WWI Digest 2002 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Correcting a kit by smperry@mindspring.com 2) Toss this thread arond by smperry@mindspring.com 3) RE: Toss this thread arond by "dfernet0" 4) Re: Toss this thread arond by "PETER LEONARD" 5) Re: Correcting a kit by Ernest Thomas 6) Re: Toss this thread arond by "Matt Bittner" 7) Re: Speaking of Nieuports by Dennis Ugulano 8) Re: Correcting a kit by "Michael Kendix" 9) Latest web update by "Matt Bittner" 10) Re: Correcting a kit by "Lance Krieg" 11) Re: Correcting a kit by John Huggins 12) Re: Correcting a kit by "Matt Bittner" 13) Re: Correcting a kit by "Lance Krieg" 14) Rivets..was Correcting a kit by "PETER LEONARD" 15) Re: Correcting a kit by "Ray Boorman" 16) Re: Parafilm by "Len Smith" 17) Re: Avro 504k by "Len Smith" 18) Re: Help by "Len Smith" 19) Re: Correcting a kit by Albatrosdv@aol.com 20) Re: Correcting a kit by Albatrosdv@aol.com 21) Re: Correcting a kit by Mike Fletcher 22) Re: Rivets..was Correcting a kit by "Lance Krieg" 23) Re: Toss this thread arond by KarrArt@aol.com 24) digicams wasRe: Speaking of Nieuports by KarrArt@aol.com 25) still Nieuports wasRe: Help by KarrArt@aol.com 26) Re: Scale Aircraft Drawing book wasRe: Siemens D3 by KarrArt@aol.com 27) Re: Correcting a kit by "David C. Fletcher" 28) Re: Help by Mike Fletcher 29) Re: Toss this thread arond by "DAVID BURKE" 30) Re: Toss this thread arond by "DAVID BURKE" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:17:50 -0500 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: Correcting a kit Message-ID: <002201bf3b24$8a55bf40$090356d1@default> Good points Alberto I agree with what Peter, Chris and Diego have already said. I guess in some respects, correcting a kit is to a modeler like scaling a mountian is to a rock climber . Like the mountian, the errors are there. I used to search for the most accurate kit of a subject, now that I've learned to butcher styrene, I search for the best refrences. IIt is fun to me to make a more realistic model than the kit would be if built straight out of the box. By realistic, I mean that it catches the essence of the subject. Correcting shapes, refining "chunkiness", adding details and applying an accurate finish are all aspects of making the model "realistic". Fun happens when you look at the finished model and something inside sez, "Yeah, looks just like...." Fun also happens when you slap the styrene dust off a wing panel on your leg and see no more huge ribs and a nice sharp trailing edge or when you admire a detail that will probably never be seen again before you glue the fuselage together. So dicta Ira applies to both the process and the product. What really isn't fun is to have all these wonderful, fun ideas of what to do and then setting the model aside for some reason and having forgotten half of them when you pick the model up again. So you end up finishing it just to finish it. Even nicely turned out, it's a half assed model and you know it. I try to round up the references, aftermarket items and paints needed before I begin a project and I usually work on only one model at a time till it's done. Once I get better than half way done and the model begins tp resemble an aircraft, I begin making lists of tasks to be done. It's an effort and takes self discipline to stick to a project and do it as envisioned, but the models are more pleasing and generally better when you do. I guess the essence of modeling is to take the vision in your head and make it so on your bench. When you catch the vision and put it in 3D then it is a successful project whether you did it soob, highly modified a kit or scratch built the whole dang thing. Dicta Ira Rulz! sp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:52:17 -0500 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: Toss this thread arond Message-ID: <004301bf3b29$5a6f3a40$090356d1@default> Add your definition to the list A.M.S. Stands for: Advanced Modeler's Syndrome Advanced Maschoist Syndrome Addled Modeler's Syndrome ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 08:55:32 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Toss this thread arond Message-ID: <01ed01bf3b29$ce452880$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Average Misfit Standards D. