WWI Digest 2070 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Albatros C.VII Cockpit interiors by "Matthew Bittner" 2) Re: Albatros C.VII Cockpit interiors by "Matthew Bittner" 3) Re: Bad Blue Max Alb DIII and Pegasus DH2 by "Lee Mensinger" 4) Re: Bad Blue Max Alb DIII and Pegasus DH2 by "DAVID BURKE" 5) Re: Nungesser's N.17 - 1490 by "DAVID BURKE" 6) Good left coast model show coming soon by Albatrosdv@aol.com 7) RE: Good left coast model show coming soon by Shane Weier 8) RE: Albatros C.VII Cockpit interiors by "John Glaser" 9) csm annoucement by ERIC HIGHT 10) Bargian? by smperry@mindspring.com 11) RE: Bargian? by Shane Weier 12) Toronto by John Cyganowski 13) Marco Miniatures Fok D.VIII by smperry@mindspring.com 14) Re: Marco Miniatures Fok D.VIII by Ernest Thomas 15) Hitech Breguet by Ernest Thomas 16) Re: Good left coast model show coming soon by KarrArt@aol.com 17) Re: 2000 Most Wanted (1/72nd) by Scottfking@aol.com 18) Roll Models Delivery by John_Cyganowski@Millipore.com 19) German 2-Seater Cockpit Interiors by "Lance Krieg" 20) Re: German 2-Seater Cockpit Interiors by Matt Bittner 21) Re: German 2-Seater Cockpit Interiors by "Lance Krieg" 22) Control wheel in Taube by knut.erik.hagen@eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) 23) RE: Roll Models Delivery by "dfernet0" 24) RE: Control wheel in Taube by "dfernet0" 25) Re: German 2-Seater Cockpit Interiors by Ray_Boorman@telus.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 16:55:57 -0600 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Albatros C.VII Cockpit interiors Message-ID: <200001042258.OAA12506@crow.a001.sprintmail.com> --_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.FNU2D9138764=_=_=_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Tue, 4 Jan 2000 16:54:41 -0500 (EST), Shane Weier wrote: > ..that it inspires *me* to ask whether anyone has ever seen a cockpit photo > or drawing for an Albatros C.VII - in WW1 Aero for example. Here's what I have in my database, as an attachment. If anybody has a problem with it as an attachment, LMK. I'm not sure how this will come through. 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Instead, I'm embedding it into the text of the message. Same thing as always applies - if your email software doesn't support HTML - or you don't see a table with Albatros C.VII info in it - save the message and load it into your favorite web browser. Matt Bittner Modeling Publications
Manufacturer:Albatros
EraPublicationIssueTypeOther NamePage Number(s)Article Description
WW1Datafile77C.VII
WW1Over the FrontVol 08 No 03C.VII220Photo
WW1Over the FrontVol 11 No 03C.VII249-254Feature article
WW1Over the FrontVol 11 No 03C.VII253-2541/72nd drawings
WW1Pictorial History of the German Army Air ServiceC.VII129Photo
WW1Scale Models1979 SepC.VII5951/72nd scale plans (c)
WW1Scale Models1979 SepC.VII594-596Two-Seaters #08 (c)
WW1WindsockVol 08 No 06C.VII311/72nd Sierra Scale review
WW1WW1 Aero138C.VII88Control column drawing
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 17:11:23 -0600 From: "Lee Mensinger" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Bad Blue Max Alb DIII and Pegasus DH2 Message-ID: <38727E1B.E57E8FB8@wireweb.net> My references are for remembering only. I have not had a kit as bad as the average kit, before 1950, in many many years. I do really enjoy the modern prodiuct and Iwill be grateful if thje never go back to taht poor condition. I do believe that the modeler should try to get the news to the model company, and if they wish, publish a copy of the letters they send. At model meetings we sit around and take pot shots at kits. That is a bit less than a letter by e-mail to the whole world. Sometimes the whole group will get up a note and mail it to the offender. Sometimes it works. For me, I love the general improvement in quality, and I am sorry for those companies that failed to provide it and fell by the wayside. Some did fabulous work. eg: Hawk models but when they failed they did it well and completely. I don't really enjoy taking on the companies until there is evidence you have tried to work it out with them.. A loose or random rant on the internet doesn't help much.. Please do not get the idea I am an apologist for the ones that do wrong and won't change. They too shall come to pass. I learn as quickly as anyone and I do know what to not buy. The product I mentioned was an example of really bad. There is no way anything like that would be accepted today any more than it was back then. The company lasted only a few months. But it was done and that is history. Everyone