WWI Digest 2112 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Gerald Wingrove by "Peter Leonard" 2) was Revell Box Cover Art. Now Monoplanes by Ray_Boorman@telus.net 3) Airfix Dogfighter by "cameron rile" 4) Re: Changed web sites by "Len Smith" 5) Re: The Midnight Call by "Len Smith" 6) RE: The Midnight Call by "dfernet0" 7) Re: The Midnight Call by smperry@mindspring.com 8) Re: Eduards Nieuport Ni 17 Profipack questions by "Matthew Bittner" 9) Vac frame by smperry@mindspring.com 10) Re: Vac frame by "Lance Krieg" 11) Web additions by Allan Wright 12) Re: Web additions by "Matthew Bittner" 13) Re: Vac frame by smperry@mindspring.com 14) An Old Fart Remembers by "Peter Leonard" 15) Re: An Old Fart Remembers by "Matthew Bittner" 16) Re: An Old Fart Remembers by a1b73869@telus.net 17) Re: An Old Fart Remembers by "David C. Fletcher" 18) Re: Web additions by Albatrosdv@aol.com 19) Re: An Old Fart Remembers by "Lance Krieg" 20) Re: An Old Fart Remembers by "Michael Kendix" 21) Re: Web additions by "Matthew Bittner" 22) Re: An Old Fart Remembers by Albatrosdv@aol.com 23) Hannants Hot News Sheet. by "Len Smith" 24) Re: An Old Fart Remembers by "Len Smith" 25) Re: Web additions by Albatrosdv@aol.com 26) Platz, Fokker, Weyl and Sigrist? by a1b73869@telus.net 27) Re: An Old Fart Remembers by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 28) Re: An Old Fart Remembers by "Lee Mensinger" 29) Re: An Old Fart Remembers by Robert M Farrar III 30) Re: An Old Fart Remembers by Zulis@aol.com 31) Re: Eduards Nieuport Ni 17 Profipack questions by "Matt Bailey" 32) Old Eduard's models by "Lubos Vinar" 33) Re: An Old Fart Remembers by "Mike Fanklin" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 03:43:22 GMT From: "Peter Leonard" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Gerald Wingrove Message-ID: <20000128034325.23091.qmail@hotmail.com> Earlier in the week we had a thread concerning Gerald Wingrove, recently rewarded by Frau Windsor in her new year honours list. Anyone not familiar with his work, unlikely on this list, may like to check out the great mans web site http://members.xoom.com/wingrove1/t2.htm Keeping it on topic, nice Hispano Suiza Gerald Peter L http://www.storks.cwc.net http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com PeterL@cwcom.net ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 19:59:14 -0800 From: Ray_Boorman@telus.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: was Revell Box Cover Art. Now Monoplanes Message-ID: <200001280359.TAA20982@smtpout.telus.net> Martin, I can't help you on the box covers, although there is a Revell Camel/Eindecker/Spad for sale on Ebay. Not the one you want and bit pricey since you only want the boxtop. However on your website you have a chapter on Monoplanes of wwi. (Notably missing is the Bristol M1 by the way, which just might have been the best of the monoplanes of wwi). However there is a paragraph on the Fokker EV/DVIII where did the information for this come from? Wouldn't have been a Weyl quote would it?? Ray. On 27 Jan 00, at 21:48, Martin Speed wrote: > Is there a way I might obtain the packaging for two > three-kits-in-one-box by Revell from the 1960s? One's called "3 > Fighter Aeroplanes of World War I" (S.E.5a, Fokker D7, Spad); the > other's "3 Air Aces of World War I" (Albatros, D.H.2, Nieuport 17), > all 1/72 scales models. It's really the boxes I'm interested in over > the contents. -- -Martin Speed of Cincinnati, OH- You are cordially > invited to visit my terrific web site: http://www2.eos.net/speed/ > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 23:13:47 -0500 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Airfix Dogfighter Message-ID: <4A283103605D3D115AD20005B80A2E33@cameron.prontomail.com> This popped up on the delphi board and may interest folks here, http://www.ga-source.com/firstlooks/airfix.shtml "In Airfix Dogfighter, the players fly plastic model airplanes that come alive and scramble to carry out daring missions in lethal air battles through their own home. The game is strongly focused on..... " cam AFC; http://members.xoom.com/PointCook/index.htm ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail and Homepage at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 22:02:31 -0000 From: "Len Smith" To: Subject: Re: Changed web sites Message-ID: <000201bf6961$905384c0$ec887ed4@mesh> sp, Neat site, great models. Complaints { :-)} 1. 1 Nieuport 11 photo missing. 2. 