WWI Digest 2079 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Don Martin by Robert M Farrar III 2) Stainless steel wire by "Tom Werner Hansen" 3) RE: Paneling a 'tros by Shane Weier 4) Re: Pistachios, Etc. by KarrArt@aol.com 5) Re: Pistachios, Etc. by Ray_Boorman@telus.net 6) Re: Help with C'nC article, Please! by "Andy Kemp" 7) RE: your mail by Edd Pflum 8) Re: Pfalz D.IIIa progress... by "Leonard Endy" 9) Re: Danish -- Help by "Steve Cox" 10) Re: Brass Etchings by "Roger L. Belanger" 11) Re: Pistachios, Etc. by "Michael S. Alvarado" 12) Bristol M1C by "Steve Cox" 13) Flying Machines Press by "David Calhoun" 14) Modeling and movies by "Matthew Bittner" 15) Carpena decals by "Matthew Bittner" 16) Re: Modeling and movies by Albatrosdv@aol.com 17) Re: Photos for Robert Karr by KarrArt@aol.com 18) Re: Danish -- Help by Dennis Ugulano 19) RE: Paneling a 'tros by "cameron rile" 20) Re: Modeling and movies by Ernest Thomas 21) Re: Modeling and movies by Zulis@aol.com 22) Re: ebay alert by Ernest Thomas 23) Re: Danish -- Help by "Lee Mensinger" 24) Re: Pistachios, Etc. by KarrArt@aol.com 25) Re: your mail by KarrArt@aol.com 26) RE: Finishing coat by Dave Watts 27) RE: Finishing coat by Shane Weier 28) Re: Pistachios, Etc. by "Peter Leonard" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 11:57:49 -0600 From: Robert M Farrar III To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Don Martin Message-ID: <3878CC1D.CDB8F93A@airmail.net> Well ya gotta keep that sense 'o humor! ZAPPA rules! :-) sorry, just had to reply Bob DAVID BURKE wrote: > Am I the only one who feels like life is getting less and less funny and > enjoyable? > > Bill Gaines died a few years back. > > So did Zappa > > Charles Schultz isn't doing Peanuts anymore. > > Carrot Top is still doing stand-up comedy and movies. > > I'm going back to bed. > > DB ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 19:33:56 +0100 From: "Tom Werner Hansen" To: Subject: Stainless steel wire Message-ID: <001e01bf5ad4$a0235560$c6d2d9c1@default> > > Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 11:48:55 -0600 > From: "Matthew Bittner" > To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" > Subject: Re: FMP book + Small Parts catalogue + low melt metal for casting > Message-ID: <200001081808.KAA24659@magpie.a001.sprintmail.com> > > On Sat, 8 Jan 2000 12:48:44 -0500 (EST), Tom Werner Hansen wrote: > > > What I actually ordered the catalogue for was to see if these guys could be a good source for Stainless steel wire for rigging. But which stainless stell wire do I choose? > > I've been using stainless steel. > > > Matt Bittner > http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook > http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm > All right , so that removes the tungsten wire from the list, but I'm left with: 1. Stainless Steel type 304V, cheapest, extra bright finish, clean and "gun-barrel" straight. (used for dental wire, stylets, guide wires and catheder wires. 2. Stainless Steel Type 316V, about 20% more expensive, bright finish, clean and "gun barrel" straight, seems to be slightly purer that Type 304V 3. Stainless Steel 17-7 PH Spring wire. I guess this is not what I want. 4. Stainless Steel type 304V, Annelaed. Soft steel, malleable, I don't know if this is soft enough to use instead of lead wire. Comes on 25' spools , 5, 7, 10 thou thicknesses and more. I guess I answered my own question. What I need is probably 304V. Tom W ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 04:17:31 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Paneling a 'tros Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1BB2@mimhexch.mim.com.au> SP, > Shane did you notice that when > you looked at the AWM's tross? Can anyone with the NASM book on Stropp > check and see if > that is addressed in either photos or text explaining how > they applied the paneling? I'm in the lounge at the airport as I reply, about to fly out until Thursday night - so my photos of the AWM machine and NASM book are both out of reach for most of this week. Sorry! Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. 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RK ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 11:32:53 -0800 From: Ray_Boorman@telus.