should remember it did happen. Long ago. Bad on purpose is one thing. An accident is another. Lee Michael Kendix wrote: > Lee Messinger wrote: > >When was the last time you had a kit with fuselage sides that >didn't match > >the other by more than 1/8th inch on the mating >profiles? A 1/4" error if > >you counted top and bottom. > > > > Lee: > > While I agree with the majority of your message, I don't with the above. We > need to judge today's productions taking into account today's standards and > technology. For example, while a 4-minute mile would have broken the World > Record in 1954, today, it wouldn't even get you onto the track since you'd > be beaten by the world's best by over 100 metres. > > I acknowledge that your experience is approximately 50 times greater than > mine when it comes to these things, however:) FWIW, from what I've seen, > Pegasus kits are on the chunky side, but are OK and can be built into decent > models. I admit to not having actually built one myself but this is due > more to being distracted by other topics than because Pegasus is not up to > some particular standard. > > In general, I find there are more decent WWI kits available than I have the > time to build, so the situation looks great. Further, there's some > excellent stuff on the horizon - OK it's in resin but a Gotha, a Sopwith > Dolphin and an FE8!! > > Michael > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 16:59:35 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Bad Blue Max Alb DIII and Pegasus DH2 Message-ID: <005c01bf5708$634feb00$9e82aec7@dora9sprynet.com> >As the person who said that about the Oeffag Albatros, I will state that it >is *not* just one kit! To that list add the Roland C.II - I saw three kits >of it, and all were bad), the serious lack of quality control on the Bristol >Fighters - 3 of 3 I know of had the wing ripple bad enough that getting rid >of it got rid of over 50% of the wing detail - and the fact that of 4 S.E.5a >kits I saw when the kit first came out, only the one I received had no flaws. > IMHO, a 75% screw-up rate isn't acceptable no matter who is doing it. Since >he "hand makes" these kits, I think he could take as much time to look at the >tree once it comes out of the mold as he does to send a new wing, etc., to >those who write and ask - unless he figures fewer will write and ask than the >total who get bad parts. >SNIP What I object to is >someone claiming it's a "collector's kit" and charging the prices he does for >the kits. Perhaps if all they are going to be is kits hanging out in a kit >collection, some fool can pay that price and play the adult Pokemon game, but >for those who actually *build* them, I think a bit of respect for the >customer is not too much to ask for, since all the others manage to >accomplish this. > >Try "a modest bit of sanding" on the horizontal stabilizer of the Oeffag >Albatros to get the thing down to something less than twice the thickness it >should be, then add in the hour or two you will spend recreating the surface >detail that is 100% missing now, and tell me "oh, gee, it's just because it's >a collector's kit, so it doesn't matter." Some of the comments I am reading >here in defense of this doofus remind me that P.T. Barnum was right about the >frequency with which those who can be easily taken to the cleaners are born. > >Tom Cleaver DAMNED STRAIGHT SKIPPY!! My Brisfit wings are rippled to hell and I am most sorry to anyone who can't take it, but the price of these kits and the lack of quality control (to the degree that parts are even sometimes missing), mean that Satan will be ice-skating to work before I buy another BM kit. Granted that the Camel was O.K. (actually, I have a gripe or two for it as well), the Halberstadt was fair to middling. And I am aware that Mr. Gannon makes an effort to take care of things, but I feel that I shouldn't have to gripe when I'm paying out that sort of bread. If his kits went for 20 bucks apiece in the States, I'd feel differently. Besides, Eduard or someone will probably kit them eventually (or maybe Eric?...) DB ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 17:05:47 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Nungesser's N.17 - 1490 Message-ID: <005f01bf5708$66d12280$9e82aec7@dora9sprynet.com> Did the yellow dope sometimes silver? :) DB -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Bittner To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, January 04, 2000 4:54 PM Subject: Re: Nungesser's N.17 - 1490 >On Tue, 4 Jan 2000 00:00:52 -0500 (EST), DAVID BURKE wrote: > >> Also, didn't the aluminum dope sometimes yellow? > >Not that I know of. > > >Matt Bittner >http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook >http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 18:23:56 EST From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Good left coast model show coming soon Message-ID: <0.2bba97ad.25a3db0c@aol.com> Hi all (partciularly fellow Left Coasters) Sunday, February 6, 2000 is ValleyCon XI, aka The Pasadena Show. This year it won't be at the Pasadena Center, since the Pasadena Mall across the street is being torn down and things are a bit of a mess. It's going to be at a large hotel, the information on which I do not have at the moment but will later. Freeway close off the 210, I do know. The gate fee is $5/person, with UNLIMITED FREE MODEL REGISTRATION. I have spoken with George Creed, who runs the show, and the "All Biplanes" category (which also includes WW1 monoplanes) will - IF THERE IS SUFFICIENT PARTICIPATION - be broken into Biplanes pre-1918 and Biplanes post-1918 (so you aren't competing with all the Swordfish and F3Fs that are bound to show up), and could be broken down futher into 1/72 and 1/48 scales. The criteria for doing a further breakdown is at least three entries from two different modelers (if you bring three, and there's one other in the class, yes, you could "sweep"). There has been an increasing OT participation at this show in the past few years. There is also a "group" competition, like for instance you could do one each of all the One-Oh-thingies, or one each of all the Nieuports - they are judged as one item, tho. Anyway, this is a good chance for folks like Uggies to come down and meet some of the others of us. This is a good show - it's where I met RK 6 years ago (God! Was it that long? Yes.) when he didn't know to put his scratchbuilt 1/32 B.E.2c in front of the others instead of at the rear by the wall. I do know I will be there, RK will be there, Peter Crow will be there, and - best of all! - the List Goddess will be there. This will be worth the trip for out-of-towners. It's the best show here in the lower left corner. Those who wanted to make a weekend out of it could come down Friday and get out to Chino for First Saturday at Planes of Fame, which will be, I think, the P-38 or the razorback P-47 flying, as well as a chance to see Nungesser's Hanriot, a Bristol Fighter, a P-12E, a P-26A, and RK's famous Eddie Rickenbacker diorama and 1/32 Gotha in person in the model museum. Anyone needing further info on it, e-mail me off-list. Cheers, Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 09:32:26 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Good left coast model show coming soon Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1B98@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Tom, > There is also a "group" competition, like for instance you > could do one each > of all the One-Oh-thingies, or one each of all the Nieuports > - they are judged as one item, tho. ...seems like poor compensation for making one of each of thousands of those ugly little Nieuports though. Shane ;-) ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 18:58:50 -0600 From: "John Glaser" To: Subject: RE: Albatros C.VII Cockpit interiors Message-ID: <000701bf5718$09113ee0$8d00000a@johnghome> Or open in Word 2000 (my official Microsoft plug for the week) -JCG -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of Matthew Bittner Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2000 5:10 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Albatros C.VII Cockpit interiors I don't think that came out the way I intended. Instead, I'm embedding it into the text of the message. Same thing as always applies - if your email software doesn't support HTML - or you don't see a table with Albatros C.VII info in it - save the message and load it into your favorite web browser. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 18:39:33 -0700 From: ERIC HIGHT To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: csm annoucement Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20000104183933.008c4c30@pop.amug.org> fellow listees, thanks for your support last month. i have decided to extend the sale to the end of jan. so dicta ira still applies. one minor change however this will not apply to the 1/72nd details as they are now 50% off. now you crazy ams 1/72nders will have no excuses!!! thanks again for your support and may it be a happy new year for all of us. so sappy oh well! regards, eric ps: i am still looking for built up csm products for the gallery. please forward to dave vosburgh at: dave@vga-graphics.com thanks again. eric ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 22:25:42 -0500 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: Bargian? Message-ID: <006901bf572c$8c4e9140$0b0256d1@default> I was at the model club meeting tonight and gave US $45 for a Marco Fokker D.VIII. This is in 1:24 scale I believe. Anyone know the going rate on one of these kits? Can't even give it a good squizzy till D.VII goes to bed ;-) sp E-mail smperry@mindspring.com Web Site http://smperry.home.mindspring.com/PWWIP.