WWI Digest 2074 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Aurora kits by "David Calhoun" 2) RE: Aurora kits by Shane Weier 3) Belgian War Graves by REwing@aol.com 4) Re: Still another source for FMP Boks by KarrArt@aol.com 5) Re: Scale Model calculator by "cameron rile" 6) Re: 1/144th scale DH-2 by KarrArt@aol.com 7) Re: Thoughts on trouble accessing Chandelle by "David C. Fletcher" 8) Americal French Roundel colours by Michael Kendix 9) Re: Thoughts on trouble accessing Chandelle by smperry@mindspring.com 10) Chris Gannon flaming by Shane & Lorna Jenkins 11) Re: Thoughts on trouble accessing Chandelle by Mike Fletcher 12) Re: Scale Model calculator by Mick Fauchon 13) Re: Morane photos by KarrArt@aol.com 14) Pistacchio Nut Shell Seats by "cameron rile" 15) Free web site by "Jim Landon" 16) Re: Scale Model calculator by Ray_Boorman@telus.net 17) Re: Chris Gannon flaming by Albatrosdv@aol.com 18) Re: Free web site by Albatrosdv@aol.com 19) Contorsionist WAS: magnifier by "dfernet0" 20) Re: Pistacchio Nut Shell Seats by "Paul G." 21) RE: Web space by "dfernet0" 22) Re: Americal French Roundel colours by "Matthew Bittner" 23) Re: Chris Gannon flaming by smperry@mindspring.com 24) Re: MoS Type-L # 356 by "Matthew Bittner" 25) Re: Americal French Roundel colours by "Michael Kendix" 26) passchendaele by "Harris, Mack" 27) Re: Americal French Roundel colours by "Matthew Bittner" 28) Re: Chris Gannon flaming by "Lee Mensinger" 29) Re: Chris Gannon flaming by Albatrosdv@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 21:59:37 -0800 From: "David Calhoun" To: Subject: Aurora kits Message-ID: <013401bf58d4$6385fe20$0d3c3ccc@oemcomputer> Hi all W.W. I modelers, I have a few collectors kits that I am looking to sell or trade for newer resin 1/48 kits. I figured I'd put them on the web before going to ebay. If interested, or you need more details e-mail me off list. 1. Bristol F2B Fighter #776 white box 1976 2. Breguet 14 #1141-260 (this is Canadian issue, Aurora logo on K&B box) 1972 3. Boeing F4B-4 #1122-170 K&B 1972 4. Major Lanoe Hawker's DeHavilland D.H.2 aeroskin all are in good condition with slightly damaged boxes. If interested, make an offer. Thanks, Dave Calhoun -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Bittner To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Thursday, January 06, 2000 9:06 AM Subject: Joey's IM Index >I just put up Joey's Internet Modeler index. Here's the URL: > >http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook/IM_index.html > >Thanks, Joey! > > >Matt Bittner > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 13:08:16 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Aurora kits Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1BAE@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Dave > 1. Bristol F2B Fighter #776 white box 1976 > 2. Breguet 14 #1141-260 (this is Canadian issue, Aurora logo > on K&B box) > 1972 > 3. Boeing F4B-4 #1122-170 K&B 1972 These and other Auroras are currently on sale on ebay from (I assume) someone else. I was *highly* amused to see the Aurora Pfalz D.III with a starting price of US$69.99, about 10 times what it's worth IMHO - but despite the pile of kits in my shelves I'm not a collector. I should imagine you'll get a good price there form someone - good luck. Shane (who never saw an Aurora until he was over 30, and therefore unafflicted by any nostalgia for kits which are *now* expensive POS except to collectors, however cheap and enjoyable they were in the 50's) ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 22:15:40 EST From: REwing@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Belgian War Graves Message-ID: <66.66d28183.25a6b45c@aol.com> Hello all, Another hobby that keeps me busy with research is genealogy. I received the following post from Missing Links, Vol.5, No.1, and thought some of you might be interested. -Rick- << BELGIAN WAR GRAVES, WW I (1914-1918). Contains a page (Roll of Honour) where you can download cemetery registers (on 12/30/99 there were 23 registers with nearly 13,000 names). Prepared by Patrick De Wolf >> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 22:16:13 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Still another source for FMP Boks Message-ID: In a message dated 1/6/00 2:58:13 PM Pacific Standard Time, bpearson@rapidnet.net writes: << Eeeeeeek I've been marked down. . oh the ignominy of it all Bob >> get used to it...here's a hanky- go wipe your nose and it'll all be ok RK (who's been devalued a time or two himself) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 22:23:15 -0500 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Scale Model calculator