WWI Digest 2069 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Sorta on topic kid story by Matt Bittner 2) Re: Bad Blue Max Alb DIII and Pegasus DH2 by Ray_Boorman@telus.net 3) Re: RE: Re: Multiples in your collection by GRBroman@aol.com 4) Re: Osprey news by "DAVID BURKE" 5) Re: Where's Dennis by "DAVID BURKE" 6) Re: FMP is really no good. by "DAVID BURKE" 7) Re: RE: Re: Multiples in your collection by GRBroman@aol.com 8) Re: Bad Blue Max Alb DIII and Pegasus DH2 by "Lee Mensinger" 9) Re: Osprey news by GRBroman@aol.com 10) Re: Osprey news by "cameron rile" 11) Re: Bad Blue Max Alb DIII and Pegasus DH2 by Matt Bittner 12) Re: Osprey news by "Bob Pearson" 13) Re: Bad Blue Max Alb DIII and Pegasus DH2 by Albatrosdv@aol.com 14) Re: Bad Blue Max Alb DIII and Pegasus DH2 by Albatrosdv@aol.com 15) Re: Bad Blue Max Alb DIII and Pegasus DH2 by Albatrosdv@aol.com 16) Re: Bad Blue Max Alb DIII and Pegasus DH2 by Albatrosdv@aol.com 17) Re: Bad Blue Max Alb DIII and Pegasus DH2 by "Lee Mensinger" 18) Re: Bad Blue Max Alb DIII and Pegasus DH2 by "Lee Mensinger" 19) Re: Bad Blue Max Alb DIII and Pegasus DH2 by "Michael Kendix" 20) DFW CV Cockpit interiors by Ray_Boorman@telus.net 21) Multiples by "Bruce Simard" 22) Albatros C.VII Cockpit interiors by Shane Weier 23) Re: Albatros C.VII Cockpit interiors by CTJDavies@aol.com 24) RE: Albatros C.VII Cockpit interiors by Shane Weier 25) Re: Albatros C.VII Cockpit interiors by CTJDavies@aol.com 26) RE: Albatros C.VII Cockpit interiors by Shane Weier 27) Re: Nungesser's N.17 - 1490 by "Matthew Bittner" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 05:46:17 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Sorta on topic kid story Message-ID: <20000104134617.13301.qmail@web1104.mail.yahoo.com> Lately my son - four years old - has taken an interest in my model building. He pulls up a chair to stand on next to mine and watches me build (as well as get in the way, but some things I'm willing to live with...). While it appears he's headed toward the "ground arena", it's great he's taken an interest. I think for his next birthday I'll buy him a snap-tite. Too bad there are no snap-tite on topic's. Also in related news, his grandmother bought him a Peanuts book, _Argh! The Dog Ate my Book Report_. Pretty cool. The WW1 Flying Ace is stuck behind enemy lines an decides to "acquire" the secret papers the Red Baron's secretary is carrying. Quite humerous! Matt Bittner __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 07:19:10 -0800 From: Ray_Boorman@telus.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Bad Blue Max Alb DIII and Pegasus DH2 Message-ID: <200001041519.HAA12447@smtpout.telus.net> Len, Dennis, Since I started this thread, I will state the following. I am and have always been happy with BlueMax and Pegasus models. If I have had a problem I have contacted them and the part or model has been replaced. I mentioned that yesterday I believe. What prompted this thread was the bashing that I had seen for quite a few days of BlueMax and to a lesser extent Pegasus. It seemed to be based on one model the BM Oeffag Albatros, and to be unwarranted. Imho opinion one bad model doesn't make a bad manufacturer and that was a tone that was starting to come across from the posts I was reading. It may not have been meant that way, but when I see comments about BM as a whole being not up to snuff because they were meant as collectors models not to be built then that was what I took it to be. I'll state this categorically BM produce on the whole a good product at a good price (especially if you buy direct from Pegasus/BM), the models are not shake the box, but then no limited run model is, as long as they are reasonably accurate and I don't have to carve the hunk of plastic/resin into a model then I have got what I was meant to get a good basic starting point. BM/Pegasus are definitely up there with AeroClub/CSM and others and deserve to be. They produce a fine product imho. They are however not Eduard or Toko and don't mean to be since thats not the end of the market they are aiming at. We all should say when we find a model thats bad, it helps others but we all have to be careful we dont slag off on a vendor tarring them with a brush as being not worthwhile. That was the tone I was beginning to read on BM and to a lesser extent Pegasus. I have seen bashing like that happen before and do a lot of damage. Accurate Miniatures comes to mind and the unwarranted bashing about vaporware models that used to go on in rsm. I have I think with this thread got the word out that BM and pegasus are good quality and have good customer service, that was what I intended. (Matts post about his DH2 parts being replaced proves that). So having said that I don't plan to add any more to this thread. Ray (Its my first day back at work sheesh so much email) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 10:49:21 EST From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: RE: Re: Multiples in your collection Message-ID: <0.978660a9.25a37081@aol.com> In a message dated 1/3/70, 4:01:01 PM, wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu writes: <<> And this is different from British aircraft because?......... :) > I KNOW, I KNOW (leaping up and down