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Pistachios, Etc. Message-ID: <200001091933.LAA07113@smtpout.telus.net> Ah those famous Kamikaze words, from past experience hell hath no fury like a woman who's kitchen was raided, and from the captured trophies otherwise useless Kitchen Brika-brak gets turned into useful Model parts. Said female champion will notice something is missing, then with Radar turned on zoom into the exact position to notice where you have used the item. (even if its permanently hidden from view). Once found that one item that had lain useless and forgotten for many a year, will be the crown jewel of the kitchen and you will pay in every conversation for years after....... Or is it just English Ladies who are like that. Ray On 9 Jan 00, at 14:00, KarrArt@aol.com wrote: > For long time, I've had my eye on a particular drinking "glass" that's > been in the cupboard for years- it's plastic, and it could be made > into a perfect cowl for some large scale model- maybe a > Nieuport.......maybe it will just "disappear" quietly someday....... > RK > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 19:34:01 -0000 From: "Andy Kemp" To: Subject: Re: Help with C'nC article, Please! Message-ID: <015001bf5ad9$29dcc300$2d4a8cd4@675> Hi Mike, > Would it be possible for someone to scan and e-mail to me a copy of the = > Austro-Hungarian Sworl Fabric article by Martin O'Connor in the Vol.19, = > No.2 issue of the Cross and Cockade International Journal (GB). You could always try buying a copy of the original journal, which is still available. Andy Kemp www.crossandcockade.com Society of WW1 Aero Historians ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 13:46:26 -0600 From: Edd Pflum To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: your mail Message-ID: <01BF5AA7.ED833320.eddp@netzero.net> > May I suggest the Skytrex Thomas Morse Scout in 1:144 scale? Would be > the perfect salt to this pepper.... >LOL - you could display it on the current model's seat for scale comparison! Let's see...the Tommy is about 1:12 scale. You could have a 1:12 figure standing next to the 1:12 scale model, holding the 1:144 scale model as if it was a 1:12 scale model. Then you could have a 1:144 scale figure holding a 1:20736 scale model... (Modeling dreams...modeling nightmares) -Edd __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 16:09:17 -0500 From: "Leonard Endy" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Pfalz D.IIIa progress... Message-ID: On Sun, 9 Jan 2000 12:47:43 -0500 (EST), you wrote: >Wow Len, > > I did my ersatz D.IIIa as von Holtzern's plane and used AeroMaster >decals, and I had no trouble whatsoever. Maybe you had a bad sheet. > As it turns out I used the Aeromaster sheet for everything except the Pfalz logos and fuselage stripes/star/cross combo. Could have just been a screw-up on my part. I did cut out a solid black star for the upper wing from a solid sheet. As far as progress...a semi-gloss clear coat in an hour or two and then final assembly/rigging. Another day or so...have to go to work tomorrow. Len ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 17:18:25 +0000 From: "Steve Cox" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Danish -- Help Message-ID: Dennis, I don't have three double sided sheets -- I have four! 1 has the exploded view and colour/marking schemes and some Danish text. 2 & 3 have pictures, plus a translation of the text on sheet 1. Sheet 4 is yellow paper, full of text (in Danish) on both sides. This is what I hope to get translated Regards Steve =========================================== steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk http://www.oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk If I didn't spend so much time on line ‹‹ I'd get more models finished ================ ---------- >From: Dennis Ugulano >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: Danish -- Help >Date: Sun, Jan 9, 2000, 3:04 am > > Steve, > > I can't help with the translation but I do have all three sheets of > the instructions and the English is quite compete. Do you have three > double sided sheets of instructions and photos? If not, that may be the > problem. I can copy them for you. > > Dennis Ugulano > email: Uggies@compuserve.com > http://members.xoom.com/Uggies/dju.htm > Page Revised 9/12/99 > "Every modeller will rise to his own level of masochism" > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 17:25:19 -0500 From: "Roger L. Belanger" To: Subject: Re: Brass Etchings Message-ID: <003e01bf5af0$6b2faa40$aff44f0c@rogerbel> Thanks for your help John ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Glaser" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 9:54 PM Subject: RE: Brass Etchings > Roger: > > Barry has a very good how-to article on his site at > http://www.swiftsite.com/rosemonthobby/etchinfo.htm > > Also, if you are using Outlook or Outlook Express, please change the mail > properties of the WW1 List in address book to "send as plain text" It keeps > the rest of us from seeing all the message overhead. > > HTH > > - JCG > > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > Roger L. Belanger > Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 6:54 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Brass Etchings > > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_0077_01BF587E.F6AFC060 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > I have had some trouble with etchings being too soft and too easy to = > bend, does anyone have any solutions to this problem. I have Considered = > heating them to anneal and make them harder What are your thoughts = > anyone.Roger Belanger > > ------=_NextPart_000_0077_01BF587E.F6AFC060 > Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > charset=3Diso-8859-1"> > > > > >