2 Ilya photos missing. Regards Len. PS. Didn't have time to check links. lensmith@clara.net http://home.clara.net/lensmith ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2000 11:47 AM Subject: Changed web sites > I followed a tip from the List and got myself 12 Mb of web space. So now all > the articles and photos I've on my original site are now all together and > accessable at one time. > > The new URL is supposed to be.: > http://www.freeyellow.com/members8/wwimodeler/ > > I think everything works except the link to Dennis' site. I'll be adding > links to other List member's sites after I recover from this latest bout > with the machine. > > sp > > E-mail smperry@mindspring.com > Web Site > http://www.freeyellow.com/members8/wwimodeler/ > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 07:54:20 -0000 From: "Len Smith" To: Subject: Re: The Midnight Call Message-ID: <004301bf6965$3b9e32a0$f0887ed4@mesh> > > > >Of course, this post is directly OT because the nefarious > >Bee-Two-Five-thingie carries the popular name of an OT air power visionary. > > Boom? lensmith@clara.net http://home.clara.net/lensmith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 07:18:10 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: The Midnight Call Message-ID: <002901bf6978$fa8d00c0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> ----- Original Message ----- From: Len Smith > > >Of course, this post is directly OT because the nefarious > > >Bee-Two-Five-thingie carries the popular name of an OT air power > visionary. > > > > Boom? > You're absolutely wrong, Len. He's talking about the B-25 "Douhet" ;-) D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 05:41:48 -0500 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: The Midnight Call Message-ID: <001f01bf697c$492e5e60$730356d1@default> I'm sure the new ot release is a marvel of detail and accuracy, a true tribute to Billy "Douhet", but if you really wanna have fun, get the Monogram Snap-tite version and help a kid build it. I wish they would do a WWI Snap-Tite. Rolland C.II would be excellent for this method. sp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 04:54:19 -0600 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Eduards Nieuport Ni 17 Profipack questions Message-ID: <200001281056.CAA04359@crow.a001.sprintmail.com> > Seeing that I 'stumped' everyone on the aftermarket engine question (either that, or I'm on everyone's 'do not reply to' list) , I thought I would try one more set of questions related to Eduard's Nieuport (ProfiPack) kit. It's in that "other" scale, that's why. :-) > 1. For the Nungesser option, it looks like I have the option of putting a rear view mirror > on the top wing (part PE 4) and one on the side of the cockpit (part PE 18). Does anyone know which one is correct? If it's N1531, then it goes in the center on the top wing. > 2. Where does the cable from the top wing gun run down to in the cockpit? There is a small PE loop (part PE 19) that is to be attached to the underside of the top wing. Does the cable from the top gun run through this loop? If so, where does it go from there? I dont have any close-ups of the cockpit area in any of my references. That has already been answered. > 3. What is an accurate shade of Light Green for this aircraft? Like Mike Fletcher said, I personally would stick with the Lt. Green found in the five-color. Whose to say what the right shade is. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 05:59:18 -0500 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: Vac frame Message-ID: <002c01bf697e$ba4764a0$730356d1@default> I have been rooting through the heap of old mags looking for a remembered article on making a vacuform frame that was hooked to a shop vac. I think it was in FSM with photos and sketches. There have been more than a few of these articles over the years and I was hoping that if any of y'all had a copy to hand, you would give me a holler Off List. TIA sp E-mail smperry@mindspring.com Web Site http://www.freeyellow.com/members8/wwimodeler/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 08:41:13 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Vac frame Message-ID: Steve is looking for vacuform plans... The new John Alcorn book on "Master Scratchbuilders", as well as the original "Scratchbuilt" by Messrs. Alcorn, Lee, et al., have excellent sections that supply this want. And, as a bonus, you get a lot of other very valuable tips, like creating plastic louvers. Not an answer to the specific question, but a very worthwhile option. Personally, I think the earlier "Scratchbuilt" is a better value... Lance ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 11:04:08 -0500 (EST) From: Allan Wright To: wwi Subject: Web additions Message-ID: <200001281604.LAA26434@pease1.sr.unh.edu> To all who have submitted items recently to the web page, thank you. I am somewhat behind in getting everything on-line, as usual I'm doing what I can before work hours and at lunch and time is tight lately. I will get to it all.......eventually. For those who have not been to the site in the last few weeks, there