in chair and waving hand furiously) No dust and mud !!!!! Do I get a prize ? >> Well done Shane!! Congratulations, you've won the Gelncoe Albatross! :) Glen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 09:46:55 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Osprey news Message-ID: <004401bf56cc$2318acc0$ab87aec7@dora9sprynet.com> Son of a gun! That IS good news! The Osprey series is one of my faves (I am awaiting the 9th AF book as it may have better pics of the P-47 that my uncle was crew chief on), and I can't wait to see what they come up with! DB -----Original Message----- From: David Solosy To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, January 04, 2000 3:40 AM Subject: Osprey news >G'day list > >Did anyone notice the discreet little announcement on the Osprey website >that in March this year they will be publishing ACES 32: Albatross (sic) >Aces of World War I ???? > >I've heard that Norman Franks is the author of this title. I know nothing of >who will be the artist(s). The rumour mill also mentioned a Nieuport Aces >title. > >Anyone know any more? > >Cheers > >David Solosy > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 09:48:39 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Where's Dennis Message-ID: <004501bf56cc$240b4a20$ab87aec7@dora9sprynet.com> I'm hacking and coughing up the last of the super-whammy-smegma that I got laid on me in Santa Fe (or most likely, the plane up there). Maybe this is the true (pre)-Millenium Bug. DB -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Ugulano To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, January 04, 2000 7:40 AM Subject: Re: Where's Dennis >Geoff, > >>> I sympathise 'cos I'm into my sixth week of coughing, sniffing, >sweating and shivering. For what it's worth, Britain is also in this >bug's grip. << > > Yuck! Six weeks is a long time to be sick but from what I see and >have heard, that seems like the normal time for this thing. Then add to it >the pesticides in the air here in the San Joaquin valley of California >(major agriculture), we have a large number of lung problems here. > > I hope you get better soon. I'm getting better but the cough is >hanging on. > >Dennis Ugulano >email: Uggies@compuserve.com >http://members.xoom.com/Uggies/dju.htm >Page Revised 9/12/99 >"Every modeller will rise to his own level of masochism" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 09:54:47 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: FMP is really no good. Message-ID: <004601bf56cc$24dddc60$ab87aec7@dora9sprynet.com> As to FMP's sloth, I can agree. However, they are totally blown away by the kings of sloth: Monogram Aviation Publications. They announce new books, gauge the run by the number of pre-orders, then you don't get your books for another 18 months while the bombard you with 'exclusive sale offers' and excuses. Complain, and they send your money back with no explanation. Real skunks, and I wil NEVER, EVER order another book from them directly: I will rather pay Squadron the extra 5 bucks and order from them and know that I'll get my book. Gotta go to class... DB -----Original Message----- From: Pedro e Francisca To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, January 04, 2000 2:47 AM Subject: Re: FMP is really no good. > > >Ray_Boorman@telus.net wrote: > >> Pedro, I would email FMP back with a copy of the email confirming >> your order, then really lay it on thick about the 4 month wait, bad >> service etc. Then make sure you mention you are subscribed to >> the wwi list and that you have raised this in discussion here. > >Ray, > >Just did it. Only thing I didn't send was the copy of the messages because >those are in a mail file that can only be opened with word and takes about 3 >hours to open (another sad story ;-). Still I have it and will eventually >send the copies to them, if need be. > >> >> >> FMP don't have huge circulations so the fact that the entire list >> knows about this problem might have some weight, no one likes >> bad PR. I would suspect they might have an odd copy still around >> for just this type of problem. Really be a squeaky wheel about this. >> You never know!!! >> >> When you email back check their site and if there are more email >> addies than just the typical one I would make sure you cc them as >> well. You should not have to put up with their mistake imho. > >I contacted the only person with a e-add. on the web site, a fellow named >Jack, who has been quite polite and even willing to help. I'm told by Dave >Zulis that he's in production and has nothing to do with the commercial >operation, though. > >> >> >> Let us know what happens too please. >> >> Ray >> > >Will do > > >Thanks for your suggestions > >Pedro > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 11:06:35 EST From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: RE: Re: Multiples in your collection Message-ID: <0.ce141f7a.25a3748b@aol.com> Speaking of multiples in your collections, anyone interested in an Aurora (white box) DRI? If you are, please email me off list, mebbe we can trade or something. Glen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 10:15:16 -0600 From: "Lee Mensinger" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu, "Lee