I have had some trouble with etchings being too soft = > and too=20 > easy to bend, does anyone have any solutions to this problem. I = > have =20 > Considered heating them to anneal and make them harder What are your = > thoughts=20 > anyone.Roger Belanger
> > ------=_NextPart_000_0077_01BF587E.F6AFC060-- > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 17:41:28 -0500 From: "Michael S. Alvarado" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Pistachios, Etc. Message-ID: <38790E97.31139A69@bellatlantic.net> Tis the expression of a common female gene. Alvie Ray_Boorman@telus.net wrote: > Ah those famous Kamikaze words, from past experience hell hath > no fury like a woman who's kitchen was raided, and from the > captured trophies otherwise useless Kitchen Brika-brak gets turned > into useful Model parts. > > Said female champion will notice something is missing, then with > Radar turned on zoom into the exact position to notice where you > have used the item. (even if its permanently hidden from view). > Once found that one item that had lain useless and forgotten for > many a year, will be the crown jewel of the kitchen and you will > pay in every conversation for years after....... > > Or is it just English Ladies who are like that. > > Ray > On 9 Jan 00, at 14:00, KarrArt@aol.com wrote: > > > For long time, I've had my eye on a particular drinking "glass" that's > > been in the cupboard for years- it's plastic, and it could be made > > into a perfect cowl for some large scale model- maybe a > > Nieuport.......maybe it will just "disappear" quietly someday....... > > RK > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 23:27:55 +0000 From: "Steve Cox" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Bristol M1C Message-ID: Hi all I have just uploaded some pictures of the Bristol M1C at the Shuttleworth Collection onto my web site Regards Steve =========================================== steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk http://www.oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk If I didn't spend so much time on line ‹‹ I'd get more models finished ================ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 18:56:09 -0800 From: "David Calhoun" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: Flying Machines Press Message-ID: <000b01bf5bdf$6b579600$1a0b3ccc@oemcomputer> I recently met Tom Darcey, co-author of IRAS. He told me that FMP is ceasing to do business - one of the owners is going through a messy divorce. They will not be printing any new books, and all remaining titles are limited to stock on hand. He said there are approx. 800 copies of IRAS still available, but Austro Hungarian Army Aircraft is completely sold out. I do not know the status of any other titles. All remaining books were purchased by Schiffer. Hopefully they will publish the Grosz German books, but at this time the future of all projects is unknown. This is bad news to anyone who does not yet have these books - the prices are sure to go way up. Better buy them up if you have the chance. Dave Calhoun ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 18:58:17 -0600 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Modeling and movies Message-ID: <200001100103.RAA04631@crow.a001.sprintmail.com> My family and I saw _Stuart Little_ today. They show the human child in the movie building models! Cool. Granted, nothing on topic, but it was great seeing modeling being done in the movies! Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 19:11:55 -0600 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Carpena decals Message-ID: <200001100114.RAA10542@crow.a001.sprintmail.com> I'm not sure if this is known or not, but here's the URL for Carpena: http://www.decalco.com/ Most of the decals have images, and while there appears to be only two on topic, the rest may find favor with others. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 20:40:31 EST From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Modeling and movies Message-ID: <26.26c4576c.25aa928f@aol.com> In a message dated 00-01-09 20:05:22 EST, you write: << Granted, nothing on topic, but it was great seeing modeling being done in the movies! >> Same thing is going to happen in the upcoming Disney movie, "the Kid," for which yrs trly has been doing some models for the F/X company. Had to argue with them a bit about what the models should look like: like they were built by a master modeler or like by a 10-year old kid? They finally got my drift - unfortunately! Have you *ever* how hard it would be to be a *good* modeler, an adult modeler, and have to do it the way a kid would do it?? Not easy. I guess I got in touch with my "inner child modeler" on that project. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 21:20:02 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Photos for Robert Karr Message-ID: In a message dated 1/8/00 8:19:46 AM Pacific Standard Time, steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk writes: << Robert, > I'm always interested in almost ANY photos! I've put some more reference pictures on my web site, Sopwith 1 1/2 strutter, Tabloid, Vickers FB5 plus my FB19 model. I'll add some more and post a message later. Regards Steve >> You have some fine photos there! One especially of the Gunbus shows one of the things that attracts me to WW I airplanes- the different kinds of woods and textures- a rich brown prop behind a yellowish tan strut- a great set, and those huge Strutter pics are worth the wait. RK ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 21:30:36 -0500 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Danish -- Help Message-ID: <200001092130_MC2-93F7-E611@compuserve.com> Steve, >> Sheet 4 is yellow paper, full of text (in Danish) on both sides. << I don't have that sheet. Sounds like you have a full history of the planes. Should prove to be interesting when its translated. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://members.xoom.com/Uggies/dju.htm Page Revised 9/12/99 "Every modeller will rise to his own level of masochism" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 22:00:04 -0500 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Paneling a 'tros Message-ID: Steve, >I'm in the lounge at the airport as I reply, about to fly out until Thursday >night - so my photos of the AWM machine and NASM book are both out of reach >for most of this week. Sorry! I have photos of the Stropp and the Rhinebeck aircraft at; http://members.xoom.com/artattack/rhinebeck99.htm The photos I have of the AWM Albatros arent as detailed as those as I took them several years ago before this bug really hit. If you need them Ill scan what photos I have of the AWM Alb. cam ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail and Homepage at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jan 1980 20:58:53 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Modeling and movies Message-ID: <12D415EC.35CF29B9@bellsouth.net> Albatrosdv@aol.com wrote: > Have you *ever* how hard it would be to be a *good* > modeler, an adult modeler, and have to do it the way a kid would do it?? Not > easy. Yes. That's exactly what I'm going through with these war game tokens. E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 22:08:36 EST From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Modeling and movies Message-ID: << Have you *ever* how hard it would be to be a *good* modeler, an adult modeler, and have to do it the way a kid would do it?? Not easy. >> Ah, Tom.... I dont share your heavy burden of being a good modeller. They should have sent the assignment to me .... all my stuff looks like it was built by a ten-year-old. Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jan 1980 21:12:00 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: ebay alert Message-ID: <12D418FF.DB90AA1B@bellsouth.net> --------------6EC062320546857E8B599C56 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Peter Leonard wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=229250002 > > Ending to-day is a Formaplane Phonix Scout in tiny scale. Not familiar with > this one, but Formaplane did some good stuff. I saw this this morning and thought,"I'm not interested in building a 1/72 vac". So I didn't even click on the link Peter provided. Turns out that my war game customer was the high bidder on this and I will eventually be building this model. E. --------------6EC062320546857E8B599C56 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  

Peter Leonard wrote:

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=229250002

Ending to-day is a Formaplane Phonix Scout in tiny scale. Not familiar with
this one, but Formaplane did some good stuff.

