WWI Digest 2095 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Eduard D.V by Shane Weier 2) Re: making roundels smaller by nieuport 3) 7 Swabians by bucky@ptdprolog.net 4) Re: 7 Swabians by Ernest Thomas 5) David Garrison by "David C. Fletcher" 6) Re: 7 Swabians by "Matthew Bittner" 7) Re: Kozakov(was Whom?) by Witold Kozakiewicz 8) Re: making roundels smaller by "Len Smith" 9) RE: VAMPS e-mail? by "dfernet0" 10) New WW1 site by Unicalce Amministrazione =?iso-8859-1?Q?Alm=E8?= 11) Periodical dream by Unicalce Amministrazione =?iso-8859-1?Q?Alm=E8?= 12) Airco DH2, Smer or BM 1/48 by Witold Kozakiewicz 13) Re: Airco DH2, Smer or BM 1/48 by "Michael S. Alvarado" 14) Internet magazines etc, (slow day at work) by a1b73869@telus.net 15) Vacform Single layer wings by a1b73869@telus.net 16) Re: Vacform Single layer wings by "Peter Leonard" 17) Re: Vacform Single layer wings by "Lance Krieg" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 09:25:56 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Eduard D.V Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1BF3@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Matt, > > Wasn't aware that A-H used the D.V (now all you "experten" > >can nail me :-)) > > They didn't. Like I said, it sort of looks like an A-H bird > being stippled and all. I believe Ken Hagerup has the pilot > right on this one. > Probably correct. Isn't this one of the D.V's which was painted aluminium or silbergrau? There seem to have been a short sequence of them - I wonder if Gontermans overpainting wass because he (or someone) didn't like the bright reflective anti-camo surface. 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E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 19:00:27 -0500 From: nieuport To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: making roundels smaller Message-ID: <38825B9B.3CE06D0F@home.com> Thanks - I was wondering how to do Russian roundels without having 5 layers of decals... > FWIW I make the white disk first, then put a blue ring and a red dot on top. > The white ring helps with the colour density of the other colours, and if > you want a topside roundel with the white surround, one disk does both white > rings > > Shane -- Mike Fletcher ___ ., mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; nieuport@home.com |--n--""*" http://members.home.net/nieuport/ icq=19554083 @ http://mars.ark.com/~mdf/nieuport.html If you don't know where you're going, you're never lost. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 18:55:05 -0500 From: bucky@ptdprolog.net To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: 7 Swabians Message-ID: <38825A59.E4E80145@ptdprolog.net> For those interested in this plane and the PD decals, Al recently added to my page my attempt. I used artist's pens and even went outside the lines and at least the decals looks cool. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jan 1980 18:28:30 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 7 Swabians Message-ID: <12D5442D.D4307CD3@bellsouth.net> bucky@ptdprolog.net wrote: > For those interested in this plane and the PD decals, Al recently added > to my page my attempt. I used artist's pens and even went outside the > lines and at least the decals looks cool. The fourth guy in line should have had a red hat. :) Looks good, seriously. E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 14:51:01 -0800 From: "David C. Fletcher" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: David Garrison Message-ID: <38824B55.C0762D98@mars.ark.com> Sorry troops - private message. David Garrison, e-mails to you keep bouncing. Please contact me off-list. Dave Fletcher -- Visit us at our Home Page: ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 19:39:00 -0600 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: 7 Swabians Message-ID: <200001170141.RAA11405@raven.a001.sprintmail.com> On Sun, 16 Jan 2000 19:02:43 -0500 (EST), bucky@ptdprolog.net wrote: > For those interested in this plane and the PD decals, Al recently added > to my page my attempt. I used artist's pens and even went outside the > lines and at least the decals looks cool. Well done! ;-) Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 09:07:06 +0100 From: Witold Kozakiewicz To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Kozakov(was Whom?) Message-ID: <3882CDAA.B48B45C7@bgamld.bg.am.lodz.pl> Len, you are right And some more details of this incident. Since december 1914 Aleksandr Aleksadrovich Kozakov was pilot of 4 Korpusnoj Aviaotriad, mostly he was flying for observation missions in area between Warsaw nad Lodz (Zyradrow, Sochaczew, Skierniewice, Kutno, Lowicz etc.) He hasn't gun on his Morane (No 316) and he couldn't shoot to enemy planes. So he tried to use that anchor. On March 18th 1915 (old style calendar date), at 11 am he took off for intercept german two seater Albatros flying from Grodzisk via Zyrardow. They met over Guzow airfield which German pilot was intend to bomb. Kozakov tried to use his anchor but he missed, so he decided to hit german plane. He flew over left wing of Albatros and hit it. Enemy gone down. Kozakov's Morane had broken one propelor blade, tip of the right wing, and undercarriage. After crash landing on te weels was found stripes of fabric painted white with black cross. On July 28th 1915 he was awarded Gergijevskoe zololtyje oruzje (gold medal) for that victory. At this area was four german Fliegerabteilung 4, 15, 17 and 58 and Albatros was from one of them. This story I found in Czech magazien Aero Plastic Kits Revue'55 Nov. 1996 Also color profiles of Kozakov's Morane. Witold Kozakiewicz ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 23:57:59 -0000 From: "Len Smith" To: Subject: Re: making roundels smaller Message-ID: <000001bf60c2$bbf54ac0$a9887ed4@mesh> Steve, What is the chord on your Sparrow? Mine is shaving under 3/4", leaving plenty of room for the 1/2" sets in the centre of the sheet. If you want an all white centre paint it first, then decal. Have you got the serial number decals? If not write to Mabex Products, PO Box 2581, Eastbourne, East