WWI Digest 2113 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: An Old Fart Remembers by "Steven Schofield" 2) Re: An Old Fart Remembers by "Bob Pearson" 3) Re: First Kits by "Bill Ciciora" 4) [Fwd: Toko] by Pedro e Francisca 5) News for micro-modelers by Albatrosdv@aol.com 6) Re: First Kits by "Charles and Linda Duckworth" 7) Re: [Fwd: Toko] by "Matthew Bittner" 8) Re: An Old Fart Remembers by Matthew Zivich 9) RE: An Old Fart Remembers by Shane Weier 10) Re: An Old Fart Remembers by smperry@mindspring.com 11) Re: An Old Fart Remembers by Goebel Family 12) Re: First Kits by Albatrosdv@aol.com 13) Re: News for micro-modelers by "K. Hagerup" 14) Re: News for micro-modelers by mkendix@juno.com 15) Re: An Old Fart Remembers by Russell W Niles 16) Re: News for micro-modelers by "Peter Leonard" 17) Re: News for micro-modelers by Albatrosdv@aol.com 18) Re: Airfix Dogfighter by THOMAS SOLINSKI 19) Toko by smperry@mindspring.com 20) Re: Platz, Fokker, Weyl and Sigrist? by KarrArt@aol.com 21) Re: An Old Fart Remembers by KarrArt@aol.com 22) Re: Vac frame by KarrArt@aol.com 23) Re: An Old Fart Remembers by "Michael S. Alvarado" 24) Re: An Old Fart Remembers by KarrArt@aol.com 25) 1/72 Nieuport in FSM by Sixmilfigs@cs.com 26) Re: An Old Fart Remembers by Ernest Thomas 27) Re: Toko by Zulis@aol.com 28) Re: News for micro-modelers by mkendix@juno.com 29) Re: News for micro-modelers by Sixmilfigs@cs.com 30) Re: An Old Fart Remembers by "Peter Leonard" 31) Re: An Old Fart Remembers by "Brad Gossen" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 22:14:49 -0000 From: "Steven Schofield" To: Subject: Re: An Old Fart Remembers Message-ID: <001301bf69dd$191bbb80$098193c3@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Leonard To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Friday, January 28, 2000 5:52 PM Subject: An Old Fart Remembers > An exchange off list got me to thinking about the old days, something I'm > apt to do as the prospect of a bus pass draws ever closer. We established a > while ago that the average age on the list is around 42, possibly the only > time I could claim to be above average in this company, but can we all > remember what was our first plastic kit and then our first OT kit? Oh, I can't remember my first kit, must have been when I was 8 or 9 years old- probably an Airfix WWII job. I do remember an old friend said I had an amazing painting technique - must have been the unorthodox use of the six-inch emulsion brush and Dulux paint. First O/T jobs were free-flight flying models about 6 years ago, stable jobs like the BE-series make good first scale models. First plastic O/T kit - probably the Airfix DR1. I still have it in the collection and I hate it. Scho http://www.ww1.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 13:55:44 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: An Old Fart Remembers Message-ID: <200001282217.OAA30587@mail.rapidnet.net> The first OT kit I recall was the Aurora Pfalz D.IIIa in a friend's spare parts box in 1974. .. . I've loved the look of it ever since My first kit was a 1/72 twin-engined civilian aircraft in light blue plastic (October 30 1972). My first OT was the Guillows Camel. .. except my dad ended up building it for me. . my real first OT was one of the Aurora Fokker E.III or E.V, or a Ni28, Albatros C.III. and the .. the Pfalz. ... until a few years ago I still had parts from it. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 16:40:26 -0600 From: "Bill Ciciora" To: Subject: Re: First Kits Message-ID: <000201bf69e0$acbb2580$4144ee9d@bciciora2> First kit was the Aurora Viking Ship (~1/60, it shows up occasionally in Squadron's catalog as a Smer kit), built around 1959-1960. Battered but unbowed, it sits on my shelf today. First OT kit was the Revell 1/72 Sopwith Camel, built around 1963-1964. All my early OT kits are gone. Bill Ciciora ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 22:43:34 +0000 From: Pedro e Francisca To: WW1 modeling list Subject: [Fwd: Toko] Message-ID: <38921B96.DD4AC0BB@mail.telepac.pt> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------A31EEFDDB5F2C8F43F775C59 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Got this from Earl.... --------------A31EEFDDB5F2C8F43F775C59 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from kitty.netconnect.com.au ([203.7.198.1]) by fep04-svc.mail.telepac.pt (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <20000128195006.SDYR14677.fep04-svc.mail.telepac.pt@kitty.netconnect.com.au> for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 