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 13:32:14 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Bargian? Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1B9D@mimhexch.mim.com.au> SP >This is in 1:24 scale I believe. That certainly *is* bargian. ...and it may be good value at $45, but IDK Shane ;-) ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 22:26:09 -0500 From: John Cyganowski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Toronto Message-ID: <3872B9D1.990957E5@worldnet.att.net> Hey Guys, I'll be in Toronto all next week. If any of you would like to get together I think Mon. or Wed. would be best for me. Let me know. Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 00:25:45 -0500 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: Marco Miniatures Fok D.VIII Message-ID: <00b201bf573d$51b80820$0b0256d1@default> All I can say about the Marco Miniatures Fokker D.VIII/E.V is WOW! Three sheets of beautiful Vac parts, lots of white metal including the interior tubular structure and a "glue each cyl and its pipes onto the case" type engine. A whole load of resin parts cast almost but not quite as nicely as Passchendaele does. Two frets of PE, very nice Loz decals and even light & dark veneer to laminate and carve a prop from, (resin one included also). Large xeroxed instructions that include parts references and many templates. And there is an easily removable print of a painting fo a D.VIII in flight, that really is "suitable for framing", least that's what I intend to do with mine. I don't have a datafile on the plane yet, so I can't say anything about the accuracy, but it sure looks like a D.VIII to me. sp Broke, but happy E-mail smperry@mindspring.com Web Site http://smperry.home.mindspring.com/PWWIP.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 23:42:33 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Marco Miniatures Fok D.VIII Message-ID: <3872D9C8.EB9671F1@bellsouth.net> smperry@mindspring.com wrote: > I don't have a datafile on the plane yet, so I can't say anything about the > accuracy, but it sure looks like a D.VIII to me. > Mine's available whenever. E. > > sp > Broke, but happy > > E-mail smperry@mindspring.com > Web Site http://smperry.home.mindspring.com/PWWIP.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 23:53:56 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: multiple recipients of list Subject: Hitech Breguet Message-ID: <3872DC73.EE7E1CE3@bellsouth.net> Hi All, I got the Hitech Breguet in the mail today. I know it's been discussed on the list before, so I'll say nothing more that it looks like a really nice kit. Quality is sort of in between the old and new Eduard kits. If anyone's been sitting on the fence trying to decide wether or not to get it (28USBucks from SMO) I say jump off the fence and order one. Definitely worth the money. And to Shane, Peter(s), and anyone else who recomended it to me, a Big thanks E. And if anyone missed the previous discussions about this kit and want's a short in-box, just give a holler, off list or on, I don't care. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 01:26:00 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Good left coast model show coming soon Message-ID: <0.d65c26e0.25a43df8@aol.com> In a message dated 1/4/00 3:27:56 PM Pacific Standard Time, Albatrosdv@aol.com writes: << This is a good show - it's where I met RK 6 years ago (God! Was it that long? Yes.) >> HOLY COW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah- the Pasadena show is always pretty good, and the vendor area usually hot! That was the first competition I ever entered, around 7 years ago I guess. They must've had a leftover medal or something 'cause I won one with a 1/48 model of a small airport cafe that seemd to defy their categorizations (the cafe had a "model" of a model of Berthold's Pfalz hanging in the "ceiling" about 5/32" long, kind of a 1/48 model of a Guillow) RK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 02:23:33 EST From: Scottfking@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 2000 Most Wanted (1/72nd) Message-ID: <0.8c159053.25a44b75@aol.com> --- Pedro e Francisca wrote: > Also I believe I've seen somewhere a resin kit of a dep. > racer in > 1/72, but I could be wrong. >>If memory serves, 12 Squared had an injected kit. I may be wrong, though. >>Matt Bittner Yep ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 10:23:16 -0500 From: John_Cyganowski@Millipore.