WWI Digest 2081 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Able, Baker, Charlie, Dog.... by Albatrosdv@aol.com 2) Re: "Outdated" kits by Albatrosdv@aol.com 3) Re: Able, Baker, Charlie, Dog.... by "DAVID BURKE" 4) Re: Vamp....is it just me? by "Lance Krieg" 5) Re: Able, Baker, Charlie, Dog.... by "David C. Fletcher" 6) RE: Finishing coat by Dave Watts 7) VAMP 1/48 Fokker DII by "Nigel Rayner" 8) Re: Fokker axle wings ... was Finishing coat by "Lance Krieg" 9) Re: VAMP 1/48 Fokker DII by "Bob Pearson" 10) Re: Able, Baker, Charlie, Dog.... by Mark Shannon 11) Re: Modeling and movies by Pedro e Francisca 12) Re: Flying Machines Press by Pedro e Francisca 13) Scholars bookshelf by Pedro e Francisca 14) Re: Scholars bookshelf by "Bill Bacon" 15) Windsock/Datafiles by "Lance Krieg" 16) Re: Flying Machines Press by "Bob Pearson" 17) Re: Able, Baker, Charlie, Dog.... by "Sharon Henderson" 18) RE: Able, Baker, Charlie, Dog.... by Shane Weier 19) RE: Finishing coat by Shane Weier 20) Re: Modeling and movies by Tom Solinski 21) RE: Able, Baker, Charlie, Dog.... by Shane Weier 22) RE: Finishing coat by "Matthew Bittner" 23) RE: Fokker axle wings ... was Finishing coat by Shane Weier 24) Re: Modeling and Movies by "David Vosburgh" 25) RE: Finishing coat by Shane Weier ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 12:46:01 EST From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Able, Baker, Charlie, Dog.... Message-ID: In a message dated 00-01-10 10:39:00 EST, you write: << And is this right for current: Alpha, Bravo, Charlie, Delta, Echo, Foxtrot, Golf, Hotel, India, Juliet, Kilo, Lima, Mike, November, Oscar, Papa, Quebec, Romeo, Sierra, Tango, Uniform, Victor, Whiskey, X-ray, Yankee, Zulu >> This is correct. So far as I am aware, "Able, Baker, etc...." was in use as late as the Korean War. The change probably came when they got rid of the M-1 Garand and the BAR and the Eisenhower jacket, and replaced them with the M-14, M-60 and German bus driver's uniform respectively, which would make it around 1958-59 IIRC. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 12:51:31 EST From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: "Outdated" kits Message-ID: In a message dated 00-01-10 11:59:33 EST, you write: << While the answer is obvious - build it - what do others think? I have heard plenty of "horror" stories with people trying to build the Pegasus D.V, so... >> since you're going to throw it against the wall in frustration sooner or later, do it sooner and have fun while doing it. You'll be able to breathe deep and tell yourself "I always wanted to do that," and then concentrate on the good stuff. Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 12:09:17 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Able, Baker, Charlie, Dog.... Message-ID: <005601bf5b96$79a45ca0$f694aec7@dora9sprynet.com> >And is this right for current: >Alpha, Bravo, Charlie, Delta, Echo, Foxtrot, Golf, Hotel, India, >Juliet, Kilo, Lima, Mike, November, Oscar, Papa, Quebec, Romeo, Sierra, >Tango, Uniform, Victor, Whiskey, X-ray, Yankee, Zulu > >Help.... > >Sharon Very good. Now say it backwards with your eyes closed while touching your nose.... DB > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 12:53:02 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Vamp....is it just me? Message-ID: Peter asks: "a 1/48 injection Fokker DII." Which Lubos describes as a nice kit, from Gavia, when I spotted it and ordered it, sight unseen, last week. It has 44 plastic parts, 25 PE, and Propagteam decals for two versions. I'll tell you more when I have it in my hands... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 11:42:38 -0800 From: "David C. Fletcher" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Able, Baker, Charlie, Dog.... Message-ID: <387A362E.9A635372@mars.ark.com> Sharon Henderson wrote: "I can recite the WW1-era German phonetic alphabet w/o problem, but the US equivalent has gone partly out of my head..." This is going to be a rather lengthy post; it is the major part of an article I did for the local flying club on the phonetic alphabets and their origins. The latest thread has added a part I was looking for as well! Here goes: The first phonetic alphabet came into use during World War One. Not all the letters had names assigned, just where there could be confusion. Radiotelephony was in its infancy and even telephones lacked the clarity we take for granted today, so getting the difference between "M" and "N" and "B" and "D" was not always easy. Unlike later variations, some letters, notably "M" and "S" did not start with those letters! Some WWI phonetic words have survived the rigours of time. Anti-aircraft Artillery remained "Ack-Ack" long after the letter "A" had become "Able" and then "Alpha", although "Ack" was still in use until 1942. A "V" formation by aircraft is still often referred to as a "Vic" and "out" (closing a transmission) in Morse code is ._._. (AR run together) and is still referred to a "Ack-R". The Morse