WWI Digest 2052 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Construction Issue... by "D Charles" 2) RE: Plastic! by "dfernet0" 3) Scho's airfix bomber by "dfernet0" 4) Re: Scho's airfix bomber by "Steven Schofield" 5) RE: Scho's airfix bomber by "dfernet0" 6) Kriegsmarine Hex by "Lance Krieg" 7) Re: Kriegsmarine Hex by ERIC HIGHT 8) Re: Construction Issue... by Tom Solinski 9) Subscription by GRBroman@aol.com 10) Re: Construction Issue... by "Peter Leonard" 11) Problems with Blue Max. by "Len Smith" 12) Re: Subscription by "Lee Mensinger" 13) Re: Construction Issue... by Brent & Tina Theobald 14) DH2 by "Matthew Bittner" 15) Re: DH2 by "Peter Leonard" 16) Re: DH2 by smperry@mindspring.com 17) Re: Kriegsmarine Hex by bucky@ptdprolog.net 18) Re: Kriegsmarine Hex by ERIC HIGHT 19) Re: DH2 by "Matthew Bittner" 20) One More before the 1st. by "Leonard Endy" 21) Re: DH2 by smperry@mindspring.com 22) Re: One More before the 1st. by Albatrosdv@aol.com 23) Whatever became of..... by "charles t." 24) Re: DH2 by Suvoroff@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 20:31:51 +1000 From: "D Charles" To: Subject: Re: Construction Issue... Message-ID: <000401bf5055$dfca90e0$c9b93ecb@charles> How about some sort of micro filament? With the seam on the leading edge it would be strong enough and as the paper shrinks would pull in to give the scalloped trailing edge. David >I am also curious about the trailing edge. Should I attempt to use thin >wire for the trailing edge? My other idea is to use nothing and let the >tissue form its own trailing edge. >Merry Christmas! > >Brent > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 07:37:53 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Plastic! Message-ID: <00ee01bf5056$6e8235e0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> No plastic under the tree down here, but by the high temperatures we're suffering these days, it would have melt anyway. A travelling case (what's the deal with luggage lately? I received a briefcase on my last birthday!) a pair of nice shoes of wrong size and a beautiful archaeology book from my beloved girlfriend. All the plastic (resin and Ni-Ag to be exact) I got I bought for myself and arrived before Christmas day. I have to second sp post, the CSM 1/72 stuff is excellent and you have to take advantage of the sale since its going to be discontinued. Hurry 1/72ers! BTW, a nice surprise was to receive on 24th at late afternoon a package from England containing the Modelling Bible!!!!!!! Thanks unindentified modelling mates! What a great weekend and holiday I had! D. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 08:17:49 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: "WW1 modeling Mail List" Subject: Scho's airfix bomber Message-ID: <017201bf505c$02844760$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Steve Wonderful work you've done on that bomber. Yours and Michael K. IM have been pushing me in the general direction of an unbuilt Vimy that rests on my pile, under a tall stack of one seaters. Unfortunately the quality of the Novo kit differs from that Airfix, so please don't hit me with a stick. The coloured band interpretation looks logical. Sorry that I didn't answer anything when you asked about the band colours but since I knew nothing about that (and about many things) I prefered to stay silent and see what other informed listees had to say. In the fifth picture I can notice some spacers inside the fuselage. Were the halves warped or they were there to add rigidness to the assembly? It looks like a huge model, could you say how much it measures? Now go for the SE5a! regards D. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 12:25:22 -0000 From: "Steven Schofield" To: Subject: Re: Scho's airfix bomber Message-ID: <008d01bf5065$733f23e0$278393c3@oemcomputer> > In the fifth picture I can notice some spacers inside the fuselage. Were the > halves warped or they were there to add rigidness to the assembly? It looks > like a huge model, could you say how much it measures? > Now go for the SE5a! > regards > D. > Yes, unfortunately the fuselage was warped, and in fact still is. The tail assembly is not horizontal as a result. The whole aircraft is about t...............h................i......................s big. Scho www.ww1.