WWI Digest 2027 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Datafiles by "Matt Bittner" 2) Box fuselage with turtle deck by geoff-smith@cwcom.net 3) Re: Decals for 1/24 Revell fokker DVII by "Lance Krieg" 4) Re: Fok D.3, wing warp rigging by "Lance Krieg" 5) Thanks for the incite:) by Marlon Schultz 6) Re: Decals for 1/24 Revell fokker DVII by ERIC HIGHT 7) RE: Spooning WAS: A new model added by "dfernet0" 8) Re: Decals for 1/24 Revell fokker DVII by ERIC HIGHT 9) SV: Decals for 1/24 Revell fokker DVII by "Morten Henriksen Dalan" 10) Flying Machine Books. by "Len Smith" 11) The Happy Return. by "Len Smith" 12) RE: Spooning WAS: A new model added by "Peter Leonard" 13) Pfalz D.IIIa question by Albatrosdv@aol.com 14) EMAIL ADDRESS CHANGE by "Bob Pearson" 15) Re: Decals for 1/24 Revell fokker DVII by "DAVID BURKE" 16) Re: Decals for 1/24 Revell fokker DVII by "DAVID BURKE" 17) Re: Datafiles by "DAVID BURKE" 18) Re: Spam Message & some OT by "DAVID BURKE" 19) Re: Pfalz D.IIIa question by "DAVID BURKE" 20) What the f.kker? by "Peter Leonard" 21) Re: Pfalz D.IIIa question by Albatrosdv@aol.com 22) Re: Pfalz D.IIIa question by "Matt Bittner" 23) Re: Datafiles by "Ray Boorman" 24) Re: Datafiles by "cameron rile" 25) RE: Pfalz D.IIIa question by Shane Weier 26) RE: Decals for 1/24 Revell fokker DVII by Shane Weier 27) Re: Pfalz D.IIIa question by "Bob Pearson" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 08:22:09 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Datafiles Message-ID: <199912141415.IAA26221@itd.sterling.com> On Tue, 14 Dec 1999 08:39:16 -0500 (EST), GRBroman@aol.com wrote: > Bittnerville is actually an exact reproduction of Omaha scaled down to > 1/72. It must have taken eons to rig the telephone poles :). Not when you're smarter than what you're working with! ;-) Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 14:45:31 -0000 From: geoff-smith@cwcom.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Box fuselage with turtle deck Message-ID: <0c89c3144140ec9DIAL3@cwcom.net> > > >A Halb DII will be my first scratchbuilt effort (in the sublime 1/72 > >scale), hopefully in the next millenium. This guy used the method as St. > >Harry did his in his book, but as Mr. Woodman wrote, it can be done in > >the "folded box" method. I just can't figure how the gently curved > >turtledeck and cowlings can be shaped this way. > > I guess St Harry used the folded box for the flat sides only. > I've seen a template for a Bristol M.1C fuselage (I think) which included the turtle decking (I think). Possibly in an old Scale Models? I'll see if I can dredge this out of the piles. Unless someone else knows. Either way, the drawing of it's the thing, getting angles and arcs correct. In my case it would be quicker to file a solid metal block to size. :-) Regards, Geoff ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 09:11:55 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Decals for 1/24 Revell fokker DVII Message-ID: Brad writes: "In no way affiliated with CSM. Just a satisfied customer." I'm a satisfied customer, too, and I just got my 1/28 lozenge yesterday. I've got my doubts about the colors, but am prepared to acknowledge that the jury is still out on the four colors. I like CSM 5-color lozenge a lot better, tho. What I am NOT in doubt about is the orientation of the fabric on the fuselage, which shows clearly in all photos where it can be discerned, and here CSM is off by 90 degrees. The fabric was stretched along the length of the fuselage, a single piece for each side sewed together at the longerons. This means that the points of the lozenges are "up". I don't bring this up to bitch, for I believe that the decals can be salvaged by piecing the bolts back together to create the correct orientation, and in any case, many of the fuselages will end up covered with a particular jasta's paint scheme. But, Eric, if you're going to do the five color, too, please take not of the foregoing. Hoping not to be taken for a kill-joy, Lance ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 09:34:39 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Fok D.3, wing warp rigging Message-ID: Joey wants to know: "I'm not to clear on how the wing warping rigging goes on, though...Where do the ends of these lines anchor? How about the rest of the wing warping rigging?" So here goes, tho it is far from obvious and there are no clear drawings in my possession. The Albatros book on early Fokker fighters has a number of good fotos. >From the cabane-mounted pulleys, wires go to the base of both rear struts, the wire to the outboard strut passing through a gap in the center of the inboard strut. These are reciprocated by wires from the top of each rear strut through an opening in the fuselage above the lower wing, and thence to the bottom of the control column. The only cross bracing, in the form of landing and flying wires, is on the forward struts in the conventional "X" shape. Does this help? Or make you want to build the aileron-equipped version? HTH, Lance ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 09:45:07 -0600 From: Marlon Schultz To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Thanks for the incite:) Message-ID: Concerning Du Doch Nicht! thanks for the opinions, especially Joey Valenciano for the info I didn't know as in what Udet said about his aircraft. I didn't have access to his autobiography or info on his Jasta 11 Fok.D.VII's and post-war aircraft. Personally I have thought about the Jasta 4 markings, Licorice and white top wing with red fuselage and tail. Other questions: 1) where do I find these archives where Du Doch Nicht! was discussed before ? 