are many new additions, check the news page for detailed information. -Allan =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | "Without love, life's just a long fight" - SSJ University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 10:08:21 -0600 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Web additions Message-ID: <200001281609.KAA09791@mail2.neonramp.com> On Fri, 28 Jan 2000 11:06:12 -0500 (EST), Allan Wright wrote: > For those who have not been to the site in the last few weeks, there are > many new additions, check the news page for detailed information. Tom's Camel is just wonderful! Great job! ;-) Matt Bittner http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 12:23:27 -0500 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: Vac frame Message-ID: <000701bf69b4$6462f5a0$900956d1@default> Just put my order in the mail to Hannan's Runway. thanks for the tip, sp > Steve is looking for vacuform plans... > > The new John Alcorn book on "Master Scratchbuilders", as well as the original "Scratchbuilt" by Messrs. Alcorn, Lee, et al., have excellent sections that supply this want. And, as a bonus, you get a lot of other very valuable tips, like creating plastic louvers. > > Not an answer to the specific question, but a very worthwhile option. Personally, I think the earlier "Scratchbuilt" is a better value... > > Lance > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 17:48:24 GMT From: "Peter Leonard" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: An Old Fart Remembers Message-ID: <20000128174824.12353.qmail@hotmail.com> An exchange off list got me to thinking about the old days, something I'm apt to do as the prospect of a bus pass draws ever closer. We established a while ago that the average age on the list is around 42, possibly the only time I could claim to be above average in this company, but can we all remember what was our first plastic kit and then our first OT kit? My first was the Airfix Stuka, which I swear would have pulled out of the dive if only my room had been one storey higher. My second ever kit was a very OT Airfix Camel; I even painted it, grandad had just painted the back door and had some bottle green paint left over. Dicta Ira?? Don't talk to me about Dicta Ira!! Peter Leonard IPMS UK Lancashire & Cheshire Branch http://www.storks.cwc.net http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com PeterL@cwcom.net ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 11:51:30 -0600 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: An Old Fart Remembers Message-ID: <200001281752.LAA27989@mail1.neonramp.com> On Fri, 28 Jan 2000 12:52:31 -0500 (EST), Peter Leonard wrote: > An exchange off list got me to thinking about the old days, something I'm > apt to do as the prospect of a bus pass draws ever closer. We established a > while ago that the average age on the list is around 42, possibly the only > time I could claim to be above average in this company, but can we all > remember what was our first plastic kit and then our first OT kit? First kit was the Monogram "wrong scale" :-) SBD Dauntless. First on-topic kit was the Airfix "correct scale" Albatros D.V. Matt Bittner http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 10:16:15 PST From: a1b73869@telus.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: An Old Fart Remembers Message-ID: <3891dcef.54d4.0@telus.net> Peter the above average asked;) >but can we all >remember what was our first plastic kit and then our first OT kit? My first model built, with an emphasis on built and painted. Well I am almost embarrassed to say this but it was the 1/72 Airfix Me109G. I was so darned proud I flew it around the house for days. It eventually crashed after a week or so after a dogfight with one of my brothers models, approximate year 1963. First OT model was an in the box scale Eindecker. I think it was Aurora but couldn't swear to it. That was in about 1965 or so. This aircraft didn't survive very long my brat older brother didn't believe I built it all by myself and well said EIII died in the ensuing heated discussion, I got my revenge though I bloodied his nose though!!! (Ran like hell after though) My pardon for using the dreaded "ME1zz" word I'll make atonement somehow I suppose. Ray ================================================================= Internet service provided by telus.net http://www.telus.net/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 10:19:42 -0800 From: "David C. Fletcher" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: An Old Fart Remembers Message-ID: <3891DDBE.C63A5927@mars.ark.com> Peter Leonard wrote: "can we all remember what was our first plastic kit and then our first OT kit?" Aurora Supermarine Sp*tf*r* and Guillows S.E.5. The latter flew fine in the basement, but ran afoul of the 'flak towers' that held the main floor in place. Dave Fletcher -- Visit us at our Home Page: ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 13:34:49 EST From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Web additions Message-ID: In a message dated 00-01-28 11:11:56 EST, you write: << Tom's Camel is just wonderful! Great job! ;-) Matt Bittner >> Thank you, Oh Great God of Microscopic Modeling! :-) That's one Blue Max kit I like. Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 12:38:56 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: An Old Fart Remembers Message-ID: First: Hawk Dauntless, wrong scale, circa 1956. First OT: Aurora Fokker D.VII, (almost) right scale, circa 1958 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 10:43:02 PST From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: An Old Fart Remembers Message-ID: <20000128184302.82265.qmail@hotmail.com> >but can we all >remember what was our first plastic kit and then our first OT kit? > I was never interested in this stuff until I was 12; I could never sit still longer than 5 minutes, which was a big handicap. Any kit received for a present etc. was summarily dispatched to my best friend up the street. Then I received an Airfix 1/72nd scale Lunar Module and decided to sit down and try it. I followed the instructions to the letter (they actually had written English instructions then) and to my amazement, it actually went together and looked like the Lunar Module! First OT was Airfix Sopwith Camel. Michael ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 12:46:14 -0600 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Web additions Message-ID: <200001281847.MAA17463@mail2.neonramp.com> On Fri, 28 Jan 2000 13:40:16 -0500 (EST), Albatrosdv@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 00-01-28 11:11:56 EST, you write: > > << > Tom's Camel is just wonderful! Great job! ;-) > > > Matt Bittner >> > > Thank you, Oh Great God of Microscopic Modeling! :-) > > That's one Blue Max kit I like. Well, although yours is good too, I was referring to Tom S'. Snoopy Camel. ;-) Matt Bittner http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 13:49:19 EST From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: An Old Fart Remembers Message-ID: <75.11d86a2.25c33eaf@aol.com> In a message dated 00-01-28 12:49:45 EST, you write: << My first was the Airfix Stuka, which I swear would have pulled out of the dive if only my room had been one storey higher. My second ever kit was a very OT Airfix Camel; I even painted it, grandad had just painted the back door and had some bottle green paint left over. Dicta Ira?? Don't talk to me about Dicta Ira!! >> My first plastic kit was the almost-OT Hawk Gee Bee racer, which I built for my dad, since he had been at the National Air Races when Doolittle flew that (he was Roscoe Turner's mechanic that year). He actually kept it all those years and I found it cleaning out his study after he died 10 years ago. Boy...have I come a long way with my workmanship.... :-) My first OT kit was the Hawk Spad XIII, followed closely by the Hawk Nieuport. Now you know how old those old reekers really are. Having a father who had a photo album full of stuff from the late 20s through late 30s (mostly with him standing in front of it) got me into biplanes early on. Just as an aside, in 1979 I had the privilege of meeting General Jimmy Doolittle, who was the guest of honor at that year's Watsonville West Coast Antique Fly-In. I was introduced to him as "Tom Cleaver." He looked at me and said, "Nope, too young." It too a moment for me to realize he was referring to my father, who he had not seen since 1932. Talk about a man with a memory for names!! (MY dad was L.T., I am T.M.) Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 18:35:28 -0000 From: "Len Smith" To: Subject: Hannants Hot News Sheet. Message-ID: <00b001bf69c1$80e8ac80$234f08c3@mesh> Greetings, On todays list there is an RVHP resin No.RVHP7272 of a Gotha GL VII (with decals), whatever that may be. Price given as �29.95. Also CMR1112 MoS AI, with French decals, for �17.25. Yikes! I paid �5 for my Formaplane vacform of this a/c, and had three times the fun building it. Regards Len. lensmith@clara.net http://home.clara.net/lensmith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 18:50:55 -0000 From: "Len Smith" To: Subject: Re: An Old Fart Remembers Message-ID: <00b101bf69c1$831a3280$234f08c3@mesh> >From the depths of my Zimmer frame, Hello Peter. Pesky young whippersnappers always asking awkward questions. > An exchange off list got me to thinking about the old days, something I'm > apt to do as the prospect of a bus pass draws ever closer. We established a > while ago that the average age on the list is