Message-ID: <0A58725C294C3D115A620005B80A9E19@cameron.prontomail.com> >I have had to reformat my drive and did not think to save the scale = >model calculator, can anyone give me the URL. I made a javascript one that needs finishing. Will try to get to it and offer it to Alan so it is in a central place for all to access. I did it as an example at work in some down time when I was practising with interactive forms. cam ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail and Homepage at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 22:32:24 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 1/144th scale DH-2 Message-ID: <22.22aa2977.25a6b848@aol.com> In a message dated 1/5/00 9:45:00 PM Pacific Standard Time, Suvoroff@aol.com writes: << Anybody who wants to see what a 1/144th scale DH-2 looks like, Allan just posted one on his website for me. He also posted some updated (digital camera) photos of stuff I already had on there. Yours, James D. Gray >> You, sir, are insane. RK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 19:56:25 -0800 From: "David C. Fletcher" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Thoughts on trouble accessing Chandelle Message-ID: <387563E9.2014EDE5@mars.ark.com> Bill Bacon wrote: "Adding a second hard drive is easy. Just follow the instructions that come with the drive. I've done it and it works." Careful! Tom has a Packard-Bell and just about everything is proprietary. Better get the opinion of an expert. I've put in an extra hard drive, too, but on a more generic PC. I once owned a P-B and I couldn't upgrade it at anything like an affordable price as nothing "off-the-shelf" would fit. Dave Fletcher -- Visit us at our Home Page: ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 22:58:07 EST From: Michael Kendix To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Americal French Roundel colours Message-ID: <20000106.225730.4447.0.mkendix@juno.com> I am using Americal roundels and tail stripes for the Farman F-40bis and I wondered if anyone (Matt?) can tell me what colour paint to use for touch-ups on the Red and Blue; FS numbers would help or just the name of paint colour. I use water based acrylics. Michael ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 22:59:40 -0500 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: Thoughts on trouble accessing Chandelle Message-ID: <002e01bf58c3$a16b6420$880956d1@default> Tom has a > Packard-Bell and just about everything is proprietary Packard Bell, talk about endless fodder for scathing reviews... sp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 15:27:33 +1100 From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins To: WW1 posts Subject: Chris Gannon flaming Message-ID: <38756B35.C7DEE24B@tac.com.au> Someone who shold know better, but obviously doesn't, posted the following drivel: >> One would think that, as the country that invented the Industrial Revolution, the warm beer boys would finally be able to figure these things out, but as Chris Gannon proves..... << Hi gang, This flaming of Chris Gannon is IMNSHO is starting to get really personal and is going too f***ing far. Now bearing in mind that I've yet to try my hand at a BM kit, I have seen most of the BM range "in the plastic". From what I could see, you get what you pay for - esp if you order direct from the source. Every kit, no matter what the price, has it's faults. NO manufacturer is innocent in this respect. So, unless you actually want to go beyond kits & start scratchbuilding your favorite subjects, you must learn to work around each kit's idiosyncracies. This usually provides ample opportunity to improve your skills, if you so desire. Generally speaking, if a kit is released of a favoured subject in the modeller's chosen scale, they'll buy it, regardless of any perceived faults. Afterall, it's not as though there is a lot available in WW1 subjects across the board in comparision to other eras. While this situation is improving, there are still a number of aircraft for which there is only one version kitted. This means the modeller can chose to wait until tamigawa realeases a better kit, or get on with making a model. From previous discussions on this topic on the list, it should be obvious to all that Chris Gannon does stand by his product & will send you a replacement part for any perceived mould defect ie: a new wing to replace the Dreaded Wing Rippled one. I would much rather deal with a mfr, who follows this practise, then one who doesn't. It shows integrity & a belief in customer service. I've also seen people post on how to fix this "wing ripple". Basically, instead of bitching about his kits, how about some constructive hints on how to fix these percieved "errors". The better reviews/articles not only tell you the flaws, they tell you how to fix them. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 23:28:50 -0500 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Thoughts on trouble accessing Chandelle Message-ID: <38756B82.A1898325@home.com> Bill Bacon wrote: > Adding a second hard drive is easy. Just follow the instructions that come > with the drive. I've done it and it works. Only if he already has hardware support for a second drive Some proprietary machines provide only one harddrive controller - which handles 2 hard drives, or one CD-ROM drive and 1 hard drive. There are work arounds but the instructions will abandon you at this point. To bring it back on topic - I will be adding more drawings to the German page shortly (still waiting for the extra web space to activate) -- Mike Fletcher ___ ., mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; nieuport@home.com |--n--""*" http://members.home.net/nieuport/ icq=19554083 @ http://mars.ark.com/~mdf/nieuport.html (currenty with 3 hard drives partitioned into n-1 logical drives... and final custodian of said packard bell, which now has no functioning hard drive controllers) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 15:29:53 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Scale Model calculator Message-ID: Roger, > I have had to reformat my drive and did not think to save the scale = > model calculator, can anyone give me the URL.Roger Belanger As follows: http://www.hyperscale.com/reference.htm Cheers, Mick. > -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Client Services,IESD, Auchmuty Library| Ph. (intl+61+49) 218622 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 23:46:02 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Morane photos Message-ID: In a message dated 1/5/00 7:57:05 PM Pacific Standard Time, smperry@mindspring.com writes: << I've put photos of my recently finished Morane Saulnier Type L on my web page at: http://smperry.home.mindspring.com/gallery.htm >> OOB huh? A simple "I enjoyed looking the model very much, thank you for sharing" should suffice.......and I really liked the colors too! RK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 00:22:08 -0500 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Pistacchio Nut Shell Seats Message-ID: <6321F59E674C3D115A820005B80A2E33@cameron.prontomail.com> Someone mentioned I should put this to the list. I made two seat backs out of pistacchio shells tonight for the Jenny I am doing.I got five pounds of Pistacchios for Xmas (?). They cut ok as they splintered to the lower edges of the shell. They didnt splinter when I filed them or sanded them and they have a real nice woody colour and grain to them (naturally). I did it beacuse I had five pounds of them lying around and because I have trouble bending styrene to the shape I want. I also like wood in the cockpit even if it is oversized. The trouble though was, doing one was ok, but trying to find another shell for the back seat with the same bow was a pain. The one I settled on is close but not quite. cam http://members.xoom.com/PointCook/index.htm ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail and Homepage at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 22:11:20 PST From: "Jim Landon" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Free web site Message-ID: <20000107061121.60507.qmail@hotmail.com> Matt said <> Have you considered freeyellow.com ? That's the one I use. 12 MB completely free. No problems. Jim ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 22:12:51 -0800 From: Ray_Boorman@telus.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Scale Model calculator Message-ID: <200001070613.WAA19790@smtpout.telus.net> Mick, I think a bit got chopped off the page reference. Heres the full link. http://www.hyperscale.com/reference/calculatorfc_1.htm On 6 Jan 00, at 23:35, Mick Fauchon wrote: > > > Roger, > > > I have had to reformat my drive and did not think to save the scale > > = model calculator, can anyone give me the URL.Roger Belanger > > As follows: > > http://www.hyperscale.com/reference.htm > > > Cheers, > > Mick. > > > > > > -- -- > Mick Fauchon | Internet: > ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Client Services,IESD, Auchmuty Library| > Ph. (intl+61+49) 218622 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax > (intl+61+49) 215833 > > MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM > MMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: > "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M > M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army > talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M > M > MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM > MMMM > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 01:54:32 EST From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Chris Gannon flaming Message-ID: <21.211bb326.25a6e7a8@aol.com> In a message dated 00-01-06 23:25:07 EST, you write: << Someone who shold know better, but obviously doesn't, posted the following drivel: >> Sorry, a day spent trying to straighten out some of his "product" can leave one a bit short-tempered. I shall work to resist the temptation. Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 01:57:21 EST From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Free web site Message-ID: <2f.2f138ae8.25a6e851@aol.com> In a message dated 00-01-07 01:14:21 EST, you write: << Matt said <> >> Try here - 12MB, they say no ads on the site. http://www.homestead.com/ HTH Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 06:42:33 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: Contorsionist WAS: magnifier Message-ID: <002b01bf58f3$864306a0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> ----- Original Message ----- From: Shane Weier > I have a lighted one of these on my bench at all times. Given how bad my > eyesight is, I am often using it to differentiate between my ass and my > elbow. Shane! Just don't put them on the workbench at the same time.... ;-) D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 04:48:06 -0500 From: "Paul G." To: Subject: Re: Pistacchio Nut Shell Seats Message-ID: <006f01bf58f4$4d098fc0$55dc9bce@oemcomputer> Cam wrote: . The trouble though was, doing one was ok, but trying to find another > shell for the back seat with the same bow was a pain. The one I settled on is > close but not quite. > > > > > cam I'll be glad to help you find a matching pistacchio shell just send me what you haven't eaten yet! :^) Paul G. (who gladly delurks for food) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 07:43:13 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Web space Message-ID: <00a501bf58fb$ffda5ec0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Matt: www.webjump.com goes with a frame. www.freeservers.com 20M free space. You have your own domain name. Puts some banners unless you pay them $ 5.- www.freeyellow.com This one already mentioned by Jim L. but it's quite reliable and easy to use. Puts some banners. HTH D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew Bittner To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 3:13 PM Subject: Web space > I'm interested in finding some more free web space for another club here in fair Omaha. The one I maintain for our IPMS group is on geocities, so I know of that > space. However, what other ones are out there? I don't like xoom because it's so slow, but was wondering about the rest. Fortune city? Others? > > > Matt Bittner > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 04:54:58 -0600 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Americal French Roundel colours Message-ID: <200001071057.CAA25825@raven.a001.sprintmail.com> On Thu, 6 Jan 2000 23:02:45 -0500 (EST), Michael Kendix wrote: > I am using Americal roundels and tail stripes for the Farman F-40bis and > I wondered if anyone (Matt?) can tell me what colour paint to use for > touch-ups on the Red and Blue; FS numbers would help or just the name of > paint colour. I use water based acrylics. Well, I haven't found a perfect match for the red. I always have to mix that one. However, if you subscribe to the blue that Blue Rider, Americal and Pegasus use, I great match out of the bottle is the Aeromaster acrylic #1046, US Interm. Blue, ANA 608. I don't know if Polly Scale has this color or not (since Aeromaster is licensed Polly Scale). HTH. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 05:58:10 -0500 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: Chris Gannon flaming Message-ID: <003401bf58fe$16a65440$2c0356d1@default> > This flaming of Chris Gannon is IMNSHO is starting to get really > personal and is going too f***ing far. THANK YOU SHANE! > Every kit, no matter what the price, has it's faults. NO manufacturer is > innocent in this respect. It is impossible to commercially produce parts as nice as what a seasoned modeler can scratchbuild. This is why I like the way Passchendaele engineers their kits. A basic shape to which details are added. >This usually provides ample opportunity to improve your skills, if you so desire. Well Said. > From previous discussions on this topic on the list, it should be > obvious to all that Chris Gannon does stand by his product & will send > you a replacement