1) I understand Fok. Dr.1 521/17 came from JG. 1 (later to Jasta 34b) what Jasta of JG.1 ? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 09:39:29 -0700 From: ERIC HIGHT To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Decals for 1/24 Revell fokker DVII Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19991214093929.006d94a0@pop.amug.org> dicta ira brad, thanks for your support. it is greatly appreciated. eric At 05:55 AM 12/14/99 -0500, you wrote: >And don't forget if you're a list member and you include the words "Dicta >Ira" in your order, Eric will give you an additional 10% off until the end >of the month. I just put in an order for the lozenge as well as a set of >1/28 guns, cockpit detail and OAW cowls for this kit. Between the regular >sale price and the "Dicta Ira" bonus this is a good deal. > >Brad >In no way affiliated with CSM. Just a satisfied customer. > >-----Original Message----- >From: David Vosburgh >To: Multiple recipients of list >Date: Monday, December 13, 1999 11:13 PM >Subject: RE: Decals for 1/24 Revell fokker DVII > > >>Hi All >> >>The Copper State upper & lower 4-color lozenge decals have been up on >Eric's site for >>several days, check them out at >http://www.amug.org/~copperst/details_28.html >> >>These are really pretty, really big sheets. There's a *lot* of lozenge >here --- enough to >>cover the entire a/c with plenty left over for rib tapes. Printing on the >sheets he sent >>me is spot-on... perfect register. >> >>All best, >> >>DV >> >> >> >> >> > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 13:49:03 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Spooning WAS: A new model added Message-ID: <004401bf4653$211de360$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Peter: > Use the edge of the spoon, not the curved part. You mean the tip of the spoon or the side of it? Gee I got to try this! Geoff: > Either way, the drawing of it's the thing, getting angles and arcs correct. I tought that developing the compound curves of the turtledeck in a series of arched shapes (as the parts of a baloon) would work, and even would define the longeron locations. But calculating the exact curves were too much for my lazy mood. And in 1/72! > it would be quicker to file a solid metal block to size. Allow me a little disgression. When I was in high school, there was a workshop that made us file a rough chunk of metal to achieve a little hammer head, wich has to have calibrated dimensions and mirrorlike surfaces to be approved. Believe me, I spent a lot of awful hours filing and filing that darn hammer and doing it was such a pain that I don't crushed the teacher's head with it because I was afraid to spoil its finish. At least it trained me in patience... D. Serenity now! Serenity now! AAArGH! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 10:34:16 -0700 From: ERIC HIGHT To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Decals for 1/24 Revell fokker DVII Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19991214103416.006d40d8@pop.amug.org> lance, i hate to disagree with you but i am going to anyway. now i could be all wet but my interpitation of the drawings in the d.vii anthology(pg. 63) show the loz going at angles(top to bottom) across the fuselage. i put them straight up and down to make lining up the top pieces easier. this is why they are as they are. if they were on an angle then the points would be up as you stated. the colors were derived from several sources including some fabric i was able to view. i also had some constructive critism of the darkness of my 5 color. if they were overcoated in the common "brown" dope then the darkness would be correct. since it is easier to darken it as opposed to making it lighter i chose on this set to go a "little" lighter on the top loz. since it is fairly simple task to darken it up. as with all colors in this field of modeling it is basicly dicta ira. i welcome your comments lance as well as anyone elses. and YES YOU ARE A PAIN but that's what i like about you!!!!! i appreciate all the input. my best answer is to look at the web page and decide for yourselves, since this is what it all boils down to. charles hart is doing a head to head comparison in the next pcmodeler of csm vs ag. this should be very interesting. well enough i will slink back to lurk mode. thanks again for your comments. regards eric ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 18:48:37 +0100 From: "Morten Henriksen Dalan" To: Subject: SV: Decals for 1/24 Revell fokker DVII Message-ID: <006a01bf465b$738186e0$f1494382@kurs5> ----- Original Message ----- From: ERIC HIGHT To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 1999 6:44 PM Subject: Re: Decals for 