around 42, possibly the only > time I could claim to be above average in this company, but can we all > remember what was our first plastic kit and then our first OT kit? > My very first plastic kit was an Airfix Tractor in horrid grey plastic. AND I BUILT IT !!!!! Why didn't I lay a dozen or so down for my retirement fund ? First OT one was the Airfix Dr1, but I have learnt better since, so don't hold my youthful error against me. Off now to cry into my beer. Regards Len. lensmith@clara.net http://home.clara.net/lensmith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 14:02:36 EST From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Web additions Message-ID: In a message dated 00-01-28 13:51:48 EST, you write: << Well, although yours is good too, I was referring to Tom S'. Snoopy Camel. ;-) >> See, you have to define the Tom you're talking about - I am sure Tom S wouldn't want to think criticism directed at me was for him, any more than I want to accept his compliments. :-) Actually, being a Hollywierd person, I will steal all the credit I can as long as you spell the name right. Tom ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 12:11:08 PST From: a1b73869@telus.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Platz, Fokker, Weyl and Sigrist? Message-ID: <3891f7dc.5421.0@telus.net> At risk of opening a whole can of worms. Can anyone please comment either onlist or off, on what role Platz really had within Fokkers, or just make comment on the following. Back eons ago Weyl wrote his biased revisionist even invented biography, where Platz becomes chief designer and Fokker ends up being badly maligned. I presume that from that book by Weyl, all the Platz myths developed. However what role did Platz really have, was he just a talented welder who aided Fokker, or was he Fokkers Development dept manager, works manager or what. I have read that Platz had no education and couldnt have been more than a welder. However when I read that it seemed pretty stupid to me. Many in the Aircraft industry at the time had very little in the way of formal education, but it didnt stop them from perfoming all sorts of tasks. Fred Sigrist at Sopwith would be an example, he stayed with Sopwith/Hawker until the 30's and was credited with many labour saving methods of construction. Even though he was said to have been completely self schooled. Ray ================================================================= Internet service provided by telus.net http://www.telus.net/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 12:34:02 -0600 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: An Old Fart Remembers Message-ID: >> can we all remember what was our first plastic kit and then our first OT kit? << My first kit was the Hawk Ohka kamikazee--those clear red flames on the rockets sure looked neat to my 4-year old eyes back then. My first OT kit was a couple of years later, when I built the Hawk Nieuport 17--even Bittner didn't do THAT one first! ;-) I remember getting too much of that old tube glue on the undercarraige, and it never quite set up. I would stick it in the refrigerator for a while, and that hardened it enough for me to play with, at least for a few minutes! And nobody cared about rigging, or cockpits, or anything else back then--just good old fashioned fun. Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 14:25:03 -0600 From: "Lee Mensinger" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: An Old Fart Remembers Message-ID: <3891FB1F.D1BB10E9@wireweb.net> A USN F4F, while on TDY in Belfast N. Ireland in March of 1945. First plastic model I ever saw. Frog or Penguin model. Lee M. Lance Krieg wrote: > First: Hawk Dauntless, wrong scale, circa 1956. > First OT: Aurora Fokker D.VII, (almost) right scale, circa 1958 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 14:20:41 -0600 From: Robert M Farrar III To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: An Old Fart Remembers Message-ID: <3891FA19.464B9EC9@airmail.net> Boy this brings back memories. First bwas a 1/32 MG by Airfix. First OT was the Hawk Nieuport in '67-'68. Bob Peter Leonard wrote: > An exchange off list got me to thinking about the old days, something I'm > apt to do as the prospect of a bus pass draws ever closer. We established a > while ago that the average age on the list is around 42, possibly the only > time I could claim to be above average in this company, but can we all > remember what was our first plastic kit and then our first OT kit? > > My first was the Airfix Stuka, which I swear would have pulled out of the > dive if only my room had been one storey higher. My second ever kit was a > very OT Airfix Camel; I even painted it, grandad had just painted the back > door and had some bottle green paint left over. Dicta