WWI Digest 2043 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Building a Better Idiot by BOBFABRIS@delphi.com 2) Re: Fokker D.VII without lozenges by Marlon Schultz 3) Re: Fokker D.VII without lozenges by GRBroman@aol.com 4) Re: Fokker D.VII without lozenges by "Matt Bittner" 5) Re: Kit tally by Brent & Tina Theobald 6) Re: And the parties responsible are... by Ashley9862@aol.com 7) Re: Fokker D.VII without lozenges by Marlon Schultz 8) Re: Fokker D.VII without lozenges by "Matt Bittner" 9) BM Austrian Albatros - quick review by Albatrosdv@aol.com 10) Re: Fokker D.VII without lozenges by Marlon Schultz 11) Goerin's D.VII, was Re: Fokker D.VII without lozenges by "Matt Bittner" 12) RE: Kit tally by Shane Weier 13) Goerin's D.VII, was Re: Fokker D.VII without lozenges by Marlon Schultz 14) Re: Fokker D.VII without lozenges by "David C. Fletcher" 15) Eduards 1/72 Albatros DVa-First view by BStett3770@aol.com 16) RE: Eduards 1/72 Albatros DVa-First view by Shane Weier 17) Re: foobar2 by "Lee Mensinger" 18) Re: Building a Better Idiot by "Michael S. Alvarado" 19) Re: Building a Better Idiot by "Michael S. Alvarado" 20) Re: Building a Better Idiot by "Michael S. Alvarado" 21) Re: Building a Better Idiot by "Michael S. Alvarado" 22) Re: can you hear me mother? by "Michael S. Alvarado" 23) Re: Fokker D.VII without lozenges by "Michael S. Alvarado" 24) Re: foobar2 by "Michael S. Alvarado" 25) Re: Building a Better Idiot by Albatrosdv@aol.com 26) Re: Holtzem correction by "Michael S. Alvarado" 27) "Wier Virus" now approaching epidemic status!! by Albatrosdv@aol.com 28) RE: "Wier Virus" now approaching epidemic status!! by Shane Weier 29) Re: Building a Better Idiot by smperry@mindspring.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:05:54 -0500 (EST) From: BOBFABRIS@delphi.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Building a Better Idiot Message-ID: <01JJRL51BZDU90D4FK@delphi.com> In the electrical section of your DIY store, you will find plastic grills which generally are used to cover fluorescent lamps and such. These grills fit on the floor of the hobby space and capture teenybits as they fall and try to bounce about. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 13:36:54 -0600 From: Marlon Schultz To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Fokker D.VII without lozenges Message-ID: Hermann Goering flew a number of Fokker D.VII and with the exception of the all white D.VII he flew at the end of the war all had lozenge wings. The A/C you are referring was an early model Fokker built A/C with red cowling,struts and wheels , the Fokker streaky finish on the fuselage and a yellow tail. Greg Van Wyngarden believes this A/C was prepared for Lothar von Ricthofen and I believe Goering scored his 22nd victory in this A/C. It probably also had 5 colour lozenge on the wings as a number if not most of the first production batch had 5 colour. He also flew Fokker D.VII 4253/18 (second production batch). This A/C had 4 colour lozenge on the wings with the forward fuselage struts and wheels red. Back half of fuselage in white.(White was Goering's personal colour) . This A/C had been used also by Ernst Udet.(No , this was not Du Doch Nicht!) It also had a cutout by cockpit on pilots left to make access easier because of Goering's arthritis. His all white A/C also had this cut out. For futher reading there was an article in "Over the Front" a couple of years ago by Greg Van Wyngarden on the aircraft of Hermann Goering . Fokker D.VII 4253/18 and the all white 5125/18 are shown in Albatros Productions "von Richthofen's Flying Circus" Both show the cockpit cutout and colour demarcation for his A/C. He also flew a D.VII with Jasta 27 with a white cowling and tail from the first production batch. I have never seen a production Fokker D.VII without lozenge fabric wings ( unless overpainted in the field). Marlon Schultz >>> 12/21 12:11 PM >>> I am working on a 1/72 Fokker D.VII and I want to avoid the lozenges. I understand Hermann Goering flew a D.VII with a red front, yellow rear fuselage and wings painted khaki drab. I would appreciate any reference to this paint scheme (or any other easy paintable one, for example all olive drab!). Best regards --------------------------------------------- Este mensaje fue enviado desde el servidor TOURNET Webmail. http://www.tournet.com.ar ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:48:48 EST From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Fokker D.VII without lozenges Message-ID: <0.5aa010fb.259133a0@aol.com> In a message dated 12/21/99, 12:09:13 PM, wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu writes: <> I'm gonna get killed for this, but you can do an overall olive drab D VII. The USAAC got a whole pile (Thats Midwestern slang for 147) of them as war spoils after WWI. Most remained in service in German markings, which is waaaay cool it's ownself, but some were repainted in USAAC olive drab and three or so went to the USMC, one of which appears in my book on USMC aviation, to have had an eagle, globe and anchor on the side. After my first D VII fiasco, I think I may be ready to try another in a suitably different paint scheme. In 1/72, of course... Glen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 13:47:08 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Fokker D.VII without lozenges Message-ID: <199912211936.NAA08916@itd.sterling.com> On Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:42:09 -0500 (EST), Marlon Schultz wrote: > He also flew a D.VII with Jasta 27 with a white cowling and > tail from the first production batch. I have never seen a production > Fokker D.VII without lozenge fabric wings ( unless overpainted in the > field). He also flew a black and white striped D.VII that - we think - was painted this way *at the factory*. Granted, the undersurfaces of the wings were not painted - left lozenge - but it sure is a striking scheme. For what it looked like check out Steve Hustad's excellent model of it on September's Internet Modeler. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:08:45 -0600 From: Brent & Tina Theobald To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Kit tally Message-ID: <385FDE4C.A4ABB796@airmail.net> Heck with how many I built! Don't you want to know how many I bought? 3 resin kits 4 Toko's 1 Pegasus 12 Eduard's 1 Blue Max 1 Aeroclub I don't care to go and count the vacs I've found this year. And I am about to call Eric over at CSM and take advantage of his sale. What I finished were: Two Toko's and one Eduard. I have started several others. I expect my build/purchase ratio to get better next year. This is the first year I built WWI and I had lots of ot projects to get off my bench. Is it time to make New Year's resolutions yet? If it is I would like to resolve to scratch build my first project in 2000. Now that I have the Caproni datafile I can get to work. Brent ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:12:37 EST From: Ashley9862@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: And the parties responsible are... Message-ID: <0.349c396c.25913935@aol.com> We broke it!!! Oh no....those machines are getting revenge on me for my saying "if the computer upsets you, show it no respect..pull the plug"..the evil things. Candice A sure cure for paranoia is to get rid of ALL your enemies... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:23:42 -0600 From: Marlon Schultz To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Fokker D.VII without lozenges Message-ID: I have never seen any reference to a black and white strippped A/C flown by Goering, but his white A/C is believed to have been painted all white at the Fokker Factory as shown by black weight tables, serial number and datum line on fuselage. A number of aces flew black and white striped A/C. Neckel,Mai, Kirchstein,for example flew D.VII with zebra stripes. Bruno Lozerer flew one with black and white bands on not only fuselage and tail but also over painted top wing in black and white. Marlon >>> "Matt Bittner" 12/21 1:55 PM >>> On Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:42:09 -0500 (EST), Marlon Schultz wrote: > He also flew a D.VII with Jasta 27 with a white cowling and > tail from the first production batch. I have never seen a production > Fokker D.VII without lozenge fabric wings ( unless overpainted in the > field). He also flew a black and white striped D.VII that - we think - was painted this way *at the factory*. Granted, the undersurfaces of the wings were not painted - left lozenge - but it sure is a striking scheme. For what it looked like check out Steve Hustad's excellent model of it on September's Internet Modeler. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:28:14 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Fokker D.VII without lozenges Message-ID: <199912212017.OAA11542@itd.sterling.com> On Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:29:27 -0500 (EST), Marlon Schultz wrote: > I have never seen any reference to a black and white strippped A/C > flown by Goering, but his white A/C is believed to have been painted > all white at the Fokker Factory as shown by black weight tables, > serial number and datum line on fuselage. A number of aces flew black > and white striped A/C. Neckel,Mai, Kirchstein,for example flew D.VII > with zebra stripes. Bruno Lozerer flew one with black and white bands > on not only fuselage and tail but also over painted top wing in black > and white. There are pictures of it in WW1 Aero, and one other source I just saw - but don't remember. Maybe the new Awards book by O'Conner? Anyway, it wasn't flown a lot (any?) during the war, and was one he flew to Sweden after the Armistice. The striping was a lot different from the others, especially the upper wing. Pretty cool! Like I said, a model of it is in the September Internet Modeler. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:41:14 EST From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: BM Austrian Albatros - quick review Message-ID: <0.67595ae.25913fea@aol.com> Just got the review copy of the BM Austrian Albatros, and.... Overall, I would say that the *only* place where it is even comparable to the Eduard Albatros D.III is in the surface detail of the wings, wince it doesn't have "hills and valleys." While comparing the primitiveness of a BM limited-run kit to a modern Eduard is comparing applies and oranges, you just *know* Eduard will bring out an Austrian Albatros in the forseeable future, and at 2/3 the price and double the quality of the BM kit - even if it does have "hills and valleys." The BM kit has the vertical fin and tail skit molded in halves to the fuselage. You will need to cut this off and make it thinner as it is waaaaay too thick. Haven't checked if the separate rudder is equally think; you'll have to