part for any perceived mould defect ie: a new wing to > replace the Dreaded Wing Rippled one. I would much rather deal with a mfr, who >follows this practise, then one who doesn't. It shows integrity & a belief in customer >service. Try shooting an e-mail to Hasamyagawagram and see how soon a replacement part shows up postage free in your malbox. > Basically, instead of bitching about his kits, how about some constructive hints on > how to fix these percieved "errors". The better reviews/articles not > only tell you the flaws, they tell you how to fix them. They should also have sufficient command of the language to let their readers know what the kit is like, (good or bad),without being negative or attacking the manufacturer. There are very few BAD kits these days. The free market is brutally darwinnian in this respect and the really bad ones do not survive. Chris, Cyg, Eric, Barry, Bob of Sierra and others produce kits that build into very nice models. Some kits require more from the builder than others. Some builders enjoy the building process more than others. Hey, it's a hobby. For those who look for the perfectly accurate, completely detailed, everything fits, throw ayaw the putty model, well good luck, but you ain't gonna find it on this planet. If you are interested in modeling WWI subjects, then expect to put more work into building the limited run kits of subjects that will NEVER be kitted any other way. So when we review or comment about WWI kits on the WWI list, lets discuss the WWI kits in terms of WWI kits and restrain ourselves from grinding personal axes on this forum. Sorry for the rant, but it's been building for a while. sp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 05:02:39 -0600 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: MoS Type-L # 356 Message-ID: <200001071105.DAA27675@raven.a001.sprintmail.com> On Thu, 6 Jan 2000 18:43:46 -0500 (EST), smperry@mindspring.com wrote: > I did not have any references other than the instruction sheet and colors & > markings guide that came in the kit. I did this on purpose to make sure that > the model was entirely OOB. > > Does anyone know anything of the service history of No. 356? I think there's a general one in the Datafile on the type. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 05:56:28 PST From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Americal French Roundel colours Message-ID: <20000107135628.14887.qmail@hotmail.com> Matt: Thanks for the information. I do not subscribe to a particular "French Blue School of Thought":) My primary intention is to have all the blue decals on the kit, the same colour. I would have used the left-over roundels from the Flashback single-seat Sopwith Strutter but they are too small. BTW, do you have anything on your French WWI aeroplane pages about the "best" match for French roundel' colours? Michael >From: "Matthew Bittner" >Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 06:01:06 -0500 (EST) > >On Thu, 6 Jan 2000 23:02:45 -0500 (EST), Michael Kendix wrote: > > > I am using Americal roundels and tail stripes for the Farman F-40bis and > > I wondered if anyone (Matt?) can tell me what colour paint to use for > > touch-ups on the Red and Blue; FS numbers would help or just the name of > > paint colour. I use water based acrylics. > >Well, I haven't found a perfect match for the red. I always have >to mix that one. However, if you subscribe to the blue that Blue >Rider, Americal and Pegasus use, I great match out of the bottle >is the Aeromaster acrylic #1046, US Interm. Blue, ANA 608. I >don't know if Polly Scale has this color or not (since Aeromaster >is licensed Polly Scale). HTH. > > >Matt Bittner >http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook >http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 08:04:22 -0600 From: "Harris, Mack" To: "'World War I'" Subject: passchendaele Message-ID: Where can I find Passchendaele products. Thanks Mack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 08:08:15 -0600 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Americal French Roundel colours Message-ID: <200001071412.JAA16823@pease1.sr.unh.edu> On Fri, 7 Jan 2000 09:02:22 -0500 (EST), Michael Kendix wrote: > Thanks for the information. I do not subscribe to a particular "French Blue > School of Thought":) My primary intention is to have all the blue decals on > the kit, the same colour. I would have used the left-over roundels from the > Flashback single-seat Sopwith Strutter but they are too small. BTW, do you > have anything on your French WWI aeroplane pages about the "best" match for > French roundel' colours? Great idea! I shall start working on