Mensinger" Subject: Re: Bad Blue Max Alb DIII and Pegasus DH2 Message-ID: <38721C94.2DD4D4A0@wireweb.net> Good letter Ray. I will add a bit. At the present state of the art of Plastic Modelling I must say that I have seen and tried to build, really, bad models. I have compared what is presently availble to that of the far past and there is no contest. Gentlemen and Ladies, count your blessings for they are many as well as varied. We Got It Made. When was the last time you had a kit with fuselage sides that didn't match the other by more than 1/8th inch on the mating profiles? A 1/4" error if you counted top and bottom. How about wings that were different lengths for opposing sides of a plane. The chord of the wings were different as well. Aileron on only one wing. A seat included for the interior and the side walls so thick even that little detail wouldn't fit inside.. A little pilot that can't be fitted into the cockpit---Ever. How about instructions to install, (glue on) the propeller, before you mount the engine inside the cowling. Did you really love the insignia printed on sticky paper? Kit manufactureres are mostly decent people. Take errors up with them directly, but, don't trash the company when a mold error occurs. Give them at least a chance to make it right I spent many happy hours watching AMC produce car kits in their former Mount Clemens Michigan plant. It isn't hard to overlook an error during inspection when packaging the products. They tried not to. I recall when Frog and Airfix were almost all we had. We did the best we could and things got better. Even Aurora finally quit carving insignia into the molds. Complain as much as you want. Do it constructively as well as judiciously. They will listen. I made my first plastic model in 1946 and I do believe I know as much about bad plastic models as anyone else. I also know good ones and what we have today is almost a miracle. Don't kill it with abusive criticism. Lee Ray_Boorman@telus.net wrote: > Len, Dennis, > > Since I started this thread, I will state the following. I am and have > always been happy with BlueMax and Pegasus models. If I have > had a problem I have contacted them and the part or model has > been replaced. I mentioned that yesterday I believe. What > prompted this thread was the bashing that I had seen for quite a > few days of BlueMax and to a lesser extent Pegasus. It seemed to > be based on one model the BM Oeffag Albatros, and to be > unwarranted. Imho opinion one bad model doesn't make a bad > manufacturer and that was a tone that was starting to come across > from the posts I was reading. It may not have been meant that way, > but when I see comments about BM as a whole being not up to > snuff because they were meant as collectors models not to be built > then that was what I took it to be. (clipped a lot) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 12:07:19 EST From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Osprey news Message-ID: <0.b3e984a0.25a382c7@aol.com> In a message dated 1/4/70, 3:42:29 AM, wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu writes: <> I've seen the artwork. So has Matt. They look to be very nice. Glen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 12:08:12 +0000 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Osprey news Message-ID: <3B0FB73EEB2C3D115A720005B80A2E33@cameron.prontomail.com> >Son of a gun! That IS good news! The Osprey series is one of my faves (I >am awaiting the 9th AF book as it may have better pics of the P-47 that my >uncle was crew chief on), and I can't wait to see what they come up with! Barett Tillman who authored the Hellcat Osprey book mentioned on www.theaerodrome.com ( I couldnt find the exact thread sorry ) that Osprey is moving into WWI aces books as well and are looking for authors. Anyone interested should probably contact them and see what the get go is. Plenty of folks here could write-up/illustrate good Osprey style books in their sleep. cam ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail and Homepage at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 09:57:50 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Bad Blue Max Alb DIII and Pegasus DH2 Message-ID: <20000104175750.17785.qmail@web1106.mail.yahoo.com> --- Ray_Boorman@telus.net wrote: > I have I think with this thread got the word out that BM and > pegasus are good quality and have good customer service, that > was what I intended. (Matts post about his DH2 parts being > replaced proves that). So having said that I don't plan to add > any > more to this thread. I hope my "complaint" about the wing wasn't taken as a bash on Pegasus. I just wanted others to be aware and not be surprised, that's all. Overall I am pleased with Pegasus. Sure, not perfect, but nothing is, even "Toko" (actually farther from perfect than Pegasus, but...) and Eduard/Flashback (although that combination sure comes close). While Tom has a problem with their production (which is warranted, I think, with BM) the Pegasus side - luckily - doesn't suffer from constant wing ripples. The only constant I have seen is sometimes "dirty molds". What I mean by this is you can tell where - in the molds - there was either dust or dirt because there are little "nibs" and such on the parts. A big deal? Well, not really since it's easy to sand these off, but definitely an annoyance. Gads, I guess I'll stop ranting now. Bottom line - if Pegasus comes out with something you like, don't hesitate to buy it. Matt Bittner __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 10:04:58 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Osprey news Message-ID: <200001041813.KAA28953@mail.rapidnet.net> Cam suggests .. > Barett Tillman who authored the Hellcat Osprey book mentioned on > www.theaerodrome.com > ( I couldnt find the exact thread sorry ) that Osprey is moving into WWI > aces books as well > and are looking for authors. Anyone interested should probably contact them > and see what the > get go is. Plenty of folks here could write-up/illustrate good Osprey style > books in their sleep. Been there, done that . . . . no reply from them .. guess I'll just have to do my own books .. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 13:18:32 EST From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Bad Blue Max Alb DIII and Pegasus DH2 Message-ID: <0.7297cf53.25a39378@aol.com> In a message dated 00-01-04 10:21:39 EST, you write: << It seemed to be based on one model the BM Oeffag Albatros, and to be unwarranted. Imho opinion one bad model doesn't make a bad manufacturer and that was a tone that was starting to come across from the posts I was reading. It may not have been meant that way, but when I see comments about BM as a whole being not up to snuff because they were meant as collectors models not to be built then that was what I took it to be. >> As the person who said that about the Oeffag Albatros, I will state that it is *not* just one kit! To that list add the Roland C.II - I saw three kits of it, and all were bad), the serious lack of quality control on the Bristol Fighters - 3 of 3 I know of had the wing ripple bad enough that getting rid of it got rid of over 50% of the wing detail - and the fact that of 4 S.E.5a kits I saw when the kit first came out, only the one I received had no flaws. IMHO, a 75% screw-up rate isn't acceptable no matter who is doing it. Since he "hand makes" these kits, I think he could take as much time to look at the tree once it comes out of the mold as he does to send a new wing, etc., to those who write and ask - unless he figures fewer will write and ask than the total who get bad parts. People say the BM kits are on the same level as Aeroclubs. They are not! While the Aeroclub kits don't have the petite detail some BM kits have (like the wing detail of the Camel, Bristol Fighter and S.E.5a when they're not screwed up), John Adams manages to pull his parts out of the mold with a similar standard of production quality throughout the run. It's not like I am suggesting Mr. Gannon go out and get a Ph.D. in rocket science - anyone on this list who has done a resin mold knows how to do it. What I object to is someone claiming it's a "collector's kit" and charging the prices he does for the kits. Perhaps if all they are going to be is kits hanging out in a kit collection, some fool can pay that price and play the adult Pokemon game, but for those who actually *build* them, I think a bit of respect for the customer is not too much to ask for, since all the others manage to accomplish this. Try "a modest bit of sanding" on the horizontal stabilizer of the Oeffag Albatros to get the thing down to something less than twice the thickness it should be, then add in the hour or two you will spend recreating the surface detail that is 100% missing now, and tell me "oh, gee, it's just because it's a collector's kit, so it doesn't matter." Some of the comments I am reading here in defense of this doofus remind me that P.T. Barnum was right about the frequency with which those who can be easily taken to the cleaners are born. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 13:20:11 EST From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Bad Blue Max Alb DIII and Pegasus DH2 Message-ID: <0.2740d9d5.25a393db@aol.com> In a message dated 00-01-04 11:14:39 EST, you write: << When was the last time you had a kit with fuselage sides that didn't match the other by more than 1/8th inch on the mating profiles? A 1/4" error if you counted top and bottom. >> About ten years ago, and I didn't build it, either. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 13:24:30 EST From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Bad Blue Max Alb DIII and Pegasus DH2 Message-ID: <0.8f22fcd8.25a394de@aol.com> In a message dated 00-01-04 11:14:39 EST, you write: << Kit manufactureres are mostly decent people. Take errors up with them directly, but, don't trash the company when a mold error occurs. Give them at least a chance to make it right >> When one kit manufacturer refuses to do the same product quality that *all* of his competition does - every last one of them nowadays! - it demonstrates a lack of respect for the customer that amazes me all of you should spring to his defense as you do. If his kits didn't sell, it might give him the message. Sorry, I don't judge a contemporary model by the standards set in 1970 by an old Rareplanes vacuform. As I said earlier, we aren't talking rocket science here. I think you people work hard enough for your money, you don't need to be scammed like you are. I shall continue in my reviews to call 'em as I see 'em and try to save you the loss of money and increase in aggravation a bad kit creates. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 13:26:19 EST From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Bad Blue Max Alb DIII and Pegasus DH2 Message-ID: <0.520c7a53.25a3954b@aol.com> In a message dated 00-01-04 11:14:39 EST, you write: << I made my first plastic model in 1946 and I do believe I know as much about bad plastic models as anyone else. I also know good ones and what we have today is almost a miracle. Don't kill it with abusive criticism. Lee >> What a wuss-out. Would you use this standard about *any* other product you buy??? When 99 out of 100 models being made today *are* good, and they are, it is incomprehensible why you sit there and protect the *one* idiot. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 12:31:01 -0600 From: "Lee Mensinger" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Bad Blue Max Alb DIII and Pegasus DH2 Message-ID: <38723C65.D571D5A2@wireweb.net> Another time where a little knowledge helped a lot. I worked part time in a Hobby shop when they arrived by the case and we sent them back. We learned quickly as well. Lee Albatrosdv@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 00-01-04 11:14:39 EST, you write: > > << > When was the last time you had a kit with fuselage sides that didn't match > the other by more than 1/8th inch on the mating profiles? A 1/4" error if > you counted top and bottom. >> > > About ten years ago, and I didn't build it, either. > > Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 12:50:13 -0600 From: "Lee Mensinger" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Bad Blue Max Alb DIII and Pegasus DH2 Message-ID: <387240E5.61295C91@wireweb.net> Nope, I inspect kits before I buy them on most occassions. I belong to the clubs and pay attention to what is going on. Others get some and I can see quickly what is what. I appreciate a good or bad review and I accept the reasonng of the reviewer, but what I said is that an "Error", not ignorant or arrogant lack of concern for customers must be taken up with the producer so they know a thing went wrong.. Continued delivery of bad products must be stopped and if the company closes up it is for the good of the others and the customer as well. I sent a letter to Hawk Models many years ago about some of their products, which were usually excellent, and I advised that further avoidance of good sense in selecting products and the manner in which they were made, aircraft with the wheels molded up in the wells, would result in their loss of a significant amount of business. They didn't pay attention.. You do not protect the idiot. Just make sure it was not just an accident. I am not against criticism. But is it not just as easy to reproduce and publish a copy of a letter you sent them letting them know what you think of the product and why. Be as constructive as you can be destructive. Attract attention in a positive manner. A simple attack is just that...Simple. Lee Albatrosdv@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 00-01-04 11:14:39 EST, you write: > > << > I made my first plastic model in 1946 and I do believe I know as much > about bad plastic models as anyone else. I also know good ones and what > we have today is almost a miracle. Don't kill it with abusive criticism. > Lee >> > > What a wuss-out. Would you use this standard about *any* other product you > buy??? When 99 out of 100 models being made today *are* good, and they are, > it is incomprehensible why you sit there and protect the *one* idiot. > > Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 10:58:18 PST From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Bad Blue Max Alb DIII and Pegasus DH2 Message-ID: <20000104185818.7301.qmail@hotmail.com> Lee Messinger wrote: >When was the last time you had a kit with fuselage sides that >didn't match >the other by more than 1/8th inch on the mating >profiles? A 1/4" error if >you counted top and bottom. > Lee: While I agree with the majority of your message, I don't with the above. We need to judge today's productions taking into account today's standards and technology. For example, while a 4-minute mile would have broken the World Record in 1954, today, it wouldn't even get you onto the track since you'd be beaten by the world's best by over 100 metres. I acknowledge that your experience is approximately 50 times greater than mine when it comes to these things, however:) FWIW, from what I've seen, Pegasus kits are on the chunky side, but are OK and can be built into decent models. I admit to not having actually built one myself but this is due more to being distracted by other topics than because Pegasus is not up to some particular standard. In general, I find there are more decent WWI kits available than I have the time to build, so the situation looks great. Further, there's some excellent stuff on the horizon - OK it's in resin but a Gotha, a Sopwith Dolphin and an FE8!! Michael ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 13:13:06 -0800 From: Ray_Boorman@telus.