WWI Digest 2049 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Season's Greetings Eh? by "cameron rile" 2) Re: Weyl/Fokker/Platz (was Re: Copper State's Lozenge.) by Dave Watts 3) Re:"Unusual" German Cross on eBay by Dave Watts 4) OT sound recordings by Albatrosdv@aol.com 5) Re: OT sound recordings by "Bob Pearson" 6) Re: Weyl/Fokker/Platz (was Re: Copper State's Lozenge.) by "Michael S. Alvarado" 7) Scho's O-400, was Re: Season's Greetings Eh? by "Matthew Bittner" 8) Christmas by John Cyganowski 9) Happy Birthday by Ernest Thomas 10) Re: Christmas by Ray_Boorman@telus.net 11) RE: Copper State's Lozenge. by Shane Weier 12) Re: ODBC Driver probs on Vamps Web Site by Ray_Boorman@telus.net 13) RE: Charles Hart by Shane Weier 14) RE: Weyl/Fokker/Platz (was Re: Copper State's Lozenge.) by Shane Weier 15) RE: Weyl/Fokker/Platz (was Re: Copper State's Lozenge.) by Shane Weier 16) Re: Charles Hart by "Steve Cox" 17) Plastic! by John Cyganowski 18) Re: Plastic! by "Bob Pearson" 19) Re: Season's Greetings Eh? by geoff-smith@cwcom.net 20) Re: Plastic! by Ernest Thomas 21) Re: Season's Greetings Eh? by Ernest Thomas 22) Colo(u)red Dope? by "David Vosburgh" 23) CSM Lozenge by "David Vosburgh" 24) Re: Plastic! by "K. Hagerup" 25) Re: Scho's O-400, was Re: Season's Greetings Eh? by Pedro e Francisca 26) RE: Plastic! by "John Glaser" 27) Re: Plastic! by Albatrosdv@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 15:04:17 -0500 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Season's Greetings Eh? Message-ID: <5839336092AB3D115A520005B80A2E33@cameron.prontomail.com> >Season's Greetings to all and a Happy New Millenium Thanks also to the list for keeping me company this year through many a long and tedious workday. Hopefully this year it will snow and I'll get to see my first white Xmas. Merry Xmas and a Happy New Year all. cam Australian Flying Corps Website : http://members.xoom.com/PointCook/index.htm ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail and Homepage at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 16:13:03 -0500 From: Dave Watts To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Weyl/Fokker/Platz (was Re: Copper State's Lozenge.) Message-ID: <199912242113.QAA80218@ind.cioe.com> Hi all, It's good to drag the old "stories" out into the sunlight, for clearer examination. We have discussed the Fokker D.VII non-existent blueprint drawings in the past. You can point to obvious reasons for Fokker wanting his former competitor Albatros to produce his design for the royalty fees, etc., but the hard facts are the drawings that surfaced in the Vienna government archives, (something akin to a government acquisition contracts department, they even have full blueprints for numerous old sailing frigates, etc.). These were drawings sent down for Fokker production in Austria, at M.A.G. The interesting thing is that these drawings are dated. It is self evident that the drawings were not made up all at one time to get a "set" for Austria. It appears more likely that there were multiple copies, hand made possibly at the time of the first rendering of the particular sheet, and these sheets were sent to Austria, and most likely to Albatros and O.A.W. The earliest drawings are dated from February, and there are later revised sheets for improvements and redesigns dated from August. Merry Christmas! Dave Watts PS:Some of the blueprints are of the frame, so I believe that there were complete drawings, (in reduced scale), of most everything. I speculate the practice of making full outline drawings "on the floor" for jigs would have been standard working practice, (but more likely on large tables). >That was why I put the dubious bit on my post, I wasn't sure where >the quote originally came from but the usual clue is when they say >Fokkers designer Platz.... > >As to the method of working from diagrams on walls, that was I >think more common. The quote makes it seem as if Fokkers works >were primitive in comparison to others and again I think that goes >back to Weyl. > >Just as an aside does anyone know why Weyl took such a dislike >to Anthony Fokker? > > >Ray (who is the white part of BC, so damn white you can't see a >damn thing, were fogged in..... Mutters about white Christmas) > >On 24 Dec 99, at 3:09, Bob Pearson wrote: > >> Unfortunately the following yet agains perpetuates Weyl's hatred of >> Fokker and makes that statement which has become accepted knowledge >> that Fokker never designed his aircraft, rather Platz did. The >> otherwise excellent Jagdwaffe books also fall prey to this by >> crediting Platz as Fokker's designer. >> >> IIRC it was Peter Grosz in an artilce in WW1 Aero who laid this to >> rest years ago and it is our duty to try and stop it from going >> further >> >> Bob >> In sunny (well it is dark now) Prince Rupert BC on the left coast of >> Canada where we are in the