WWI Digest 2116 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Old Farts & Strombecker by Zulis@aol.com 2) Spad Interiors by smperry@mindspring.com 3) Re: Air classics by GRBroman@aol.com 4) Re: Old Farts & Strombecker by GRBroman@aol.com 5) Re: Old Farts & Strombecker by Albatrosdv@aol.com 6) Re: An old fart remembers by bucky@ptdprolog.net 7) Re: Old Farts & Strombecker by bucky@ptdprolog.net 8) Re: Spad Interiors by Ernest Thomas 9) Re: Old Farts & Strombecker by "Michael S. Alvarado" 10) Re: Spad Interiors by "Michael S. Alvarado" 11) Re: If I were to pitch a Hollywood script.... by DavidL1217@aol.com 12) Re: If I were to pitch a Hollywood script.... by Albatrosdv@aol.com 13) Re: If I were to pitch a Hollywood script.... by "Bob Pearson" 14) Re: If I were to pitch a Hollywood script.... by Ernest Thomas 15) First kits by "Craig Gavin" 16) Re: An Old Fart Remembers by KarrArt@aol.com 17) Re: Old Farts & Strombecker by KarrArt@aol.com 18) Re: An Old Fart Remembers by KarrArt@aol.com 19) Re: Old Farts & Strombecker by KarrArt@aol.com 20) Re: An Old Fart Remembers by KarrArt@aol.com 21) Re: First kits by Lyle Lamboley 22) Re: If I were to pitch a Hollywood script.... by "Charles and Linda Duckworth" 23) Re: An Old Fart Remembers by KarrArt@aol.com 24) Re: First kits by "Matthew Bittner" 25) Antiques and such by Robert Horton 26) Re: An Old Fart Remembers by "Lee Mensinger" 27) Re: If I were to pitch a Hollywood script.... by "cameron rile" 28) 65 Individual Cross & Cockades (USA) on eBay by Fernando Lamas 29) Re: Antiques and such by Suvoroff@aol.com 30) Re: An Old Fart Remembers by Zulis@aol.com 31) Re: First kits by Albatrosdv@aol.com 32) Re: If I were to pitch a Hollywood script.... by "Bob Pearson" 33) Re: Old Farts & Strombecker by Albatrosdv@aol.com 34) Re: First kits by Albatrosdv@aol.com 35) Re: An Old Fart Remembers by "Lee Mensinger" 36) Re: 65 Individual Cross & Cockades (USA) on eBay by "Bob Pearson" 37) Re: First kits by "Craig Gavin" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 17:30:07 EST From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Old Farts & Strombecker Message-ID: <35.b1f0fe.25c4c3ef@aol.com> Matt Z writes... << I remember the Strombecker line when I was in grade school circa late 40's. They made a line of antique locomotives sold with or without coaches. >> Well, Matt covers their early years, and I am almost certain that their last big venture was in the slot car market. My best friend in my early teens and I had a great deal - he scratch-built the fastest slot cars around and I did the paint jobs. I think we used to cannibalize Strombecker slot cars for gears, etc ... I had no idea they had sold wooden model planes. Dave Z nb: Flashback Strutter - closing the fuselage tomorrow. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 18:20:27 -0500 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: Spad Interiors Message-ID: <002201bf6aaf$6e58d600$160d56d1@default> I'm looking at the detail shots of the Spad XIII cockpit & engine bay in the Datafile. I can see that much is made from fairly light colored wood & ply. My question is with the engine bearers that run back through the cockpit. Were these all wood, or did they have one or both sides covered with sheet metal? If metal, what color, natural or lt. gray? TIA sp E-mail smperry@mindspring.com Web Site http://www.freeyellow.com/members8/wwimodeler/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 18:46:00 EST From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Air classics Message-ID: <32.90b1bb.25c4d5b8@aol.com> In a message dated 1/29/2000 1:31:18 PM EST, lemen@wireweb.net writes: > It makes a lot of difference to the person that is there. Minus 5 degrees > Centigrade is Plus 23 degrees Fahrenheit. While minus 5 degrees Fahrenheit > is minus 20.56 degrees Centigrade. A slight difference of 43.56 degree > fahrenheit. Or about 24.6 degrees C. I know I would notice the difference. Well good for you Lee. It's also irrelevant. Whether it's +20 or -20. It's still too damn cold to airbrush in the garage. Yo, Shane. Can I come over to your house and airbrush? :) Glen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 18:46:02 EST From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Old Farts & Strombecker Message-ID: <5a.b325cd.25c4d5ba@aol.com> Even though Strombecker is long gone. Their plant still exists and has a huge white "Strombecker Mfg Company" painted on the side of the building. One of my friends was familiar with the company and they fell on hard times. One of which was that their plant was no longer economical to run. Their kits still pop up quite regularly here. The antique shop down the street had a DeWitt Clinton and an F-94 the last time I was in. I