WWI Digest 2125 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Aviatik (Berg) D1 by Mang521092@aol.com 2) Re: Gothas by mgoodwin@ricochet.net 3) Eduard releases 1/72 and 1/748 by "VIKSproc" 4) Re: Aviatik (Berg) D1 by smperry@mindspring.com 5) Chorozy Model Fdh. G.III/IIIa by mgoodwin@ricochet.net 6) Re: Eduard releases 1/72 and 1/748 by "Matthew Bittner" 7) Re: Gothas by Ray_Boorman@telus.net 8) Re: Chorozy Model Fdh. G.III/IIIa by "Matthew Bittner" 9) MoS Type BB by "Matthew Bittner" 10) RE: Aviatik (Berg) D1 by Shane Weier 11) Re: Eduard releases 1/72 and 1/748 by Ray_Boorman@telus.net 12) Re: Aviatik (Berg) D1 by Martin Speed 13) Re: Aviatik (Berg) D1 by smperry@mindspring.com 14) Re: Eduard releases 1/72 and 1/748 by "Bob Pearson" 15) RE: Eduard releases 1/72 and 1/748 by Shane Weier 16) Re: Eduard releases 1/72 and 1/748 by smperry@mindspring.com 17) Re: Hippo by "David Calhoun" 18) Re: Eduard releases 1/72 and 1/748 by mgoodwin@ricochet.net 19) Re: Hippo by Ray_Boorman@telus.net 20) Re: Aviatik (Berg) D1 by Lyle Lamboley 21) Re: Chorozy Model Fdh. G.III/IIIa by mgoodwin@ricochet.net 22) Re: Gothas by mgoodwin@ricochet.net 23) Re: MoS Type BB by KarrArt@aol.com 24) Re: Hippo by mgoodwin@ricochet.net 25) Re: Aviatik (Berg) D1 by "David Calhoun" 26) Re: MoS Type BB by "Craig Gavin" 27) Re: Eduard releases 1/72 and 1/748 by "Craig Gavin" 28) Re: Aviatik (Berg) D1 by "Craig Gavin" 29) Re: Eduard releases 1/72 and 1/748 by "Craig Gavin" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 20:40:20 EST From: Mang521092@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Aviatik (Berg) D1 Message-ID: <6b.15aa8ef.25cb8804@aol.com> Hi Gang, I am new to this site, and, must say that I enjoy it very much! I am about to start work on the Toko Berg D1, as I do not have anything on this a/c in my files, I am curious about the lozenge decals supplied in the kit. Are the colors accurate, also, does anyone have cockpit info that they would be willing to share? My usual forte is Japanese WWII a/c, but I am discovering the delights of 1/72 scale WWI airplanes!! I have recently heard rumors of the demise of Toko, anyone shed light on this? It would seem that Revell has picked up the moulds. Regards, Mitch Inkster ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 06:10:44 -0800 From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Gothas Message-ID: <389ADD5F.3B56@ricochet.net> Richard Eaton wrote: > On the Toko thing well......archive from the last week should suffice. Tried it, but due to advanced ADD, couldn't figure out how to access the individual messages. So I guess there's a snag, eh? > Rareplanes Gotha! what a way to get back in the swing of things! Fools rush in... > Welcome back noble Riordan! Good to read familiar voices. I was surprised at the relatively low (less than 50) number of messages. Has there been a flame war with casualties since I've been away? R. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 23:28:15 +0100 From: "VIKSproc" To: Subject: Eduard releases 1/72 and 1/748 Message-ID: <0002049496.AA949631006@lysntsmail.oslo.pgs.com> Hei, I am semi-lurching on the list onboard a vessel off the coast of Brazil, just got these news from a Czech friend of mine about Edurard releases. 1/72 - Albatros D.V - available now Albatros D.V. - Profi pack - available mid of Feb. Fokker Dr.1 - April Fokker Dr. 1 Strip down - July Albatros D.III - Autum Fokker E.III - Winter 1/48 - Roland C.II - March P 39D/P 400 - Juni >From Gavia (via Eduard) - Fokker D.II - available Polikarpov Po 2 - April?? Looking forward to get ashore in Rio and visit Copacabana and the Brazilian AF Museum. They have even kept Santos-Dumonts birthplace as a museum, but do not know if I get to visit it in Petropolis. Eders Knut Erik ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 21:24:07 -0500 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: Aviatik (Berg) D1 Message-ID: <006501bf6eb6$eac44de0$810556d1@default> Hi Mitch Welcome to the list. I don't have any references to the Berg other than a photo of the one in the Chalplan Museum in Arizona. I'm sure somene else on the list might have a photo or drawing of the cockpit I did build the Toko kit straight out of the box. There are photos on my site (URL below) if you want to see what the loz looks like when applied. As to the Toko demise, I've heard that it is true and Revell Germany has the molds. Regards sp http://www.freeyellow.com/members8/wwimodeler/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 06:18:50 -0800 From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Chorozy Model Fdh. G.III/IIIa Message-ID: <389ADFCA.E96@ricochet.net> Anyone have any info on this? I'd really like to avoid the belt sander job required for the Merlin kit - especially since I don't own a belt or even orbital