midst of a heat wave (it hit 12°, instead >> of -10°) .. even had a nice warm wind today and I got to wear shorts >> in public for the last time this century ... >> >> ---------- >> >From: Ray_Boorman@telus.net >> >> SNIP> >> >> > ". . . . simply didn't exist. Fokkers chief designer, Reinhold >> > Platz, had >> > never had drawings made up; ." >> > >> > Of course I've always been very dubious about such quotes, but I >> > think that is where the no plans legend info comes from. >> > >> > Ray >> > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 16:35:50 -0500 From: Dave Watts To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re:"Unusual" German Cross on eBay Message-ID: <199912242136.QAA81124@ind.cioe.com> I think I'm going to be ill. The poor bloke that bought it will someday get a unpleasant reality check on the authenticity. Obviously a case of more money than sense. It looks like Santa just dropped a lump of coal onto his carpet. Ho-Ho-Hooo! Dave W. > It seems that the fake but "Extremely rare fabric cross cut from WW1 Geman aircraft" we discussed recently just sold today for $2,125.00 on eBay. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=219725139 > > Instead of wasting our knowledge and artistic skills on models, maybe we should be making some of these. At least ours would look accurate. ;-) > > Fernando Lamas ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 16:54:36 EST From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: OT sound recordings Message-ID: <0.98106932.2595459c@aol.com> Those in the US who listen to NPR know they have been doing "sounds of the century" with listeners sending in old records, tape/wire recordings, etc., of things that give a sense of their times. They had a neat one today - I wish I had known they were going to do it, I would have recorded it: Enrico Caruso singing all the verses of "Over There" to the accompaniment of a snare drum, 1917 Victrola record. Pretty cool. "...and we won't come back 'til it's over, over there" - too bad it still doesn't seem to be over, over there, getting onto a century later. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 14:32:39 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: OT sound recordings Message-ID: <199912242244.OAA09191@mail.rapidnet.net> Great minds etc dept.. ... CBC has been doing the same for the last two weeks or so as well. (and as an aside too bad they don't drop the TV side of things and concentrate on radio ie ditch Enright, get Avril Benoit back . ........ ) Check out 'Old Time Victrola Music on Cassette' http://www.besmark.com You need real player to get the clips. Definately something to listen to. Bob ---------- >From: Albatrosdv@aol.com >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: OT sound recordings >Date: Fri, Dec 24, 1999, 2:02 PM > > Those in the US who listen to NPR know they have been doing "sounds of the > century" with listeners sending in old records, tape/wire recordings, etc., > of things that give a sense of their times. They had a neat one today - I > wish I had known they were going to do it, I would have recorded it: Enrico > Caruso singing all the verses of "Over There" to the accompaniment of a snare > drum, 1917 Victrola record. Pretty cool. > > "...and we won't come back 'til it's over, over there" - too bad it still > doesn't seem to be over, over there, getting onto a century later. > > Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 17:59:33 -0500 From: "Michael S. Alvarado" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Weyl/Fokker/Platz (was Re: Copper State's Lozenge.) Message-ID: <3863FAD5.E37B2960@bellatlantic.net> In the days of sailing ship and even to some extent even today, full size pattters for large parts were drawn in chalk on the floor or lofts or the large shipyard buildings that sails were laid out, cut and sewn in. Hence the term to "loft" the lines of a ship. Timbers were marked and cut, shaped to the proper sizies and shapes from these chalked drawings. "Engineering" changes were quickly made with the swipe of a rag or a broom and the stroke of chalk. It was a common practice not only of Tony Fokker but of practically every other large hadware manufacturer to do the same on the drafting room floor or the nearest convenient wall. Nowadays we draft it using CAD, send it to disk, put the disk in an NC machine and press a button. Instant parts from a digital drawing. Alvie Dave Watts wrote: > Hi all, > > It's good to drag the old "stories" out into the sunlight, for clearer > examination. We have discussed the Fokker D.VII non-existent blueprint > drawings in the past. You can point to obvious reasons for Fokker wanting > his former competitor Albatros to produce his design for the royalty fees, > etc., but the hard facts are the drawings that surfaced in the Vienna > government archives, (something akin to a