: James Elkins To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Info on Clifton Cottrel, 91st Aero Sq. Message-ID: <001201bf70dc$6a6e6900$29713ed8@JamesElkins> > Anyone have any info on this lucky man from San Jose who piloted > observation planes (DH-4s or Salmsons) and survived being shot down 3 > times? Noticed his photo while doing some work-related research > lately... > No joy amongst the 91st or the 12th Aero Squadrons. No reference in Hostile Skies. But I have some other places to check. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 14:32:29 -0600 From: "The Shannons" To: Subject: Re: Aviatik Berg -- Julius Arigi Message-ID: <003c01bf70e1$4a68d500$b44cddcf@shark> Thank you, David. David Calhoun Provided: > Hi Mark, > The FMP book on Air aces of the Austro-Hungarian Empire book has a profle > top & side view of Aviatik D.1 338.02. It is said to be Bela Macourek's > aircraft, not Arigi's. Yes, the article said that Arigi's squadron was sent 338.01 and 338.02 because of the Emperor's promise. Arigi could only fly one of them, and I can't see the other languishing unused. What was said, however, was that he scored his final two victories in 338.02, whether it was his regular plane or not. > Who knows for sure. That's WWI details, for ya. >The stripe is red/white/green from front to back. The 338 series has a >completely different nose than the one in the Flashback kit - it is rounded with >2 side mounted radiators, and 2 Schwerlose MG's run along both sides of the >engine like in the later Albatross D.III (oef). it would require a lot of >scratchbuilding, but anything is possible. Bummer. I was hoping it would be a matter of a few detail changes, not a whole new nose. Mark or Mary Shannon Shingend@ix.netcom.com The early bird may get the worm, but it's the second mouse that gets the cheese ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 14:43:27 -0600 (CST) From: fedders To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: OTF Seminar. Message-ID: On Fri, 4 Feb 2000, Bill Bacon wrote: > Good Friends, > > How many are planning to attend the OTF Seminar? > > Cheers, > > Bill B. > > > I will attend peter ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 17:33:42 -0500 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: OT Contest News Message-ID: <002401bf70f2$390fda40$d40556d1@default> Just back from the contest in Tiitusville FL. (Space Coast). There were about 9 WWI models at the contest and 6 took awards. The 1/72 scale single engine prop category was swept by WWI models. A Toko SSW D.III took third, a Revell Dr.1 took second. and first was had by a Pegasus Albatros W-4. I was proud to represent the List with the W-4. Eric: Jack Gartner's CSM Strutter took a second in 1:48 Allied Prop and it looked great. In addition to the First for the 1:72 prop, I took a third in 1:48 OOB with the Morane Saulnier and a third in 1:72 multi engine with the I'lya. The streaky brown finish described by St.Harry and painstakingly executed by me "Looked a little uneven" according to the judges. They also didn't like Jack's semi gloss strutter finish, "Too Shiny for a WWI". Oh well ;-) sp E-mail smperry@mindspring.com Web Site http://www.freeyellow.com/members8/wwimodeler/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jan 1980 17:01:04 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: OT Contest News Message-ID: <12D6812F.C1FD3C25@bellsouth.net> smperry@mindspring.com wrote: > The > streaky brown finish described by St.Harry and painstakingly executed by me > "Looked a little uneven" according to the judges. They also didn't like > Jack's semi gloss strutter finish, "Too Shiny for a WWI". Oh well ;-) > Charlatans! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 18:08:00 EST From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: OT Contest News Message-ID: <96.bb7eee.25cf58d0@aol.com> Congratulations, Steve! It is always nice to have one's work recognized, even if that isnt why you did it, but I am still shaking my head about the Il'ya thing.... Regards, Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 18:47:25 -0500 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: OT Contest News Message-ID: <006401bf70fc$85e35180$d40556d1@default> Thanks Dave. >but I am still shaking my head about the Il'ya thing.... As far as the judging goes, well "There's no acounting for some people's kids". The 2nd place Dr.1 was a greenish finish with light blue rib tapes. von T somebodyor'nuther's. Exceptionally well turned out model though. sp ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2000 6:11 PM Subject: Re: OT Contest News > > Congratulations, Steve! > > It