built a few of their kits as a youngster in the early 60's, but I don't ever remember seeing any OT kits. Aurora, however, was a different matter. I loved those WWI kits. Sturdy too. Do you know how many firecrackers it took to bring down a DH-10 or Gotha? I could cry when I think about it now :) Glen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 19:08:45 EST From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Old Farts & Strombecker Message-ID: <97.128d9a9.25c4db0d@aol.com> In a message dated 00-01-29 17:17:41 EST, Matthew Zivich writes: << can't swear by it but I think Strombecker also made scale model solid balsa wood WW2 aircraft perhaps 1/48 or larger. They were definately not toys. The kit included solid blocks of wood for the major parts of the aircraft roughly approximating the silhouettes of the wings and fuselage. I had a Stuka and a Stormovik. >> It was pine, not balsa. Probably the first "scale models" released. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 19:14:21 -0500 From: bucky@ptdprolog.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: An old fart remembers Message-ID: <3893825D.87C52503@ptdprolog.net> Ray_Boorman@telus.net wrote: > On 29 Jan 00, at 6:38, Diego Fernetti wrote: > > cartoons on the TV-. I didn't painted it, nor put the decals on (I > > saved them for my already colorful bicycle) > > Ha I used to use to put any decals left over on my bike, dinky cars, > my brother and I put them all over the mirror, I still use some of the old or unusable ones on the emergency "first aid" kit I take with me to my girl's team basketball games. They get a kick out of it and I must admit it does look VERY tacky.Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 19:15:33 -0500 From: bucky@ptdprolog.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Old Farts & Strombecker Message-ID: <389382A5.F21EB884@ptdprolog.net> I seem to remember a Strombecker model car that was plastic and had a motor in it....is my memory playing tricks on me again? Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jan 1980 18:19:29 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Spad Interiors Message-ID: <12D54210.AA45F3E4@bellsouth.net> smperry@mindspring.com wrote: > My question is with the engine bearers that run back through the cockpit. > Were these all wood, or did they have one or both sides covered with sheet > metal? If metal, what color, natural or lt. gray? > They're all wood in the example pictured in the Osprey book. E. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 19:20:01 -0500 From: "Michael S. Alvarado" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Old Farts & Strombecker Message-ID: <389383B1.D9234BC0@bellatlantic.net> Slot cars were, indeed, Strombecker's last effort. I remember the 1/32 - 1/24 scale slot car craze of the mid sixties. It got to where you could not go near a slot car track without $100+ 1960's dollars worth of super high tech slot car racing machine or you'd laughed/blown off the track. Man those things go fast. Whwn the fad bubble burst a few years later Strombecker folded and a lot of other companies like K&B and Aurora almost went down the tubes with them. Only HO scale slot car racing survived and Aurora lived only about a decade longer turning mediocre (by today's standards) OT subjects into overpriced collector's nostalgia. There some OT content. Alvie Zulis@aol.com wrote: > Matt Z writes... > > << I remember the Strombecker line when I was in grade school circa late > 40's. They > made a line of antique locomotives sold with or without coaches. >> > > Well, Matt covers their early years, and I am almost certain that their last > big venture was in the slot car market. My best friend in my early teens > and I had a great deal - he scratch-built the fastest slot cars around and I > did the paint jobs. I think we used to cannibalize Strombecker slot cars > for gears, etc ... I had no idea they had sold wooden model planes. > > Dave Z > > nb: Flashback Strutter - closing the fuselage tomorrow. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 19:26:03 -0500 From: "Michael S. Alvarado" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Spad Interiors Message-ID: <3893851B.6B53440F@bellatlantic.net> >From photographs of SPAD cockpit interiors that I have seen, the engine/seat mounts were wood with metal capstrips and an occasional reiforcing band or metal fitting. There is an hourglass shaped metal reinforcing web/rudder bar mount between the bearers. Alvie smperry@mindspring.com wrote: > I'm looking at the detail shots of the Spad XIII cockpit & engine bay in the > Datafile. I can see that much is made from fairly light colored wood & ply. > > My question is with the engine bearers that run back through