government acquisition contracts > department, they even have full blueprints for numerous old sailing > frigates, etc.). These were drawings sent down for Fokker production in > Austria, at M.A.G. The interesting thing is that these drawings are dated. > It is self evident that the drawings were not made up all at one time to > get a "set" for Austria. It appears more likely that there were multiple > copies, hand made possibly at the time of the first rendering of the > particular sheet, and these sheets were sent to Austria, and most likely to > Albatros and O.A.W. The earliest drawings are dated from February, and > there are later revised sheets for improvements and redesigns dated from > August. > > Merry Christmas! > Dave Watts > > PS:Some of the blueprints are of the frame, so I believe that there were > complete drawings, (in reduced scale), of most everything. I speculate the > practice of making full outline drawings "on the floor" for jigs would have > been standard working practice, (but more likely on large tables). > > >That was why I put the dubious bit on my post, I wasn't sure where > >the quote originally came from but the usual clue is when they say > >Fokkers designer Platz.... > > > >As to the method of working from diagrams on walls, that was I > >think more common. The quote makes it seem as if Fokkers works > >were primitive in comparison to others and again I think that goes > >back to Weyl. > > > >Just as an aside does anyone know why Weyl took such a dislike > >to Anthony Fokker? > > > > > >Ray (who is the white part of BC, so damn white you can't see a > >damn thing, were fogged in..... Mutters about white Christmas) > > > >On 24 Dec 99, at 3:09, Bob Pearson wrote: > > > >> Unfortunately the following yet agains perpetuates Weyl's hatred of > >> Fokker and makes that statement which has become accepted knowledge > >> that Fokker never designed his aircraft, rather Platz did. The > >> otherwise excellent Jagdwaffe books also fall prey to this by > >> crediting Platz as Fokker's designer. > >> > >> IIRC it was Peter Grosz in an artilce in WW1 Aero who laid this to > >> rest years ago and it is our duty to try and stop it from going > >> further > >> > >> Bob > >> In sunny (well it is dark now) Prince Rupert BC on the left coast of > >> Canada where we are in the midst of a heat wave (it hit 12°, instead > >> of -10°) .. even had a nice warm wind today and I got to wear shorts > >> in public for the last time this century ... > >> > >> ---------- > >> >From: Ray_Boorman@telus.net > >> > >> SNIP> > >> > >> > ". . . . simply didn't exist. Fokkers chief designer, Reinhold > >> > Platz, had > >> > never had drawings made up; ." > >> > > >> > Of course I've always been very dubious about such quotes, but I > >> > think that is where the no plans legend info comes from. > >> > > >> > Ray > >> > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 21:29:49 -0600 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Scho's O-400, was Re: Season's Greetings Eh? Message-ID: <199912250331.TAA19811@crow.a001.sprintmail.com> On Fri, 24 Dec 1999 13:39:53 -0500 (EST), Steven Schofield wrote: > Hi you lot, Ho, Ho, Ho... > I've finished the Handley Page 0/400 and posted it to my website. Look for > the link in the top left - hand corner. > In the meantime, thankyou all for your support, advice, information, > criticism and encouragement over the past year, and for the 1000+ hits on > the website - not bad for a non-commercial, one-man operation eh? > Have a peaceful and happy holiday, I'll be back to bug you all next century. Excellent work! Man, that is great showing those in progress shots. Quite wonderful. I'm glad it went to a good home! :-) Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 00:14:06 -0500 From: John Cyganowski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Christmas Message-ID: <3864529E.B08578A0@worldnet.att.net> Peace on Earth Goodwill Toward Men. May the new century begin with Peace. If anybody has a Christmas Poem from the trenches, I would like to hear it. Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 23:22:23 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: multiple recipients of list Subject: Happy Birthday Message-ID: <3864548E.C2748116@bellsouth.net> Hi All, Just a reminder that December 25th is the birthday of one of the most important persons who ever walked the Earth. He was born on that date in 1642. Unlike others for whom this birthdate is claimed, this is truly attested, confirmed, actual, accurate, definite, the real birthdate/birthday of Sir Isaac Newton, who came up with wonderful observations about the world in which we live. Happy Birthday, Sir Isaac! Merry Newtonmass! E. the heretic, as always. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 21:44:27 -0800 From: Ray_Boorman@telus.