Sussex, BN21 2UQ. They do decals for transport modellers, but they include alphabets and numbers in black of 1mm and 1/16" height, plus several other useful sets. Regards Len. lensmith@clara.net http://home.clara.net/lensmith ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Cox To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2000 5:38 PM Subject: Re: making roundels smaller > Len , full circle, or should that be full roundel? > > That's the sheet I have, and there's every size except the right size, but > there are some on there which will cut down and look right. > > Does anyone out there have a neat trick for cutting down a decal roundel > so that it is still circular? :-) > > I'm going shopping for an Olfa > > Regards > Steve > =========================================== > steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk > http://www.oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk > If I didn't spend so much time on line > << I'd get more models finished > ================ > > ---------- > >From: "Len Smith" > > Steve, > > ..........alternative suggestion is the Pegasus sheet of RFC/RNAS roundels and > Union Flags No.7209, ........... > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 07:35:40 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: VAMPS e-mail? Message-ID: <00f301bf60d6$99aa35c0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Stef Lubos Vinar lubos@vinar.cz D. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2000 6:27 PM Subject: VAMPS e-mail? > There seems to be no > e-mail/'contact-us' hot > button at the VAMPS > site. Am I missing it? > Stef > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 13:51:40 -0100 From: Unicalce Amministrazione =?iso-8859-1?Q?Alm=E8?= To: Zulis@aol.com Cc: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: New WW1 site Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000117135140.00798100@spm.it> Dear Dave, thanks very much for your reply to my message to the list and for your very kind words. As soon as the English version of the site will be on line, I will let you know immediately. All the very best, Alberto Casirati. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 13:51:55 -0100 From: Unicalce Amministrazione =?iso-8859-1?Q?Alm=E8?= To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Periodical dream Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000117135155.007a3100@spm.it> Dear Matt, I feel what you say makes a lot of sense: I fully subscribe to your point of views. Of course, I immagine that, to make things working, the magazine site would have to permit downloading only after I told it about my credit card and after the site had the chance to check this out. Maybe, the most efficient way could be the one already used by some modelling sites: to require subscribing to the site's mailing list, adding credit card data, and to send a reply OK message to the subscriber shortly afterwards. Very interesting topic ! Alberto Casirati. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 14:56:18 +0100 From: Witold Kozakiewicz To: WWI Subject: Airco DH2, Smer or BM 1/48 Message-ID: <38831F82.F997D53D@bgamld.bg.am.lodz.pl> I have this kit built few years ago from Smer. It's not very good one and I'd like to built again. Could you share some opinions about BM and is it worth to buy it, or stay with Smer? Is it in scale. How much better is BM (i think it is better) I've just recived Pfalz D.XII and Nieuport 28. Looks ok, little work and it should be like my almost finished Albatros D.III (eduard profipack). If DH.2 is similar to Pfalz I will not think any longer but I'll order it. Maybe some reviews in the net? Thanks -- Witold Kozakiewicz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 13:23:38 -0500 From: "Michael S. Alvarado" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Airco DH2, Smer or BM 1/48 Message-ID: <38835E29.DEC0EAFD@bellatlantic.net> Witold, Have both the Smer and the BM DH2 kits. When I obtained the BM kit, I dumped the Smer in the never, never pile. The tail booms on the BM kit are made up of steel tube and cast metal struts. There is an assembly fixture to aid in alignment and insure that both sets of tail booms are identical. There were a few casting flaws in the wing tips of the wings in my kit but a little filling and sanding took care of that. As is common with BM kits the sprue gates are large and require careful cutting and trimming. Thre is an adequate cockpit interior and the cast metal engine consisting of a cranckcase and individual cylinders is excellent. The lower wings but join to the nacelle so I would recommend the use of steel or brass wire locator pins be used to reinforce the joint. All in all I found this to be an excellent kit, worth the price but a truely extended rigging project. Hope this helps Alvie Witold Kozakiewicz wrote: > I have this kit built few years ago from Smer. It's not very good one > and I'd like to built again. Could you share some opinions about BM and > is it worth to buy it, or stay with Smer? Is it in scale. How much > better is BM (i think it is better) I've just recived Pfalz D.XII and > Nieuport 28. Looks ok, little work and it should be like my almost > finished Albatros D.III (eduard profipack). If DH.2 is similar to Pfalz > I will not think any longer but I'll order it. Maybe some reviews in the > net? > Thanks > -- > Witold Kozakiewicz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 10:52:25 PST From: a1b73869@telus.