the cockpit. > Were these all wood, or did they have one or both sides covered with sheet > metal? If metal, what color, natural or lt. gray? > > TIA > sp > E-mail smperry@mindspring.com > Web Site http://www.freeyellow.com/members8/wwimodeler/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 19:45:19 EST From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: If I were to pitch a Hollywood script.... Message-ID: <26.13b161f.25c4e39f@aol.com> Let me pitch a script idea that even George Lucas would like: "Falcons of France" by Nordhoff and Hall. US protagonist fighting in 'foreign legion'. You could use computer animation to portray the actual aircraft in flight and make a few ground mockups and cockpiits. Besides as the first author was there it was authentic. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 19:51:46 EST From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: If I were to pitch a Hollywood script.... Message-ID: <4c.1046749.25c4e522@aol.com> In a message dated 00-01-29 19:49:11 EST, you write: << Let me pitch a script idea that even George Lucas would like: "Falcons of France" by Nordhoff and Hall. US protagonist fighting in 'foreign legion'. You could use computer animation to portray the actual aircraft in flight and make a few ground mockups and cockpiits. Besides as the first author was there it was authentic. >> You're right, but being right never stopped anyone from having their ideas rejected by Hollywierd. Got a hundred mil to do it???? Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 17:01:10 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: If I were to pitch a Hollywood script.... Message-ID: <200001300100.RAA02239@mail.rapidnet.net> Sell the idea on ebay ---------- >From: Albatrosdv@aol.com >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: If I were to pitch a Hollywood script.... >Date: Sat, 29 Jan, 2000, 4:56 PM > > In a message dated 00-01-29 19:49:11 EST, you write: > > << Let me pitch a script idea that even George Lucas would like: "Falcons > of > France" by Nordhoff and Hall. US protagonist fighting in 'foreign legion'. > You could use computer animation to portray the actual aircraft in flight > and > make a few ground mockups and cockpiits. Besides as the first author was > there it was authentic. >> > > You're right, but being right never stopped anyone from having their ideas > rejected by Hollywierd. Got a hundred mil to do it???? > > Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jan 1980 19:06:47 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: If I were to pitch a Hollywood script.... Message-ID: <12D54D26.A669BB00@bellsouth.net> Albatrosdv@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 00-01-29 19:49:11 EST, you write: > > << Let me pitch a script idea that even George Lucas would like: "Falcons > of > France" by Nordhoff and Hall. US protagonist fighting in 'foreign legion'. > You could use computer animation to portray the actual aircraft in flight > and > make a few ground mockups and cockpiits. Besides as the first author was > there it was authentic. >> > > You're right, but being right never stopped anyone from having their ideas > rejected by Hollywierd. Got a hundred mil to do it???? Don't forget the catchy tunes and talking rodent. E. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 19:17:02 -0600 From: "Craig Gavin" To: WWI Modelers List Subject: First kits Message-ID: <200001300117.TAA26058@postoffice4.ipa.net> I remember my first kit: it was a Revell HH-19 Air-Sea Rescue helicopter, complete down to a downed pilot to hang on the hoist. It was in 1954, I was 5 yrs. old. My brother-in-law bought for me at a 5 & Dime in Denver against his objection, telling me, "If you're going to build it you'll have to do it alone, 'cause I can't do those things." It was molded in silver, with USAF markings, and a clear plastic stand, the base of which resembled a globe. As i remember, it cost all of about $.60 (boy, have prices changed). And I've been building kits ever since. I am not sure what my first WWI kit was, but I remember building all the Aurora single-engine fighters in 1/48 at one time or another, and all of the Revell kits in 1/72. Got heavy into armor back in the early 70's when Tamiya hit these shores, then a number of years building R/C and re-kitting 'em again (you ex-R/C'er will understand), got "off-track" building HO trains, but then in '91 I picked up a Phoenix vacuform kit of a D.H.-1a, built it, and been hooked by WWI kits (1/72nd) ever since. Thanks for the memories - Craig Gavin (Bella Vista, AR). ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 21:04:14 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: An Old Fart Remembers Message-ID: <17.1218ac3.25c4f61e@aol.com> In a message dated 1/29/00 2:12:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, hagerupk@prodigy.net writes: << First OT was probably one of the Revell WWI kits. (I, too, built a silver-blue Dr.1.) >> I guess that makes three of us at least. The third or fourth Air Classics published had a Voss article, and it left me with the idea that his tripe should be metallic blue- so that's how I painted it.......kinda A.H. Fokker meets Ed "Big Daddy" Roth. RK ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 21:04:13 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Old Farts & Strombecker Message-ID: <4c.1057f46.25c4f61d@aol.com> In a message dated 1/29/00 2:32:52 PM Pacific Standard Time, Zulis@aol.com writes: << I think we used to cannibalize Strombecker slot cars for gears, etc ... I >> I knew that Strombecker had made airplanes at one time, but my main contact with the brand was slot cars. During my own personal slot car days, I was more into the Aurora 1/87 jobs. Those things could GO. Also- the first Scratchbuilt book (not the one I'm in) has a quick history of model airplane building and has photos of un-built Strombecker kits, and Hawk(from their wooden days), and Sky Birds and FROG, and a shot of a Monogram "Superkit" from 1952 that's mostly wood with injection details. Most interesting thing shown is a pre-war FROG "Penguin" kit of a Wellington molded in acetate. RK ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 21:04:15 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: An Old Fart Remembers Message-ID: <35.b4aac8.25c4f61f@aol.com> In a message dated 1/29/00 12:23:38 PM Pacific Standard Time, Albatrosdv@aol.com writes: << Bell YFM1 (38-351) >> AFAIK, outside of a pretty good late Rareplanes vacuform, this complete oddball of an airplane hasn't been kitted otherwise. Sure wouldn't mind one, and have mentioned it to Jules at Classic Airframes.>> Sounds like maybe something Cleveland would've covered? RK Tom Cleaver >> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 21:04:12 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Old Farts & Strombecker Message-ID: In a message dated 1/29/00 3:49:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, GRBroman@aol.com writes: << Do you know how many firecrackers it took to bring down a DH-10 or Gotha? I could cry when I think about it now :) >> I would imagine more than the Breguet 14? One in the pilot's cockpit and one in the observer's pretty much turned it into a mass of sharp dangerous plastic shreds. RK ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 21:04:17 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: An Old Fart Remembers Message-ID: <9d.13420e2.25c4f621@aol.com> In a message dated 1/29/00 11:02:09 AM Pacific Standard Time, dcf@mars.ark.com writes: << His-Air-Dec >> still got a couple of sheets of these myself, and last time I checked, they still worked. RK ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 21:38:29 -0500 From: Lyle Lamboley To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: First kits Message-ID: <20000129.213831.-147889.2.lyle.lamboley@juno.com> Since I am a newbie to the list, I am going to fill you in on why I am the WWI kook that I am. My first WWI kit was a Nieuport 17 made by Hawk. I remember loving the embossed roundels on the fuselage (what does a seven-year-old kid know?) and wings. It didn't light the fire for me though in the WWI department, since I never finished it. Modeling in those years consisted of the Pyro dinosaurs and the Aurora monster kits. I got a Guillow's Fokker when I was twelve, and I started to get into the aeroplane scene, and then my first viewings of The Dawn Patrol and The Great Waldo Pepper were what put me over the edge. I remember building the Revell "Waldo" Camel and the Fokker Dr.1 in 1/28th. I did paint a triplane in Kessler's colors, but it would not have won any contests. Now I am doing R/C and am currently building a Proctor D.VII, but I still work with my 1/48 and 1/72 kits. I prefer 1/48 since my eyes need all the help they can get, plus I find it easy to use an architect's scale to verify where things are off. So! Glad to be part of the list now, I have Bob Pearson to thank for setting me in this direction. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 20:47:24 -0600 From: "Charles and Linda Duckworth" To: Subject: Re: If I were to pitch a Hollywood script.... Message-ID: <005601bf6acc$5902eda0$052c57d8@cnlduckwor> After reading acouple of books on the SMS Emden and part of her crew sailing back to Germany would like to see it done by the same guys that did 'Das Boot'. btw speaking of movies just saw 'Dive Bomber' earlier in the evening with my 10 year old (well it does have biplanes) in wonderful 1941 color movie especially if you enjoy pre-WWII U.S. Navy schemes. Charlie -----Original Message----- From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Saturday, January 29, 2000 6:47 PM Subject: Re: If I were to pitch a Hollywood script.... >Let me pitch a script idea that even George Lucas would like: "Falcons of >France" by Nordhoff and Hall. US protagonist fighting in 'foreign legion'. >You could use computer animation to portray the actual aircraft in flight and >make a few ground mockups and cockpiits. Besides as the first author was >there it was authentic. > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 21:54:23 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: An Old Fart Remembers Message-ID: <22.157aabf.25c501df@aol.com> In a message dated 1/28/00 10:25:54 PM Pacific Standard Time, Jasta11@pdq.net writes: << Spoken like a true, cutaway, tiny etched pervert! >> It wasn't MY fault- it was those perverted mold makers at Renwal! It's all in the details! RK ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 20:57:28 -0600 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: First kits Message-ID: <200001300300.TAA29452@crow.a001.sprintmail.com> On Sat, 29 Jan 2000 21:41:33 -0500 (EST), Lyle Lamboley wrote: > Glad to be part of the list now, I have Bob Pearson to thank for setting me in this direction. Well, we won't hold that against you for too long. :-) Welcome! Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 21:06:02 -0600 From: Robert Horton To: WWI@Pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Antiques and such Message-ID: <3893AA9A.A8DB89DD@netexpress.net> Hi guys...I've been reading the mail for a week aopr so but now you've hit me where I live, Strombecker, my home town. They did produce a little of everything from the mid 30's til the advent of the slot car rage. All of the wood models were a pine...never to my knowledge, balsa. Ran the gamut from RR Models, aircraft, a miserable monster the old M-1 tank I believe in about 1/2"' scale and even a couple of...bless them, artillery pieces. As Glen said, plant still stands but after the models, they continued doing some of their line of wood handles and accessories but plastics killed that too...good to be with you WW I coots...cheers...Horton ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 21:22:44 -0600 From: "Lee Mensinger" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: An Old Fart Remembers Message-ID: <3893AE84.F56BF38D@wireweb.net> I have 30 His-Air-Dec News and two War Paint and Planes from Warbirds that took over on his demise. All are complete with decals. Even have two Micro Scale Decal catalogs from the same time period. Can't stand to throw things away. I wish I some place to store the models in eight very big boxes in the garage. The newest ones are 12 years old. Those boxes hold an Aurora Gotha promised to Rob't Karr and I won't forget that. Over 1000 models. May have some other OT stuff but My Old Timers disease cut off the memory of recent acquisitions, except books, that I use very often. Robert, keep the His-Air-Dec inside plastic bags ina cool dry place and they wil , apparently, work forever. I had duplicates till a short while ago and now only one of each starting with Mag. V2 #3 to the end. KarrArt@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/29/00 11:02:09 AM Pacific Standard Time, > dcf@mars.ark.com writes: > > << His-Air-Dec >> > > still got a couple of sheets of these myself, and last time I checked, they > still worked. > RK ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 22:29:39 -0500 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: If I were to pitch a Hollywood script.... Message-ID: <8D3C5306186D3D115AD20005B80A2E33@cameron.prontomail.com> >Let me pitch a script idea that even George Lucas would like: Bugger him, base one on the WWI journalist Keith Murdochs time with 4 AFC, they played a couple of tricks with him taking him over the lines, turning off the engine of a Strutter 2 AFC had borrowed from the French, turned off the engine and let him turn white as the flak came nearer and got louder. You have a bunch of larrikin characters making the story, they were at the same base as Mannock...... lots of humour, sadness blah blah blah. Then sell the whole thing to the grandson of the man who is the main character. The guy who owns Fox, Rupert Murdoch. cam ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail and Homepage at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 19:49:14 -0800 From: Fernando Lamas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: 65 Individual Cross & Cockades (USA) on eBay Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20000129194914.007e4730@olympus.net> An eBay