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Roll Models Delivery Message-ID: <8525685D.0054974F.00@MilliGust.Millipore.com> >From time to time many of us have weighed in on this subject, so I thought I would add my 2 cents worth. I ordered an item early last week and it arrived today. I probably have ordered from them ~3-4 times. I do recall having one issue with long delivery and/or availability, but my experiences have been mostly good like this one. FWIW Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 09:54:19 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: German 2-Seater Cockpit Interiors Message-ID: I am relieved to note that others are frustrated by the lack of information on the interior of observers' cockpits. I am currently working on CSM's W.12 and have the same problem. The DFW and Albatros inquiries prompted me to take a quick look at ALL the German 2-seater Datafiles (18 different planes - can you believe it?), in the hope of gleaning some general information without laboriously wading through less specific resources. I came away with a lot of pictures. As one would expect, the observers' 'pits vary depending on the role the machine and squadron undertook, so deciding which plane to model becomes crucial. I found, in a nutshell, the following Datafiles to be helpful: LVG C.V: barograph, safetybelt AEG C.IV: bomb racks, airpumps, wireless Roland C.II: antenna reel, signal meter, generator controls Halb. Cl.II: pigeon coops, extra ammunition drum storage Hannover Cl.III: camera struts, apertures, extra ammunition storage I hope this helps... Lance ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 08:00:57 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: German 2-Seater Cockpit Interiors Message-ID: <20000105160057.26113.qmail@web1102.mail.yahoo.com> --- Lance Krieg wrote: > As one would expect, the observers' 'pits vary depending on the > role the machine and squadron undertook, so deciding which > plane to model becomes crucial. Thanks for the list, Lance. In general, here's where WW1 Aero sometime helps. For example, there are five or six photo's of the Roland C.II rear pit in one issue. Much better coverage than just the Datafile by itself. Matt Bittner __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 10:12:23 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: German 2-Seater Cockpit Interiors Message-ID: Matt observes: "In general, here's where WW1 Aero sometime helps. Much better coverage than just the Datafile by itself." ...which goes without saying. It was a lot easier to flip through a handful of Datafiles specific to German two-seaters than pore over 150 issues that may or may not be germane. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 17:26:53 +0100 (CET) From: knut.erik.hagen@eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Control wheel in Taube Message-ID: <200001051626.RAA06245@mail-relay.eunet.no> Hei, The Start was sometimes flown as a single seater (pilot in aft cockpit opening), but the front cockpit was open and available for passenger/observer. I guess he had to bring his own pillow when sitting on the gas tank while having the wires from the instruments against his back. Armament for Start consisted of a 6.5mm Krag-Jorgensen carabine for observer and a Colt pistol for the pilot. AFAIK the chain was used to warp the wing, turning the wheel to move it. Looking at the pictures I have, it seems like the contol coloumn with wheel could be moved back and forth but not sideways. Glad to see that some of you found the Taube pictures of use, intend to visit the Gardermoen collection here in Norway and try to take some pictures of BE2e and Farman F.40 exhibited there. But before that, I will be working off Brazil for some five weeks before going via Rio de Janeiro (intend to visit the FAB Museum there) and back to the Norwegian IPMS Nationals in Oslo 19-20 February. Eders Knut Erik >Hi >Since I'm detailing the cockpit of the Taube, and after looking at the >various pictures of the type (very toughtful of you, Knut!) I wanted to ask >how the control wheel worked, with that fixture that looks like a bike gear. >Besides, the "observer" cockpit has no seat nor controls of any type. I >assume that the Start was modified to be a one seater? >TIA >D. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 13:29:09 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Roll Models Delivery Message-ID: <004101bf5799$fe47e2c0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> The delivery time of Roll is quite fast even for me, in the last corner of south America. But since mid past year they don't confirm the orders anymore. So you're left in incertitude about the destiny of your stuff until it arrives home. For instance, I once "subscribed" to Windsock through them, but I had to remind them everytime that the magazine is issued. And the last time, wich I don't, they never sent me the darn Windsock. So I'm thinking in make the subscription directly from Albatros Lmtd., altough I hate that they don't accept credit cards. D. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2000 12:27 PM Subject: Roll Models Delivery > > > >From time to time many of us have weighed in on this subject, so I thought I > would add my 2 cents worth. > > I ordered an item early last week and it arrived today. I probably have ordered > from them ~3-4 times. I do recall having one issue with long delivery and/or > availability, but my experiences have been mostly good like this one. > > FWIW > Cyg. > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 13:53:36 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Control wheel in Taube Message-ID: <005101bf579d$68bf1b20$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Hei Knut! Thanks for the info. One of the things I couldn't decipher was wich way was aft on the pictures you took of the observer pit. So the front is the empty panel, then. After checking the JPEGS again I realize what do you mean about the control column. It surely must have a pair of pulleys in the lower end and a link conection from the chains with the wires. If you'll visit the FAB, maybe you can take a look to a pristine ex-argentinian Focke Wulf biplane trainer (I know, it's off topic but at least is a bipe), bought a while ago by the FAB from a private owner here. And if you'll be in Rio by February, take some interesting pictures of the Carnaval garotas too! ;-) Regards D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 09:03:39 -0800 From: Ray_Boorman@telus.net To: "Lance Krieg" , wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: German 2-Seater Cockpit Interiors Message-ID: <200001051704.JAA09014@smtpout.telus.net> Lance, I did find one photo for the DFW observers position in the datafile. The photo shows a crashed DFW with the fuselage snapped in half and twisted so the camera was looking into the observers pit. Didn't show much but a light spade shape off to the port side of the fuselage. I thought it might be a fold down seat. Upon scanning the photo and zooming that area, its definitely a seat. Looks rather like a fold up spade and is light coloured (probably unpainted metal). So for my purposes at least I have something I can put in the observers area on the DFW. 1/72 might be small, but the observers area would have been very bare otherwise. I have never scanned a photo from a book before, I thought it would be useless (ie: the printed pic would be too grainy), but you can zoom 2 or 3 times with very little loss of resolution, definitely better than using a magnifier. Ray On 5 Jan 00, at 10:58, Lance Krieg wrote: > I am relieved to note that others are frustrated by the lack of > information on the interior of observers' cockpits. I am currently > working on CSM's W.12 and have the same problem. > > The DFW and Albatros inquiries prompted me to take a quick look at ALL > the German 2-seater Datafiles (18 different planes - can you believe > it?), in the hope of gleaning some general information without > laboriously wading through less specific resources. I came away with > a lot of pictures. > > As one would expect, the observers' 'pits vary depending on the role > the machine and squadron undertook, so deciding which plane to model > becomes crucial. > > I found, in a nutshell, the following Datafiles to be helpful: > > LVG C.V: barograph, safetybelt > AEG C.IV: bomb racks, airpumps, wireless > Roland C.II: antenna reel, signal meter, generator controls > Halb. Cl.II: pigeon coops, extra ammunition drum storage > Hannover Cl.III: camera struts, apertures, extra ammunition storage > > I hope this helps... > > Lance > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2070 **********************