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Christmas Message-ID: <199912250546.VAA03305@smtpout.telus.net> John and everyone else try this I think it fits the bill http://www.catholic.net/RCC/music/midi/christmas/trench.html Ray (eating mince pies the best part of christmas) On 25 Dec 99, at 0:20, John Cyganowski wrote: > Peace on Earth Goodwill Toward Men. > > May the new century begin with Peace. > > If anybody has a Christmas Poem from the trenches, I would like to > hear it. > > Cyg. > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 16:39:20 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Copper State's Lozenge. Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1B58@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Eric, > i can't quote chapter and verse. my research dept has to > "sell" me on what > they come up with. these were the sources he sighted as his main > reference. if you need chapter and verse i can get him to > get it to me. I'd appreciate you asking your researcher for it. Frankly, if your research department is quoting project Butterfly as a source for German fabric he's talking what we crude colonials call bullshit. OTOH I have no argument with the colours used in your loz, which is within the correct range IMHO - just the thought that research into French finishes has any relevance. > > as to the dope my source is again my research dept. and ray > rimel. varnish > is not clear by nature it has any where from yellow to > red-brown orange > color to it. 30 years of refinishing antique furniture(circa > 1600,1700 and 1800 furniture). All very well, but dope isn't varnish, ancient,17th to early 20th century or modern but an entirely different substance. Varnishes don't shrink on application, or every coat on the non shrinkingh surface of your antique furniture would be smaller than the furniture when it dried - leaving sodding great cracks. Varnish *was* used on wooden components though - and fatty oil based paints on metal and pre-shrunk (using dopes) fabric as colour coats. On a subject raised by RK - I understand what he means about fuzziness now - not the outlining of the lozenges, but the way the dye is unevenly taken up by the fabric, in so far as some threads seem to soak it up and others to stay pretty well plain old linen colour. I've tried to reproduce this with very thinned CDL colour kinda crisscross painted over the fabric. The effect of very very light brush strokes is kinda right but not good enough in 1/48. May work better in bigger scales where you could do each loz individually (urgh) Shane (full of fresh prawns, mango and the rest of Christmas lunch - Merry Christmas All) ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 22:50:28 -0800 From: Ray_Boorman@telus.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: ODBC Driver probs on Vamps Web Site Message-ID: <199912250653.WAA14758@smtpout.telus.net> Sorry about this ot post. If anyone knows Lubos at Vamps email addy, can they forward this email to him. A few of us are having problems accessing his site since he made some mods to it. I have tried 3 different browsers and get the same ODBC driver errors which didn't sunrise me, since the driver would be common to all windoze progs. Anyway heres the error message I get which might aide Lubos in tracking down what the problem is. "Microsoft OLE DB Provider for ODBC Drivers error '80040e21' The request properties can not be supported by this ODBC Driver. /vamp/inshop/skripty/pocita_ceny.asp, line 656 " Ray ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 16:54:58 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Charles Hart Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1B5B@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Dale, > Would anyone know of Charles' E - mail address? He had > written me regarding > Americal decals and I can't seem to find the address. hartc@spot.colorado.edu Charles still lurks the archive when he has time - that bane of the modelling man (work)is largeley responsible for his continued absence Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 17:05:21 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Weyl/Fokker/Platz (was Re: Copper State's Lozenge.) Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1B5C@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Dave says: > I > speculate the > practice of making full outline drawings "on the floor" for > jigs would have > been standard working practice, (but more likely on large tables). > "Lofting" Still common enough practice in late 20th century. Not everything needs to be measured with a micrometer. Shane (who has seen boilermakers laying out full size drawings on concrete floors in chalk many times in the last 10 years) ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 17:09:51 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Weyl/Fokker/Platz (was Re: Copper State's Lozenge.) Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1B5D@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Alvie > Hence the > term to "loft" the lines of a ship. Timbers were marked and > cut, shaped to the > proper sizies and shapes from these chalked drawings. > "Engineering" changes > were quickly made with the swipe of a rag or a broom and the > stroke of chalk. > It was a common practice not only of Tony Fokker but of > practically every other > large hadware manufacturer to do the same on the drafting > room floor or the > nearest convenient wall. Nowadays we draft it using CAD, > send it to disk, put > the disk in an NC machine and press a button. Instant parts > from a digital drawing. Rats. You beat me to it. All true, except that many thousands of heavy engineering "one-ofs" are still made all over the world (even in the US!) without the use of these infernal machines. The last bastion of the blackhand craftsman. Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 21:03:06 +0000 From: "Steve Cox" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Charles Hart Message-ID: I have hartc@spot.colorado.edu. Don't know how current it is Regards Steve =========================================== steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk If I didn't spend so much time on line ‹‹ I'd get more models finished ================ ---------- >From: "Dale Beamish" >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Charles Hart >Date: Fri, Dec 24, 1999, 2:02 pm > > Would anyone know of Charles' E - mail address? He had written me regarding > Americal decals and I can't seem to find the address. > TIA > Dale > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 07:53:41 -0500 From: John Cyganowski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Plastic! Message-ID: <3864BE55.C13F0D71@worldnet.att.net> Okay I didn't get any this year - Plastic that is! :-) So let me live vicariously through sombody who did. Wad-ja git? Wad-ja git?? Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 05:11:52 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Plastic! Message-ID: <199912251315.FAA20202@mail.rapidnet.net> A cool biplane ornament made out of a spark plug, a Y2K bug note holder (has to be seen).. lots of ink for printing out my profiles to take to Pensacola. .. socks . . . . Bob ---------- >From: John Cyganowski >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Plastic! >Date: Sat, Dec 25, 1999, 5:00 AM > > Okay I didn't get any this year - Plastic that is! :-) > > So let me live vicariously through sombody who did. > > Wad-ja git? Wad-ja git?? > > Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 13:16:53 -0000 From: geoff-smith@cwcom.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Season's Greetings Eh? Message-ID: <0f92a52151319c9DIAL3@cwcom.net> > Season's Greetings to all and a Happy New Millenium (even though, > technically, it doesn't start 'til 2001)! Why, please, I've seen this before but nobody's explained. Does this mean 1914-1918 should be 1915-1919? Am I suddenly a year younger? Let me know off-list, this is bugging me. :-)) May I also offer Greetings to this band of brothers and suggest, humbly that we should remember all those less fortunate. Particularly Venezuela, Pedro and myself have tried contacting Alberto R. without success, though my messages aren't being bounced. If anyone has heard from him recently, please let us know. Regards, Geoff ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 08:10:20 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Plastic! Message-ID: <3864D04B.E75A90F1@bellsouth.net> John Cyganowski wrote: > Wad-ja git? Wad-ja git?? > Well..... My loving, adoring wife, in an attempt to make her husband happy on Newtonmass morning, ordered exactly what I had highlighted in the Squadron catalog. Problem is, stupid ME went and highlighted the Dewotine D.501 instead of the Breguet. :( I just hope Squadron didn't sell out the Breguets. E. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 08:30:37 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Season's Greetings Eh? Message-ID: <3864D50D.EAA1B0FB@bellsouth.net> geoff-smith@cwcom.net wrote: > Why, please, I've seen this before but nobody's explained. Does > this mean 1914-1918 should be 1915-1919? Am I suddenly a year > younger? Let me know off-list, this is bugging me. :-)) > No Geoff, you're not a year younger. In a nutshell, 2000 is the last year of the 20th century, with 2001 being the first year of the 21st. So we get to do this all over again next year. So hang on to all that ammo you stock piled. But in the grand scheme of things, our planet/solar system/galaxy/universe doesn't know or care what arbitrary date we've set as a reference point to base our calnedar on. We could come up with all sorts of other dates to base it on as well, ie; the date our planet more or less