is always nice to have one's work recognized, even if that isnt why you > did it, > > Regards, > > Dave Z > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 17:59:32 -0600 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: OT Contest News Message-ID: <200002070002.QAA21165@magpie.a001.sprintmail.com> On Sun, 6 Feb 2000 17:36:59 -0500 (EST), smperry@mindspring.com wrote: > Just back from the contest in Tiitusville FL. (Space Coast). There were > about 9 WWI models at the contest and 6 took awards. > > The 1/72 scale single engine prop category was swept by WWI models. A Toko > SSW D.III took third, a Revell Dr.1 took second. and first was had by a > Pegasus Albatros W-4. I was proud to represent the List with the W-4. Congrats! > In addition to the First for the 1:72 prop, I took a third in 1:48 OOB with > the Morane Saulnier and a third in 1:72 multi engine with the I'lya. The > streaky brown finish described by St.Harry and painstakingly executed by me > "Looked a little uneven" according to the judges. They also didn't like > Jack's semi gloss strutter finish, "Too Shiny for a WWI". Oh well ;-) Again, congrats and what do they know? ;-) Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 18:07:41 -0600 From: "Richard Eaton" To: Subject: Re: OT Contest News Message-ID: <005801bf70ff$5beea0c0$ad305d18@austin.rr.com> Super Steve! Your awards were well deserved! Doing that well when there is no 'WWI' or 'Struts and Wires' category is a testament. Forgive the unlearned. Regards, Richard ps. I'm looking at a similar situation in a couple of weeks. All those Me and P- thingies! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2000 4:37 PM Subject: OT Contest News > Just back from the contest in Tiitusville FL. (Space Coast). There were > about 9 WWI models at the contest and 6 took awards. > > The 1/72 scale single engine prop category was swept by WWI models. A Toko > SSW D.III took third, a Revell Dr.1 took second. and first was had by a > Pegasus Albatros W-4. I was proud to represent the List with the W-4. > > Eric: Jack Gartner's CSM Strutter took a second in 1:48 Allied Prop and it > looked great. > > In addition to the First for the 1:72 prop, I took a third in 1:48 OOB with > the Morane Saulnier and a third in 1:72 multi engine with the I'lya. The > streaky brown finish described by St.Harry and painstakingly executed by me > "Looked a little uneven" according to the judges. They also didn't like > Jack's semi gloss strutter finish, "Too Shiny for a WWI". Oh well ;-) > > sp > > E-mail smperry@mindspring.com > Web Site http://www.freeyellow.com/members8/wwimodeler/ > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 04:03:41 -0800 From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Merlin Fdh. G-III Message-ID: <389EB49D.44A5@ricochet.net> On the off chance others might be as cheap as I am and possibly consider building this alleged kit (a list member gave it to me), here are a few observations: All kit parts too thick (what a surprise), especially wings, which are flattish and not really WW I-style aerofoil (sp?) in section either. Also, ribs are perpendicular to leading wing edge rather than parallel (sp?)to direction of flight as they should be. They're generally correct in plan, but the ailerons outlined are for a G-IIIa and a bit to rounded off at the oustide corners. I had a swipe at one of the wings with the orbital sander before noticing the ribs were wrong, and although the can be thinned, one would have to try hot water/heat gun treatment in order to put the required camber in the wings. This is probably more trouble than it's worth, so correct wings might more easily be scratched from card (haven't done this before either). The fuselage is generally correct in outline, although it is to rounded and approximately 6mm underlength. This would be fairly easy to fix, by adding a segment at the end, but then there're the jagged holes where the cockpit and front & rear gunners stations should be. I plan to cut these out square and replace with .030 inserts. Arguably, the saving grace of the fuselage (and the kit in general) is that the plastic is thick enough so that it may be planed off in the appropriate spots to more actually represent the intended aircraft The engine nacelles seem to be roughly the right shape and width, but will need to have contours of the aft 3/4s rounded off, the chunks representing the engines cut off and the nacelle halves hollowed out with a motor-tool to accept scratched or Aeroclub 260 hp D.IVas. The kit parts had both warped and sunken-in sides; I was able to coax most of the warp out of the halves with hot