sander. Rio(rdan) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 20:28:07 -0600 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Eduard releases 1/72 and 1/748 Message-ID: <200002040230.SAA16188@magpie.a001.sprintmail.com> On Thu, 3 Feb 2000 21:26:45 -0500 (EST), VIKSproc wrote: > I am semi-lurching on the list onboard a vessel off the coast of Brazil, > just got these news from a Czech friend of mine about Edurard releases. > > > 1/72 - Albatros D.V - available now > Albatros D.V. - Profi pack - available mid of Feb. > Fokker Dr.1 - April > Fokker Dr. 1 Strip down - July > Albatros D.III - Autum > Fokker E.III - Winter YES!!!! Finally, a D.III. Isn't that awesome! Time to sell those Pegasus kits! Anybody want any? ;-) Or how about an Xtraparts vac? However, personally it would be more awesome if there was a SPAD 7 and/or 13 in that list. :-( Maybe next year? Missing from that list, though, was the Fokker F.I. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 18:32:57 -0800 From: Ray_Boorman@telus.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Gothas Message-ID: <200002040232.SAA12393@smtpout.telus.net> Dont know about flame wars but everyone is probably ducking below keyboard height since some 13th century confused Scottish Welsh ?? types have been catapulting plague ridden 1/72 scale bodies wrapped in Lozenge on the list. The Toko thing; Synopsis is Toko are defunct, Revell Germany have bought the molds as of last week. Supposedly the molds include said Gotha's but I would suspect it will be a while before Revell issue them. (1 or 2 years maybe but thats my personal opinion only) I think that about covers it. Ray (Going back to my biohazard suit to avoid those correct scale plague victims) On 3 Feb 00, at 21:20, mgoodwin@ricochet.net wrote: > Richard Eaton wrote: > > > On the Toko thing well......archive from the last week should > > suffice. > > Tried it, but due to advanced ADD, couldn't figure out how to access > the individual messages. So I guess there's a snag, eh? > > > Rareplanes Gotha! what a way to get back in the swing of things! > > Fools rush in... > > > Welcome back noble Riordan! > > Good to read familiar voices. I was surprised at the relatively low > (less than 50) number of messages. Has there been a flame war with > casualties since I've been away? > > R. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 20:30:00 -0600 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Chorozy Model Fdh. G.III/IIIa Message-ID: <200002040232.SAA18796@raven.a001.sprintmail.com> On Thu, 3 Feb 2000 21:29:28 -0500 (EST), mgoodwin@ricochet.net wrote: > Anyone have any info on this? I'd really like to avoid the belt sander > job required for the Merlin kit - especially since I don't own a belt or > even orbital sander. Roll can get them. However, be prepared to pay at least US$60 for it!!! Another thing to be wary of, the wings are all resin. While they're split in half, I still wouldn't trust them. I have heard it's an excellent kit - the detail is supposed to be outstanding - but there are those long, resin wings... Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 20:32:00 -0600 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: MoS Type BB Message-ID: <200002040234.SAA20105@raven.a001.sprintmail.com> Unfortunately I show little to no references for the Morane-Saulnier Type BB. Anybody have any besides the FMP book? I am so looking forward to the CMk MoS Type AI... Anybody want a Merlin Type AI? ;-) Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 12:43:44 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Aviatik (Berg) D1 Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1C9C@mimhexch.mim.com.au> It's just little ol' nitpicker me.... > I did build the Toko kit straight out of the box. There are > photos on my > site (URL below) if you want to see what the loz looks like > when applied. > Usually called "hex" not "loz" on account of the coloured bits are "hexagons" not "lozenges". A minor point, but it save dummies like me getting confused. Mind you, it could be worse. At least no-one is calling streaky dope "loz" or Brumowski distribution "loz" or hand painted polygons "loz" or stepped bands "loz" etc. so I only have to distinguish between *two* possibilities :-) Shane (the unreconstructed pedant) ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 18:43:00 -0800 From: Ray_Boorman@telus.