seller has listed 65 issues of Cross & Cockades (USA) individually. Starting bid is $9.95 each and hardly any have bids on them yet. Here is a chance to fill any holes in your library. I will not be bidding on any *EXCEPT* Volume 19 #1 which I am missing from my set. I have already put a bid on it. Yes, Bob, you may borrow it. I have a Cross & Cockades (USA) Table of Contents by Volume and Number in e-mail format that I received courtesy of Bob Pearson. It is long but would this be something worthwhile posting to the List. Would that be O.K., Bob? Although there are 65 different issues, Ernest and David Burke may want to choose one particular issue to fight over. ;-) http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&ht=1&quer y=WWI+AIR+WAR-+CROSS+%26+COCKADE+JOURNAL+&category0=&minPrice=&maxPrice=&eba ytag1=ebayreg&ebaytag1code=0&SortProperty=MetaEndSort&SortOrder=%5Ba%5D&st=0 Fernando Lamas ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 23:29:54 EST From: Suvoroff@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Antiques and such Message-ID: <25.13f5c63.25c51842@aol.com> Welcome, Bob! One more guy who doesn't think that WWI modelling ends with airplanes! Yours, James D. Gray ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 23:33:38 EST From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: An Old Fart Remembers Message-ID: <46.fd10d1.25c51922@aol.com> << Those boxes hold an Aurora Gotha promised to Rob't Karr and I won't forget that. >> Gee, Lee, how long ago did you promise this? I think RK may have got fed up and made one for himself.... :-) DZ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 23:40:01 EST From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: First kits Message-ID: <3a.bef542.25c51aa1@aol.com> In a message dated 00-01-29 20:18:29 EST, Craig Gavin writes: << I remember my first kit: it was a Revell HH-19 Air-Sea Rescue helicopter, complete down to a downed pilot to hang on the hoist. It was in 1954, I was 5 yrs. old. My brother-in-law bought for me at a 5 & Dime in Denver against his objection, telling me, "If you're going to build it you'll have to do it alone, 'cause I can't do those things." It was molded in silver, with USAF markings, and a clear plastic stand, the base of which resembled a globe. As i remember, it cost all of about $.60 (boy, have prices changed). And I've been building kits ever since. >> Denver in 1954, eh? Did you ever go to Bonnie Brae Hobbies when it was that small space next to Bonnie Brae Lounge (which last time I looked 12 years ago when I was back for my dad to die was the pool room of the lounge), and know Phil Moskowitz who ran the shop? He specifically ordered Frog kits for me, and then some Airfix. I walked out shaking my head, saying "they're all the same scale..." (this would have been circa '58-'60) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 20:43:16 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: If I were to pitch a Hollywood script.... Message-ID: <200001300442.UAA07436@mail.rapidnet.net> Cam, > a Strutter 2 AFC had borrowed from the French, Ah, the infamous 'Sophie'. You forgot to put quotes around 'borrowed'. . it helps explain the 'acquisition' better. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 23:46:54 EST From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Old Farts & Strombecker Message-ID: <79.1018749.25c51c3e@aol.com> In a message dated 00-01-29 21:07:22 EST, RK writes: << I knew that Strombecker had made airplanes at one time, but my main contact with the brand was slot cars. >> That's because you and the likes of E are not old enough to qualify as Auld Phartz. Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 00:00:41 EST From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: First kits Message-ID: <8e.99820d.25c51f79@aol.com> Lyle Lamboley remembers: and then my first viewings of The Dawn Patrol and The Great Waldo Pepper were what put me over the edge. For those of you who love "The Great Waldo Pepper:: According to William Goldman (who wrote the script) the reason that "The Great Waldo Pepper" was a failure (commercially - it was) was because Redford didn't rescue the girl, and in those days the audience wouldn't let him do that. I well remember the "air going out of the theater" when that happened, seeing it opening day in San Francisco. However, my father - who ran away from home at age 16 and wing-walked Jennies in a flying circus for a summer in 1925 - said that was the moment the movie became "real" for him. He well remembered how the circus used to announce themselves to a small town in western Pennsylvania/Eastern Ohio/northern West Virginia: they would fly low over the main street of town, with him holding on to the outer