19:50:06 +0000 Received: (qmail 12425 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2000 19:50:37 -0000 Received: from bal-as1-p204.netconnect.net.au (HELO LOCALNAME) (203.87.44.204) by mail.netconnect.com.au with SMTP; 28 Jan 2000 19:50:37 -0000 Message-ID: <3892F804.5CFC@netconnect.com.au> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 06:24:05 -0800 From: "Earl. Martell." Reply-To: nkrmodel@netconnect.com.au Organization: N.K.R. MODELS X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nkrmodel@netconnect.com.au Subject: Toko Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Well, the latest news from the Ukraine is that Toko now ceases to exist! As to the moulds...Revell Germany has bought them!! Earl. --------------A31EEFDDB5F2C8F43F775C59-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 18:04:44 EST From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: News for micro-modelers Message-ID: <5a.a861bd.25c37a8c@aol.com> I got this from Earl at NKR just now. It's also confirmed by my source at Eduard, who says no one knew (which is the way this stuff is supposed to happen). Tom Cleaver To: nkrmodel@netconnect.com.au Subject: Toko Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Well, the latest news from the Ukraine is that Toko now ceases to exist! As to the moulds...Revell Germany has bought them!! Earl. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 17:07:53 -0600 From: "Charles and Linda Duckworth" To: Subject: Re: First Kits Message-ID: <000201bf69e7$ffb55920$922c57d8@cnlduckwor> Probably the Aurora B-17 in the little scale (1/400?) I have an uncle that flew in the 8th AF 91st HB Group (1944-45) and remember painting it silver to match photos he had. The silver took days to dry. I was probably 10 (1961). OT, am not exactly sure, I remember building the Aurora SE5 in the green and black plastic (1963 era) and for 30 cents one could get the Airfix single seaters and 50 cents for the two-seaters. I still recall trying to get all those struts to line up on the RE8 as a 12 year old....and trying to rigging it with mom's black thread. Built most of the 1/48th Aurora OT and remember a bunch of Aurora DIII's I had to match the old Profiles as a kid. Paint and cement was 10 cents. Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 17:39:30 -0600 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: [Fwd: Toko] Message-ID: <200001282342.PAA08723@magpie.a001.sprintmail.com> On Fri, 28 Jan 2000 17:49:41 -0500 (EST), Pedro e Francisca wrote: > Well, the latest news from the Ukraine is that Toko now ceases to exist! > As to the moulds...Revell Germany has bought them!! If this is true, I feel really bad for Toko. Two positive things though: better distribution with Revell, and hopefully the three molds announced years/a year ago are finished before the sale: He-111's, Gotha and Il-10. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 18:55:21 -0500 From: Matthew Zivich To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: An Old Fart Remembers Message-ID: <38922C69.131DD2C7@svsu.edu> Back in the late 40's I remember when the first plastic models hit the model shop shelves. I was in grade school at the time when I purchased a GeeBee racing plane, but I don't remember the company's label. I made the mistake of painting this plastic model with leftover dope from the balsa wood and tissue paper kits. Seconds after the paint's application the plastic surface began to curdle. Later the sympathetic model shop owner told me that, "Only dopes use dope to paint plastic". I survived that experience to purchase and build one of the Aurora WWI planes, possibly the Albatros D-III many years later as the first of many WWI aircraft all of which I still display. Matthew Zivich Peter Leonard wrote: > An exchange off list got me to thinking about the old days, something I'm > apt to do as the prospect of a bus pass draws ever closer. We established a > while ago that the average age on the list is around 42, possibly the only > time I could claim to be above average in this company, but can we all > remember what was our first plastic kit and then our first OT kit? > > My first was the Airfix Stuka, which I swear would have pulled out of the > dive if only my room had been one storey higher. My second ever kit was a > very OT Airfix Camel; I even painted it, grandad had just painted the back > door and had some bottle green paint left over. Dicta Ira?? Don't talk to me > about Dicta Ira!! > > Peter Leonard > IPMS UK > Lancashire & Cheshire Branch > http://www.storks.cwc.net > http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com > PeterL@cwcom.net > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 09:58:44 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: An Old Fart Remembers Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1C52@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Peter asks: > can we all > remember what was our first plastic kit and then our first OT kit? > Yes and maybe. My first was the Airfix NA.39 (?? Buccaneer prototype). It left me with a liking for that chunky and effective aircraft which still persists. My first OT kit was also Airfix - because we seldom saw anything else at the time, but I really can't recall which of them I built first. Time was about 1968-72, I'd just read my first Biggles and built multiples of every WW1 kit available at the time, the only ones I think I recall clearly as being among them were the RE-8 and Dr.1 Hooked on WW1 ever since Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 19:09:46 -0500 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: An Old Fart Remembers Message-ID: <004701bf69ed$275f8400$2d0c56d1@default> I can't remember first kit., maybe a Cutlass. First WWI was an Aurora Dr.1. There was a fondly remembered Douglas mail plane and several tiny Aurora B-17s (I always either lost the little nav dome piece or spooged it with glue) . Hawks and Auroras and Renwals all made the trip home from the 5 and dime store. BTW it was me who fired off Peter on this thread with scans of a Revell coupon to get a 1/72 B-17 for $1.98 and another advertising the Airfix Modelers club. Anyone wants a scan, give me a holler Off List sp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 16:29:49 -0800 From: Goebel Family To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: An Old Fart Remembers Message-ID: <3892347D.237169F9@gte.net> My first kit was a Lindberg 1/72 Corsair as my dad had a bunch of models left over from his hobby/coin/stamp shop business. Needless to say, whenever I went to a friend's birthday party in elementary school a model kit was my gift offering. My first ot kit was an Aurora Black Maria Sopwith Tripe. Ah, fond memories.. By the way, I'm taking a break from my 1/8 Camel and have been working on the Eduard Hannover Cl.III. Well at least the interior, Parabellum (wonderful bit of engineering that! imho), cut the ailerons, (54 tpi razor saw works great), spruced up the interior with Eduard German guages (cockpit picture from Janes), and have got the Argus rocker arms/pushrods on. The only reference I have for the Argus is a side and rear view from Janes Fighting Aircraft of WWI. Does the datafile provide good pictures of the engine? Is the supplied lozenge usuable? Perhaps with a dark undercoat? Any suggestions will be appreciated. Craig Goebel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 19:37:50 EST From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: First Kits Message-ID: In a message dated 00-01-28 18:26:34 EST, you write: << I still recall trying to get all those struts to line up on the RE8 as a 12 year old... >> Aurora? Re-8??? Looks like we've found the Auld Phart with Phailing Memory!! :-) Bet it was either the DH-4 or the Bristol Fighter. Cheers, Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 18:54:30 -0600 From: "K. Hagerup" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: News for micro-modelers Message-ID: <38923A46.5617@prodigy.net> No public apology to Earl after all the earlier vituperation? It looks like at least someone knew. Perhaps Toko fell victim to some of that Marxist economic training... Ken Albatrosdv@aol.com wrote: > > I got this from Earl at NKR just now. It's also confirmed by my source at > Eduard, who says no one knew (which is the way this stuff is supposed to > happen). > > Tom Cleaver > > To: nkrmodel@netconnect.com.au > Subject: Toko > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 > > Well, the latest news from the Ukraine is that Toko now ceases to exist! > As to the moulds...Revell Germany has bought them!! > > Earl. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 19:57:35 -0500 From: mkendix@juno.