thin it no matter how much surface detail you loose because that fin just doesn't look right. Similar problem with the horizontal stab. Nice surface detail, but the airfoil section looks like a P-51 wing, and again at least 1/3 too thick. There goes that surface detail. I think the wing has too much curve in the airfoil section, at least compared to the Eduard. The decals are nice, though. I like the airplanes you can do are not "annonymous." I would say that, unless you get an Eduard engine out and modify it, that what passes for an "engine" in the kit is best covered over with the winter cowling, leaving you with the model 53 variant as your "doable" airplane. This is not up to the overall standard of the S.E.5a he released most recently. Overall, on the "hit and miss" BM release schedule, this one's a dud. Since I have both it and an Eduard as review copies, I am tempted to use the relevant BM parts on the Eduard kit, but that wouldn't be "playing fair." My recommendation? Wait for the Eduard release. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:56:59 -0600 From: Marlon Schultz To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Fokker D.VII without lozenges Message-ID: I know which one you are talking about especially after the post war Sweden reference. I believe that aircraft originally flew with Jasta 26 (the black and white bands Jasta markings)and was not used by Goering during the war, but as you mentioned post-war. Marlon >>> "Matt Bittner" 12/21 2:33 PM >>> On Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:29:27 -0500 (EST), Marlon Schultz wrote: > I have never seen any reference to a black and white strippped A/C > flown by Goering, but his white A/C is believed to have been painted > all white at the Fokker Factory as shown by black weight tables, > serial number and datum line on fuselage. A number of aces flew black > and white striped A/C. Neckel,Mai, Kirchstein,for example flew D.VII > with zebra stripes. Bruno Lozerer flew one with black and white bands > on not only fuselage and tail but also over painted top wing in black > and white. There are pictures of it in WW1 Aero, and one other source I just saw - but don't remember. Maybe the new Awards book by O'Conner? Anyway, it wasn't flown a lot (any?) during the war, and was one he flew to Sweden after the Armistice. The striping was a lot different from the others, especially the upper wing. Pretty cool! Like I said, a model of it is in the September Internet Modeler. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:58:24 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Goerin's D.VII, was Re: Fokker D.VII without lozenges Message-ID: <199912212047.OAA13655@itd.sterling.com> On Tue, 21 Dec 1999 16:01:10 -0500 (EST), Marlon Schultz wrote: > I know which one you are talking about especially after the post war > Sweden reference. I believe that aircraft originally flew with Jasta > 26 (the black and white bands Jasta markings)and was not used by > Goering during the war, but as you mentioned post-war. I don't think it flew with any Jasta's that weren't Goering's. I'm almost positive it was delivered to him, personally, by Fokker himself. I'll have to check with Hustad to be sure, though. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 07:21:35 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Kit tally Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1B36@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Brent says: > If it is I would like to > resolve to scratch build my first project in 2000. Now that I have the > Caproni datafile I can get to work. BANG !!!!!!! They're racing, first out of the gates is the colt from down under, but what's this...he's stalled and the challenger is fast approaching...... Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:25:07 -0600 From: Marlon Schultz To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Goerin's D.VII, was Re: Fokker D.VII without lozenges Message-ID: The Black and white banded Fokker carries a colour scheme almost exactly like an earlier D.VII flown by Goering's good buddy Bruno Loerzer. A/C was definitely not JG.1 or Jasta 27. I would also imagine post war he would have flown whatever he could get regardless of which Jasta the A/C had served with before. Marlon >>> "Matt Bittner" 12/21 3:06 PM >>> On Tue, 21 Dec 1999 16:01:10 -0500 (EST), Marlon Schultz wrote: > I know which one you are talking about especially after the post war > Sweden reference. I believe that aircraft originally flew with Jasta > 26 (the black and white bands Jasta markings)and was not used by > Goering during the war, but as you mentioned post-war. I don't think it flew with any Jasta's that weren't Goering's. I'm almost positive it was delivered to him, personally, by Fokker himself. I'll have to check with Hustad to be sure, though. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 11:24:45 -0800 From: "David C. Fletcher" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Fokker D.VII without lozenges Message-ID: <385FD3FD.8F992A8D@mars.ark.com> iceman@tournet.com.ar wrote: "I am working on a 1/72 Fokker D.VII and I want to avoid the lozenges..." I have a Monogram D.VII reserved to make a SABENA two-seat D.VII - that neatly avoids lozenge and still gives an attractive scheme. I have the Granger drawings of two of them somewhere in my archives (euphemism for pile of paper...). It's slightly "ot" in paintwork, but "OT" in manufacture. The Koninklijke Luchtmacht (Royal Netherlands Air Force) also operated a number of overall green D.VIIs into the 1920s. Mike F. did a bit of a study on non-lozenge D.VIIs with a view to doing an IPMS article - are you out there, Mike? Dave Fletcher -- Visit us at our Home Page: ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 16:51:40 EST From: BStett3770@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Eduards 1/72 Albatros DVa-First view Message-ID: <0.d839cae7.2591506c@aol.com> Hi Gang Got the 1/72 Eduards Alb DVa kits today. Box art on my web site. Didn't lay it on plans yet. Over all very nicely molded 0 all Plastic no P/E. Wings look great nice & thin. Engine so-so. Real nice struts Some interior stuff- more then the Toko kits - seat, floor, joystick- rudder petals, Nice looked fuselage- with tail skid molded separate marking for two A/C -both with Green & purple wing - no need for lozenge. I'll put it on plans tonight & let you all know tomorrow. All in all well worth the price Keep Modeling Barry Rosemont Hobby www.swiftsite.com/rosemonthobby ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 08:29:11 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Eduards 1/72 Albatros DVa-First view Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1B37@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Barry: > All in all well worth the price > Which is........? Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 17:36:29 -0600 From: "Lee Mensinger" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: foobar2 Message-ID: <38600EFD.2773F980@wireweb.net> Should read FUBAR. I know what that means... I was there many times. Lee Allan Wright wrote: > Foobar? > > =============================================================================== > Allan Wright Jr. | "Without love, life's just a long fight" - SSJ > University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- > Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu > =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 18:58:16 -0500 From: "Michael S. Alvarado" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Building a Better Idiot Message-ID: <38601418.9A8CBEF2@bellatlantic.net> Amen! Alvie Lance Krieg wrote: > Shane, Alvie, and Len: > > I bow to bigger idiots. I don't feel at all bad now, especially after Alvie's fiasco. Hell, all I did was spoil some finish and clip a couple of embedded rigging wires. > > Perhaps the first rule of Ira's Dictate should be: "Don't drop the model". > > Lance ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 19:00:44 -0500 From: "Michael S. Alvarado" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Building a Better Idiot Message-ID: <386014AB.B5D13761@bellatlantic.net> I thought it was just my ham handed modeling but the Aeroclub RE8 is incredibly heavy for its size isn't it? Alvie Brent & Tina Theobald wrote: > "Michael S. Alvarado" wrote: > > > Nothing can be made idiot proof because idiots are so clever. My great idiot > > disaster for this year was while attempting to build an Aeroclub RE8. > > You have my condolences on your RE8. I have been working on mine for about six weeks. > I am almost ready to close the cockpit. I guess all the weight from the metal parts > just caused the model to explode. I have been surprised how heavy mine has been > getting. I have joked among my modeling friends that I am going to need to add weight > to the tail in order for the model to remain a tail dragger. Anyhow, I understand how > rough it is to lose that model so near to completion. It's always harder to lose > something that was difficult to build that a kit that fell together. > > Brent ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 19:07:16 -0500 From: "Michael S. Alvarado" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Building a Better Idiot Message-ID: <38601633.ACA693C3@bellatlantic.net> Actually I think the ultra high frequency vibrations caused when the brass parts hit the carpet or floor around the workbench open an inter-dimensional portal and suck the little boogers into an alternate universe. The smaller or more important the part, the higher the frequency of the vibrations and the deeper into that alternate universe the parts are sucked. Alvie's theory on missing parts. Alvie smperry@mindspring.com wrote: > Ever consider the possibility of there bring an alternate dimension where > brass parts for modeling purposes are very rare? The technologically > advanced aliens living there create interdimensional vortices under our > modeling benches which are actvated by the "twink" of brass departing the > tender embrace of tweezers.. > > Well, harboring such fantasys beats living with the brutal fact that I'm a > seven thumbed oaf who has no business around sharp or small objects without > adult supervision. > > sp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 19:09:23 -0500 From: "Michael S. Alvarado" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Building a Better Idiot Message-ID: <386016B3.F23B3CFC@bellatlantic.net> Ah! Alternate universe barriers. I need a truck load full. Alvie BOBFABRIS@delphi.com wrote: > In the electrical section of your DIY store, you will find plastic grills > which generally are used to cover fluorescent lamps and such. These grills > fit on the floor of the hobby space and capture teenybits as they fall and > try to bounce about. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 19:10:05 -0500 From: "Michael S. Alvarado" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: can you hear me mother? Message-ID: <386016DD.EFB96A55@bellatlantic.net> Read you loud and clear. Alvie (not your mother) Peter Leonard wrote: > just testing > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 19:11:29 -0500 From: "Michael S. Alvarado" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Fokker D.VII without lozenges Message-ID: <38601731.572A1707@bellatlantic.net> Goering flew an all white one at one point in his career. Alvie iceman@tournet.com.ar wrote: > I am working on a 1/72 Fokker D.VII and I want to avoid the lozenges. I > understand Hermann Goering flew a D.VII with a red front, yellow rear fuselage > and wings painted khaki drab. I would appreciate any reference to this paint > scheme (or any other easy paintable one, for example all olive drab!). > > Best regards > --------------------------------------------- > Este mensaje fue enviado desde el servidor TOURNET Webmail. > http://www.tournet.com.ar ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 19:13:16 -0500 From: "Michael S. Alvarado" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: foobar2 Message-ID: <3860179B.BA2430ED@bellatlantic.net> Foobar got through here. Alvie Allan Wright wrote: > Foobar? > > =============================================================================== > Allan Wright Jr. | "Without love, life's just a long fight" - SSJ > University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- > Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu > =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 19:25:02 EST From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Building a Better Idiot Message-ID: <0.a35808db.2591745e@aol.com> In a message dated 99-12-21 19:12:24 EST, you write: << I thought it was just my ham handed modeling but the Aeroclub RE8 is incredibly heavy for its size isn't it? >> There's so much metal in the forward end if you don't put some birdshot in the rear it has a real possibility of being a nose-sitter with slight provocation. Tom Cleaver (speaking from experience) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 19:16:58 -0500 From: "Michael S. Alvarado" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Holtzem correction Message-ID: <38601879.839DD30C@bellatlantic.net> Having looked at these photographs. I don't believe the upper wing is lozenge covered, but the lower wing is definitely darker than the rest of the airframe with a sharp demarcation at the lower wing-fuselage joint. Could Holtzem's aircraft have possibly been finished in standard overall Silbergrau with a lozenge covered replacement lower wing panel? Alvie Marlon Schultz wrote: > There is a better photograph showing the straight exhaust pipes > on Holtzem's A/C in" Windsock International" Volume 8 No. 4 . They > also address the lozenge question with no firm(where have I heard this > before?) answer to the question.I personally don't know that much > about Pfalz lozenge covering practices suggest you check out Datafile > 21 on the Pfalz D.IIIa > > Marlon Schultz > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 20:30:32 EST From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: "Wier Virus" now approaching epidemic status!! Message-ID: <0.4f02158.259183b8@aol.com> Awright, Wier, no more of this talk of the Royal Klutz, hear me? I'm reading about all you Better Idiots, I get off-line, go over and start working on rigging my D.IIIa. Get all the way to the last-but-one,and... The cat rubs against my leg so I move ever so slightly, and the D.IIIa falls over off the little rest table I have on my lap as I cut the last wire and... Ends at my feet, a drop of 2 ft maybe, onto a carpet, where the upper wing neatly disassembles, keeping the interplane struts attached to the upper wing and the cabanes to the fuselage, and all but three of the wires were salvageable... First time I have ever seen a non-silicon virus spread by computer! :-) Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 11:39:04 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: "Wier Virus" now approaching epidemic status!! Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1B39@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Tom, > Awright, Wier, no more of this talk of the Royal Klutz, hear > me? Mea culpa, mea maxima culpa. I'll make confession, read three Biggles and in future I'll ring my bell and proclaim "Leper ! Leper " as I enter these portals. Except to say that Alvie gets my prize for saddest story. Minor disassembly I can live with but explosion into an alternate universe is altogether too much. Shane W*e*ier ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 20:44:28 -0500 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: Building a Better Idiot Message-ID: <001b01bf4c1e$16804c60$ec0956d1@default> > In the electrical section of your DIY store, you will find plastic grills > which generally are used to cover fluorescent lamps and such. These grills > fit on the floor of the hobby space and capture teenybits as they fall and > try to bounce about. Exactly, the grid sets up a transdimensional force field negating the alien modelers attempts to snatch dropped brass parts. I was right all along ;-) sp ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2043 **********************