Ira?? Don't talk to me > about Dicta Ira!! > > Peter Leonard > IPMS UK > Lancashire & Cheshire Branch > http://www.storks.cwc.net > http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com > PeterL@cwcom.net > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 15:24:04 EST From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: An Old Fart Remembers Message-ID: Oh.... a true nostalgia question. The first kit I can remember building was a rather large cutaway model of a submarine (Ethan Allan? maybe?). Ever see those anatomy pics of the human body with all the organs painted a different colour for clarity? I took my cue from those, and painted all the various cabins, compartments, torpedo tubes, passageways in some colour code clear only to myself, and totally unrelated to reality. Building a model like that would be very "liberating" today.... Around about the same time, there was one other model worth mentioning for a completely different reason. As a kid, I was in the hospital for a couple of weeks once and, to lift my spirits, my dad (who had never built a model in his life) took on a project. He built a beautiful model of the Batmobile - I remember it as being perfect and that is how I want to continue to remember it today. I can only now imagine how many modelling things that we all take for granted he figured out for himself working at this thing at two in the morning on a weeknight. Helluva guy. OT? IF you stretch it a bit to include all biplanes (I certainly didnt know the difference back then) it would be a bright yellow Tiger Moth. Otherwise, I think I recall making a pale blue Roland Walfisch. Seems that back then I already knew that rigging was not something to look forward to. :-) Thanks for the great thread, Peter, Dave Zulis ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 12:31:32 -0800 From: "Matt Bailey" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Eduards Nieuport Ni 17 Profipack questions Message-ID: Thanks to all those that responded to my inquirery. I'm sure I'll have more questions, shortly. :-O Matt Bailey -- --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 22:04:26 +0100 From: "Lubos Vinar" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Old Eduard's models Message-ID: <200001282110.QAA28580@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Dear list members I have some old Eduard's for sale. 1/48 - $8.00 each Fokker D.VI Sopwith Triplane (old box, decals for RNAS "Hilda" and "MAUD") Sopwith Pup Sopwith Baby 1/72 - $5.00 each Sopwith Baby Sopwith Schneider (damaged box) CMK or HR (i don't know) 1/72 Bristol Scout C - resin without decal - $5.00 If you are interested, please contact me offlist. Best regards Lubos Vinar lubos@vinar.cz http://w3.inshop.cz/vamp - VAMP - mail order service http://fly.to/vinar - Personal homepage ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 13:57:16 -0800 From: "Mike Fanklin" To: Subject: Re: An Old Fart Remembers Message-ID: <001401bf69da$a547db00$6cecfc9e@default> > can we all remember what was our first plastic kit and then our first OT kit? < I built my first plastic as well as wood model kits all by myself in 1954/55, when I was in the third or fourth grade. I must have put together at least one a week for the next several years, but I have no idea what was my very first. I do recall in no particular order a B-29, a S6B, a Ford trimotor, a destroyer ship, and a '32 Ford Hot Rod. My first OT models were the Aurora line. No remembrance of the first, but over the next years, I did build several of all of the WW-1 aerolanes, complete with rigging of monofiliment fishing line tied around the base of the struts, and welded to control horns and such with a hot wood-burning iron. I really liked the embossed markings and took great pride in hand painting the roundels and crosses, using the raised lines as dams to guide my paint brush. As a young lad, I had five completely equipped model building benches, one at home, one at my grandparents house, and one at each of my three great aunts houses. As these old gals would sit for me on the weekends, they found out very quickly that if they bought me a model to build over the weekend, I would stay out of their hair and behave myself like a proper little gentleman. I was an extremely prolific modeler and build every type of subject, no exceptions. As I grew into Jr. and then Sr. High School, I began to specialize in the WW-1 era planes, and slot car racers. Quit building models cold turkey in 1963 when I graduated high school and hit the road as an itinerant folk-singer and didn't take up the hobby again until 1989. Mike Franklin Bellingham, WA "No man is so hated as he who will drive the speed limit." ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2112 **********************