it. Unfortunately, since I don't have a match for the red, that will just be a "mix your own" column. :-) I will also mention that the colors are matched to the Blue Rider/Americal/Pegasus decals, since they all use the same blue. Matt Bittner http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 08:51:21 -0600 From: "Lee Mensinger" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Chris Gannon flaming Message-ID: <3875FD69.45CE1BBE@wireweb.net> Complain correctly. It's the least you can do. I have always had and will continue to have the thought in mind that constructive criticism directed to many, if not most, of the model kit manufacturers (or anyone else in business for that matter) is a better way to handle problem parts. They usually want to know about things and most follow a good deal of logic and sense. Some will not. but try the friendly, helpful route first.. If you submit a letter to a manufacturer, and then make it public, they will at least have been advised. If you make it pulic without them in the scenario you have done yourself, and, them no good at all. I hold no ill will against anyone that is unhappy about a messed up casting and complains about it. Please complain correctly and with some consideration of what may happen if you don't. Thank you Steve and Shane. You have expressed my ideas exactly.Lee smperry@mindspring.com wrote: > > This flaming of Chris Gannon is IMNSHO is starting to get really > > personal and is going too f***ing far. > > THANK YOU SHANE! > > > Every kit, no matter what the price, has it's faults. NO manufacturer is > > innocent in this respect. > > It is impossible to commercially produce parts as nice as what a seasoned > modeler can scratchbuild. This is why I like the way Passchendaele engineers > their kits. A basic shape to which details are added. > > >This usually provides ample opportunity to improve your skills, if you so > desire. > > Well Said. > > > From previous discussions on this topic on the list, it should be > > obvious to all that Chris Gannon does stand by his product & will send > > you a replacement part for any perceived mould defect ie: a new wing to > > replace the Dreaded Wing Rippled one. I would much rather deal with a > mfr, who >follows this practise, then one who doesn't. It shows integrity & > a belief in customer >service. > > Try shooting an e-mail to Hasamyagawagram and see how soon a replacement > part shows up postage free in your malbox. > > > Basically, instead of bitching about his kits, how about some > constructive hints on > > how to fix these percieved "errors". The better reviews/articles not > > only tell you the flaws, they tell you how to fix them. > > They should also have sufficient command of the language to let their > readers know what the kit is like, (good or bad),without being negative or > attacking the manufacturer. There are very few BAD kits these days. The free > market is brutally darwinnian in this respect and the really bad ones do not > survive. > > Chris, Cyg, Eric, Barry, Bob of Sierra and others produce kits that build > into very nice models. Some kits require more from the builder than others. > Some builders enjoy the building process more than others. Hey, it's a > hobby. For those who look for the perfectly accurate, completely detailed, > everything fits, throw ayaw the putty model, well good luck, but you ain't > gonna find it on this planet. If you are interested in modeling WWI > subjects, then expect to put more work into building the limited run kits of > subjects that will NEVER be kitted any other way. > > So when we review or comment about WWI kits on the WWI list, lets discuss > the WWI kits in terms of WWI kits and restrain ourselves from grinding > personal axes on this forum. Sorry for the rant, but it's been building for > a while. > sp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 10:15:03 EST From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Chris Gannon flaming Message-ID: <21.211beed4.25a75cf7@aol.com> In a message dated 00-01-07 06:00:59 EST, you write: << > Every kit, no matter what the price, has it's faults. NO manufacturer is > innocent in this respect. >> *You* say that after you have tried to sand off a wing ripple from a very thin wing (Pfalz D.XII) and you are at the point where there isn't much plastic left and there is *still* a @%$#@!! wing ripple! I thought there was no problem with this kit, having done one before, now I have to decide whether to give the one already done to the collector who's paid in advance. A pox on Chris Gannon and no more BM kits shall ever show up in my reviews. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2074 **********************