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Internet magazines etc, (slow day at work) Message-ID: <388364e9.50ce.0@telus.net> I have read the posts about webzines and online books and well since the list is slow and so is my work at present here is my two cents. Internet webzines etc, imho these will become more and more common. Not only that but they really should be free or close to it. Think about it, in a commercial magazine there are all the publishing costs as in paper printing litho distribution, cost of articles, design and layout photo's, editorial staff etc. It takes both advertising and circulation to support these costs and make a profit. In a web based environment, you have the cost of the web-space/server, small editorial staff and cost of preparation, but you don't have all the costs of hard-copy production and distribution (which is a large cost). If you sell enough advertising then that should support the webzine. The advertising can be in your face advertising or less direct, as in links if a product is mentioned etc. As to only downloading what you need, well I think Shane has it correct here, today I need to read article so and so, but tomorrow who knows so in reality I need everything. Graphic capability, well today we are not there but I don't believe we are that far away from graphics that are every bit as good as books and magazines. Look at digital cameras (still in their infancy no matter what anyone tells you) 3 years ago the latest generation megapixel cameras were thought to be 5 to 10 years off. Well we have them now and they are even coming down in price to be affordable. Disk space is also doubling almost every year. 10 years ago my home PC had a 250 meg harddrive, now I have 13 gig, or 52 times as much disk space and at a much faster access rate. All of the above are really not mature technologies as yet, that's why every few years we have to upgrade various parts of our systems. I often have to work out of town, when I go I take my laptop and a palmtop. I can currently download novels that I can read on both. If I am away for a few weeks this saves me a lot of space btw where I would have taken a couple of books. So Novels and non graphic book on electronic devices are here now and commonly available. The big really big stumbling block at present are graphics and the ability to browse as I would in a book. Take for instance a datafile, I want to access a particular aircraft say a Nieuport 17 cockpit photo. Now in the datafile I’ll skim pages till I find a photo or not as the case may be. Invariably I get sidetracked by other pictures drawings etc. Lets face it some of the best inspiration we get are these accidents whilst looking for something else. (Don't even ask me what happens if I look in the FMP books) On-line though I would state in a search utility (bot) what I wanted, example "Nieuport Cockpit" and start my search engine. It would give me the info I wanted and I would have missed the fun and extra information of browsing. Remember our brains browse multiple pages as we flick through books all at once. That's the thing no on-line book or magazine can do at present, since a screen is only two dimensional. I can have multiple windows open but even here the navigation is clumsy compared to a book. Until this can be solved I don't see that books will be replaced, I think both technologies work hand in hand. The graphics are not as good yet but our eyes and various dithering tricks can fools us to thinking they are, its only when you print something off that you realize the quality is not there yet, but given 5 years or so it will be. As to losing the information every now an again, well on-line storage would help here, as in I have a copy of an original on my system, to get the original I go to the on-line repository enter my userid and password and get a new copy. 30 Years down the road though who knows holographic electronic books anyone?? Ray - an Englishman's home is his castle, as long as he puts out the garbage does various chores and says the politically correct things to his significant other ;) ÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿ Internet service provided by telus.net http://www.telus.net/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 11:03:10 PST From: a1b73869@telus.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Vacform Single layer wings Message-ID: <3883676e.6011.0@telus.net> Currently my Sierra DFW CV is at the point where I will start to paint it. Fuselage and lower wing done and upper wing all ready to be painted. I have probably though my procrastination put off what to do about a single skin wing. This is the first complete vac that I have got to this stage so I have never really thought about what to do with the wing undersides. Currently there are unobtrusive lines indented where the ribs show on the top of the wing. (I'm probably not explaining this well but I think those of you who can help me know what I am talking about) Anyway what should I do to the undersides. I could leave them, as they barely notice, I could use stretched sprue, decal film to simulate raised lines for ribs. I could fill the indentations (Not my idea of fun though). Are there any other methods? As in HELP I dont know how to proceed ;) Ray ================================================================= Internet service provided by telus.net http://www.telus.net/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 19:17:46 GMT From: "Peter Leonard" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Vacform Single layer wings Message-ID: <20000117191746.40031.qmail@hotmail.com> Ray, I'm a bit of an extremist when it comes to this and I skin the wing in 10 thou using the vacform part as the core. I also prefer this method with double surface vacform wings and usualy discard the lower surface, unless of course it's a thick winged type. Otherwise I go for filling the grooves somehow (usualy single piece of unscribed 5 thou?) and use decal rib tapes. Peter L "missed the bugger!!" Cedric Popkin ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 13:28:04 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Vacform Single layer wings Message-ID: Ray has a single-layer vac wing on his DFW C.V and asks: "Anyway what should I do to the undersides[?....] Are there any other methods?" Personally, I would cut rib tape-wide strips of .005 plastic and glue them on the bottoms to hide the little indentations. Decal strips won't hide the furrows, stretched sprue has a round profile and so isn't as accurate, and filling is just a lot of work, after which you'll need rib tapes anyway. YMMV Lance ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2095 **********************