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 09:37:37 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Scho's airfix bomber Message-ID: <026701bf5067$284c3600$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> > The whole aircraft is about > t...............h................i......................s big. > Scho > www.ww1.org.uk > Ahhhhh! what a beast! D. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 09:57:31 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Kriegsmarine Hex Message-ID: Well, while we're chewing on Eric's four-color lozenge, here's another conundrum to mull over... I have long been troubled by the application of the Kriegsmarine's regular hexes, and the fact that researchers announce that "care was taken to align the patterns". It seems that they also took care to align the rib tapes so the pattern marched, unbroken, across the surface, unrelieved by tapes. I consider this to be hogwash, and that any picture showing a perfect hex pattern - and there are plenty of them - is painted per the directive of April 3, 1917. Dan San Abbott's research in OTF and WWIAero shows the hex fabric to be elongated and skewed in relation to the bolt, thereby introducing a new variable in the correct representation of this scheme. And all of the references I have cite different colors for the so-called "brown" scheme. Furthermore, except for Americal's newest interpretation on their decals, none of the available sheets (in my possession) match the well-documented 15 cm span for these hexes; Americal's older sheets and CSM (sorry Eric) both being rather too large. I am seeking other informed opinion on the subject, and have considerably more documentation than will be of general interest to the group. Anyone else so inclined? LMK... Lance ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 09:42:09 -0700 From: ERIC HIGHT To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Kriegsmarine Hex Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19991227094209.006d2b5c@pop.amug.org> lance, you are quite the troublemaker aren't you?!!!! i agree with most of what you said. as to the size of the lozenge i took them directly off the plans that marty drew for the do. d.i which also matched my researchers info. right or wrong? good question. at least it looks like i got the colors right, nes pa? keep up the good work. it will be intersting what the rest of the horde thinks. as to the brown pattern i have never seen any pictures with an a/c covered in this. seems to me someone told me that it was an experimental color scheme and late war at that. that's why i never produced a decal sheet for it. thanks again and keep up the "good" work! eric At 11:02 AM 12/27/99 -0500, you wrote: >Well, while we're chewing on Eric's four-color lozenge, here's another conundrum to mull over... > >I have long been troubled by the application of the Kriegsmarine's regular hexes, and the fact that researchers announce that "care was taken to align the patterns". It seems that they also took care to align the rib tapes so the pattern marched, unbroken, across the surface, unrelieved by tapes. > >I consider this to be hogwash, and that any picture showing a perfect hex pattern - and there are plenty of them - is painted per the directive of April 3, 1917. > >Dan San Abbott's research in OTF and WWIAero shows the hex fabric to be elongated and skewed in relation to the bolt, thereby introducing a new variable in the correct representation of this scheme. > >And all of the references I have cite different colors for the so-called "brown" scheme. > >Furthermore, except for Americal's newest interpretation on their decals, none of the available sheets (in my possession) match the well-documented 15 cm span for these hexes; Americal's older sheets and CSM (sorry Eric) both being rather too large. > >I am seeking other informed opinion on the subject, and have considerably more documentation than will be of general interest to the group. Anyone else so inclined? LMK... > >Lance > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 11:46:55 -0600 From: Tom Solinski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Construction Issue... Message-ID: <3866548F.C2FE5713@ionet.net> Guys > How about some sort of micro filament? With the seam on the leading edge it > would be strong enough and as the paper shrinks would pull in to give the > scalloped trailing edge. > I have plans for a peanut demoiselle which