for "out" in the ICAO Morse, which faded from use in the 1960s, was ..._._ (VA run together) and was referred to as "Vic Ack" right to the end. The first column of the chart shows this first phonetic alphabet. The next phonetic alphabet to become familiar to Canadians was introduced in 1939, along with the expansion of the Armed Forces and the wider use of radio. Incidentally, Royal Canadian Air Force pilots did not start to use radio until after they had got their "wings" during World War II, since radio was not fitted in training aircraft; if they stayed on as instructors, they may have accumulated hundreds of flying hours and never spoken to anybody. A good lookout was essential! This phonetic alphabet introduced the ideas of having a word for every letter and of starting that word with the letter it represented. This phonetic alphabet is shown in the second column. It wasn't only our side which used phonetics. The Germans developed their own system using common Christian names. Since German aircraft were given letters to designate the different sub-types, these often became the aircraft nicknames. The Me [expletive deleted] BFXXXE became "Emil" and the later BfXXXG became "Gustav". There was some variation in the names used at different times during the war, but only for a handful of letters; "F" could be Fritz or Friedrich, "C" could be Clara or Caesar and so forth. Although it might not have been normal to use these phonetic designators in British Columbia during the war, there are enough German tourists now who may recognize them! The German phonetic alphabetic is in column three. During 1942, the 1939 alphabet was deemed to be unsatisfactory for a number of reasons. One was the entry of the United States into the war with its own, somewhat different phonetic alphabet. The new version was a compromise between the British and American versions, with a few innovations. This remained as the standard alphabet until 1957, and is shown in column 4. In 1957, the need to use a common phonetic alphabet in all countries was recognized. English is the language of aviation and the usage is prescribed by the International Civil Aviation Organization, headquartered in Montreal. It was this body, ICAO, which introduced the system we use on a daily basis. For those who need a refresher, this alphabet is in column 5. Numbers have been an adjunct to the phonetic alphabet since the early days. The pronunciation is standardized so that people whose native language is not English (and can therefore not say "th") can be understood by each other. The pronunciations are "zee-ro","wun", "too", "tree", "fower", "fife", "six", "seven", "eight", and "niner". These are used for all numerals and are never combined, thus avoiding confusion between "thirteen" and "thirty" and so on. The first double-digit number is, therefore, "wun zee-ro", but since "ten" has a distinctive sound, it has been adopted by police and CB users to indicate that the following numbers will not be in the standard format, but will be using the common form. Thus, those with scanners may hear the Mounties say "ten sixty-one" instead of "wun zee-ro six wun" when they are heading for the nearest doughnut shop. Only when using the "ten code" are familiar, compound numbers spoken over the radio. Altimeter settings, headings, speeds, altitudes and everything else in aviation does not fall under the ten code and should be spoken as individual numbers. Dave Fletcher is a member of the Courtenay Air Park Association, the owner of Volmer VJ22 C-GHTY and the author of numerous historical articles and the book "HARVARD! The North American Trainers in Canada". He joined the Royal Canadian Air Force in 1961 and trained as a Radio Officer; he gained his Private Pilot Licence in 1965 and bought his first aeroplane the next year. He has some 9,000 flying hours - mostly as a navigator in Argus, Aurora and Boeing E-3A - and has used radio communications in many parts of the world and in multi-national operations. Phonetic Alphabets WWI 1939 German 1942 1957 Ack Ack Anton Able Alpha Beer Beer Bertha Baker Bravo C (see) Charlie Clara Charlie Charlie Don Don Dora Dog Delta E (ee) Edward Emil Easy Echo F (eff) Freddie Freidrich Fox Foxtrot G (gee) George Gustav George Golf H (aitch) Harry Heinrich How Hotel I (eye) Ink Ida Item India J (jay) Johnny Josef Jig Juliet K (kay) King Kurfurst King Kilo L (ell) London Ludwig Love Lima Emma Monkey Martha Mike Mike N (en) Nuts Nordpol Nun November O (owe) Orange Otto Oboe Oscar Pip Pip Paula Peter Papa Q (cue) Queen Quelle Queen Quebec R (are) Robert Richard Roger Romeo Esses Sugar Siegfried Sugar Sierra Toc Toc Toni Tare Tango U (ewe) Uncle Ulrich Uncle Uniform Vic Vic Viktor Victor Victor W (double-u) William Wilhelm William Whiskey X (eks) X-Ray Xantippe X-ray X-Ray Y (wye) Yorker Ypern Yoke Yankee Z (zed) Zebra Zeppelin Zebra Zulu Dave Fletcher -- Visit us at our Home Page: ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 14:44:25 -0500 From: Dave Watts