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Eduard releases 1/72 and 1/748 Message-ID: <200002040242.SAA18591@smtpout.telus.net> On 3 Feb 00, at 21:35, Matthew Bittner wrote: > However, personally it would be more awesome if there was a SPAD > 7 and/or 13 in that list. :-( Maybe next year? > If we all go search through our model treasure chests for those Revell and Esci Spads XIII's and start building all at once. You know Eduard will feel the vibes and the Spad VII will issue forth in a flash. I know Revell and Esci are XIII's but I want a VII first please. On a serious note can a decent VII be built from the Airfix model or combination of Airfix and the other two 13's. Before anyone strikes me dead as anti Airfix (I aint by the way), I have never really looked at the Spad VII but there is one in the local model store so if its not a bad model i was going to buy it. Ray ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 21:46:27 -0400 From: Martin Speed To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Aviatik (Berg) D1 Message-ID: <389A2F73.2504@eos.net> I also have the Toko Berg. I've bought other kits by them (Pfalz DXII, Siemens-Shuckert) where it's plain to see that the lozenge colors are way off--off enough that rumor had it that Toko would re-release these models with more accurate decals at some future date. Anyway, I read a kit review in Windsock about the Berg. The reviewer also said that the colors for the decals weren't right and recommended decals from Americal/Gryphon instead. These replacement decals happened to arrive in the mail today. Now I'm not too sure about the accuracy of those decals either! I'd also like to know more about the "demise of Toko." -- -Martin Speed of Cincinnati, OH- You are cordially invited to visit my terrific web site: http://www2.eos.net/speed/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 21:47:32 -0500 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: Aviatik (Berg) D1 Message-ID: <007f01bf6eba$2f9db3e0$810556d1@default> I reckon I've had the Hex put on me :-) sp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 18:48:50 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Eduard releases 1/72 and 1/748 Message-ID: <200002040250.SAA17402@mail.rapidnet.net> > On a serious note can a decent VII be built from the Airfix model or > combination of Airfix and the other two 13's. Before anyone strikes > me dead as anti Airfix (I aint by the way), I have never really looked > at the Spad VII but there is one in the local model store so if its not > a bad model i was going to buy it. I like it. . the wings are very heavy on the rib detail, but when done it looks like a VII to me Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 12:51:45 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Eduard releases 1/72 and 1/748 Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1C9D@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Matt; > YES!!!! Finally, a D.III. Isn't that awesome! I hear they pantographed it down from the Glencoe ;-) > However, personally it would be more awesome if there was a SPAD > 7 and/or 13 in that list. :-( Maybe next year? French stuff? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha ! Eduard wants to stay in business. Seriously though, if they won't make me a 1/48 SPAD 7 I can't see us getting a 1/72 one. And while the Dragon SPAD 13 is still around I don't see them doing a 13 at all, since it'd require a bunch of research which would only be recoupped through the teeny scale community. Mind you, a 1/48 SPAD 7 is #1 on my wish list, so I can only hope I'm wrong. > Missing from that list, though, was the Fokker F.I. Good. Plenty of other subjects still to be kitted without bothering with that one. All it causes is arguments about cowl colours :-) Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 21:51:18 -0500 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: Eduard releases 1/72 and 1/748 Message-ID: <008501bf6eba$b6912080$810556d1@default> The raised rib detail is too much like corregated tin to sand off without loosing significant area of the wing. I intend to fill in the "trenches" and then sand the wing, I should get a scale like appearance without loosing ant wing. The fuselage looks decent. YMMV sp > On a serious note can a decent VII be built from the Airfix model or > combination of Airfix and the other two 13's. Before anyone strikes > me dead as anti Airfix (I aint by the way), I have never really looked > at the Spad VII but there is one in the local model store so if its not > a bad model i was going to buy it. > > Ray ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 21:52:24 -0800 From: "David Calhoun" To: Subject: Re: Hippo Message-ID: <004801bf7066$5905f140$24083ccc@oemcomputer> Thanks for the info on Hippo. Guess I can wait a little while for the Eduard version to come out. What's the process of making an injected molded kit from a resin master? I didn't know that it was possible. Dave Calhoun -----Original Message----- From: Peter Leonard To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 10:41 PM Subject: Re: Hippo >Ray..."Flashback did produce the other model Hippo had which was the berg >btw, so perhaps the Macchi is next up." > >Yes it is > >Peter >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 06:51:59 -0800 From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Eduard releases 1/72 and 1/748 Message-ID: <389AE78F.28AA@ricochet.net> Ray_Boorman@telus.net wrote: > On a serious note can a decent VII be built from the Airfix model or > combination of Airfix and the other two 13's. Before anyone strikes > me dead as anti Airfix (I aint by the way), I have never really looked > at the Spad VII but there is one in the local model store so if its not a bad model i was going to buy it AFAICR, the major problem with the Airfix kit is the grotesque wash-board wings; the fuselage isn't bad, although some squinty work with a pin is required to open up ventilation holes in the cylinder head fairings and the prop and gun are junk. I've not tried this myself, but it seems to me wings from the Revell or Academy kits might be bashed with the Airfix VII. R. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 19:07:28 -0800 From: Ray_Boorman@telus.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Hippo Message-ID: <200002040307.TAA03857@smtpout.telus.net> I have no clue how its done but its been rumoured that some injected 1/72 scale models have been copies of Czechmasters Resin releases. I would suspect that a model or in the case of Hippo the master for one is used as the starting point of a master for the other. Neither of which have to be resin btw. Ray On 3 Feb 00, at 21:57, David Calhoun wrote: > Thanks for the info on Hippo. Guess I can wait a little while for the > Eduard version to come out. What's the process of making an injected > molded kit from a resin master? I didn't know that it was possible. > Dave Calhoun -----Original Message----- From: Peter Leonard > To: Multiple recipients of list > Date: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 10:41 PM > Subject: Re: Hippo > > > >Ray..."Flashback did produce the other model Hippo had which was the > >berg btw, so perhaps the Macchi is next up." > > > >Yes it is > > > >Peter > >______________________________________________________ > >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 22:13:05 -0500 From: Lyle Lamboley To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Aviatik (Berg) D1 Message-ID: <20000203.221307.-118275.6.lyle.lamboley@juno.com> Hi Mitch, Welcome to this great site--we are all a merry band of WWI aeroplane lovers, 1/72, 1/4 scale or full-scale! I don't know if the lozenge on the Berg is as inaccurate as the lozenge for the Pfalz D.XII or Siemens-Schuckert D.III; perhaps one of our Austro-Hungarian experts here can offer more suggestions. Best, Lyle >On Thu, 3 Feb 2000 20:45:44 -0500 (EST) Mang521092@aol.com writes: > Hi Gang, > > I am new to this site, and, must say that I enjoy it very much! I > am about > to start work on the Toko Berg D1, as I do not have anything on this > a/c in > my files, I am curious about the lozenge decals supplied in the kit. > Are the > colors accurate, also, does anyone have cockpit info that they would > be > willing to share? My usual forte is Japanese WWII a/c, but I am > discovering > the delights of 1/72 scale WWI airplanes!! > > I have recently heard rumors of the demise of Toko, anyone shed > light on > this? It would seem that Revell has picked up the moulds. > > Regards, > Mitch Inkster ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 07:15:14 -0800 From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Chorozy Model Fdh. G.III/IIIa Message-ID: <389AED02.6C61@ricochet.net> Matthew Bittner wrote: > > Roll can get them. However, be prepared to pay at least US$60 > for it!!! Another thing to be wary of, the wings are all resin. > While they're split in half, I still wouldn't trust them. I have > heard it's an excellent kit - the detail is supposed to be > outstanding - but there are those long, resin wings... Well for 60+ bloody bones the resin wings will never be a problem for yours truly! Guess I'm off to buy a sander...at least the Merlin will build into a *sturdy*, if not particularly accurate model. Thanks for the info and dashing my hopes :) R. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 07:18:20 -0800 From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Gothas Message-ID: <389AEDBC.4315@ricochet.net> Ray_Boorman@telus.net wrote: > > The Toko thing; Synopsis is Toko are defunct, Aw, hell. I'm away for a few months and you guys let something like this happen? :( Revell Germany > have bought the molds as of last week. Supposedly the molds > include said Gotha's but I would suspect it will be a while before > Revell issue them. (1 or 2 years maybe but thats my personal > opinion only) Here's hoping your wrong... R. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 22:29:22 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: MoS Type BB Message-ID: <66.15eec4d.25cba192@aol.com> In a message dated 2/3/00 6:38:20 PM Pacific Standard Time, tbittners@sprintmail.com writes: << Unfortunately I show little to no references for the Morane-Saulnier Type BB. Anybody have any besides the FMP book? >> a quick scrounge-'round popped up with the plans in the Aircraft Archive series Vol3....some Peter Cooksley drawings. I have no idea how accurate they may be. RK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 07:31:41 -0800 From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Hippo Message-ID: <389AF0DD.3F88@ricochet.net> Ray_Boorman@telus.net wrote: > > I have no clue how its done but its been rumoured that some > injected 1/72 scale models have been copies of Czechmasters > Resin releases. I suspect this to be the case with the Merlin Breguet 14 and Roland D.II kits, which are remarkable exceptions to the company's usual clunk-chunks. R. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 22:38:25 -0800 From: "David Calhoun" To: Subject: Re: Aviatik (Berg) D1 Message-ID: <014d01bf706c$c6938a00$24083ccc@oemcomputer> I took a look at the 2 FMP books - in Air aces of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, and in Austro-Hungarian Army Aircraft. The first book has a good profile of the Aviatik D.1, and the colors are just about the same as the 1/48 scale Americal decals. The decals are slightly darker than the profile, especially the gray and red brown. The 2 greens are just about right. In the second book the profile shows a lot lighter colors. I don't know if my copy has a lighter ink, or it was a sun faded aircraft. There were many variations I'm sure in the paint that Aviatik used - the hexagons were painted on, not lozenge fabric. I think the Americal decals look very good, and used them on my 1/48 scale Berg in Frank Linke-Crawford's markings on the Sierra vac. (Done long before the new kit). Also on this aircraft the fuselage band should be black, not red (according to the front cover painting of the windsock datafile). Hope this helps. Dave Calhoun -----Original Message----- From: Lyle Lamboley To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Thursday, February 03, 2000 7:22 PM Subject: Re: Aviatik (Berg) D1 >Hi Mitch, >Welcome to this great site--we are all a merry band of WWI aeroplane >lovers, 1/72, 1/4 scale or full-scale! I don't know if the lozenge on >the Berg is as inaccurate as the lozenge for the Pfalz D.XII or >Siemens-Schuckert D.III; perhaps one of our Austro-Hungarian experts here >can offer more suggestions. >Best, >Lyle > >>On Thu, 3 Feb 2000 20:45:44 -0500 (EST) Mang521092@aol.com writes: >> Hi Gang, >> >> I am new to this site, and, must say that I enjoy it very much! I >> am about >> to start work on the Toko Berg D1, as I do not have anything on this >> a/c in >> my files, I am curious about the lozenge decals supplied in the kit. >> Are the >> colors accurate, also, does anyone have cockpit info that they would >> be >> willing to share? My usual forte is Japanese WWII a/c, but I am >> discovering >> the delights of 1/72 scale WWI airplanes!! >> >> I have recently heard rumors of the demise of Toko, anyone shed >> light on >> this? It would seem that Revell has picked up the moulds. >> >> Regards, >> Mitch Inkster > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 21:51:12 -0600 From: "Craig Gavin" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: MoS Type BB Message-ID: <200002040353.VAA08951@postoffice6.ipa.net> Matt - Aircragt Archive: Aircraft of WWI, Vol. 3 has a 3-view plan in 1/72nd scale drawn by Peter Cooksley. There's also some scrap views of some details. There's two b&w photo (1 rearview & 1 3/4 front view) pretty dark & not much clarity of detail. I could scan and send if you desire. Let me know. - Craig Gavin ---------- >From: "Matthew Bittner" >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: MoS Type BB >Date: Thu, Feb 3, 2000, 8:40 PM > > Unfortunately I show little to no references for the > Morane-Saulnier Type BB. Anybody have any besides the FMP book? > > I am so looking forward to the CMk MoS Type AI... Anybody > want a Merlin Type AI? ;-) > > > Matt Bittner > http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook > http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 22:08:19 -0600 From: "Craig Gavin" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Eduard releases 1/72 and 1/748 Message-ID: <200002040408.WAA13842@postoffice4.ipa.net> Hey, I am new but your lamenting the lack of a good 1/72nd kit of a SPAD hits me where I live. Meikraft kitted a SPAD S.XIII C.1. I think they were among some of their last kits, circa 1996 (?). Certainly not up to the quality of an Eduard's or Toko, but a far better kit than either the Revell or Esci. Czech Master also made a resin kit of the S.XIII. I got one through Aviation USK. AFAIC it has pretty soft in detail and my copy arrived badly warped. I've never felt like