calls for just such a fix. A trailing edge of monofiliment and let the tissue pull the scallops as it shrinks. Although in the small scale you're working in I wouldn't expect too much shrinking HTH Tom S ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 12:56:44 EST From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Subscription Message-ID: <0.beb8ca3.2599025c@aol.com> Happy Holidays sportsfans, I'm fixing to unleash Bob Horton on the list but I need subscription instructions as I'm working off my remote site and don't have my archives handy. Thanks, Glen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 18:02:40 GMT From: "Peter Leonard" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Construction Issue... Message-ID: <19991227180240.33844.qmail@hotmail.com> I've not been able to follow threads as closely as I'd like over the holiday, so forgive me if someone has already suggested this. Rather than tissue what about some of the iron on coverings. It's been a while since I built flying scale, but I remember these as being easier to apply and coax around wing tips etc. BTW, what material is proposed for the wing structure? In 1/48 balsa would be way OTT Peter ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 17:00:34 -0000 From: "Len Smith" To: Subject: Problems with Blue Max. Message-ID: <000201bf5095$749f2840$af4f08c3@mesh> Greetings, Some while ago several unfortunates were commenting on trouble with Blue Max kits, I believe I may have stumbled on the reason for the problems. On the 2000/2001 flyer the Pegasus series are referred to just as short run injection, but the Blue Max are labelled as 1/48 COLLECTORS Limited Editions. That is these are designed for collectors, who would not be worried about the odd ripple or two, and not intended to be purchased by vandals who actually try to BUILD THEM. My case rests. Regards Len. lensmith@clara.net http://home.clara.net/lensmith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 12:31:42 -0600 From: "Lee Mensinger" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu, GRBroman@aol.com Subject: Re: Subscription Message-ID: <3867B08E.2E1DD279@wireweb.net> This is the full text of the subscribe messag. Nothing else should be in the body of the message subscribe wwi {Your correct name} Some people use a nickname but most us a given and family name. That one line is the whole thing. No Subject wanted or required. Address is: wwi-request@pease1.sr.unh.edu Lee GRBroman@aol.com wrote: > Happy Holidays sportsfans, I'm fixing to unleash Bob Horton on the list but I > need subscription instructions as I'm working off my remote site and don't > have my archives handy. Thanks, Glen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 15:52:20 -0600 From: Brent & Tina Theobald To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Construction Issue... Message-ID: <3867DF94.98F469FE@airmail.net> Howdy! > BTW, what material is proposed for the wing structure? In 1/48 balsa would > be way OTT Yup! It would be too large. I was planning on using some real thin plywood or photo etch. I am concerned about the doped tissue adhering to the P/E. Brent ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 16:25:16 -0600 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: DH2 Message-ID: <199912272227.OAA28622@magpie.a001.sprintmail.com> In light of my Pegasus DH2 just showing up, I thought I would post what I have in my database. First of all, let me say I feel Pegasus has gone downhill with the DH2. Not only is the inside fuselage/cockpit area horrid, but mine came with a "dent" in the trailing edge. Gads... Anyways, if you don't have an HTML capable browser, cut and paste this into a web browser, or save it as a file and open it up in a browser. Personally I feel the most important reference material is the C&CI "stuff". The issues that covered it gave it wonderful detail and insight. Modeling Publications
Manufacturer:DeHavilland
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WW1Aircraft ArchiveVol 2DH212-151/72nd scale plans
WW1Aircraft ArchiveVol 2DH214Cockpit structural drawing
WW1Aircraft ArchiveVol 2DH212-15Feature Article
WW1Airpower1995 NovDH215Excellent fuselage side photo
WW1Aviation News04-Oct-84DH2340-3411/72nd scale plans (c)
WW1C&CIVol 20 No 01DH21-27Anatomy of an Aeroplane pt1
WW1C&CIVol 20 No 01DH2BCColor paintings
WW1C&CIVol 20 No 01DH2FCColor painting
