WWI Digest 2099 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Someone had it all on file Re: newbie says hello, questions about by Pedro e Francisca 2) Re: was - Some Pictures of the Salamander- Now quality photo's by Zulis@aol.com 3) Re: INlines and Castor Oil was ( RE: E-zines by "Michael S. Alvarado" 4) More Tom Cleaver models by Albatrosdv@aol.com 5) Re: newbie says hello, questions about rigging by "The Shannons" 6) Re: newbie says hello, questions about rigging by Ray_Boorman@telus.net 7) Re: newbie says hello, questions about rigging by Dennis Ugulano 8) Re: Vacform Single layer wings by Ray_Boorman@telus.net 9) Castor Oil by "Bruce Simard" 10) Re: INlines and Castor Oil was ( RE: E-zines by Eli Geher 11) RE: newbie says hello, questions about rigging by Shane Weier 12) Re: newbie says hello, questions about rigging by smperry@mindspring.com 13) Passchendaele Albatros DII Conversion by Ray_Boorman@telus.net 14) OT VCR alert by Albatrosdv@aol.com 15) Re: More Tom Cleaver models by "Matthew Bittner" 16) Re: newbie says hello, questions about rigging by "Matthew Bittner" 17) Re: newbie says hello, questions about rigging by smperry@mindspring.com 18) Re: Passchendaele Albatros DII Conversion by smperry@mindspring.com 19) Re: Someone had it all on file Re: newbie says hello, questions by Zulis@aol.com 20) RE: newbie says hello, questions about rigging by Ray_Boorman@telus.net 21) Re: Passchendaele Albatros DII Conversion by Goebel Family 22) Re: newbie says hello, questions about rigging by Ray_Boorman@telus.net 23) Re: Passchendaele Albatros DII Conversion by smperry@mindspring.com 24) Re: Passchendaele Albatros DII Conversion by KarrArt@aol.com 25) Re: Passchendaele Albatros DII Conversion by smperry@mindspring.com 26) Gerald Wingrove by Shane Weier 27) Re: Gerald Wingrove by Ernest Thomas 28) RE: Gerald Wingrove by Shane Weier 29) Re: Passchendaele Albatros DII Conversion by Albatrosdv@aol.com 30) Re: Gerald Wingrove by Albatrosdv@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 23:08:28 +0000 From: Pedro e Francisca To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Someone had it all on file Re: newbie says hello, questions about Message-ID: <388643EC.35740EE2@mail.telepac.pt> Lee Rouse wrote: I do have a question about rigging. I'm sure that this topic has been beaten > to death in the mailing list, but I would very much appreciate any > suggestions. What is your prefered method for rigging a 1/48 biplane, and > what should I expect the actual and scale cable thickness to be? Lee, Bem-vindo. I rig with nylon sewing thread or with fishing line. I pre-drill holes in the wings and fuselage, where the wires attach and then feed the wires right through, securing them in place with a touch of CA. If you search the archives you'll find plenty of info on this topic and I believe there was one of us who kept copies of most of the posting on this subject, so maybe if he is leastening he could e-mail you a copy of his file. HTH Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 18:21:18 EST From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: was - Some Pictures of the Salamander- Now quality photo's Message-ID: <79.b48246.25b7a0ee@aol.com> << One question though. My camera does have zoom so should I zoom in only the model or will this mean I need a bright light source. >> By all means, zoom in a bit. Be aware that a zoom is usually a major light-eater.... what worked just fine as an exposure with your 50mm lens is not likely to work with your zoom. However, if you have a tripod and even a moderate light source, this should pose no problem. Again, make sure that you dont have the aperture so wide open that the depth of field gets too small - if you have the tripod, it is almost always better to give it more exposure time with a smaller aperture so your focus will remain nice and crisp. And, I might add, my favorite routine for photographing small object like models is I surround the model (just outside of the frame) with bright white cardboard angled so that it reflects some soft light into the shadows of the model. You have to use your own judgement to decide how much of this is neccessary before the unnatural light becomes a noticeable distraction. And finally.... and this is most important.... take notes of f-stop, shutter speed, reflectors used etc., frame-by-frame as you shoot your first few rolls so you actually learn from the mistakes. If you do, you will be amazed at how quickly you will find a "standard" setup that you can trust. Have fun... Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 18:28:15 -0500 From: "Michael S. Alvarado" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: INlines and Castor Oil was ( RE: E-zines Message-ID: <3886488F.CDFCD66C@bellatlantic.net> Im believe even in-line engines used some castor oil mixed in with their normal high grade (for the time) lubricating oil. The reason for the use of Castor oil as opposed to any other oil was that castor oil does not freeze or appreciably thicken in the cold temperatures of high altitude. Other oils sludged up at the temperatrures encounters above 10,000 ft even in the summer. So castor oil was mixed in with the normal lube oil in order to lower the freezing point of the oil in the engine lube system. In-line engines, having a near full recovery oil system ( some oil lost through the valve train) used much less oil than rotaries which were full loss oil systems. Germany, in a effort to conserve scarce castor oil supplies concentrated on in-line engine designs and attempted throughout the war to develop an acceptable ersatz lube oil. Alvie Ray_Boorman@telus.net wrote: > I've always wondered about how much blowback of oil there was > even on inline engines for the following reason, if they had exposed > valve gear, then the oil gets spat all over the place and then blown > back to the cockpit. Now I am talking a trickle of oil but over a two > hour flight there could well have been enough to coat the pilots face > with oily grime. > > Just as an aside I once got to ride a Norton International, this is a > motor-cycle from the 30's that has overhead cams and external > valve gear. Well after I had finished riding, when I looked at the > inside leg of my jeans I had two black oily patches from the oil > blown from the valve gear, I also realized why riders back then had > long coats even in the sunniest weather. > > Ray > > On 19 Jan 00, at 11:49, Lance Krieg wrote: > > > Wasn't there a lengthy treatise on the health effects of WWI flying in > > a recent C&CI? > > > > There isn't much doubt of the effects of castor oil on the digestive > > system, and I assume that regular doses of vaporize oil would be very > > debilitating in short order. > > > > >Ingesting all that castor oil must have also led to a speedy exit > > >upon landing! > > > > > > Did the inline engines ( or non rotary engines ) use Castor Oil as > > lubricant? > > > > I believe that castor oil was limited to rotaries as a lost lubricant, > > and the in-lines used conventional oil. Don't know about radials, > > though... > > > > Lance > > > > > > cam > > > > AFC page - http://members.xoom.com/PointCook/index.htm > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Free E-mail and Homepage at http://www.prontomail.com > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 18:45:26 EST From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: More Tom Cleaver models Message-ID: <1e.68c76d.25b7a696@aol.com> I sent Allan a page on my Spin Models Bristol M.1C, which he also put up today for your viewing pleasure. Cheers, Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 18:21:25 -0600 From: "The Shannons" To: Subject: Re: newbie says hello, questions about rigging Message-ID: <004401bf62dc$4a6c4540$564cddcf@shark> Lee, Glad to see you did decide to join us. For rigging, I use "Transparent Nylon Sewing Thread" in either the white or smoke finish. To tint it I use a gunmetal paint, rather than a brighter aluminum or silver. The smoke thread I leave alone, so I have darker lines that aren't thickened by the paint. I use a mixture of 0.006, 0.004, and 0.002 thread. I drill through the wing, stabilizer, or fuselage at the attachment point and pull the thread through, then hang a pair of cross-tine tweezers to put tension on, and use cyanoacrylate glue. I find that an 80 pin drill bit is as large as I ever need to use. I try to anchor any line to its fuselage anchor point first, since that is the hardest to tension at. For turnbuckles, I either use a type of fishing knot that winds along the line, or I just punt and use carefully shaped blobs of white glue, painted over in an aluminum or brassy tone, or blackened. Welcome aboard, and don't just lurk! Mark or Mary Shannon Shingend@ix.netcom.com The early bird may get the worm, but it's the second mouse that gets the cheese ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: newbie says hello, questions about rigging > >From: "Lee Rouse" > >Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 07:43:57 -0500 (EST) writes... > > > >I have been modeling WWII aircraft subjects for about 10 years and >have > >for some time felt a growing boredom with the continuing stream >of kits, > >newsgroup postings, and magazine reviews about yet another >variation on > >the M....10... > >My recent purchase of the Eduard Albatros kit, along with my > >stumbling across the WWI Modeling Page, could not have been better >timed. > >I'll have to admit that with the exception of a Lindberg Bristol >Bulldog I > >built a couple of years ago, the last time I put something >together with > >two wings was Rickenbacker's Spad (Aurora kit??) when >I was a kid in the > >60's. But having started the Albatros kit, I am >enjoying it immensely. > > > >I do have a question about rigging. I'm sure that this topic has >been > >beaten to death in the mailing list, but I would very much >appreciate any > >suggestions. What is your prefered method for rigging >a 1/48 biplane, and > >what should I expect the actual and scale cable >thickness to be? > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 16:52:57 -0800 From: Ray_Boorman@telus.