I saw this this morning and thought,"I'm not interested in building a 1/72 vac". So I didn't even click on the link Peter provided. Turns out that my war game customer was the high bidder on this and I will eventually be building this model.
E.
  --------------6EC062320546857E8B599C56-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 21:28:04 -0600 From: "Lee Mensinger" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu, steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk, Subject: Re: Danish -- Help Message-ID: <387951C4.B4883C37@wireweb.net> If it is possible, you can copy the words, into an e-mail message with correct spelling and send that to almost any one. If they can read Danish and speak English you will have a translation very soon. This WW I group sure has some interesting problems. Lee Just another suggestion. Lee Steve Cox wrote: > Dennis, > I don't have three double sided sheets -- I have four! > 1 has the exploded view and colour/marking schemes and some Danish text. > 2 & 3 have pictures, plus a translation of the text on sheet 1. > Sheet 4 is yellow paper, full of text (in Danish) on both sides. This is > what I hope to get translated > > Regards > Steve > =========================================== > steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk > http://www.oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk > If I didn't spend so much time on line > I'd get more models finished > ================ > > ---------- > >From: Dennis Ugulano > >To: Multiple recipients of list > >Subject: Re: Danish -- Help > >Date: Sun, Jan 9, 2000, 3:04 am > > > > > Steve, > > > > I can't help with the translation but I do have all three sheets of > > the instructions and the English is quite compete. Do you have three > > double sided sheets of instructions and photos? If not, that may be the > > problem. I can copy them for you. > > > > Dennis Ugulano > > email: Uggies@compuserve.com > > http://members.xoom.com/Uggies/dju.htm > > Page Revised 9/12/99 > > "Every modeller will rise to his own level of masochism" > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 22:56:03 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Pistachios, Etc. Message-ID: <89.8974679e.25aab253@aol.com> In a message dated 1/9/00 2:55:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, sm5192@bellatlantic.net writes: << > Once found that one item that had lain useless and forgotten for > many a year, will be the crown jewel of the kitchen and you will > pay in every conversation for years after....... > > Or is it just English Ladies who are like that. > > Ray >> I think it's universal.......Scando/American ladies are the same. To avoid any gender battles, an alternate source of interesting plastic shapes is the kind of store that sells partry supplies- festive napkins, balloons, plastic sporks- that kind of thing....a stack of plastic champagne "glasses" can be had for next to nothing RK ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 22:56:05 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: your mail Message-ID: <34.341ff01f.25aab255@aol.com> In a message dated 1/9/00 11:45:20 AM Pacific Standard Time, eddp@netzero.net writes: << Let's see...the Tommy is about 1:12 scale. You could have a 1:12 figure standing next to the 1:12 scale model, holding the 1:144 scale model as if it was a 1:12 scale model. Then you could have a 1:144 scale figure holding a 1:20736 scale model... (Modeling dreams...modeling nightmares) -Edd >> I once scratchbuilt Oswald Boelcke in 1/6 scale. I later built a small 1/48 airport cafe and decorated it inside with models of stuff around our house- including a 1/48 model of a 1/6 Boelcke. I may have to go back and make a 1/48 model of the 1/48 cafe itself which would then include a 1/48 model of 1/48 version of a 1/6 Lil Oswald. RK my brain hurts ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 23:33:20 -0500 From: Dave Watts To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Finishing coat Message-ID: <200001100434.XAA57034@ind.cioe.com> Sorry to resurrect a "dead horse", but I've been busy. At 11:55 AM 12/28/99 -0500, "D", "dfernet" wrote; >Sanjeev The Fok DVIII had a lozenge printed fabric covering in its fuselage, metal cowling and its wings (principal and her little sister down the undercarriage) were painted wood. Sometimes pictures show gloss cowls, maybe because the ground crew kept them polished. The wings had an uneven finish, because the wood was affected by moisture and sunlight. Look at period photographs. Maybe a brand new Fok EV had their wings gloss. The doped fabric fuselage would appear as satin, but a weathered airplane would have looked flat, IMHO. I write; A long time ago we discussed the use of lozenge fabric on the E.V/D.VIII, and I contended that