WW1C&CIVol 20 No 01DH226-27Scale drawings
WW1C&CIVol 20 No 03DH2119-131Anatomy of an Aeroplane
WW1C&CIVol 21 No 03DH2FC,BCClose up photo's
WW1C&CIVol 21 No 03DH2112-146Anatomy of an Aeroplane pt.3
WW1C&CIVol 22 No 01DH21-40Anatomy of an Aeroplane pt.4
WW1C&CIVol 22 No 04DH2192-210Anatomy of an Aeroplane pt.5
WW1Datafile48DH2
WW1Over the FrontVol 03 No 03DH2275-280Plumage: No.24 Squadron, RFC
WW1Royal Flying Corps in World War One, TheDH27Photo
WW1Scale Models1972 JunDH2325-327Modifying Merit's 1/48 (c)
WW1Scale Models1972 JunDH2321,322,3241/48th drawings (c)
WW1Scale Models1972 JunDH2320-323Feature article (c)
WW1Vintage Warbirds01DH27Photo's
WW1WindsockVol 01 No 01DH23-41/48th Merit correction
WW1WindsockVol 13 No 01DH227-281/48th Blue Max review
WW1WW1 Aero146DH286-96Cockpits/Instruments
WW1Scale Aviation Modeller InternationalVol 03 No 11DH26661/48th Blue Max review
Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 22:49:43 GMT From: "Peter Leonard" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: DH2 Message-ID: <19991227224943.30148.qmail@hotmail.com> Matt...."mine came with a "dent" in the trailing edge. Gads..." I think it was Len Smith who reported the identical fault with his Pegasus DH2 a couple of days ago. If so this could be a serious mold defect. Peter ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 17:54:44 -0500 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: DH2 Message-ID: <000d01bf50bd$5edf5980$2c0b56d1@default> > First of all, let me say I feel Pegasus has gone downhill with > the DH2. Not only is the inside fuselage/cockpit area horrid, > but mine came with a "dent" in the trailing edge. Gads... Matt: My Smer DH.2 looked worse than that to start.....don't tell me miracles can't be worked in 1:72 also. ;-) sp Diving for cover behind the quarter scale side of his dislay case. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 18:45:19 -0500 From: bucky@ptdprolog.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Kriegsmarine Hex Message-ID: <3867FA0F.3BC38604@ptdprolog.net> ERIC HIGHT wrote: > it will be intersting what the rest > of the horde thinks. as to the brown pattern i have never seen any > pictures with an a/c covered in this. seems to me someone told me that it > was an experimental color scheme and late war at that. Eric Far from being an expert on this, here my 2 cents anyway. The Datafile on the W.29 shows one using the brown pattern (#2204). It also says that: "None of the logical distinctions seem to apply for there is no evidence to suggest that one scheme succeeded the other chronologically, nor were the schemes apparently related to manufacturers or areas of operation......There are also eyewitness reports of single airplanes with both fabrics i.e.: a W.29 with the 'light' fabric on wing, tail and fuselage with the dark version on the float tops. Certain biplanes had the 'two-blue' scheme on the top of their wings and the brown scheme on the top of the lower wings-perhaps as an early form of shadow compensation." As for me, the brown scheme looks cool so I think I'll use it on the Flashback 1/48 kit along with the pale green sides. Dicta Ira. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 17:09:08 -0700 From: ERIC HIGHT To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Kriegsmarine Hex Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19991227170908.006cf7a8@pop.amug.org> thanks mike eric At 06:51 PM 12/27/99 -0500, you wrote: > > >ERIC HIGHT wrote: > >> it will be intersting what the rest >> of the horde thinks. as to the brown pattern i have never seen any >> pictures with an a/c covered in this. seems to me someone told me that it >> was an experimental color scheme and late war at that. > >Eric Far from being an expert on this, here my 2 cents anyway. The Datafile >on the W.29 shows one using the brown pattern (#2204). It also says that: "None >of the logical distinctions seem to apply for there is no evidence to suggest >that one scheme succeeded the other chronologically, nor were the schemes >apparently related to manufacturers or areas of operation......There are also >eyewitness reports of single airplanes with both fabrics i.e.: a W.29 with the >'light' fabric on wing, tail and fuselage with the dark version on the float >tops. Certain biplanes had the 'two-blue' scheme on the top of their wings and >the brown scheme on