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: News for micro-modelers Message-ID: <20000128.195735.14574.1.mkendix@juno.com> Tom: What is Revell's mode of operation regarding other companies' moulds? Do they just sit on them like those for the Sopwith TRiplane, Nieuport 28 etc. or are they likely to pour some plastic into them and produce more kits? Any news on the fate of the "forthcoming" stuff like the Gothas? Michael On Fri, 28 Jan 2000 18:10:20 -0500 (EST) Albatrosdv@aol.com writes: >I got this from Earl at NKR just now. It's also confirmed by my >source at >Eduard, who says no one knew (which is the way this stuff is supposed >to >happen). > >Tom Cleaver > > >To: nkrmodel@netconnect.com.au >Subject: Toko >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 > >Well, the latest news from the Ukraine is that Toko now ceases to >exist! >As to the moulds...Revell Germany has bought them!! > >Earl. ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 16:44:48 -0800 From: Russell W Niles To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: An Old Fart Remembers Message-ID: <20000128.164828.-391279.1.r_niles1@juno.com> My first was a Hawk F9F Panther I received for my birthday in 1956. I was ten. My first OT kit was an Aurora DVII, sometime in about 1959 or so. I was also working on a Comet Biplane, but don't remember just exactly what that was. My modeling stopped then for several years, Dad got assigned to Germany, I did the Army thing, I got married etc, etc. The next OT model was in the Seventies when I built my first Revell 1/28th DR1. Boy does this bring back memories. Russ Russ Niles IPMS 4450 Too close for missiles....switching to guns. ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 01:24:47 GMT From: "Peter Leonard" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: News for micro-modelers Message-ID: <20000129012447.33223.qmail@hotmail.com> Ken H.."No public apology to Earl after all the earlier vituperation?" I think the stunned silence of the earlier thread is the general reaction Ken. If what we all considered to be a successful and well on the way to becoming an established manufacurer can go bump, who's next? It's good news if Revell have got the molds, but Monogram got all the Aurora molds. Just when do Monogram intend releasing the Gotha or the DH10? What message does this send to mainstream companies who might have been considering OT subjects? Very sad. Peter Leonard http://www.storks.cwc.net http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com PeterL@cwcom.net ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 20:26:20 EST From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: News for micro-modelers Message-ID: In a message dated 00-01-28 20:06:48 EST, you write: << Tom: What is Revell's mode of operation regarding other companies' moulds? Do they just sit on them like those for the Sopwith TRiplane, Nieuport 28 etc. or are they likely to pour some plastic into them and produce more kits? Any news on the fate of the "forthcoming" stuff like the Gothas? Michael >> >From what I have seen, Revell-Germany (who I am sure did this) does not sit on molds, but rather makes kits from them. Tom ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 19:31:06 -0600 From: THOMAS SOLINSKI To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Airfix Dogfighter Message-ID: <389242DA.9B94E6E@home.com> Is it a quiet night or is every one unsubed? Tom S ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 20:44:10 -0500 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: Toko Message-ID: <008301bf69fa$572a6580$2d0c56d1@default> A goodly while back TC mentioned an e-mail news service called Stratfor . I subscribed and have enjoyed learning about all sorts of trouble spots around the world that the news "professionals" (Bwahahahaha!) don't deem us fit to know about. Anyway the Ukraine and other CIS states are having a rough economic time lately. I have been wondering how this would affect those eastern european companies we are coming to rely upon. Unfortunately it seems to have affected Toko. Let's hope Revell Germany uses due care in transporting the molds and due scollarship in providing new decals. sp E-mail smperry@mindspring.com Web Site http://www.freeyellow.com/members8/wwimodeler/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 20:48:48 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Platz, Fokker, Weyl and Sigrist? Message-ID: <3a.b57d03.25c3a100@aol.com> In a message dated 1/28/00 12:12:24 PM Pacific Standard Time, a1b73869@telus.net writes: << However what role did Platz really have, was he just a talented welder who aided Fokker, or was he Fokkers Development dept manager, works manager or what. >> I just ran across that last night