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: newbie says hello, questions about rigging Message-ID: <200001200053.QAA05836@smtpout.telus.net> Witold, apart from the embarrassment of asking for old panty-hose from my wife this method has another benefit, panty-hose comes in colours like black and grey. Of course there is one drawback. SWMBO has said I am deadmeat if I go raiding anymore of her stuff. (She's lost way too much kitchen equipment to my hobbies) I am sure she would go ballistic if I go stealing her panty-hose and theirs no darn way I am going into a shop to buy them....... Ray On 19 Jan 00, at 8:57, Witold Kozakiewicz wrote: > For rigging I use threads from panty hose, maybe little to thin in > 1/48 > but it's easy to stretch them and they are very elastic. First you > have to do is dip them in a drop of glue for plastic and stretch them, > after this they are smooth and remain elastic. I usualy use 2-3 theads > glued together. Happy rigging -- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 20:56:07 -0500 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: newbie says hello, questions about rigging Message-ID: <200001192056_MC2-9557-E7B4@compuserve.com> Hi Lee, Good to have you with us. I showed up a year ago and life has not been the same since. A great group of folks here and a ton of information just for the asking. As mentioned several times, I use nylon thread and how I use it is on my web site. There are pros and cons to all of the methods described in the past two days. My method is simple for me and gives me results I can live with. You may use a combination of both. One thing about the nylon. It has a shelf life that I have no idea of how long. I was looking at my Roland C.II Friday at the hobby shop that I built 20 years ago. The rigging is as tight as the day I put it in. The model looks bad after 20 years but the rigging is beautiful. And it does make the model stronger. What to do. Experiment. Try all of the methods and see which one you like. Then go for it. Soon, you will be crazy like the rest of us but you won't know any better. :-) Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://members.xoom.com/Uggies/dju.htm Page Revised 9/12/99 "Every modeller will rise to his own level of masochism" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 17:57:13 -0800 From: Ray_Boorman@telus.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Vacform Single layer wings Message-ID: <200001200157.RAA01115@smtpout.telus.net> This list is darn well great. So far this week, I have been told about a better scriber (Offa P Cutter), All sorts of different ways to rig models. Got a lot of hints and information on how to scan,clean up and take pictures. Oh and given at least 6 very effective ways to subtly simulate ribs.... Who said life isn't great. Anyway I have stored all the methods for ribs in my better methods folder and I am going to use a combination of two of the methods. I am not saying which since diplomacy rules especially on a touchy subject like simulating ribs. My thanks to you all. Regards Ray ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 20:51:55 -0500 From: "Bruce Simard" To: "WW1 List" Subject: Castor Oil Message-ID: <000f01bf62eb$252547a0$dd1e8cd0@com> Actually Lads, all this talk about the effects of Castor Oil had a definite effect to this day. After all, everyone knows this is where the term "Regular Air Force" came from ! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 20:15:18 -0600 From: Eli Geher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: INlines and Castor Oil was ( RE: E-zines Message-ID: <38866FB6.3B7DD4B7@hiwaay.net> Castor oil needs to be drained from a sump while still hot or its likely to gum up the engine in a hurry. This probably discouraged its use in conventionally lubricated engines although it wasn't a problem in rotaries. We were still using castor oil in auto racing engines in the early sixties despite this drawback because its lubricating properties were still thought superior to the petroleum products of that era. Fortunately the oil industry finally got caught up through improved additive chemistry. Eli Geher > Lance says: > I believe that castor oil was limited to rotaries as a lost > lubricant, and the in-lines used conventional oil. Don't > know about radials, though... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 12:15:24 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: newbie says hello, questions about rigging Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1C12@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Dennis says: > What to do. Experiment. Try all of the methods and > see which one you like. Then go for it. ....which is damned fine advice. When you've done so, you may also discover that different methods work best in different situations, and you'll end up using whichever suits you at that time, on that model. That's the best thing about learning a bunch of new techniques from this motley crew - you end up with an amazingly large box of tricks ! > Soon, you will be crazy like the > rest of us but > you won't know any better. :-) Oh, yes, you'll be crazy too, but the trade-off is worth the pain. And the voices in my head. And wearing these fishnet stockings Ray B. sent me (they're not his size) And.....oh yes...everyone except you and I gets to be called Dave. And..... ;-) Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 21:20:43 -0500 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: newbie says hello, questions about rigging Message-ID: <001801bf62ec$f52c7a80$1b0256d1@default> Hi Lee And welcome to the list. Some wierd folks, great models and loads of information. I guess I'm one of the few heat-stretched sprue riggers on the list. The stuff works so well for me that I have never felt the need to try any other materials. I am able to heat a piece over a tea candle and stretch it as long as I can spread my arms, about 60 inches. The center will be too thin and the ends too thick, but I end up with two pieces about 12 - 18 inches long each that are pretty constant in diameter. I prepaint the entire length before cutting out the "filets". I use Testors Metalizer Steel. Shake the bottle well and get some in the upturned cap. Dip a Q-tip in the paint and hold the strand in the cap with the paint filled Q-tip. Gently and smoothly pull the strand under the q-tip and it is painted and dry in seconds. To rig, I cut a piece an inch or so longer than needed and attach one end with CA glue. Sometimes I drill a pilot hole, sometimes a pin prick, doesn't take much. Dip the end of the sprue in a puddle of CA until a little bead forms on the tip. Just place this in the hole or dimple and let it set. Finally just trim the sprue to length and CA the other end. If it sags a bit, just run a hot pin under it. Done correctly, it will heat up, relax , then snap taught. As it starts to relax move the pin away. Be careful to keep the pin moving and not too close or it will melt the sprue. If this happens, just flick away the CAed ends with a #11 blade and attach another piece. The taughtening with a hot pin is magic. Takes some practice, but it is easy to get the hang of. I hear the hot pin trick works with the invisible thread also. Heat-stretched sprue works well for me because I usually prepaint and decal my wings, so I never have to drill through a wing and repair the scar. YMMV, and as list member Dennis Ugulano says, "Every modeler will rise to his own level of masochism." Do let us know which method(s) you try and what success you have. Regards sp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 18:24:53 -0800 From: Ray_Boorman@telus.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Passchendaele Albatros DII Conversion Message-ID: <200001200225.SAA10962@smtpout.telus.net> I don't often praise products online but I just received the last of the my Christmas presents to myself. This was the Passchendaele Albatros DII conversion for the Eduard Alb DIII. if anyone is still sitting on the fence about this don't. Its one of the best pieces of resin moulding I have ever seen. Even better its $16 dollars talk about cost effective eh.... This Conversion produced by our own john Cyganowski and Scott Scarborough is just wonderful. The resin is crisp, with no pinholes and imho the wings are much better than the Eduard DIII wings. This conversion was covered in Internet Modeler by Robert Karr I believe and everything he said is true. The radiators are, well darn I don't know how you mould them like that. Put it this way if the real things were reduced to 1/48th then well that is what these look like. Oh and everything measures up to the plans I have so its accurate too. Ray (All I can say is bring on the Halberstadt pleassseeeee) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 21:25:01 EST From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: OT VCR alert Message-ID: I note that Turner Classic Movies is showing "The Big Parade" at 2300 Pacific time tonight. For those who haven't seen it, King Vidor's movie was the first realistic war movie (Harry Behn, the *screenwriter*, was a veteran of the Battle of Belleau Wood!) ever made. The battle scenes in Belleau Wood (actually shot in Los Angeles' Griffith Park) are still considered some of the best war movie scenes ever shot, and the other battle scenes are equally good. This is one of those movies that demonstrates how great silent movies were. There's an old story that Vidor and Harry Behn were arguing about how to do the movie, after having gone to Chicago for business and were returning on the 20th Century Limited. Behn, being merely the writer, occupied the upper berth. As Vidor remembered it, he was getting undressed, Behn was sitting in the upper bunk, and he suddenly dropped his leg, with the shoe attached, on the floor at Vidor's feet. "As I contemplated that, and realized just what it was and how it had come to be, I knew to stop arguing with Harry." (Behn had lost his leg at Belleau Wood) There are few directors smart enough nowadays to say the same. Anyway, the scene when the hero comes home minus his leg, and the mother comes down the stairs to greet him, and as she holds him she remembers the little baby she had, the young boy who grew up running all over the house, is one of those bits of filmic emotionalism that can still pack a wallop today. To my mind, The Big Parade is far superior to All Quiet On The Western Front. So, if your cable system gets TCM, give it a watch. They play uncut/restored versions only. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 20:24:30 -0600 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: More Tom Cleaver models Message-ID: <200001200226.SAA05474@crow.a001.sprintmail.com> On Wed, 19 Jan 2000 18:51:20 -0500 (EST), Albatrosdv@aol.com wrote: > I sent Allan a page on my Spin Models Bristol M.1C, which he also put up > today for your viewing pleasure. Good job as always, Tom. However, you may want to view your HTML before sending it to Allan. So far I have come across two broken image links. The fourth picture in the M.1C article has an extra period at the end, resulting in a 404 error. The other broken link was in the Pfalz page, and Al already took care of it, once it was pointed out to him. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 20:25:07 -0600 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: newbie says hello, questions about rigging Message-ID: <200001200227.SAA05888@crow.a001.sprintmail.com> On Wed, 19 Jan 2000 21:25:10 -0500 (EST), smperry@mindspring.com wrote: > I guess I'm one of the few heat-stretched sprue riggers on the list. FWIW, Steve Hustad swears by HSS as well. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 21:46:20 -0500 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: newbie says hello, questions about rigging Message-ID: <002f01bf62f0$88c2bcc0$1b0256d1@default> > FWIW, Steve Hustad swears by HSS as well. And if he's anything like me, he swears at it from time to time too ;-) sp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 21:53:56 -0500 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: Passchendaele Albatros DII Conversion Message-ID: <003b01bf62f1$98c12b60$1b0256d1@default> > Ray (All I can say is bring on the Halberstadt pleassseeeee) You'll love it ;-) sp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 22:05:52 EST From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Someone had it all on file Re: newbie says hello, questions Message-ID: Pedro writes: << If you search the archives you'll find plenty of info on this topic and I believe there was one of us who kept copies of most of the posting on this subject, so maybe if he is listening he could e-mail you a copy of his file. >> That would be me. Unfortunately, until I get my new computer up and running (sometime in the next week or so, I hope) I dont have access to my word processing files or databases. However, the archives and notes which accompany the photos on the web site are packed with rigging suggestions, so I think Lee will have all the ideas he can handle to start with. Welcome, Lee.... from the Great White North Dave Zulis Toronto, Canada ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 19:41:01 -0800 From: Ray_Boorman@telus.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: newbie says hello, questions about rigging Message-ID: <200001200342.TAA12606@smtpout.telus.net> On 19 Jan 00, at 21:19, Shane Weier wrote: > > > Soon, you will be crazy like the > > rest of us but > > you won't know any better. :-) > > Oh, yes, you'll be crazy too, but the trade-off is worth the pain. And > the voices in my head. And wearing these fishnet stockings Ray B. sent > me (they're not his size) And.....oh yes...everyone except you and I > gets to be called Dave. And..... I think the methane in that mine is getting to Shane ;) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 20:02:19 -0800 From: Goebel Family To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Passchendaele Albatros DII Conversion Message-ID: <388688CB.A5A67B8F@gte.net> Ray_Boorman@telus.net wrote: > .....this was the Passchendaele Albatros DII conversion for the Eduard > Alb DIII. if anyone is still sitting on the fence about this don't. Its one of the best pieces of resin moulding I have ever seen. Even better its $16 dollars talk about cost effective eh.... This Conversion > produced by our own john Cyganowski and Scott Scarborough is just > wonderful... How does one contact Passchendale and do they have a catalog? De-lurking for the possibility of a new acquisition! Craig Goebel sb Hasegawa 1/8 Camel nlt Death to the Pixies nr The German Giants ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 20:03:26 -0800 From: Ray_Boorman@telus.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: newbie says hello, questions about rigging Message-ID: <200001200403.UAA21833@smtpout.telus.net> Hi Lee, Welcome to the list, theres not a nicer bunch of maniacs anywhere imho. I think everyone has just about covered rigging, all the methods are very valid and imho you can use multiple methods for different aircraft or places on aircraft. I have used brass wire from detail associates on 1/48 models. Comes in .008 and .006 and is generally available in good railway hobby stores, just use blacken it to get rid of the brass colour. Lately since i have gone to Pedro and Matts correct scale ;) I have been using hsp and invisible nylon sowing thread with a lot of success. As to fishing monofilment be carefull and search for lightest weight, in the UK you can get down to 1 and 2 pound breaking strain, which seemed just the right thickness, whereas here in Canada its hard to find, the commonest generally available here being 8 pound which seems way to thick to my eyes. Ray ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 23:14:04 -0500 