1/24 Revell fokker DVII > my best answer is to look at the web page and decide for > yourselves, since this is what it all boils down to. charles hart is doing > a head to head comparison in the next pcmodeler of csm vs ag. this should > be very interesting. well enough i will slink back to lurk mode. thanks > again for your comments. > regards > eric > how about give us a samle on your internet site so, I can se the colors of your lozenge. I am quite sure I am going to order, but I have to be sure. Morten ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 16:28:47 -0000 From: "Len Smith" To: Subject: Flying Machine Books. Message-ID: <000101bf465d$4561bf80$1e4f08c3@mesh> If anyone is interested Midland Counties Publications (midlandbooks@compuserve.com) are selling the French and Russian books at £29.95 each, and High in the Empty Blue at £ 19.99 Regards Len. lensmith@clara.net http://home.clara.net/lensmith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 16:22:45 -0000 From: "Len Smith" To: Subject: The Happy Return. Message-ID: <000001bf465d$44caafa0$1e4f08c3@mesh> Greetings, On 29th.November last I suffered a major meltdown of my computer. Thankfully I am now back in contact with the real world, and I have managed to catch up with your ramblings via the Digest. However, if anyone has sent me an off-list message during this period would you please re-post as the original has vanished down the plug hole. Regards Len. lensmith@clara.net http://home.clara.net/lensmith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 18:20:02 GMT From: "Peter Leonard" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Spooning WAS: A new model added Message-ID: <19991214182003.9952.qmail@hotmail.com> Either, depending on the curve. Don't get TOO exited. It works, but it has limited application. Someone has mentioned an article on the MIC. If I recall that was a Morane N, but I have used this technique for a Bristol. Peter ----Original Message Follows---- From: "dfernet0" Reply-To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: Spooning WAS: A new model added Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 11:56:24 -0500 (EST) Peter: > Use the edge of the spoon, not the curved part. You mean the tip of the spoon or the side of it? Gee I got to try this! Geoff: > Either way, the drawing of it's the thing, getting angles and arcs correct. I tought that developing the compound curves of the turtledeck in a series of arched shapes (as the parts of a baloon) would work, and even would define the longeron locations. But calculating the exact curves were too much for my lazy mood. And in 1/72! > it would be quicker to file a solid metal block to size. Allow me a little disgression. When I was in high school, there was a workshop that made us file a rough chunk of metal to achieve a little hammer head, wich has to have calibrated dimensions and mirrorlike surfaces to be approved. Believe me, I spent a lot of awful hours filing and filing that darn hammer and doing it was such a pain that I don't crushed the teacher's head with it because I was afraid to spoil its finish. At least it trained me in patience... D. Serenity now! Serenity now! AAArGH! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 14:18:59 EST From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Pfalz D.IIIa question Message-ID: <0.cd36c1e1.2587f223@aol.com> So, I am sitting here with my Eduard Pfalz D.III primed and waiting for that to dry, and I am thinking to myself that - cool as the markings are they provide in the kit - they're now going to be "done to death," and I can't stannit to be part of the crowd. So, I look at the big markings sheet that came with the old Glencoe kit, and there is this neat marking of "The Man In The Moon" that goes to a Jasta 18 red/blue machine, and I am trying to remember (unsuccessfully) whether that was a D.III or a D.IIIa, and who flew it. Can anyone fill me in on that, particularly whether it's appropriate markings for a D.IIIa????? Also, was the underwing silbergrau or light blue? I've seen both on Jasta 18 airplanes and wondered which was right. You can answer me off-list on this one - unless of course you think everyone else needs to know, too. TIA Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 11:18:08 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: ww1 mailing list , Subject: EMAIL ADDRESS CHANGE Message-ID: <199912141918.LAA13224@mail.rapidnet.net> Greetings all, As of 4pm Monday, 13 December I have received no email from anywhere .. it would appear as though kaien.com has finally disappeared (a year before it was scheduled to do so) .. therefore my email address is now bpearson@rapidnet.net Regards, Bob Pearson Visit my WW1 Aviation page http://members.xoom.com/Sopwith_5F1 For the CBR/RNP Profile page visit http://members.xoom.com/profileart/ Managing Editor / Internet Modeler http://www.internetmodeler.