the top of the lower wings-perhaps as an early form of >shadow compensation." > As for me, the brown scheme looks cool so I think I'll use it on the >Flashback 1/48 kit along with the pale green sides. Dicta Ira. >Mike Muth > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 20:11:07 -0600 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: DH2 Message-ID: <199912280213.SAA06885@magpie.a001.sprintmail.com> On Mon, 27 Dec 1999 17:59:30 -0500 (EST), smperry@mindspring.com wrote: > My Smer DH.2 looked worse than that to start.....don't tell me miracles > can't be worked in 1:72 also. > ;-) In general I agree with you. Any kit is worth working. However, when I spend US$20 on a kit, I would like that kit to have less molding flaws than a typical $5 kit. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 21:39:20 -0500 From: "Leonard Endy" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: One More before the 1st. Message-ID: <658g6s4853267bph8r6g3culucsftdfk0k@4ax.com> Well, it seems pretty quiet on the list - too much Holiday cheer ? The eduard Pfalz D.IIIa is ready for paint - Tues Night - and overall this is a nice kit. I promised myself that I would do it OOB and have it done before the New Year and it looks like I should make it (well at least by the end of the weekend ). The only thing I added were holes in the fuselage/upper wing for the fuel lines and the radiator hoses. I have the AeroMaster sheet w/ Holtzem's markings that I will use. Pretty straight forward scheme - overall silbergrau and no lozenge. I considered doing Kaus' plane but I knew I wouldn't get it done for sure ( maybe a future project - yeah right). Len ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 21:39:36 -0500 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: DH2 Message-ID: <000b01bf50dc$c8de43e0$cf0156d1@default> You are quite correct. I was just kidding around. Large gates and flash that clean off and leave a nice piece are one thing. Mold flaws are another thing all together and as such things go, shouldn't appear in 20 dollar kits...of any scale. sp > In general I agree with you. Any kit is worth working. However, > when I spend US$20 on a kit, I would like that kit to have less > molding flaws than a typical $5 kit. > > > Matt Bittner > http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook > http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 22:07:28 EST From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: One More before the 1st. Message-ID: <0.28880610.25998370@aol.com> In a message dated 99-12-27 21:41:10 EST, you write: << Well, it seems pretty quiet on the list - too much Holiday cheer ? The eduard Pfalz D.IIIa is ready for paint - Tues Night - and overall this is a nice kit. I promised myself that I would do it OOB and have it done before the New Year and it looks like I should make it (well at least by the end of the weekend ). The only thing I added were holes in the fuselage/upper wing for the fuel lines and the radiator hoses. I have the AeroMaster sheet w/ Holtzem's markings that I will use. Pretty straight forward scheme - overall silbergrau and no lozenge. I considered doing Kaus' plane but I knew I wouldn't get it done for sure ( maybe a future project - yeah right). >> Just don't drop it! :-) This is definitely the WW1 model to recommend to all your non-WW1 modeling friends who are thinking of dipping their big toe in the waters. Straight OOB it looks just fine. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 19:19:06 -0800 From: "charles t." To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Whatever became of..... Message-ID: <01bf50e2$4cb31920$93ba65d8@default> Just returned to the list after an extended absence...same great list as always. A friend has just picked up a copy of 'WW1 in Plastic" and was wondering whatever became of Brad Hansen...has there been a recent update of the book, is he still around modeling, etc.... Anyone have the answer? Thanks! Charles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 22:38:28 EST From: Suvoroff@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: DH2 Message-ID: <0.91861736.25998ab4@aol.com> Thanks for the heads up, Matt; I was going to order a couple of these, but I think maybe I'll fix up the old Revell kit instead. Yours, James D. Gray ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2052 **********************