interplane struts on one side while 'this girl held on to the other side." That all ended over a small town northeast of Pittsburgh when "she let go as we flew over the court house at 500 feet." I asked him, what did they do? His reply: "What do you think we did? We kept heading west, then turned south when we were out of sight of town." He would have loved living long enough to discover the internet and to have found this list. He'd only be 90 now if he did. Tom ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 23:12:17 -0600 From: "Lee Mensinger" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu, "Lee Mensinger" Subject: Re: An Old Fart Remembers Message-ID: <3893C831.178E4C7E@wireweb.net> It was sometime last year when I accidently recalled I had it. If I had tried to remember I still wouldn't know it was there. I suspect I have a number of other Aurora kits in the mess. I have made all of them at one time or another and had a number remaining. I beliee it is two Gotha. One is a Company test shot . The first or second Gotha after they took the insignia and stuff off. Never had a box. They gave it to me in a large ziplock plastic bag. I know he may have made one by now but this one he could play with and not feel to bad if it gets damaged. Or even put it in the far backgound of an oversized diorama. Bob does stuff like that. Lee Zulis@aol.com wrote: > << Those boxes hold an Aurora Gotha promised to > Rob't Karr and I won't forget that. >> > > Gee, Lee, how long ago did you promise this? I think RK may have got fed > up and made one for himself.... :-) > > DZ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 20:55:45 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 65 Individual Cross & Cockades (USA) on eBay Message-ID: <200001300514.VAA08154@mail.rapidnet.net> Drat, and I'm broke .... Fernando, I have no problems with your sending the list if allowed. Bob ---------- >From: Fernando Lamas >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: 65 Individual Cross & Cockades (USA) on eBay >Date: Sat, 29 Jan, 2000, 8:07 PM > > > > An eBay seller has listed 65 issues of Cross & Cockades (USA) > individually. Starting bid is $9.95 each and hardly any have bids on them > yet. Here is a chance to fill any holes in your library. > > I will not be bidding on any *EXCEPT* Volume 19 #1 which I am missing > from my set. I have already put a bid on it. Yes, Bob, you may borrow it. > > I have a Cross & Cockades (USA) Table of Contents by Volume and Number in > e-mail format that I received courtesy of Bob Pearson. It is long but > would this be something worthwhile posting to the List. Would that be > O.K., Bob? > > Although there are 65 different issues, Ernest and David Burke may want > to choose one particular issue to fight over. ;-) > > http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&ht=1&quer > y=WWI+AIR+WAR-+CROSS+%26+COCKADE+JOURNAL+&category0=&minPrice=&maxPrice=&eba > ytag1=ebayreg&ebaytag1code=0&SortProperty=MetaEndSort&SortOrder=%5Ba%5D&st=0 > > Fernando Lamas > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 23:21:48 -0600 From: "Craig Gavin" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: First kits Message-ID: <200001300521.XAA07441@postoffice4.ipa.net> Bonnie Brae Hobbies? Sounds so melodic. No, never went there. I am originally from Chicago and only visited Denver from time to time. Great town for model train hobbyists. Regards - Craig Gavin ---------- >From: Albatrosdv@aol.com >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: First kits >Date: Sat, Jan 29, 2000, 10:45 PM > > In a message dated 00-01-29 20:18:29 EST, Craig Gavin writes: > > << > I remember my first kit: it was a Revell HH-19 Air-Sea Rescue helicopter, > complete down to a downed pilot to hang on the hoist. It was in 1954, I was > 5 yrs. old. My brother-in-law bought for me at a 5 & Dime in Denver against > his objection, telling me, "If you're going to build it you'll have to do it > alone, 'cause I can't do those things." It was molded in silver, with USAF > markings, and a clear plastic stand, the base of which resembled a globe. > As i remember, it cost all of about $.60 (boy, have prices changed). And > I've been building kits ever since. > >> > > Denver in 1954, eh? Did you ever go to Bonnie Brae Hobbies when it was that > small space next to Bonnie Brae Lounge (which last time I looked 12 years ago > when I was back for my dad to die was the pool room of the lounge), and know > Phil Moskowitz who ran the shop? He specifically ordered Frog kits for me, > and then some Airfix. I walked out shaking my head, saying "they're all the > same scale..." (this would have been circa '58-'60) ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2116 **********************