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 13:12:15 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Decals for 1/24 Revell fokker DVII Message-ID: <005601bf4669$5a168940$b985aec7@dora9sprynet.com> Hi Morten, Allow me to add to Diego's post. The kit lozenge is indeed only provided for the upper surfaces. Eric's lozenge is a good investment for the D.VII. As for Jasta markings, I don't know. As to the corrections on the kit, they aren't difficult, apparently, just time-consuming. Enjoy! DB -----Original Message----- From: dfernet0 To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, December 14, 1999 4:26 AM Subject: RE: Decals for 1/24 Revell fokker DVII >Morten >I haven't seen the lozenge by myself, but since I heard that the colours >were quite different from the real thing and the kit provides lozenge only >for a part of the model (when in fact it should cover the entire aircraft) >getting a new set of lozenge decals is a wise investment. >I can't remember right now wich colours were used in jasta 18, but is likely >that a good amount of lozenged surface will show. Check in the list archives >for a lenghty thread about this topic, some months ago, about lozenge >application in Fokkers DVIIs. >And sorry if I complicate your plans, but have you considered the >not-so-slight-corrections to the outline of this kit? I've read several >articles dealing with this. >regards >D. > > >-11---- Original Message ----- >From: Morten Henriksen Dalan >To: Multiple recipients of list >Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 1999 5:54 AM >Subject: re: Decals for 1/24 Revell fokker DVII > > >> I have an aditinal question. OK My set is not a 1/24, but 1/28 sorry. >> >> In this kit from Revell it has an losenege inkludet, but is the color >correct for jasta 18? >> >> I am now on my office, so I can not go and look for whats included, but I >am not sure that the losenge is correct, am I wrong or not? >> >> >> Morten Henriksen Dalan >> mhdalan@online.no >> tlf 31280207, m. 90792291onli >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: David Vosburgh >> To: Multiple recipients of list >> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 1999 5:13 AM >> Subject: RE: Decals for 1/24 Revell fokker DVII >> >> >> > Hi All >> > >> > The Copper State upper & lower 4-color lozenge decals have been up on >Eric's site for >> > several days, check them out at >http://www.amug.org/~copperst/details_28.html >> > >> > These are really pretty, really big sheets. There's a *lot* of lozenge >here --- enough to >> > cover the entire a/c with plenty left over for rib tapes. Printing on >the sheets he sent >> > me is spot-on... perfect register. >> > >> > All best, >> > >> > DV >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 13:20:44 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Decals for 1/24 Revell fokker DVII Message-ID: <005701bf4669$5b0926a0$b985aec7@dora9sprynet.com> As I have also seen the lozenge in question, I will chime in here. The main problem that I had was that either the dark green was too dark, or the other colors were too light. Now, I'm gonna check the Methuen colors (as me and Comrade E. did), but if you look at pics of D.VII's, those dark green lozenges are VERY dark, appearing nearly black in some pics. As a matter of fact, the rest of the pattern is nearly invisible. I was not aware of the 'brown dope', but I can see where that would even things out. As to the angled vs. straight application on the fuselage, you also get that nice big chunk of spare loz on the sheet, and I'm sure that it could be corrected if that's what your poison is. I'm just grateful that a manufacturer gives a tinker's damn about us, is part of this merry little group, and inspires me to do different stuff (that's why I bought the 1/28 D.VII and Dr.1). Dicta Pesci: F'geddaboudit! DB -----Original Message----- From: ERIC HIGHT To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, December 14, 1999 11:41 AM Subject: Re: Decals for 1/24 Revell fokker DVII >lance, >i hate to disagree with you but i am going to anyway. now i could be all >wet but my interpitation of the drawings in the d.vii anthology(pg. 63) >show the loz going at angles(top to bottom) across the fuselage. i put >them straight up and down to make lining up the top pieces easier. this is >why they are as they are. if they were on an angle then the points would >be up as you stated. the colors were derived from several sources >including some fabric i was able to view. i also had some constructive >critism of the darkness of my 5 color. if they were overcoated in the >common "brown" dope then the darkness would be correct. since it is easier >to darken it as opposed to making it lighter i chose on this set to go a >"little" lighter on the top loz. since it is fairly simple task to darken >it up. as with all colors in this field of modeling it is basicly dicta >ira. i welcome your comments lance as well as anyone elses. and YES YOU >ARE A PAIN but that's what i like about you!!!!! i appreciate all the >input. my best answer is to look at the web page and decide for >yourselves, since this is what it all boils down to. charles hart is doing >a head to head comparison in the next pcmodeler of csm vs ag. this should >be very interesting. well enough i will slink back to lurk mode. thanks >again for your comments. >regards >eric > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 13:25:13 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Datafiles