To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Finishing coat Message-ID: <200001101945.OAA02868@ind.cioe.com> Hi Shane, >> Maybe a brand new Fok EV had their wings gloss. The doped fabric fuselage would appear as satin, but a weathered airplane would have looked flat, IMHO. This was not something I wrote, this was from "dfernet", I only used his posting as a preface for mine, so as to continue a thread. I'll let him deal with your rebuttal to this. >> The point I'm interested in is, that in the photos of the Caproni Museum E.V/D.VIII you can see the landing gear wing is covered with a "reinforcing" fabric of some sort. >Do we know *when* the fabric was applied? At the factory? In the field to effect a repair? By someone in Italy much later? Frankly, the only ones able to confirm that now will be the people who strip the axle wing back, because if they're decent historians they'll be noting the composition of every layer as they pull it apart. I'm certainly not game to guess on the basis of a B&W photo in a magazine. The thing you can surmise from a "B&W photo in a magazine" is that it is fabric covered, and as you point out.....when and where? >> I can't make out from the photo if it is indeed lozenge, >...or when it was applied? Very true, but the fact that it does have a fabric covering, I believe merits research and allows for the possibility that it may have been covered from the factory. >I don't mean to confuse a great theory, but personally I'd prove whether they really applied the fabric at the factory before I worried about the colour. Unfortunately at this point in time, we don't have photos of fabric being applied, but we can theorize and research. Well, it isn't a "great" theory without further support, which is the jest of this posting thread. I have a copy of a photo where the D.VII wings are being covered at Fokker, and a photo of Dr.I wings which are being covered and doped at Fokker, (I believe that I forwarded a laser copy onto to you last April or so, but may be mistaken). In photo Nr.1121, you can see covered and uncovered wings, (therefore they must be covering them at the factory). With the Dr.I, they are utilizing natural linen, so they certainly had quantities of it around before and during the initial D.VII production. This is self evident in the fact that the early D.VIIs had the "streaky" green fuselage covering. In hindsight covering the landing gear fairing at factory could and possibly would make more sense. >> The wing spars used in Fokker D.VIIs and D.VIIIs, (snip) so this may lend the possibility that the landing fairing was also covered in white or natural fabric. >Or in fact, none. Correct, but if they didn't cover the spars, I certainly would say the likely hood for the axle fairing to be covered would be less credible in supporting the theory. > Bear in mind that the D.VII axle fairing was different between manufacturers and at different periods, the early Fokker fairing being a maintenance nightmare. I can imagine the manufacturer wrapping fabric around a complete fairing (of the original sort) then doping it on as a strengthening measure, but once the fairings were split front/back or top/bottom the value of the fabric gets rather less and the cost and weight may have made it less sensible. In any case there are enough ripped up D.VII fairing pics to show fabric if it were there, (snip) If you would please give me a couple sources, I would be most appreciative. I would like to put this "to sleep" myself. The photos I've seen so far of D.VIIs is inconclusive, therefore the discussion. > (snip), and none that I can recall (though this is *really* IMHO because I'm 1000km from a picture of any Fokker of any sort. I've looked at a lot of Fokker photos, as I'm sure you have, and I've been concentrating on this feature for over two years. >Good luck with the research Dave. I don't entirely discount anything you've surmised here BTW - just devils advocacy because there seem to be quite a few other possibilities. These "observations" I've made are just that. My above statement where you have the "(snip)" demonstrates this with, "so this may lend the possibility", I hope you are taking my statements as intended, food for thought, ideas for discussion, not surmised facts. Don't take my responses as defensive. I appreciate your input and ideas, and I invite thought out conclusions rather than "Is not!", "Is too!" replies. I am interested in seeing what conclusions were drawn from the folks at Caproni, as I've heard the E.V/D.VIII is restored, or at least the fuselage. It's often difficult to find photos that can show the up close detail to show "fabric" or "no fabric". I have a couple of sources that I will try to follow up on and look forward to more discussion. Thanks again! Best Wishes, Dave Watts ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 19:54:08 -0000 From: "Nigel Rayner" To: Subject: VAMP 1/48 Fokker DII Message-ID: <000801bf5ba4$75e3f0e0$9b0b893e@nigelr> Hi all, The fictional Peter Leonard