finished condensing out of space dust, the year that the first microscopic life forms arose in the primordial oceans, the year that life first crawled out of those oceans, the year the first mamals evolved, the year humans branched off fromthe primates, the year of the earliest civilization as we know it... > May I also offer Greetings to this band of brothers and suggest, > humbly that we should remember all those less fortunate. > Particularly Venezuela, Pedro and myself have tried contacting > Alberto R. without success, though my messages aren't being > bounced. If anyone has heard from him recently, please let us > know. > Yes, I was wondering about that myself. Please let us know when you hear from him. I hope he and his family(his wife is beautiful, btw) are on high ground and not experiencing any loss due to those floods I'd heard about. And if he has, I'm sure I can spare an OT kit or two to help him start another stockpile. E. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 09:59:00 -0500 From: "David Vosburgh" To: "WWI Mailing List" Subject: Colo(u)red Dope? Message-ID: <001a01bf4ee8$94853400$7cd690d0@Pvosburg> Just to throw a sideline into the "colored dope over lozenge" debate, I recall an article appearing in WW1 Aero about 10-12 years ago where a gentleman put forth an argument (pretty well thought out, too) that lozenge fabric was only produced in the *bottom* colors... and that the upper surfaces just had a black-tinted dope applied to them to tone the colors down. Sounds weird, but IIRC he'd analyzed some photos showing that there was no seam on the leading edges of the wings, just a line where the tone of the lozenges changed but the pattern didn't. Not an endorsement, but it's an interesting theory nonetheless... DV ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 10:16:42 -0500 From: "David Vosburgh" To: "WWI Mailing List" Subject: CSM Lozenge Message-ID: <001c01bf4eeb$0d301800$7cd690d0@Pvosburg> Just another note on the CSM lozenge fabric; please note that while the images of the decals which I put up on Eric's site are scans taken directly from the sheets, they can't be taken as true representations of the colors. I got them as near to correct as possible *on my machine* and pre-viewed them at different settings before uploading them to the site, but what you're seeing on your monitor I have no way of knowing. I run 24-bit color on a calibrated monitor, but lots of people run 16-bit, while a few still run 256 colors. In addition, if you're viewing it on a Mac, the way your monitor will show the colors will be considerably different because of the difference in gamma settings. What struck me most when I took the decals out of the package, though, was the "greyed" appearance... they're somewhat similar to (but stronger than) the colors in Koster's loz fabric in the D.VIII kit, which were the best representation I'd seen up to that point. FWIW, DV ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 10:59:03 -0600 From: "K. Hagerup" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Plastic! Message-ID: <3864F7D7.55E2@prodigy.net> No plastic (besides the Eduard 1/72 Albatros D.Va I bought myself), but my wife gave me an ALPS printer. Best wishes for a happy, healthy, safe, and prosperous new year. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 17:36:28 +0000 From: Pedro e Francisca To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Scho's O-400, was Re: Season's Greetings Eh? Message-ID: <3865009B.ACD290F7@mail.telepac.pt> Matthew Bittner wrote: > OExcellent work! Man, that is great showing those in progress > shots. Quite wonderful. I'm glad it went to a good home! :-) > > Matt Bittner > http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook > http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm All said and well said. Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 12:05:44 -0600 From: "John Glaser" To: Subject: RE: Plastic! Message-ID: <000601bf4f02$aac55050$8d00000a@johnghome> John Cyganowski wrote: > Wad-ja git? Wad-ja git?? > OT stuff for me was FM-TM (From Myself-To Myself): A K&B DH-10 picked up on eBay ($27) & the Blue Max D.III OEF. Certain un-named benefactors (you know who you are) provided me with a purloined, a.k.a, Xeroxed, OT book copy and some OT artwork - both probably the best gifts this year. Hope that all had a special Christmas. - John ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 13:09:44 EST From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Plastic! Message-ID: <0.d305e4bf.25966268@aol.com> In a message dated 99-12-25 09:12:50 EST, you write: << Problem is, stupid ME went and highlighted the Dewotine D.501 instead of the Breguet. :( >> Don't worry, E - the 501 is a mess worthy of your talents to straighten it out! :-) Tom C ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2049 **********************