WWI Digest 2118 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: 65 Individual Cross & Cockades (USA) on eBay by Ernest Thomas 2) Re: First kits by Ernest Thomas 3) Bethold Markings by "David Vosburgh" 4) Ni 17 Vickers mounting by skarver@banet.net 5) Re: Fokker D VI by "Matthew Bittner" 6) Re: Re.8 Seatbelts by "Matthew Bittner" 7) Re: Fokker D VI by Martin Speed 8) Re: Fokker D VI by "Matthew Bittner" 9) Re: csm d.vii parts by ERIC HIGHT 10) Re: Pfalz DIII or DIIIa by Albatrosdv@aol.com 11) Re: Bethold Markings by Albatrosdv@aol.com 12) RE: Fokker D VI by "Peter Leonard" 13) Re: An Old Fart Remembers by Ray_Boorman@telus.net 14) Re: An Old Fart Remembers by "Brad Gossen" 15) Re: Fokker D VI by Steve Cox 16) Re: Antiques and such by GRBroman@aol.com 17) Re: Air classics by GRBroman@aol.com 18) Re: An Old Fart Remembers by Albatrosdv@aol.com 19) RE: An Old Fart Remembers by "Graham Nash" 20) Re: First kits by Albatrosdv@aol.com 21) Re: First kits by Lyle Lamboley 22) Re: If I were to pitch a Hollywood script.... by Lyle Lamboley 23) Re: Bethold Markings by Ernest Thomas 24) Re: First kits by Ernest Thomas 25) RE: Fokker D VI by Shane Weier 26) RE: Fokker D VI by Shane Weier 27) RE: Fokker D VI by "Peter Leonard" 28) RE: Fokker D VI by "Matthew Bittner" 29) Aeromaster by Lyle Lamboley 30) Re: Fokker D VI by Martin Speed 31) Re: First kits by KarrArt@aol.com 32) Re: First kits by KarrArt@aol.com 33) Re: First kits by KarrArt@aol.com 34) Re: First kits by Zulis@aol.com 35) Re: Fokker D VI by "David C. Fletcher" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 06 Jan 1980 09:20:54 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 65 Individual Cross & Cockades (USA) on eBay Message-ID: <12D61555.383F3C9E@bellsouth.net> Fernando Lamas wrote: > > Although there are 65 different issues, Ernest and David Burke may want > to choose one particular issue to fight over. ;-) > I'm just waiting for Dave to express an interest in one. As soon as he does, "bitemedave" will come out of hiding. E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jan 1980 09:34:33 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: First kits Message-ID: <12D61889.815B5F18@bellsouth.net> KarrArt@aol.com wrote: > Ialmost seriously- just about everybody I've talked to about this movie agrees > that getting rid of Susan Sarondon(sp?) this way was the highlight of the > movie. First time I saw it I was sitting around with some friends watching it > on TV- when she took the fall, everybody cheered- and we weren't even drunk! I saw this movie at the drive-in when I was a kid, maybe just 8 or 9.(double feature with some Robbie Benson flick, which is how I got my big sister to take me to see it) Like SP, I was more disturbed when Ezra burned than when Janet Wiess fell.(yes, she'll always be Janet Wiess to me). I guess the preference of falling over buring is universal. But afaic, the entire cast could have been devoured by bunny rabbits and the flying scenes would have redeemed the flick. I can even still sit through that awful David Caradine flick. You know, the one staring the Pitts. E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 11:06:24 -0500 From: "David Vosburgh" To: "WWI Mailing List" Subject: Bethold Markings Message-ID: <001901bf6b3b$f79a72c0$81d690d0@Pvosburg> Hi All My oldest son's (13) next up is the Eduard Pfalz D.IIIa. I got him the non-Profipack version for Christmas, but the problem is that he's decided he wants to do Berthold's machine... Can anybody a.) swap/sell us the Berthold decals from the Profipack kit? or b.) tell us if the markings are available on an a/m decal sheet? TIA, DV ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 11:36:13 -0500 From: skarver@banet.net To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Ni 17 Vickers mounting Message-ID: <3894687C.67D6E6F2@banet.net> Some questions about Vickers gun details on the the Nieuport 17. 1. Is the external spent cartridge channel shown in Bruce's photo 46 in Nieuport Aircraft the standard? Or did some have an internal chute with an exit port on the bottom of the fuselage? 2. There is a 'pin' at the level of the cowl mounting strap. Is this a piece of MG mounting hardware? Is there another on the (unseen) right side? I think that's picky enough for a Sunday morning. TIA to all & regards, Stef ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 10:52:53 -0600 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Fokker D VI Message-ID: <200001301655.IAA00270@magpie.a001.sprintmail.com> On Sun, 30 Jan 2000 03:27:42 -0500 (EST), Brent & Tina Theobald wrote: > I am looking for a little help with my Fokker D VI. Is there a handy > reference source for this little beast? All I really want is a little > reference so I paint it in camo instead of lozenge. Just like on the > Tom's Modelworks box. While the concensus is - like Bob and E said - they were all over five color, keep in mind the *only* pictures we know of for the D.VI are those that flew with Jasta 80b. AFAIK, there are no pictures showing the D.VI in service with the other two (or three?) Jasta's that are reported to fly the D.VI, nor are there photo's showing the D.VI in Jastaschule service. I know one person who's building a D.VI and finishing it in mauve/green, and is taking the opinion for the people to prove it to him it didn't exist. :-) Dicta Ira all the way! Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 11:00:00 -0600 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Re.8 Seatbelts Message-ID: <200001301702.JAA03838@magpie.a001.sprintmail.com> On Sun, 30 Jan 2000 03:32:01 -0500 (EST), Brent & Tina Theobald wrote: > I am a little disappointed with my Re.8 Datafile. I can't find a clear > indication of how to make and attach seat belts. All I have found is one > shot with a seat belt hanging out of the cockpit. Was the Re.8 equipped > with just a lap belt or was there a shoulder harness tossed in there > too? Why not check Alberto's images on the site? Have you seen this man's Re.8? Here's what I have in my database for the Re.8 (sorry about the HTML - my program isn't working correctly right now): Modeling Publications
Manufacturer:RAF
EraPublicationIssueTypeOther NamePage Number(s)Article Description
WW1Datafile24RE8
WW1Over the FrontVol 10 No 03RE8BCColor illustrations
WW1Over the FrontVol 10 No 03RE8278-2791/48th scale drawings
WW1Profile085RE8
WW1Vintage Warbirds01RE845Photo's of uncovered noses
WW1WindsockVol 07 No 01RE822-231/72nd scale scratchbuilt
WW1WindsockVol 12 No 06RE818-211/48th Aeroclub in-depth review
WW1WindsockVol 12 No 06RE8IFCCockpit color photo's
WW1WW1 Aero107RE856-57Cockpits/Instruments
WW1WW1 Aero127RE869,72Three-view drawings
WW1WW1 Aero127RE866,73,74Cockpits/Instruments
WW1WW1 Aero136RE848-58Photo's
WW1WW1 Aero136RE851-53,55,57Cockpit & internal photo's
WW1WW1 Aero148RE8133Rear cockpit detail
WW1WW1 Aero154RE818,21Detailed GA drawings
WW1WW1 Aero154RE819-20Detailed cockpit drawings
WW1WW1 Aero154RE816-21Feature article part 3
WW1Scale Aviation Modeller InternationalVol 03 No 04RE8221-2221/48th Aeroclub review
Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 12:23:42 -0400 From: Martin Speed To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Fokker D VI Message-ID: <3894658E.724@eos.net> I'll express the minority view that not all Fokker D6s were covered with lozenge. For example, some that flew at the Russian front used green and purple camouflage. -- -Martin Speed of Cincinnati, OH- You are cordially invited to visit my terrific web site: http://www2.eos.net/speed/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 11:27:50 -0600 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Fokker D VI Message-ID: <200001301730.JAA12237@crow.a001.sprintmail.com> On Sun, 30 Jan 2000 12:26:26 -0500 (EST), Martin Speed wrote: > I'll express the minority view that not all Fokker D6s were covered with > lozenge. For example, some that flew at the Russian front used green and > purple camouflage. Do you have references for those? Always looking for more D.VI stuff... :-) Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 10:26:46 -0700 From: ERIC HIGHT To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: csm d.vii parts Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20000130102646.0090f390@pop.amug.org> to all those who ordered the d.vii panel and/or rad pieces they finally arrived in my hands!!!!!!! your orders will go out on monday. i appologize for the long wait, but they are here and going out the door. thanks again regards, eric ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 12:41:45 EST From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Pfalz DIII or DIIIa Message-ID: <9.17809dd.25c5d1d9@aol.com> In a message dated 00-01-30 03:57:49 EST, you write: << Which is the preferred option for an out of the box build: The Eduard Pfalz DIII or the DIIIa? >> Either is fine. the discussion centered around the bad decals in the D.IIIa kit and suggested a modeler would want to obtain Aeromaster 48-185 "Pfalz Fighter Collection Part 1," if they wanted to do Vzfw Holzem's airplane. HTH Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 12:45:34 EST From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Bethold Markings Message-ID: In a message dated 00-01-30 11:07:29 EST, Dave Vosburgh writes: << Can anybody a.) swap/sell us the Berthold decals from the Profipack kit? or b.) tell us if the markings are available on an a/m decal sheet? >> 48-185, "Pfalz Fighter Collection Part 1." It has Holzem's and Berthold's. HTH Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 17:46:39 GMT From: "Peter Leonard" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Fokker D VI Message-ID: <20000130174639.84657.qmail@hotmail.com> Theres a very fuzzy picture in the FMP A-H Aircraft book showing a post-war Hungarian DVI. Just blurred enough to be wide open to a speculative finish ;) Peter L Lancashire & Cheshire Branch http://www.storks.cwc.net http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com PeterL@cwcom.net ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 10:08:29 -0800 From: Ray_Boorman@telus.