wrote: >Can't get the Vamp site to work properly at the moment, mostly I just get a >plain white screen. What's tantalising me is a *NEW* lable, rather than "in >preparation", against a 1/48 injection Fokker DII. Anybody know what it is? Just checked it out (in case you haven't). It is a Fokker DII, plastic with PE and decals by Gavia (never 'eard of 'em), $20. Box art looks great, I want one. Lubos, if you're out there, tell us all about it please..... And Peter, remind us how Lubos takes payment from us UK folks. BTW, there's also box art for a series 138 Berg by Flashback. Nice, but just finished the 115 and am not doing another! Get those wallets out gang.... Regards, Nigel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 14:17:48 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Fokker axle wings ... was Finishing coat Message-ID: I have not been following this thread as closely as I should have, I guess, because I'm confused. Fokker axle "wing", or fairings, were plywood, right? Why would they be covered at all? And I was under the impression that maintenance problems stemmed not from the fairings per se, but from the limited access they afforded to the axle/wheel suspension bungees. The plywood was often then sawn away to ease getting at these components to service them. Or am I just missing the point somewhere? I'll shut up now... Lance ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 12:28:37 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: VAMP 1/48 Fokker DII Message-ID: <200001102038.MAA29135@mail.rapidnet.net> Hmm, both the Gavia Fokker D.II and Flashback Aviatik D.I series 138 will be reviewed in the next Internet Modeler ..... you guys are a great publicity department. .. Bob And yes Matt, there will be some teeny-weeniess as well ---------- >From: "Nigel Rayner" > Just checked it out (in case you haven't). It is a Fokker DII, plastic with > PE and decals by Gavia (never 'eard of 'em), $20. Box art looks great, I > want one. Lubos, if you're out there, tell us all about it please..... And > Peter, remind us how Lubos takes payment from us UK folks. > > BTW, there's also box art for a series 138 Berg by Flashback. Nice, but just > finished the 115 and am not doing another! Get those wallets out gang.... > > Regards, > > Nigel > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 14:52:23 -0600 From: Mark Shannon To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Able, Baker, Charlie, Dog.... Message-ID: Dave Fletcher wrote amongst other things: >Radiotelephony was in its infancy and even >telephones lacked the clarity we take for granted today, so >getting the difference between "M" and "N" and "B" and "D" was >not always easy. Heck, even telephones today on some things. A little background. I sing in an opera chorus here in Austin. Yesterday was a full day of rehearsals with just a break for dinner. Several of us were going to go out for dinner together at a little barbecue/smokehouse restaurant called "Hoover's". Now, those of you not in the U.S. might be unfamiliar with a chain of restaurants that use an owl as the logo with the eyes formed in the two "O"'s of the restaurant name, a term that is often used to refer colloquially to some attractive features of the female human form, and is known for its waitresses in halter and hot pants. Guess what happened when one of the guys tried to tell his wife where to meet him for dinner.... The difference between a "T" and a "V" can do wonders for the understanding, can't it. .Mark. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 21:17:32 +0000 From: Pedro e Francisca To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Modeling and movies Message-ID: <387A4C6C.735B3735@mail.telepac.pt> Albatrosdv@aol.com wrote: > Have you *ever* how hard it would be to be a *good* > modeler, an adult modeler, and have to do it the way a kid would do it?? Not > easy. I guess I got in touch with my "inner child modeler" on that project. > > Tom Cleaver Leave it to me Tom. I do it all the time :-) Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 21:16:07 +0000 From: Pedro e Francisca To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Flying Machines Press Message-ID: <387A4C17.FCEF71CC@mail.telepac.pt> David Calhoun wrote: > I recently met Tom Darcey, co-author of IRAS. He told me that FMP is > ceasing to do business - That's pretty bad news, considering that a well known and beloved Canadian artist who fancies showing his skinny and hairy legs had some stuff coming out from them. I sincerely hope that Schiffer really goes forward with it, since the fellow doesn't deserve it at all. Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 21:40:13 +0000 From: Pedro e Francisca To: WW1 modeling list Subject: Scholars bookshelf Message-ID: <387A51BC.B85B2F01@mail.telepac.pt> Guys, Any of you who has ordered from this firm through the internet. Did you get an e-mail message to confirm the acceptance of your order? I faxed my order with the ordering form from the site but some days have passed and haven't had a message confirming the order. Since I still remember my affair with FMP quite clearly, I'm a bit worried. Is this normal? TIA Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 15:50:08 -0600 From: "Bill Bacon" To: Subject: Re: Scholars bookshelf Message-ID: <000b01bf5bb4$abf89860$413c32cf@tcac.net> Pedro, I don't remember if I got Gonfirmaqtion on my orders but lately, I ask for confirmation in my initial correspondence. E-mail or faax asking for confimation. Cheers, Bill B. ----- Original Message ----- From: Pedro e Francisca To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Monday, January 10, 2000 3:45 PM Subject: Scholars bookshelf > Guys, > > Any of you who has ordered from this firm through the internet. Did you > get an e-mail message to confirm the acceptance of your order? > > I faxed my order with the ordering form from the site but some days have > passed and haven't had a message confirming the order. Since I still > remember my affair with FMP quite clearly, I'm a bit worried. Is this > normal? > > TIA > > Pedro > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 15:57:09 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Windsock/Datafiles Message-ID: I know that almost everyone has long since received Windsock 15/6 and the Caproni Datafile, but I'm still waiting for mine. I've got a direct from Albatros subscription, surface delivery. Any other Yanks still waiting under the same circumstances, or is it time to send Ray and Angie a letter? Please advise.... Lance ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 14:03:01 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Flying Machines Press Message-ID: <200001102213.OAA00724@mail.rapidnet.net> > That's pretty bad news, considering that a well known and beloved Canadian > artist who fancies showing his skinny and hairy legs had some stuff coming out > from them. SKINNY !!!!!!!!!!! Why you. . . .. . > I sincerely hope that Schiffer really goes forward with it, since the fellow > doesn't deserve it at all. AFAIK they are .. we are discussing other titles as well .. so fingers crossed. skinny legs indeed .. humph Bob PS beloved ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 17:17:47 -0500 From: "Sharon Henderson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Able, Baker, Charlie, Dog.... Message-ID: <0001101717.AA47096@ft.sumter> > > >And is this right for current: > >Alpha, Bravo, Charlie, Delta, Echo, Foxtrot, Golf, Hotel, India, > >Juliet, Kilo, Lima, Mike, November, Oscar, Papa, Quebec, Romeo, > >Sierra, Tango, Uniform, Victor, Whiskey, X-ray, Yankee, Zulu > Very good. Now say it backwards with your eyes closed while touching > your nose.... OK, here goes: uluZ, eeknaY, yar-X, yeksihW, rotkiV, mrofinU, ognaT, arreiS, oemoR, cebeuQ, apaP, racsO, rebmevoN, ekiM, amiL, oliK, teiluJ, aidnI, letoH, floG, tortxoF, ohcE, atleD, eilrahC, ovarB, ahplA. JUST to keep E. from doing it first.... :-) Aww c'mon, you know I *had* to do it after a challenge like THAT! :-) And you'll have to take my wlord for touching my nose... eyes were opened, tho. Thanks for all the wonderful info! Your article is great, David! Thanks! Sharon, No Longer Phonetically Challenged.... :-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 08:23:59 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Able, Baker, Charlie, Dog.... Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1BB8@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Sharon > Alpha, Bravo, Charlie, Delta, Echo, Foxtrot, Golf, Hotel, India, > Juliet, Kilo, Lima, Mike, November, Oscar, Papa, Quebec, > Romeo, Sierra, > Tango, Uniform, Victor, Whiskey, X-ray, Yankee, Zulu > Lawdy, lawdy. As an old siggie, I could recite that in my sleep, and probably did sometimes. Yes, that's the current *International* phonetic alphabet, as distinct from earlier eras when US practice was not the same as UK practice was not the same as ....etc. As for OT - how much radio-telephony was there? Not much point in a phonetic alphabet when using morse, and if it was a rarity would an official alphabet be in use? Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 08:32:44 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Finishing coat Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1BB9@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Peter, > As anyone who ever bought a new car knows, leave it out on > the driveway and > in about a week it looks just as sh*tty as the old one. > ...and *matt* finished???? Don't compare modern baked auto finishes with WW1 era acetate dopes - look at the photos. It mightn't be possible to tell colours, but the high sheen of the vast majority of aircraft is pretty obvious IMHO. *Not* that I suggest anyone build model aircraft with mirror finishes - they'd look pretty stupid. And the degree of gloss is a matter of scale and personal preference, but just the same a matt finish looks just as unreal as a high gloss one. Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 16:40:32 -0600 From: Tom Solinski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Modeling and movies Message-ID: <387A5FE0.7A9B1BE4@ionet.net> > << Granted, nothing on topic, but it was great seeing modeling being done in > the movies! > >> > Same thing is going to happen in the upcoming Disney movie, "the Kid," for > which yrs trly has been doing some models for the F/X company. Had to argue > with them a bit about what the models should look like: like they were built > by a master modeler or like by a 10-year old kid? They finally got my drift - > unfortunately! Unfortunately where these two add a positive light. Once again in Galaxy quest the modeler is depicted in our true form of techno geek bordering on the fringes of sane society. "Just a 'nuther minute honey I'll get that trash out. Soon as I finish this message to the list.." M2C Tom S ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 08:42:37 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Able, Baker, Charlie, Dog.... Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1BBA@mimhexch.mim.com.au> > Very good. Now say it backwards with your eyes closed while > touching your nose.... > In Sigs school we had to do this (except the nose bit). Also to be able to spell out a lengthy message in phonetics, clearly, correctly and within a fairly tight time limit. They made it tricky by including words in the text which were also members of the phonetic alphabet - for example you might find yourself spelling out Echo-Charlie-Hotel-Oscar part way through. It's amazing how easy it is to stuff this up under time pressure and fail the test ! Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 16:39:30 -0600 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: RE: Finishing coat Message-ID: <200001102241.OAA13916@raven.a001.sprintmail.com> On Mon, 10 Jan 2000 17:36:00 -0500 (EST), Shane Weier wrote: > > As anyone who ever bought a new car knows, leave it out on > > the driveway and > > in about a week it looks just as sh*tty as the old one. > > > > ..and *matt* finished???? That must really be ugly! ;-) Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 08:53:55 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Fokker axle wings ... was Finishing coat Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1BBB@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Lance, > I have not been following this thread as closely as I should > have, I guess, because I'm confused. > > Fokker axle "wing", or fairings, were plywood, right? Why > would they be covered at all? For strength, maybe (or maybe not - that was the point of the discussion, since the photo of the fairing on the Caproni Museum D.VIII appears to have fabric) > > And I was under the impression that maintenance problems > stemmed not from the fairings per se, but from the limited > access they afforded to the axle/wheel suspension bungees. Coreect. Which is what I said - or at least what I meant - in so far as they split them fore/aft or top bottom depending on the factory after the original solid fairing was a PITA to work with due to access problems. > The plywood was often then sawn away to ease getting at these > components to service them. Only on early Fokkers. Later machines had fairings which were designed to be removed for access to the bungees. > > Or am I just missing the point somewhere? This is discussed at length in the D.VII Anthology if you have access to it. > > I'll shut up now... Me too. Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 17:54:19 -0500 From: "David Vosburgh" To: "WWI Mailing List" Subject: Re: Modeling and Movies Message-ID: <001b01bf5bbd$a1659980$70d690d0@Pvosburg> Matt writes: >My family and I saw _Stuart Little_ today. They show the human >child in the movie building models! Cool. Granted, nothing on >topic, but it was great seeing modeling being done in the movies! Wrong-o, Matt. The father in the movie was Hugh Laurie, who played Lt. George Colthurst St. Barleigh on "Blackadder Goes Forth". In one episode Capt. B and George transferred to the RFC and were shot down by the Red Baron; therefore your post is definitely on-topic. "Woof, woof!", as Lord Flasheart would say. DV ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 09:01:45 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Finishing coat Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1BBD@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Matt, > > > As anyone who ever bought a new car knows, leave it out on > > > the driveway and > > > in about a week it looks just as sh*tty as the old one. > > > > > > > ..and *matt* finished???? > > That must really be ugly! ;-) > Absolutely. But the worst thing is that when it happens they also shrink by 33.3 % Mini Minor was 50% bigger until it got wet - inevitable in England so by the time you got them overseas they were already scaled down ;-) Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. 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