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: Passchendaele Albatros DII Conversion Message-ID: <009d01bf62fc$ca0ea020$1b0256d1@default> Craig: Try contacting John Cyganowski at: janah@worldnet.att.net hth sp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 23:49:08 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Passchendaele Albatros DII Conversion Message-ID: In a message dated 1/19/00 6:26:37 PM Pacific Standard Time, Ray_Boorman@telus.net writes: << This conversion was covered in Internet Modeler by Robert Karr I believe and everything he said is true. The radiators are, well darn I don't know how you mould them like that. >> That pieces in that conversion set score really high on the "fondleability" scale...you just want to bury your face in the parts and smile. Of all the kits I've built, my own personal favorite 1/48 airplane is that sweet little Albatros, and I think the quality of the Paaschendaele conversion was what provided the inspiration to do an extra special, ring dang doo blow out job. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 00:11:42 -0500 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: Passchendaele Albatros DII Conversion Message-ID: <00a701bf6304$d7befbe0$1b0256d1@default> 100% agreement sp > That pieces in that conversion set score really high on the "fondleability" > scale...you just want to bury your face in the parts and smile. Of all the > kits I've built, my own personal favorite 1/48 airplane is that sweet little > Albatros, and I think the quality of the Paaschendaele conversion was what > provided the inspiration to do an extra special, ring dang doo blow out job. > Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 15:33:11 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi'" Subject: Gerald Wingrove Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1C15@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Hi all, Some long time back in our discussions of scratchbuilders, and of Scale Models magazine, the name of Gerald Wingrove was raised. For those who *don't* know him, he's a scratchbuilder of cars, usually, or perhaps always, off topic. His models used often to grace the cover of Scale Models, and I learned quite a number of techniques from his articles therein which have been usefull since - not to mention the great inspiration of his beautiful work. FWIW, he was awarded the MBE in the UK New Years Honours list for his modelling - or for services to the modelling community (usual wording of the citation) The MBE (Member of the Order of the British Empire, an order of Knighthood) is a considerable honour despite the number of local political functionaries who get it, and it's nice to see a member of the modelling fraternity so honoured. Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jan 1980 00:30:39 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Gerald Wingrove Message-ID: <12D98D8E.3E3ABBCF@bellsouth.net> Shane Weier wrote: > The MBE (Member of the Order of the British Empire, an order of Knighthood) > is a considerable honour despite the number of local political functionaries > who get it, and it's nice to see a member of the modelling fraternity so > honoured. Forgive my ignorance, but does it come with a sword? I'm going to bed now... E. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 16:48:40 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Gerald Wingrove Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1C16@mimhexch.mim.com.au> E > Forgive my ignorance, but does it come with a sword? > I'm going to bed now... Nope, Public Schoolboy shorts, straw boater and a dirty big metal rosette on a neck ribbon (unless it's military division, in which case it's a dinky little rosette on a small ribbon) Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 02:31:53 EST From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Passchendaele Albatros DII Conversion Message-ID: <35.8951b7.25b813e9@aol.com> In a message dated 00-01-20 00:13:57 EST, you write: << think the quality of the Paaschendaele conversion was what > provided the inspiration to do an extra special, ring dang doo blow out job. >> Anyone who doubts the quality of Paaschendaele's conversion set need look no further than the Albatros D.II on my Albatros page at the WW1 site - done "OTB", with the conversion set decals for Oswald Boelcke - the resin isn't the only nice thing in that set - the instructions, the decals and the markings/painting guide are no slouches either. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 02:34:24 EST From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Gerald Wingrove Message-ID: <44.113117f.25b81480@aol.com> In a message dated 00-01-20 00:34:42 EST, you write: << The MBE (Member of the Order of the British Empire, an order of Knighthood) is a considerable honour despite the number of local political functionaries who get it, and it's nice to see a member of the modelling fraternity so honoured. >> A *modeller* got the M.B.E. for services to the *modelling* fraternity????????? Boy, I knew you guys on that side of the pond take it more seriously than we seem to over here, but......... WOW!! Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2099 **********************