getting the boiling water out to see if I can correct it to the point of building it. Lord, I wish someone would come out with a S.XII or S.XIII in 1/72nd. As it stands, I might have to break ranks and build the Dragon kit in 1/48. Plainly a heresy IMO. I can't understand how there can be so many mfgrs. kitting H-B W.29's and Sopwith Strutters, and not have descent SPAD. Go figure - Craig Gavin ---------- >From: Ray_Boorman@telus.net >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: Eduard releases 1/72 and 1/748 >Date: Thu, Feb 3, 2000, 8:47 PM > > On 3 Feb 00, at 21:35, Matthew Bittner wrote: >> However, personally it would be more awesome if there was a SPAD >> 7 and/or 13 in that list. :-( Maybe next year? >> > If we all go search through our model treasure chests for those > Revell and Esci Spads XIII's and start building all at once. You > know Eduard will feel the vibes and the Spad VII will issue forth in a > flash. > > I know Revell and Esci are XIII's but I want a VII first please. > > On a serious note can a decent VII be built from the Airfix model or > combination of Airfix and the other two 13's. Before anyone strikes > me dead as anti Airfix (I aint by the way), I have never really looked > at the Spad VII but there is one in the local model store so if its not > a bad model i was going to buy it. > > Ray ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 22:13:18 -0600 From: "Craig Gavin" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Aviatik (Berg) D1 Message-ID: <200002040412.WAA14164@postoffice4.ipa.net> A week ago I tried to compare the Toko Berg kit to the plans in the WS Datafile and I couldn't determine which version it's supposed to be. Anybody have any idea? Or how it can be modified to be more accurate? - Is the Areoclub kit, especially the fuselage, more accurate? - Craig Gavin ---------- >From: Martin Speed >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: Aviatik (Berg) D1 >Date: Thu, Feb 3, 2000, 8:50 PM > > I also have the Toko Berg. I've bought other kits by them (Pfalz DXII, > Siemens-Shuckert) where it's plain to see that the lozenge colors are way > off--off enough that rumor had it that Toko would re-release these models > with more accurate decals at some future date. Anyway, I read a kit review > in Windsock about the Berg. The reviewer also said that the colors for the > decals weren't right and recommended decals from Americal/Gryphon > instead. These replacement decals happened to arrive in the mail today. > Now I'm not too sure about the accuracy of those decals either! > > I'd also like to know more about the "demise of Toko." > -- > -Martin Speed of Cincinnati, OH- > You are cordially invited to visit my terrific web site: > http://www2.eos.net/speed/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 22:17:28 -0600 From: "Craig Gavin" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Eduard releases 1/72 and 1/748 Message-ID: <200002040417.WAA14412@postoffice4.ipa.net> Rosemont Hobbies sells a Rosepart F.1 wing for the 1/72nd Revell. I plan on trying one on a spare Hawkeye version. - Craig Gavin ---------- >From: Shane Weier >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: RE: Eduard releases 1/72 and 1/748 >Date: Thu, Feb 3, 2000, 8:55 PM > > Matt; > > >> YES!!!! Finally, a D.III. Isn't that awesome! > > I hear they pantographed it down from the Glencoe ;-) > >> However, personally it would be more awesome if there was a SPAD >> 7 and/or 13 in that list. :-( Maybe next year? > > French stuff? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha ! Eduard wants to stay in > business. > > Seriously though, if they won't make me a 1/48 SPAD 7 I can't see us getting > a 1/72 one. And while the Dragon SPAD 13 is still around I don't see them > doing a 13 at all, since it'd require a bunch of research which would only > be recoupped through the teeny scale community. > > Mind you, a 1/48 SPAD 7 is #1 on my wish list, so I can only hope I'm wrong. > >> Missing from that list, though, was the Fokker F.I. > > Good. Plenty of other subjects still to be kitted without bothering with > that one. All it causes is arguments about cowl colours :-) > > Shane > > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************************************** > The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential > and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). > If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution > or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are > requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems > to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. > E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. > ************************************************************** ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2125 **********************