somewhere in one of the more recent Datafiles- the Fokker D.I-IV special, and Grosz calls him the head of the prototype metal working shop. RK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 20:48:47 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: An Old Fart Remembers Message-ID: In a message dated 1/28/00 12:32:16 PM Pacific Standard Time, Zulis@aol.com writes: << The first kit I can remember building was a rather large cutaway model of a submarine (Ethan Allan? maybe?). Ever see those anatomy pics of the human body with all the organs painted a different colour for clarity? >> Speaking of cut-away submarines and human anatomy, I had one of the Renwall subs, and if you looked closely on one of the bulkheads in the crew quarters, you'd find tiny pinup posters featuring naked women etched in! RK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 20:48:53 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Vac frame Message-ID: <6c.1521608.25c3a105@aol.com> In a message dated 1/28/00 6:46:53 AM Pacific Standard Time, lance.krieg@amerus.com writes: << Personally, I think the earlier "Scratchbuilt" is a better value... Lance >> I'd make the little spluttering raspberry tongue emoticon if I could allow myself (I haven't used one yet...my fingers refuse to type them for some reason)...BUT- yeah- for more hard core technical building stuff- the first one DOES have a bit more. The second book has more gravy. RK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 20:37:09 -0500 From: "Michael S. Alvarado" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: An Old Fart Remembers Message-ID: <3892443E.B3DF7904@bellatlantic.net> My first, according to my mother was at age three. It was the bright yellow Aurora Japanese Zero. I saw it in the local grocery store (in Orlando, Fl.). I wanted it, Mom said no. I howled. Mom bought it and a tube of glue to shut me up. When we got home, Mom set up in the kitchen (where she could keep an eye on me) at the breakfast table (which was suitably covered in newspaper) and turned me loose. To her surprise about an hour later it was done. I couldn't read yet just looked at the pictures. Mom still has the fuselage of this project (complete with glue fogged canopy) among her vast collection of mementos gathered from all over the world as the wife of a US Air Force Officer. That would have been in c. 1954, I don't know how accurate her recollection of the age is though as I believe that Aurora first prodect the canary yellow Zero in 1956 which would actually have made about 5 years old. My first OT was the Aurora Fokker Triplane (burgundy red metallic plastic) at about the time my brother was born (also in Orlando) c. 1956-7. I eventually built all the Aurora WWI offerings many times each in all their various incarantions. Unfortuantely all I have left are some of the 1977 final Aurora releases unbuilt. Another wonderful trip down memory lane Alvie Goebel Family wrote: > My first kit was a Lindberg 1/72 Corsair as my dad had a bunch of models > left over > from his hobby/coin/stamp shop business. Needless to say, whenever I > went to a > friend's birthday party in elementary school a model kit was my gift > offering. > My first ot kit was an Aurora Black Maria Sopwith Tripe. Ah, fond > memories.. > By the way, I'm taking a break from my 1/8 Camel and have been working > on > the Eduard Hannover Cl.III. Well at least the interior, Parabellum > (wonderful bit of > engineering that! imho), cut the ailerons, (54 tpi razor saw works > great), spruced > up the interior with Eduard German guages (cockpit picture from Janes), > and have > got the Argus rocker arms/pushrods on. The only reference I have for the > Argus is > a side and rear view from Janes Fighting Aircraft of WWI. Does the > datafile provide > good pictures of the engine? Is the supplied lozenge usuable? Perhaps > with a dark > undercoat? Any suggestions will be appreciated. > > Craig Goebel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 20:48:50 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: An Old Fart Remembers Message-ID: In a message dated 1/28/00 9:50:11 AM Pacific Standard Time, peter_leonard@hotmail.com writes: << but can we all remember what was our first plastic kit and then our first OT kit? >> First model was the Revell Sullivans destroyer, a Christmas present from my grandmother......On-topic it was No-doubt-about-it, positvely, absolutely the Aurora D.VII. I tried painting it with water color....didn't work, so my folks got