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: An Old Fart Remembers Message-ID: <200001301808.KAA13260@smtpout.telus.net> The Valiant would have been a 1/96th scale from Frog. Just to be OT, was there one or two Dogfight doubles from Airfix. One was an RE8 and the dreaded Dr1, but was there another one? Ray On 30 Jan 00, at 4:00, D Charles wrote: > 1st Vickers Valiant V bomber. Probably Frog or Airfix as I > can't imagine much else being available in the more remote regions of > Australia in the late 1950's ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 14:13:06 -0500 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Re: An Old Fart Remembers Message-ID: <000601bf6b56$0ad8c0c0$588c5ad1@The_Grenade.Workgroup> Ray There were three: RE8 vs Roland CII, Bristol F2B vs Fokker DR1 and Albatros vs Camel. Brad -----Original Message----- From: Ray_Boorman@telus.net To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Sunday, January 30, 2000 1:11 PM Subject: Re: An Old Fart Remembers >The Valiant would have been a 1/96th scale from Frog. > >Just to be OT, was there one or two Dogfight doubles from Airfix. >One was an RE8 and the dreaded Dr1, but was there another one? > >Ray >On 30 Jan 00, at 4:00, D Charles wrote: > >> 1st Vickers Valiant V bomber. Probably Frog or Airfix as I >> can't imagine much else being available in the more remote regions of >> Australia in the late 1950's > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 20:10:55 +0000 From: Steve Cox To: Subject: Re: Fokker D VI Message-ID: There is a picture in Munson's 'Fighters 1914-19' showing a DVI used on the Russian front, finished in green/purple, blue underneath. I painted mine in this scheme. It was built from Airfix/Revell Triplane and DVII Regards Steve =========================================== steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk http://www.oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk If I didn't spend so much time on line ‹‹ I'd get some models finished ================ > From: Brent & Tina Theobald > Reply-To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 03:27:38 -0500 (EST) > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Fokker D VI > > Greetings, > > I am looking for a little help with my Fokker D VI. Is there a handy > reference source for this little beast? All I really want is a little > reference so I paint it in camo instead of lozenge. Just like on the > Tom's Modelworks box. > > Thanks! > > Brent > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 15:16:54 EST From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Antiques and such Message-ID: <2d.9e5870.25c5f636@aol.com> In a message dated 1/29/2000 10:06:17 PM EST, artybob@netexpress.net writes: > Hi guys...I've been reading the mail for a week aopr so but now you've > hit me where I live, Strombecker, my home town. For those of you who don't know Bob, let me introduce him. He's forgotten more about W.W.I airplanes and artillery than I ever new. I think I have a slim edge on tanks, but who knows. Bob builds some of the most incredible scratchbuilt planes I've ever seen. 1/48 scale, but then again, you can't have everything. He also scratchbuilds W.W.I artillery pieces. I swear if you could find a 1/35 scale shell and powder charge, they would actually fire. Geez, I hope I haven't given him any ideas... Anyway, Bob's been threatening to get a scanner hooked up so hopefully he'll be able to send some photos to Al in the future. Welcome aboard Bob. Glen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 15:21:53 EST From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Air classics Message-ID: In a message dated 1/30/2000 8:48:49 AM EST, sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes: > Yeah, sure. It's 24C here at the moment (at 23:45) and 90% humidity. Bring a > moisture trap. Thanks Shane, as soon as the roads are plowed and the airport is open, I'll take off. Could be March at this rate. It only took 2 1/2 hours to shovel the drive.... Glen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 15:27:49 EST From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: An Old Fart Remembers Message-ID: <1e.cdaf60.25c5f8c5@aol.com> In a message dated 00-01-30 03:57:52 EST, David writes: << st Vickers Valiant V bomber. Probably Frog >> It definitely was. I even remember building it. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 21:25:33 -0000 From: "Graham Nash" To: Subject: RE: An Old Fart Remembers Message-ID: First one I remeber was an OT Airfix R.E.8. The first one that I can remember painting was an Airfix Spitfire Mk IX (JE-J's markings)but painted from Revell line of primary colour paints which where sold in a six or seven pack with thiners, and in which the yellow was always a crungy mass. I have vague recollections that the Spit's U/Cart ended up red, as that was the only paint that was still usable! Uncle Sniffy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 16:52:01 EST From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: First kits Message-ID: <92.d3864d.25c60c81@aol.com> In a message dated 00-01-30 10:37:13 EST, E writes: << I can even still sit through that awful David Caradine flick. You know, the one staring the Pitts. E. >> "Cloud Dancer." Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 17:19:16 -0500 From: Lyle Lamboley To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: First kits Message-ID: <20000130.173701.-368671.1.lyle.lamboley@juno.com> I had this film...but I taped some Babylon 5 episodes over it. I figured I'd put it to a better use. On Sun, 30 Jan 2000 16:57:15 -0500 (EST) Albatrosdv@aol.com writes: > In a message dated 00-01-30 10:37:13 EST, E writes: > > << I can even still sit through that > awful David Caradine flick. You know, the one staring the Pitts. > E. >> > > > "Cloud Dancer." > > Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 17:37:00 -0500 From: Lyle Lamboley To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: If I were to pitch a Hollywood script.... Message-ID: <20000130.173701.-368671.2.lyle.lamboley@juno.com> Hall's book could lend itself well...but if it's going to be another "Indiana Jones and the Attack of the Hawkmen", then let's get somebody else to make it! On Sat, 29 Jan 2000 19:50:01 -0500 (EST) DavidL1217@aol.com writes: > Let me pitch a script idea that even George Lucas would like: > "Falcons of > France" by Nordhoff and Hall. US protagonist fighting in 'foreign > legion'. > You could use computer animation to portray the actual aircraft in > flight and > make a few ground mockups and cockpiits. Besides as the first > author was > there it was authentic. > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jan 1980 17:41:38 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Bethold Markings Message-ID: <12D68AB1.3E9E488@bellsouth.net> David Vosburgh wrote: > Can anybody a.) swap/sell us the Berthold decals from the Profipack kit? I got em from the Aeromaster set. What's yer address? E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jan 1980 17:44:10 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: First kits Message-ID: <12D68B4A.91B2829E@bellsouth.net> Lyle Lamboley wrote: > I had this film...but I taped some Babylon 5 episodes over it. I figured > I'd put it to a better use. The fast forward feature on the VCR makes it much more tolerable. Same for The Blue Max. E. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 10:58:02 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Fokker D VI Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1C66@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Martin > I'll express the minority view that not all Fokker D6s were > covered with > lozenge. For example, some that flew at the Russian front > used green and purple camouflage. References? Both for the colours and the Russian Front service? I'm always looking for something unusual to prove the exception to the rule, and this is one I've yet to see. Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 11:10:55 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Fokker D VI Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1C68@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Steve, > There is a picture in Munson's 'Fighters 1914-19' or is it a ..."colour profile in Munson's ...." > showing a DVI used on the > Russian front, finished in green/purple, blue underneath. Is there a photo in Munson, or just a profile. Dicta Ira applies of course, but I'm curious to know where the information comes from, and don't have a high opinion of some older references. If it's real, I'll paint mine that way. Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 01:22:15 GMT From: "Peter Leonard" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Fokker D VI Message-ID: <20000131012215.20061.qmail@hotmail.com> Shane...."References? Both for the colours and the Russian Front service? I'm always looking for something unusual to prove the exception to the rule, and this is one I've yet to see." AFAIK the only place this appears is in the old Bladford "Fighters 1914-1918" Many schemes in this book are now considered or known to be innaccurate, but all of them are based on references which were available to the author so it's possibly still out there somewhere. In the meantime Munson is as legitimate a modellers reference as your going to get. Peter L http://www.storks.cwc.net http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com PeterL@cwcom.net ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 19:25:10 -0600 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: RE: Fokker D VI Message-ID: <200001310127.RAA18536@magpie.a001.sprintmail.com> On Sun, 30 Jan 2000 20:15:20 -0500 (EST), Shane Weier wrote: > or is it a ..."colour profile in Munson's ...." Just a color profile. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 20:35:47 -0500 From: Lyle Lamboley To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Aeromaster Message-ID: <20000130.203548.-392075.0.lyle.lamboley@juno.com> Do any of you have any idea when Aeromaster is coming out with their von Richthofen set? I haven't heard much about it except seeing it mentioned at the website. Thanks Lyle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 21:22:30 -0400 From: Martin Speed To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Fokker D VI Message-ID: <3894E3D6.7A3F@eos.net> Well, if ya'll be patient with me I'll attach a color scan of the page I'm referring to. Could be a few days, though. -- -Martin Speed of Cincinnati, OH- You are cordially invited to visit my terrific web site: http://www2.eos.net/speed/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 21:47:47 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: First kits Message-ID: In a message dated 1/29/00 10:49:56 PM Pacific Standard Time, Albatrosdv@aol.com writes: << Goldman says that Hill told him after the great disaster that they should have cast Jack Nicholson, >> Everything else being the same, that would have still made it an entirely different movie! RK ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 21:47:43 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: First kits Message-ID: In a message dated 1/30/00 7:37:13 AM Pacific Standard Time, ethomas6@bellsouth.net writes: << I can even still sit through that awful David Caradine flick. You know, the one staring the Pitts. E. >> Thanks for reminding me of THAT movie...... gimme Dawn Patrol! RK ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 21:47:46 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: First kits Message-ID: <3b.6e8f69.25c651d2@aol.com> In a message dated 1/29/00 11:25:03 PM Pacific Standard Time, Albatrosdv@aol.com writes: << << I have been fortunate not to have witnessed any airshow accidents and hope to keep it that way. >> If I never see another, it will be far too soon. >> I have been lucky. In all the air shows I've been to, I've seen two mishaps- both non-tragic. One year at Chino, a Fokker triplane ground looped with results more comic than anything else. The scary one was at the Harrison Arkansas Airshow of the Ozarks. A Mig was going through its paces- the pilot misjudged a loop and barely pulled up- he did bang the ground, leaving a rooster tail of turf flying behind him. He wobbled back into the air, went around the field, and landed. Later we heard that the plane was pretty much destroyed inside- everything had broken and bent, although from the outside, it didn't look too bad. RK ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 22:49:18 EST From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: First kits Message-ID: <6d.e08923.25c6603e@aol.com> << I have been fortunate not to have witnessed any airshow accidents and hope to keep it that way. >> We have three days of air show on the Labour Day weekend here in Toronto, and there have been a few accidents over the years. Many years ago, one of the Blue Angels crashed into the Toronto Island airport, and only a few years ago a British Nimrod for some totally inexplicable reason just lost airspeed and dropped into Lake Ontario, right in front of the spectators. I suppose the enquiry figured out what had caused it, but I never heard the details. You can prepare for everything that can be anticipated, and even improve your odds for some of the things that arent, but the weird ones will still happen now and then I suppose. Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 18:53:09 -0800 From: "David C. Fletcher" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Fokker D VI Message-ID: <3894F915.E6B7142D@mars.ark.com> Martin Speed wrote: "Well, if ya'll be patient with me I'll attach a color scan of the page I'm referring to. Could be a few days, though." Send it directly to the addressee or all the rest of us will get pages of code - this list doesn't support attachments! Just a friendly word of caution. Dave Fletcher -- Visit us at our Home Page: ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2118 **********************