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: DFW CV Cockpit interiors Message-ID: <200001042113.NAA28334@smtpout.telus.net> I am currently building amongst other models a Sierra Scale DFW CV twin seat reconnaissance plane. My question is what to add in the way of detail for the observers position. I have the datafile and pretty much know what I will put in the pilots portion of the cockpit, but have no details for the observer section. Does anyone know if there were any duplicate controls?, fold down seat? or was the observer expected to stand? By the way anyone who wants to try a vac form should give sierra a look, very nice plastic and at least in 1/72 you get nice white metal fittings, in fact this model is so nice i have risen to the occasion and managed to not sand the wings and fuse to banana shaped absurdity as I have in past attempts at building vacs. Ray Boorman nb Sierra Scale 1/72 DFW CV Toko 1 1/2 Strutter (Comic version) Pegasus M1C ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 16:42:50 -0500 From: "Bruce Simard" To: "WW1 List" Subject: Multiples Message-ID: <001c01bf56fc$c0d9a6a0$ef1e8cd0@com> Since we've been discussing multiple purchases lately, I'll de-lurk long enough to join in. Although I've heard plenty about their drawbacks, I still enjoy the Toko kits greatly. And without a doubt, my favorite,(2 built, 4 more in reserve) has to be the Nieuport 11. (Easy, Matt !!) They were just flown by everyone, and there are plenty of markings available. But I'd love to see some of the Italian "Cartoon Characters" come out on decal sheets ! How about it guys, any takers ? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 07:51:49 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: Albatros C.VII Cockpit interiors Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1B93@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Ray was so inspirational when he asked > Does anyone know if > there were any duplicate controls?, fold down seat? or was the > observer expected to stand? > ...that it inspires *me* to ask whether anyone has ever seen a cockpit photo or drawing for an Albatros C.VII - in WW1 Aero for example. *Not* I hasten to add, that I intend immediately rushing out and scratchbuilding one with three scratch projects at the back of the bench already, BUT I spent my train trip this morning ogling the photos in Datafile 77. The Albatros D.VII is an elegant aircraft, maybe more so than any of the Albatros D's, and would make a very pretty model, especially if one could accurately model the dimply ply fuselage Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 16:53:35 EST From: CTJDavies@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Albatros C.VII Cockpit interiors Message-ID: <0.c61ca0e5.25a3c5df@aol.com> I'm not sure - but I think I have a copy of the 1917 Aeroplane issue which has some nicwe CVII details. I have to check. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 08:12:06 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Albatros C.VII Cockpit interiors Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1B95@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Chris, > I'm not sure - but I think I have a copy of the 1917 > Aeroplane issue which > has some nicwe CVII details. I have to check. Thanks a bunch. It also occurs to me that a fair amount could be extrapolated from the C.V in particular (or other Albatros 2 seaters in some degree) layouts Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 17:21:45 EST From: CTJDavies@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Albatros C.VII Cockpit interiors Message-ID: <0.ef460a6e.25a3cc79@aol.com> In einer eMail vom 04.01.2000 23:13:08 (MEZ) Mitteleuropäische Zeit schreibt sdw@qld.mim.com.au: << Thanks a bunch. It also occurs to me that a fair amount could be extrapolated from the C.V in particular (or other Albatros 2 seaters in some degree) layouts >> This is what I have: An Albatros Fighting Biplane - Flight Feb 1918 (CV or CVII highly detailed 30+ pages) The Captured Albatros Reconnaissance Biplane - Flight Nov 1915 (BIII 6 pages) The Captured Albatros Fighting Biplane - Flight Dec 1915 ( CI 5 pages) The 100hp Albatros Biplane April 1914 (BI -II?- 5 pages) Let me know which might help Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 08:28:37 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Albatros C.VII Cockpit interiors Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1B96@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Chris > Let me know which might help That has already helped. As I noted, I don't really want to set to and make one just now, but *was* interested to know if enough infor was potentially out there to make one some time. Thanks for looking them up ! Shane (whose database shows a Scale Models article and a review of a Sierra vac and zip else) ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 16:49:57 -0600 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Nungesser's N.17 - 1490 Message-ID: <200001042252.OAA08533@crow.a001.sprintmail.com> On Tue, 4 Jan 2000 00:00:52 -0500 (EST), DAVID BURKE wrote: > Also, didn't the aluminum dope sometimes yellow? Not that I know of. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2069 **********************