WWI Digest 2106 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Stunned silence by Ray_Boorman@telus.net 2) Re: New try - Deperdussin references anybody? by nieuport 3) Re: Stunned silence by Albatrosdv@aol.com 4) Re: Stunned silence by Ray_Boorman@telus.net 5) RE: Stunned silence by Shane Weier 6) Matt's database by Shane & Lorna Jenkins 7) French Camo Colors by smperry@mindspring.com 8) Re: Matt's database by "Matthew Bittner" 9) Re: French Camo Colors by "Matthew Bittner" 10) Re: French Camo Colors by smperry@mindspring.com 11) RE: 2 new late war AH aircraft by "dfernet0" 12) Re: New try - Deperdussin references anybody? by skarver@banet.net 13) styrene inserts by "dfernet0" 14) RE: French Camo Colors by Shane Weier 15) Almost the last by Shane Weier 16) RE: News from NKR by Shane Weier 17) Re: New try - Deperdussin references anybody? by "Peter Leonard" 18) RE: News from NKR by "Peter Leonard" 19) Toko Rumour by James Gibbons 20) Re: Stunned silence by KarrArt@aol.com 21) Re: French Camo Colors by KarrArt@aol.com 22) Re: Lone Star Models by "Lance Krieg" 23) Re: News from NKR by Albatrosdv@aol.com 24) was Stunned silence now Strutz by a1b73869@telus.net 25) Re: was Stunned silence now Strutz by "Matthew Bittner" 26) 12 Squared by Zulis@aol.com 27) Re: 12 Squared by "Matthew Bittner" 28) Re: News from NKR by "DAVID BURKE" 29) Re: Stunned silence by "DAVID BURKE" 30) Re: 12 Squared by Eli Geher 31) Re: FE2b/d Interiors by "Lance Krieg" 32) RE: Stunned silence by Shane Weier ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 21:12:03 -0800 From: Ray_Boorman@telus.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Stunned silence Message-ID: <200001240512.VAA07618@smtpout.telus.net> Darned I hope the Toko rumour is just a rumour. Just finished supper/sunday dinner. Sheperds Pie so not feeling like moving very much at present. Does anyone still market "Skybirds86 Strutz". I used it for the first time making the landing gear for the DFW. Not only are the struts scale thin for 1/72 but they come out pretty strong too. Ray On 23 Jan 00, at 23:25, Peter Leonard wrote: > I'll be having breakfast in a couple of hours. Eggs and Haloumi if I > get to choose. > > The list has been very quiet for three or four days now. Usually I > start my night shift with thirty or forty messeges on the screen, > lately it's eight or nine. Perhaps everyone will now go into sulk mode > and there will be even less :( > > RK, so what have you got on the Salmson back office? > > Peter L > IPMS UK > Lancashire & Cheshire Branch > http://www.storks.cwc.net > http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com > PeterL@cwcom.net > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 00:56:53 -0500 From: nieuport To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New try - Deperdussin references anybody? Message-ID: <388BE9A5.66B38CDE@home.com> There is another replica at old rhonebeck (unless they've traded it) The Deperdussins are remarkably hard to find drawings for and I have yet to run across any good ones, something I would like to see given the number of ppl requesting info on them (I keep directing them here but I don't know how many have come...) -- Mike Fletcher ___ ., mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; nieuport@home.com |--n--""*" http://members.home.net/nieuport/ icq=19554083 @ http://mars.ark.com/~mdf/nieuport.html If you don't know where you're going, you're never lost. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 01:00:14 EST From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Stunned silence Message-ID: <3f.f0faf.25bd446e@aol.com> In a message dated 00-01-23 23:21:58 EST, you write: << Eggs and Haloumi if I get to choose. >> This is one of those English meals that if you knew what it was (and weren't English) it would stun you into silence to know humans eat it, right?? Like haggis? :-) Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 22:24:42 -0800 From: Ray_Boorman@telus.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Stunned silence Message-ID: <200001240624.WAA05686@smtpout.telus.net> Tom the Scots traditionally eat haggis not the English. Now Steak and Kindney pie, or erm Spotty Dick... lol we eat those. On 24 Jan 00, at 1:05, Albatrosdv@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 00-01-23 23:21:58 EST, you write: > > << Eggs and Haloumi if I get to > choose. >> > > This is one of those English meals that if you knew what it was (and > weren't English) it would stun you into silence to know humans eat it, > right?? Like haggis? :-) > > Tom Cleaver > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 17:08:00 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Stunned silence Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1C36@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Ray asks: > Does anyone still market "Skybirds86 Strutz". I would have sworn that I'd seen these in the Hannants paper catalogue last night, but all that I can find on their web site is the ex-contrail plastic strut material now marketed by Aeroclub. I *think* you can still get it - but maybe my memory is really as bad as I think :-( Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 18:50:26 +1100 From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins To: WW1 posts Subject: Matt's database Message-ID: <388C0442.E157816F@tac.com.au> Matthew Bittner wrote: > Here is what I show in my database. One nagging question: do > people have a problem when I submit this data in HTML format? Is > another format better? Hi Matt, While it does show up in the digest like Lee showed. I have pasted your excerpts before into Dreamweaver (html editor) & got the desired result. Maybe the solution here is to try & copy the actual entries for the list in email format ie: text. Or better still put the database online ;-), if that's feasible. Regards, Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 05:38:15 -0500 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: French Camo Colors Message-ID: <002e01bf6657$1fbf93a0$030356d1@default> I understand that the French put Aluminum powder in their colored camo paints. Did this affect their color, would this be noticable in scale? TIA sp E-mail smperry@mindspring.com Web Site http://smperry.home.mindspring.com/PWWIP.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 04:45:11 -0600 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Matt's database Message-ID: <200001241109.DAA17290@raven.a001.sprintmail.com> On Mon, 24 Jan 2000 02:50:47 -0500 (EST), Shane & Lorna Jenkins wrote: > While it does show up in the digest like Lee showed. I have pasted your > excerpts before into Dreamweaver (html editor) & got the desired result. Okily dokily. However, I think straight text from here on out. > Maybe the solution here is to try & copy the actual entries for the > list in email format ie: text. Or better still put the database online > ;-), if that's feasible. I wish! I do want to do this, but it requires a lot of server-side "stuff", especially if I keep the application it's written in now. If I re-write the code, I could get away with "less", but I still have to find someone willing to modify the server-side. (Sorry for the geek-speak, but that's the way it goes...) Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 04:46:24 -0600 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: French Camo Colors Message-ID: <200001241109.DAA17296@raven.a001.sprintmail.com> On Mon, 24 Jan 2000 05:42:04 -0500 (EST), smperry@mindspring.com wrote: > I understand that the French put Aluminum powder in their colored camo > paints. > > Did this affect their color, would this be noticable in scale? Not really. Lately I've been re-reading Project Butterfly, and the only thing said about that is it definitely wouldn't be noticed in modeling scales. There may have been a slight "sheen" difference in 1:1 scale, but not noticeable for modeling. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 06:24:49 -0500 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: French Camo Colors Message-ID: <003c01bf665d$a0f0f1c0$030356d1@default> > Not really. Lately I've been re-reading Project Butterfly, and > the only thing said about that is it definitely wouldn't be > noticed in modeling scales. There may have been a slight "sheen" > difference in 1:1 scale, but not noticeable for modeling. Either my AMS is going into remission or this big Spad has enough other things to worry about, either way I'm sure glad to hear that about the paint :-) sp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 08:28:43 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: 2 new late war AH aircraft Message-ID: <043b01bf665e$2bcbd1c0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> ----- Original Message ----- From: Sandy Adam > For those kindred spirits who are sick and tired of the ubiquitous A*b*t*o* > word (- what an appropriate name - it really hangs around your neck like a > millstone), see the following - snip - > Roll on those two-tone air-superiority grey camouflage schemes! Ach! I bet that you're one of those PC10 lovers too! :-0 D. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 06:47:31 -0500 From: skarver@banet.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu, anders.bruiun@telia.com Subject: Re: New try - Deperdussin references anybody? Message-ID: <388C3BD3.32794BBD@banet.net> Hello, Anders- It has been a while since our racing interests coincided. I may be able to help a little bit as Bert Kinzey's Racing Planes, vol. 1, has pictures of the '12 & '13 versions of the monocoque, and planes of the latter (Bennett Cup) racer (which looks very close to the '12 version). I will scan this evening. Regards, Stef anders bruun wrote: > Hi, > I've bought the AJP Maquettes etch and wood 1/48 1912 Deperdussin Monocoque kit. I've been all over the web and all through my own collections and not seen one decent drawing so far. Do you know of any good references for the 1912 or 1913 versions of this plane? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 09:04:57 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: "WW1 modeling Mail List" Subject: styrene inserts Message-ID: <04a001bf6663$3b6910c0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Hi Last weekend I flipped again the pages of "Modelismo en Plástico", an italian modelling book where I first met the incredible skills of Signore Casirati. A picture of the corrected wings of an AlbDV shows how he inserted a bit of styrene to correct the mid wing cutout. How would you do to glue firmly an insert like that? I'm afraid that when I try to sand the excess thickness of the trailing edge the extra plastic would pop loose. Another Casiratic question: In Allan's Image pages I saw that Alberto sometimes do his half fuselages with "complete" transversal members of the fuselage structure and sometimes with just each half in each fuselage part. There's a method in it? Wich one is the best option? TIA D. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 22:26:09 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: French Camo Colors Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1C3A@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Matt says: > > Did this affect their color, would this be noticable in scale? > > Not really. Lately I've been re-reading Project Butterfly, and > the only thing said about that is it definitely wouldn't be > noticed in modeling scales. There may have been a slight "sheen" > difference in 1:1 scale, but not noticeable for modeling. > Even in the mixes I translated from Ian Huntley (originating as matches for the 1:1 colours) which have quite large amounts of Humbrol #11 (silver) a metallic sheen is far less noticeable in the result than the lightening of the overall colour. I doubt if it's necessary in any scale less than 1:28, and maybe not even then. Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 22:39:07 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi'" Subject: Almost the last Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1C3B@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Today Walter Parker died aged 104. He was the third last Galipolli veteran; both of the remaining vets are also Australian. He had been honoured on Friday by the release of a postage stamp featuring him as a "Living Legend" Kind of sad, but the oldest living Australian is also the oldest Australian WW1 veteran and turned 109 last week - none of the few remaining can be much less than 100, even allowing for the faked ages that saw some soldiers as young as 15. Lest we forget ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 22:55:18 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: News from NKR Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1C3C@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Michael, >>> Toko is about to 'go under'...all it's assets have been >>>frozen and it's >>I hope it's not true. > I cannot seem to find this on Earl's (NKR's) web page. I expect it's from Earls email circular to his regular (or subscribed?) customers. Incidentally, it also says that (paraphrasing) Tamiya is in financial trouble and that as a consequence the floatplane version of the Swordfish will only be sold in Japan and over the internet. The later sounds like bollocks to me, maybe the Toko bit is too. Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 13:12:20 GMT From: "Peter Leonard" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New try - Deperdussin references anybody? Message-ID: <20000124131220.71391.qmail@hotmail.com> There ia also a plan available in the MAP/Nexus range, but my guess is the kit may be based on it so it'd probably be superfluous Peter L ----Original Message Follows---- From: skarver@banet.net Reply-To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: New try - Deperdussin references anybody? Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 06:55:31 -0500 (EST) Hello, Anders- It has been a while since our racing interests coincided. I may be able to help a little bit as Bert Kinzey's Racing Planes, vol. 1, has pictures of the '12 & '13 versions of the monocoque, and planes of the latter (Bennett Cup) racer (which looks very close to the '12 version). I will scan this evening. Regards, Stef anders bruun wrote: > Hi, > I've bought the AJP Maquettes etch and wood 1/48 1912 Deperdussin Monocoque kit. I've been all over the web and all through my own collections and not seen one decent drawing so far. Do you know of any good references for the 1912 or 1913 versions of this plane? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 13:18:53 GMT From: "Peter Leonard" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: News from NKR Message-ID: <20000124131853.30572.qmail@hotmail.com> Shane....".....sounds like bollocks to me, maybe the Toko bit is too." Eloquent as always Shane. Here bloody here. And Tom, Halloumi is grilled Greek goat's cheese. There now, you wish you'd never asked. Peter L ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 09:18:28 -0500 From: James Gibbons To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: Toko Rumour Message-ID: <01BF664B.FA563FC0.jgibbons@vppsa.com> Toko rumour... What Toko rumour??? James ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 11:27:52 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Stunned silence Message-ID: <65.10122cf.25bdd788@aol.com> In a message dated 1/23/00 11:11:24 PM Pacific Standard Time, sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes: << > Does anyone still market "Skybirds86 Strutz". I would have sworn that I'd seen these in the Hannants paper catalogue last night, but all that I can find on their web site is the ex-contrail plastic strut material now marketed by Aeroclub. >> A dim flicker in the mind's basement seems to show an image of a small notice in Windsock that says Struz were being discontinued and get 'em while you can. Let's say I saw this sometime in the last couple of years. RK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 11:27:51 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: French Camo Colors Message-ID: <60.8fef1a.25bdd787@aol.com> In a message dated 1/24/00 3:10:35 AM Pacific Standard Time, tbittners@sprintmail.com writes: << Not really. Lately I've been re-reading Project Butterfly, and the only thing said about that is it definitely wouldn't be noticed in modeling scales. There may have been a slight "sheen" difference in 1:1 scale, but not noticeable for modeling. >> Too my eye, the lack of aluminum in at least 1/48 is noticable. When I mix these colors, I usually take a wad of the stuff from the bottom of the bottle of some metalizer paint and toss it in the mix. Most references say that the metal powder did NOT result in a "metal flake" effect-but opacity was increased, and a slight "de-hueing". Works the same with model colors. I mix the base color, and keep some of this clean, for use on the "painted" parts of the airplane- cowls, etc. The "doped fabric" areas get the metalized color. The two versions, when placed side by side,DO appear different. Whether this slight effect is worth the extra effort is up to the modeler! RK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 10:51:16 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Lone Star Models Message-ID: Tom advises: "His resin stuff (all ot) is very nice indeed, and reasonably priced." But note his newest kit is a DH5, all resin, and I have been waiting for a long time for him to finish the Sablatnig he promises, which may also be all resin when he releases it. Personally, I find the details on the DH5 a little heavy-handed, but they can certainly be sanded down. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 12:15:20 EST From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: News from NKR Message-ID: <27.dd3246.25bde2a8@aol.com> In a message dated 00-01-24 08:20:06 EST, you write: << And Tom, Halloumi is grilled Greek goat's cheese. There now, you wish you'd never asked. >> Grilled??????? Hmmmmmmmmmm Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 09:51:46 PST From: a1b73869@telus.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: was Stunned silence now Strutz Message-ID: <388c9132.3463.0@telus.net> Typical, as soon as I use something its no longer viable for some reason. From looking at the strutz brass and the ex Contrail plastic material, they can both be used for different purposes. The brass Strutz though is a nice thin symetrical oval cross section, which is ideal for landing gear or V struts since you cut a notch in it and bend to shape. Its strong too. Whereas the plastic material that I have has an asymetrical airfoil shape to it, so it would not look right notched and bent from one peice. Does anyone know of any other products like strutz out there. Ray >In a message dated 1/23/00 11:11:24 PM Pacific Standard Time, >sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes: > ><< > > Does anyone still market "Skybirds86 Strutz". > > I would have sworn that I'd seen these in the Hannants paper catalogue last > night, but all that I can find on their web site is the ex-contrail plastic > strut material now marketed by Aeroclub. >> > > A dim flicker in the mind's basement seems to show an image of a small >notice in Windsock that says Struz were being discontinued and get 'em while >you can. Let's say I saw this sometime in the last couple of years. >RK > > ================================================================= Internet service provided by telus.net http://www.telus.net/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 11:59:09 -0600 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: was Stunned silence now Strutz Message-ID: <200001241800.MAA01552@mail1.neonramp.com> On Mon, 24 Jan 2000 12:57:16 -0500 (EST), a1b73869@telus.net wrote: > Typical, as soon as I use something its no longer viable for some reason. From > looking at the strutz brass and the ex Contrail plastic material, they can > both be used for different purposes. The brass Strutz though is a nice thin > symetrical oval cross section, which is ideal for landing gear or V struts > since you cut a notch in it and bend to shape. Its strong too. Whereas the > plastic material that I have has an asymetrical airfoil shape to it, so it > would not look right notched and bent from one peice. You might want to check with Aeroclub. I think they bought the rights and took over production of Strutz! In the states, I'm pretty sure you can still get Strutz! from Roll Models and Sopwith Hobbies. Matt Bittner http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 14:14:56 EST From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: 