some model paints- in all kinds of strange colors- mostly metallic. This must've been about 56/57. I was around 5 years old. About the time I built the Fokker, I also "helped" my buddy make the Aurora T-6. I loved gluing these things together and attempting to paint them, but as far as getting to know the real airplane, and so to make a true representation of the real thing, that's a move up to December 63- again Aurora strikes- they all came in a flurry, inspired by a friend (same guy of the T-6) getting the Aurora double kit of the Nieuport11 and Fokker Tripe. Like I said- a flurry and I'm not positive which which ones were bought in what order. Filtered in among the "1/48" planes, I built all the Revell 1/28 ones too.Something called "research" also enterd the picture- I discovered model magazines- mostly for flying models, but somtimes they slipped in color schemes for the aces. The greatest find of the era was when I spotted Barret's Warplanes of WW I at the corner drug store for 75 cents. That became my bible. Here were things WAY beyong the Aurora Sopwith/Fokker/Nieuport kits. This little paperback introduced me to Caudron, Voisin, LVG, Aviatik- all these exotic airplane makers. It wasn't too long- maybe a couple of months till I dove into balsa and tissue with a Guillow Hellcat, followed a week or two later by the Guillow Albatros. That did it- I was hooked. The most harrowing decision in my twelve years was making a choice between spending my limited funds on the big Guillow Triplane or the Beatles Hard Day's Night album the week it was released. I went for the Triplane, and I had to fight for it- the hobby shop had one, and my buddy (Mr.T-6 again) wanted it too......One morning we raced down to the shop on our bikes and fought in the store over possession of this treasure- I won- he got "stuck" with the Guillow Thomas Morse. I saved my dollar-a-week and got the Beatle record the next month. RK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 20:50:36 EST From: Sixmilfigs@cs.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: 1/72 Nieuport in FSM Message-ID: Here's something for anyone out there. The next issue of FSM promises a braille scale superdetailed Nieuport. Anyone on the list getting published? Oh yeah, there also is an advertisement for the 2nd Vol. of the D VII anthology from Albatros. Shawn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jan 1980 19:52:31 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: An Old Fart Remembers Message-ID: <12D4065E.C4BCBAF7@bellsouth.net> My very first model, I received on my 5th birthday.(1969) It was a '32 Ford Hot Rod. My first airplane was a Spitfire in lt.blue plastic. Iirc, the wheels, prop, and a few other bits were silver plastic. Early monogram? I know in that same period, there was a D-VII that had a piece of loz for the top wing. Only, it wasn't a water-slide decal. Renwall? I think I glued the loz to the wing with Elmers white glue. My first full blown cammo job(1971?, 72?) was on a very OT N.28. I know it was 1/72, which would have to make it the Revell kit, but I seem to recall a vac-formed base with it. Did Revell ever do that in the early '70's? I remember the model well. It was the first time my big brother gave me carte blanche with his box of Pactras. There were a dozen colors, I think. I was sick, and Dad bought me the model, which had EVR's markings. After I built it(in about three hours. those were the days), Dad told me about when he met the old boy while working as a ticket agent for his airline. My first rigging job was the big Revell Spad. 1976? Started building 1/2A control line models for a bit after that. When I came back to plastic a year or two later, it seemed there were no 1/48 OT kits around. Thanks for that trip dowm memory lane. E. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 21:00:14 EST From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Toko Message-ID: <90.13c20.25c3a3ae@aol.com> Steve writes: << Anyway the Ukraine and other CIS states are having a rough economic time lately. I have been wondering how this would affect those eastern european companies we are coming to rely upon. Unfortunately it seems to have affected Toko. Let's hope Revell Germany uses due care in transporting the molds and due scollarship in providing new decals. >> If this thing is true, as it appears to be, I still want to know why. What Steve writes is absolutely true, but Toko was a company that was able to sell as much product as it can produce to western