water. Another good thing about Merlin plastic is that it has excellent heat deflection and will not easily deform while you're trying to reshape it (provided you are judicious with boiling water). Although a bit too big/thick, the wheels might be salvaged by sawing them in half to at least reduce their thickness. The metal bits are barely useable, although they are pitted and some are hideously deformed, requiring reshaping. Note that the props are probably more appropriate for Gothas than Fdhs. A lot of trouble would be saved by purchasing the Aeroclub Gotha set from Hannant's or Roll Models. One last thing - decal serials are inaccurate. Don't know what was used for reference, but according to the datafile, there was no 192/17 G.III. However, there's nothing to stop you switching them to make 291/17, but I think the script might be oversized. The above having been said, this is by no means a $30+ model, since in some ways it is more work than a scratchbuild. If you're not interested in this much of a "challenge", but still want to build a Fdh. G-type, go ahead and be gouged for a proper kit. FWIW, Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 18:26:45 -0600 From: "Richard Eaton" To: Subject: Re: Merlin Fdh. G-III Message-ID: <00ca01bf7102$06c04380$ad305d18@austin.rr.com> Yummmm, Sounds tempting Riordan! What kind of man would inflict that kit on a fellow enthusiast! ;-) I admire your tenacity. Regards, Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2000 6:13 PM Subject: Merlin Fdh. G-III > On the off chance others might be as cheap as I am and possibly consider > building this alleged kit (a list member gave it to me), here are a few > observations: > > All kit parts too thick (what a surprise), especially wings, which are > flattish and not really WW I-style aerofoil (sp?) in section either. > Also, ribs are perpendicular to leading wing edge rather than parallel > (sp?)to direction of flight as they should be. They're generally > correct in plan, but the ailerons outlined are for a G-IIIa and a bit to > rounded off at the oustide corners. I had a swipe at one of the wings > with the orbital sander before noticing the ribs were wrong, and > although the can be thinned, one would have to try hot water/heat gun > treatment in order to put the required camber in the wings. This is > probably more trouble than it's worth, so correct wings might more > easily be scratched from card (haven't done this before either). > The fuselage is generally correct in outline, although it is to rounded > and approximately 6mm underlength. This would be fairly easy to fix, by > adding a segment at the end, but then there're the jagged holes where > the cockpit and front & rear gunners stations should be. I plan to cut > these out square and replace with .030 inserts. Arguably, the saving > grace of the fuselage (and the kit in general) is that the plastic is > thick enough so that it may be planed off in the appropriate spots to > more actually represent the intended aircraft > The engine nacelles seem to be roughly the right shape and width, but > will need to have contours of the aft 3/4s rounded off, the chunks > representing the engines cut off and the nacelle halves hollowed out > with a motor-tool to accept scratched or Aeroclub 260 hp D.IVas. The kit > parts had both warped and sunken-in sides; I was able to coax most of > the warp out of the halves with hot water. Another good thing about > Merlin plastic is that it has excellent heat deflection and will not > easily deform while you're trying to reshape it (provided you are > judicious with boiling water). > Although a bit too big/thick, the wheels might be salvaged by sawing > them in half to at least reduce their thickness. > The metal bits are barely useable, although they are pitted and some are > hideously deformed, requiring reshaping. Note that the props are > probably more appropriate for Gothas than Fdhs. A lot of trouble would > be saved by purchasing the Aeroclub Gotha set from Hannant's or Roll > Models. > One last thing - decal serials are inaccurate. Don't know what was used > for reference, but according to the datafile, there was no 192/17 G.III. > However, there's nothing to stop you switching them to make 291/17, but > I think the script might be oversized. > The above having been said, this is by no means a $30+ model, since in > some ways it is more work than a scratchbuild. If you're not interested > in this much of a "challenge", but still want to build a Fdh. G-type, go > ahead and be gouged for a proper kit. > > FWIW, > > Riordan ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2129 **********************