12 Squared Message-ID: Hello everyone! I am looking for a 1/72 Morane-Saulnier L by "12 Squared". I visited all the dealers' sites linked from Al's page - no luck. I did a search for "12 Squared" on my favorite search engine and got all of Matt's mentions of 12 Squared, but nothing more on the MS L I searched ebay, in case someone was selling one there, and found many "goth high laced fetish boots" made by a company of the same name which, while interesting, was not what I had in mind. :-) So.... things are going from bad to worse. Any suggestions? Thanks, Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 13:19:03 -0600 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: 12 Squared Message-ID: <200001241925.NAA01469@mail2.neonramp.com> On Mon, 24 Jan 2000 14:19:32 -0500 (EST), Zulis@aol.com wrote: > I searched ebay, in case someone was selling one there, and found many "goth > high laced fetish boots" made by a company of the same name which, while > interesting, was not what I had in mind. :-) Careful! > So.... things are going from bad to worse. Any suggestions? If you really want the MoS L, you could buy the HR Resin. Since I have the 12 Squared and the HR, I think the HR is worlds better. Plus, there's a vac (check my page since I can't remember by whom) that may still be around. Trust me. Find something other than the 12 Squared. There is *less* work involved building a vac... Matt Bittner http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 13:29:18 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: News from NKR Message-ID: <00ba01bf66a2$05bd7260$8b80aec7@dora9sprynet.com> >Shane....".....sounds like bollocks to me, maybe the Toko bit is too." > >Eloquent as always Shane. Here bloody here. > >And Tom, Halloumi is grilled Greek goat's cheese. There now, you wish you'd >never asked. > >Peter L Damn! Now that sounds like a lunch idea! But of course, them folks in the lower left corner don't know how to eat - that's why they're so damned skinny! DB >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 13:33:35 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Stunned silence Message-ID: <00bb01bf66a2$068e7e00$8b80aec7@dora9sprynet.com> I have no guilty conscience, but I'm not the >greatest of record keepers and those bloodsuckers frighten me badly. ah >well, maybe they'll find I overpaid and give me back some money to spend on >kits >Shane HA HAAA HAAA HAAA HAAAA HAAA AH HAAAA! OVERPAID? HAA HAAA HAA MONEY BACK? HA HAA HAAAAHAAA! My Commiserations DB ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 14:00:58 -0600 From: Eli Geher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 12 Squared Message-ID: <388CAF7A.AEE986CF@hiwaay.net> Try writing directly to 12 Squared at PO Box 21567, Eagan, MN 55121-0567. It may not do any good. He is (was?) a one man show, selling direct and answering correspondence when he got around to it. Same with shipping product. If looking for instant gratification, its not an outfit to deal with. He listed the kit at $12.50 but I don't remember what he did about shipping and handling. Yes, I've got the kit, and, no, its not for sale. Eli Geher Zulis@aol.com wrote: > > I am looking for a 1/72 Morane-Saulnier L by "12 Squared". > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 14:12:40 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: FE2b/d Interiors Message-ID: Rick asks... "Now a general question to the group. Was there a seat for the observer/gunner or not? Did he just sit on the projections from the rudder bar of the pilot? Doesn't look very comfortable or safe. I also assume there were no seatbelts for the poor guy either. TIA" I logged quite a few hours peering at every picture I could find when I built my Aeroclub Fee a couple of years ago, and reading all I could from the two Cross and Cockades and OTF... No seat, no safety harness, just a cold and dangerous perch. One reminisce that I encountered reported that the gunner sat on the floor, and when acrobatics were iminent, clutched the pedestal of the MG mount, locked his knees over the cockpit rim, and clung like grim death to avoid being pitched out. I think I'd have rigged a belt, myself; I do that before I go on the roof, for cryin' out loud. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 06:15:24 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Stunned silence Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1C3F@mimhexch.mim.com.au> DB unfeelingly chortles: > maybe they'll find I overpaid and give me back some > money to spend onkits > > > HA HAAA HAAA HAAA HAAAA HAAA AH HAAAA! OVERPAID? HAA HAAA > HAA MONEY BACK? > HA HAA HAAAAHAAA! > Yes, well, unfounded optimism is one of my strengths. It didn't impress the ATD one bit, so I'm now possessed of a nice supplementary tax bill for $800 I can sense a glut of moderately priced second hand kits on the Brisbane market, real soon. :-( > My Commiserations Thanks DB. The bloodsuckers never give an inch, even when you bring out the "wife, three kids, and modelling addiction to support" story. Shane the Impoverished ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2106 **********************