in the Datafile on E.V/D.VIII and a article in WW1 Aero, (sorry not to quote the exact pages, as I can't get to them at this time), it was shown from the Caproni E.V/D.VIII that the fabric used to cover the seat was lozenge fabric, and I have photos taken at the Fokker factory showing the rudder of the E.V/D.VIII is covered in lozenge and then overpainted in white. The point I'm interested in is, that in the photos of the Caproni Museum E.V/D.VIII you can see the landing gear wing is covered with a "reinforcing" fabric of some sort. I can't make out from the photo if it is indeed lozenge, but it would reason that since they used lozenge for the seat covering, fuselage baffle behind the seat, and covering of the rudder, that they would use it for covering the landing gear fairing. Just wondering if anyone has an opinion. Or.... is it this way; The wing spars used in Fokker D.VIIs and D.VIIIs, (and probably others such as Dr.I and D.VI), had fabric overlayed on the top and bottom of the spars, as well as fabric completely wrapping around the spar where fittings or access panels for the aielron pulleys, etc. were located. The fabric used in these cases was white or natural, so this may lend the possibility that the landing fairing was also covered in white or natural fabric. I speculate that the lozenge was used at the Fokker factory, and the white/natural was used at the "piano/furniture" factories that were jobbed out to manufacture the wings, and therefore since they had no access to the lozenge, they would have used the white/natural for the landing gear fairing. That's assuming that the wings were shipped "bare bones" to Fokker where they covered them in lozenge. Any thoughts? Best, Dave ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 16:01:02 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Finishing coat Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1BB7@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Dave > Maybe a brand new Fok EV had their wings > gloss. The > doped fabric fuselage would appear as satin, but a weathered > airplane would > have looked flat, IMHO. Weathered for how long? Most of them had perilously short periods at the front, mostly because they went in to service right at the end of the war. Looking at the pics the less "dimply" surfaces are nice and shiny where the light glances off - to be expected because they're probably brand new *though* the dimples appeared almost immediately due not to weathering but to stresses. More dimpled aircraft don't look so glossy. You could assume that's because the "weathering" has made teh paint flat OR because the dimpling leaves much smaller surfaces to produce the large specular reflections which give the hint of glossiness (sort of like a greatly magnified example of the surfaces of gloss and matt paint respectively) > The point I'm interested in is, that > in the photos > of the Caproni Museum E.V/D.VIII you can see the landing gear wing is > covered with a "reinforcing" fabric of some sort. Do we know *when* the fabric was applied? At the factory? In the field to effect a repair? By someone in Italy much later? Frankly, the only ones able to confirm that now will be the people who strip the axle wing back, because if they're decent historians they'll be noting the composition of every layer as they pull it apart. I'm certainly not game to guess on the basis of a B&W photo in a magazine. > I can't make out from > the photo if it is indeed lozenge, ....or when i t was applied? I don't mean to confuse a great theory, but personally I'd prove whether they really applied the fabric at the factory before I worried about the colour. > The wing spars used in Fokker D.VIIs and D.VIIIs, (snip) > so this may lend the possibility > that the landing fairing was also covered in white or natural > fabric. Or in fact, none. Bear in mind that the D.VII axle fairing was different between manufacturers and at different periods, the early Fokker fairing being a maintenance nightmare. I can imagine the manufacturer wrapping fabric around a complete fairing (of the original sort) then doping it on as a strengthening measure, but once the fairings were split front/back or top/bottom the value of the fabric gets rather less and the cost and weight may have made it less sensible. In any case there are enough ripped up D.VII fairing pics to show fabric if it were there, and none that I can recall (though this is *really* IMHO because I'm 1000km from a picture of any Fokker of any sort. Good luck with the research Dave. I don't entirely discount anything you've surmised here BTW - just devils advocacy because there seem to be quite a few other possibilities. Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. 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