Message-ID: <005801bf4669$5bf422e0$b985aec7@dora9sprynet.com> I've read where Roll Models fills their orders in a reasonable time. This has not been my experience. The times that I ordered from them, it was always slow coming, and calling didn't help as they don't seem to answer their phone, and they didn't empty their answering machine messages. That was a few years ago - they may have tightened up since then, but I wouldn't know - I haven't used them since. Like I said, Hannant's Runway gets them to you quick, and they have gone out of their way to take care of me. A+++ customer service. You get what you pay for! DB -----Original Message----- From: Joey Valenciano To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, December 14, 1999 2:03 AM Subject: Datafiles >Hi all, > >I've canvased and Roll Models STILL offers the lowest prices. >But, how are they in filling orders? How's their service? >Before they absorbed Battle Hobbies, John Roll himself used to reply to my >queries but the last time I emailed a query, I got no response. > >Does R.Rimel have an email address? Ordering direct is best, yes? > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 13:27:11 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Spam Message & some OT Message-ID: <005901bf4669$5cce5640$b985aec7@dora9sprynet.com> Horrido!! DB -----Original Message----- From: Peter Leonard To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, December 14, 1999 4:49 AM Subject: Re: Spam Message & some OT >I'm doing pretty well refering spammers to their account provider. So far >this week I got two struck off Yahoo. I know they'll be back, >but it feels like I struck a blow. > >Peter > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 13:29:57 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Pfalz D.IIIa question Message-ID: <006401bf4669$9d093540$b985aec7@dora9sprynet.com> Which markings are provided in the kit Tom? DB -----Original Message----- From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, December 14, 1999 1:22 PM Subject: Pfalz D.IIIa question >So, I am sitting here with my Eduard Pfalz D.III primed and waiting for that >to dry, and I am thinking to myself that - cool as the markings are they >provide in the kit - they're now going to be "done to death," and I can't >stannit to be part of the crowd. > >So, I look at the big markings sheet that came with the old Glencoe kit, and >there is this neat marking of "The Man In The Moon" that goes to a Jasta 18 >red/blue machine, and I am trying to remember (unsuccessfully) whether that >was a D.III or a D.IIIa, and who flew it. > >Can anyone fill me in on that, particularly whether it's appropriate markings >for a D.IIIa????? > >Also, was the underwing silbergrau or light blue? I've seen both on Jasta 18 >airplanes and wondered which was right. > >You can answer me off-list on this one - unless of course you think everyone >else needs to know, too. > >TIA > >Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 20:02:19 GMT From: "Peter Leonard" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: What the f.kker? Message-ID: <19991214200219.67684.qmail@hotmail.com> I don't know if we have any serious collectors on the sreangth, but somone who stumbled across my web site sent me some pix of a model Dr1 he would like identified. This thing is OOOLLLDDD. It predates plastic and is probably from the 20's.I have posted the pix at http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com/fokkerdr-1.JPG http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com/fokkerdr-12.JPG for anyone who thinks they might be able to help Appologies to Bob Pearson and a couple of others who I know can't get into my sites. Someone did suggest clearing cache might help but I'm sure you have better things to do Peter Leonard IPMS UK Lancashire & Cheshire Branch http://www.storks.cwc.net http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com PeterL@cwcom.net ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:03:45 EST From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Pfalz D.IIIa question Message-ID: <0.b671dde9.2587fca1@aol.com> In a message dated 99-12-14 14:38:10 EST, you write: << Which markings are provided in the kit Tom? >> Von Holtzen's with the black stripes and the shooting star in black and white, and the one with orange diamonds on the fuselage and tail surfaces. Tom ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 13:19:58 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Cc: "Albatrosdv@aol.com" Subject: Re: Pfalz D.IIIa question Message-ID: <199912141913.NAA16123@itd.sterling.com> On Tue, 14 Dec 1999 14:23:51 -0500 (EST), Albatrosdv@aol.com wrote: > So, I am sitting here with my Eduard Pfalz D.III primed and waiting for that > to dry, and I am thinking to myself that - cool as the markings are they > provide in the kit - they're now going to be "done to death," and I can't > stannit to be part of the crowd. Makes sense. That's how I feel. > So, I look at the big markings sheet that came with the old Glencoe kit, and > there is this neat marking of "The Man In The Moon" that goes to a Jasta 18 > red/blue machine, and I am trying to remember (unsuccessfully) whether that > was a D.III or a D.IIIa, and who flew it. Sorry, that's Von Buttlar's D.III. I modeled it using the Meikraft kit, which can be found on Al's site. > Can anyone fill me in on that, particularly whether it's appropriate markings > for a D.IIIa????? As I said above...D.III. > Also, was the underwing silbergrau or light blue? I've seen both on Jasta 18 > airplanes and wondered which was right. Although I painted mine light blue, the current thinking is silbergrau. Which makes a lot of sense, if you think about it. > You can answer me off-list on this one - unless of course you think everyone > else needs to know, too. Nah, let everyone else see it, as well! BTW, are my messages coming through? Sprint has had a load of problems lately, and I haven't seen any of my messages appear yet. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 12:43:38 PST From: "Ray Boorman" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Datafiles Message-ID: <3856abfa.1f4c.0@telus.net> I can't comment on Roll models, but the least costly and best method at least for me is to buy from Albatros directly. They show up in a reasonable time and if you sucbscribe you get a deal on the new specials that come out. The address for Alabtros is on any datafile/or windsock. Its also on the website I beleive too. Ray Rimmel/Albatros doesnt appear to be in the computer world as yet thought, so snail mail is the only way to order. You can also order back-issues too. Ray Boorman ================================================================= Internet service provided by telus.net http://www.telus.net/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:49:10 -0500 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Datafiles Message-ID: >Like I said, Hannant's Runway gets them to you quick, and they have gone >out of their way to take care of me. A+++ customer service. Same here, I havent tried the other one mentioned, but each time I have ordered from www.hrunway.com, the bloke is nice and helpful on the phone, the order gets to my mailbox in Jersey from California within two to three days and it is always brilliantly wrapped in cardboard, padding and plastic. cam ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail and Homepage at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 07:28:52 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Pfalz D.IIIa question Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1AF9@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Tom, > So, I look at the big markings sheet that came with the old > Glencoe kit, and > there is this neat marking of "The Man In The Moon" that goes > to a Jasta 18 > red/blue machine, and I am trying to remember > (unsuccessfully) whether that > was a D.III or a D.IIIa, and who flew it. Von Buttlar IIRC. And I have a suspicion it's a D.III :-( > Also, was the underwing silbergrau or light blue? I've seen > both on Jasta 18 > airplanes and wondered which was right. You need the Americals decals, for the booklet if nothing else. Mine is at home, so if no-one else answers first I'll let you know what it says tomorrow. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 07:35:43 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Decals for 1/24 Revell fokker DVII Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1AFA@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Dave > I was not > aware of the 'brown dope', but I can see where that would > even things out. > I'm not aware of "brown" dope, and never heard of it before today. Acetate dope is (more or less) clear when applied. Yes, it does go brown, but it takes *years*, and I'd be astonished if any WW1 aircraft lasted long enough for it to matter. I can see where someone looking at preserved pieces of fabric could be confused though - the piece of 5 colour from the Canberra Alb D.Va which I have seen is dark brown on one side. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 13:44:28 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Pfalz D.IIIa question Message-ID: <199912142144.NAA18986@mail.rapidnet.net> Tom, Make it unique and use the old style crosses.... Holtzem's D.IIIa carried the same marking while wearing both eisernes and balkan kreuzen. I'm still waiting on my own D.IIIa and wonder does the kit include a star on the upper port wing? Research by GVW and myself leads us to believe it does . . the FMP Pfalz book will have both top and side views of these markings . . as well as another dozen or so D.III/IIIa profiles. Or for another D.IIIa go to an old issue of OTF and do it up with the hunting horn insignia on the JG.II colours (again, a profile option in the FMP book) Regards, Bob ---------- >From: Albatrosdv@aol.com >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: Pfalz D.IIIa question >Date: Tue, Dec 14, 1999, 12:10 PM > > In a message dated 99-12-14 14:38:10 EST, you write: > > << Which markings are provided in the kit Tom? >> > > Von Holtzen's with the black stripes and the shooting star in black and > white, and the one with orange diamonds on the fuselage and tail surfaces. > > Tom ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2027 **********************