customers for good solid currency. Under those circumstances, they would actually reap the benefits of the otherwise depressed economy over there - labour is cheap, restrictions are few, US dollars go further, etc. I thought perhaps the problem was technical - supply of raw materials, etc. But heck, Toko has been turning out new models at a breathtaking rate throughout its existence - not the sign of a company that cant get raw materials. This just leaves me with political - and in that regard I have no idea what is going on in the Ukraine. I know that in some of the former soviet bloc countries organized crime has been a problem - a successful business attracts these leeches like a flame attracts moths. I know of at least two promising businesses in Latvia that were sucked dry by these guys. But again, I dont know if this is the case in the Ukraine and I certainly dont suggest it was the problem for Toko. I guess all I'm trying to say is that their world is very different from north america or the rest of europe. The whole thing just makes me crazy - doesnt make any sense. Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 21:21:00 -0500 From: mkendix@juno.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: News for micro-modelers Message-ID: <20000128.212259.15566.0.mkendix@juno.com> On Fri, 28 Jan 2000 20:29:57 -0500 (EST) "Peter Leonard" writes: > If what we all considered to be a successful and well on the way to >becoming an established manufacurer can go bump, who's next? It's good >news if Revell have got the molds, but Monogram got all the Aurora molds. >Just when do Monogram intend releasing the Gotha or the DH10? What message >does this send to mainstream companies who might have been considering OT >subjects? Very sad. Peter: Sure, it's unfortunate when someone goes out of business but that's the capitalist way; entities go to the wall if they cannot make a profit. Of course, the reasons for failure may not be the fault of the operators; they may just be unlucky. My point is that in a market system there are births and deaths; such turnover, even in the mature capitalist economies like the U.S., is considerable even during periods of expansion. If the idea was good and there's profit potential, another firm will start to manufacture WWI kits in 1/72nd scale. Note that Toko already had some tough competition from Eduard/Flashback, ICM, and a bunch of decent resin kit manufacturers such as TOM, HR, Artur etc. and at prices that are competitive. Don't despair, nobody died. Michael ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 21:32:57 EST From: Sixmilfigs@cs.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: News for micro-modelers Message-ID: And don't forget a little piece of an earlier post, some of the individuals involved in Toko have already left and, as the rumor goes, forming another company. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 02:33:41 GMT From: "Peter Leonard" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: An Old Fart Remembers Message-ID: <20000129023341.32104.qmail@hotmail.com> E..."My first full blown cammo job(1971?, 72?) was on a very OT N.28. I know it was 1/72, which would have to make it the Revell kit, but I seem to recall a vac-formed base with it. Did Revell ever do that in the early '70's? " Ernest, you're one old fart who's memory is playing tricks I reckon. That looks very like the K&B release in 1/48, and the E V Stratocaster markings tend to confirm it. War loans poster right? This is turning out to be a fun thread. We must all do this again down at the day centre in about ten years time ;) Peter L IPMS UK Lancashire & Cheshire Branch http://www.storks.cwc.net http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com PeterL@cwcom.net ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 21:33:40 -0500 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Re: An Old Fart Remembers Message-ID: <006501bf6a01$6a253c80$738c5ad1@The_Grenade.Workgroup> My first kit was the Aurora CF-100 Canuck, bought because they were constantly flying over the house. I used to climb the apple tree in the back yard to try to get a closer look. This was followed shortly by a Hawk T-6 painted as an RCAF Harvard like dad flew. First OT kit was the Aurora Fokker DVIII. It was green plastic which I painted in glossy red stripes. Very Christmasy it was. This was follwed shortly by a Hawk Nieuport and SPAD XIII. Brad ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2113 **********************