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 8:52 AM Subject: Toss this thread arond > Add your definition to the list > > A.M.S. Stands for: > > Advanced Modeler's Syndrome > Advanced Maschoist Syndrome > Addled Modeler's Syndrome > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 04:56:11 PST From: "PETER LEONARD" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Toss this thread arond Message-ID: <19991130125612.12356.qmail@hotmail.com> That would be the Anal Modellers Songbook, containing such classics as; "Bandai on the Run" "With a Little Help From My Plans" "Take Good Care of My Ebay" and the unforgettable ...... "Microsolo Mio" (this record is not available in the shops....phew!) Peter >From: smperry@mindspring.com >Reply-To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Toss this thread arond >Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:52:38 -0500 (EST) > >Add your definition to the list > >A.M.S. Stands for: > >Advanced Modeler's Syndrome >Advanced Maschoist Syndrome >Addled Modeler's Syndrome > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 07:07:21 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Correcting a kit Message-ID: <3843CC09.4CF194BF@bellsouth.net> I share Peter's view on this. In short, I'll only corrct the most glaring inaccuacies, or those that can be fixed with not too much bother like re-sahping a corner, or thinning a TE. For me, I get my kicks from the details. E. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 07:16:26 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Toss this thread arond Message-ID: <199911301310.HAA19699@itd.sterling.com> On Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:52:38 -0500 (EST), smperry@mindspring.com wrote: > Add your definition to the list > > A.M.S. Stands for: > > Advanced Modeler's Syndrome > Advanced Maschoist Syndrome > Addled Modeler's Syndrome Don't forget AAMS - first A being 'Anal'... :-) Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 09:06:54 -0500 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Speaking of Nieuports Message-ID: <199911300907_MC2-8F0F-51ED@compuserve.com> Richard, >> into the realm of Le Machine. Right Dennis? << See what happens when you associate with me? You turn into a model building machine and crank those babies out. sp, that is one beautiful model. Very nice job. And since everyone is showing off Nieuport 16's, I better get mine on line. Maybe I can have it done this weekend. I would like to show off my W-4 and Nieuport. Maybe I can finish the roll of film with the progress shots on # 100. # 100 is moving slow because I cut into my modelling time with some extra work. But I can still do it so I don't get smirked at by the un-named modeller. But I really must finish # 99. Digital camera update. Been looking at several models and I am presently leaning toward the Cannon Power Shot Pro 70. It's far more camera that I know anything about but that's how I do business. I buy over my head and grow into it. This camera looks like it will do everything I want it to do. The SONY Mavica series is beautiful and I haven't ruled them out. Some excellent features in that series. What has me leaning toward the Cannon is I can add a close up lens to enhance it Macro capabilities. I can get closer than 4.7 inches with additional lens. The lens on the camera has a threaded ring for this purpose. Again, sp, beautiful kit. Who says you can't build fast and good. You are living proof. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://members.xoom.com/Uggies/dju.htm Page Revised 9/12/99 "Every modeller will rise to his own level of masochism" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:39:12 PST From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Correcting a kit Message-ID: <19991130143912.60500.qmail@hotmail.com> E. writes... > >In short, I'll only corrct the most glaring inaccuacies, or those >that can >be fixed with not too much bother like re-shaping a corner, >or thinning a >TE. For me, I get my kicks from the details. This sums up my personal view although I'm not too good at the details yet but I like them. I will attempt to fix anything that my limited skill and time constraints allow. I've made new horizontal tail pieces, shortened and re-shaped wings, made cabane struts, tail skids; all of which are fairly modest accomplishments. I still am unable to mess with vertical tail pieces and fuselages, lengthen wings, scratchbuild propellers etc. I like to do one kit per month (although there have been notable shorter and longer builds) so I can take it to the monthly IPMS meetings and do the competition. This list, however, has been the primary source of information and skill enhancement for me. Only 14 months ago, I'd never used putty, and thought that "styrene" was that soft stuff that is used to make those throw-away cafeteria trays. Yes, I kept one of these trays and attempted to replace a strut with material cut from it (obviously it didn't work), until I realised what was meant. My ultimate goal is to attempt a scratchbuild but before that,I need to spend a while doing vacs. Michael ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 09:06:13 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Latest web update Message-ID: <199911301459.IAA25918@itd.sterling.com> Allan just finished uploading the changes to my French pages. Each aircraft entry - except for SPAD - now has a model gallery hanging off it. If anybody knows of ones I have missed, please LMK. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 09:49:51 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Correcting a kit Message-ID: Alberto declares, among other things, that: "I have always tried to correct every defect of each kit I was building." I'm sure we all agree that he succeeds admirably! I, too, try to correct every defect and include every detail, restraining myself only when I am convinced that I cannot get a scale representation (for instance, the rivets around the central opening of the Nieuport cowling). Like SP, I gather all the references before starting, and always finish a project before starting another. I also make "punch lists" of remaining tasks to avoid overlooking a step. I have been taken to task for being obsessive, and diagnosed as suffering from accute AMS. However, as I have always refrained from telling other modelers how they should proceed, and since I enjoy my own approach, I am comfortable that Ira would approve. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 09:54:51 -0600 From: John Huggins To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Correcting a kit Message-ID: >E. writes... >> >>In short, I'll only corrct the most glaring inaccuacies, or those >that can >>be fixed with not too much bother like re-shaping a corner, >or thinning a > >TE. For me, I get my kicks from the details. > FYI, I went through a period of time where I felt that no manufacturer was able to produce an accurate replica of any aircraft. Knowing that, and that to enter a contest and win, you had to super detail every part of the model that could be seen, open access panels to show off what was supposed to be behind them, etc. I soon learned that after about 2 years, I had a pile of models that would never be finished, I simply lost interest in the projects because they became mandatory WORK assignments and not a hobby. I also learned that in scale, you cannot put in every lever, knob, wire or tube. I also learned another important lesson. When finished, unless you put the model in a public viewing place (museum) only you and a few close friends and family members ever see the finished model. That only a very small percentage of the people who do see the model would know if you corrected, replaced or rebuilt any part of the kit. The number of people who will pick it up and look in the wheel wells, cockpit, or open access panels is even smaller (besides, how many of you will even let someone else pick up one of your models). The surprising thing is that the majority of these people who see the model don't even care that you did all the extra work or know what was replaced by you vs what came in the kit. Even in the contest area, the cockpits, wheel wells and open access panels only come into play to break ties. I have seen many models with completely scratched accurate interiors that did not place and an out of the box Airfix kit took first place. When looking at the models, you see that in many cases, the modeler who did such a wonderful job on the insides forgot to see the project through and left seams showing, had bad finishes or silvered decals. All of these things will cause a judge to look at another kit with out ever looking inside. I still do some extra detailing, but not to the extent that I have to correct every flaw in the kit. When I do this, it is because I want to, not have to. I look at the model and if it looks like the intended airplane it should replicate, then it gets built. I apply my talents to the exterior of the model. The parts a person standing three feet away would see. By the time you have 10, 20, 50 or over a hundred models in a display case or on shelves, it doesn't matter so much if all of the wings are 2mm short/long, have complete cockpits, and accurate wheels on them. You have to keep in mind that for the most part, the manufacturers have given up the best replica they can with the reference material and molding limitations they have access to. If we had all of the models as accurate as we wish, even the smallest most simple models would cost in excess of $100.00 and we probably would not enjoy it any more than what we have available today. This is a hobby for many of us, and not what puts the bread on the table, pays the bills, and puts the kids through college. Build the models you want replicas of, correct the major flaws (TE Thickness, wing tip shapes etc.) if really needed. Super detail the one or two really special kits, but enjoy the hobby. Don't turn it into a required work project with a final deadline. It will take the enjoyment out of the project. Soap box mode off, sorry about the long reply. It didn't start out that way. I guess I had to correct all the errors, add the missing parts and correct the final shape of the thing before it matched the plans in the 20 year old reference books. John ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 10:09:07 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Correcting a kit Message-ID: <199911301602.KAA00273@itd.sterling.com> On Tue, 30 Nov 1999 10:50:45 -0500 (EST), Lance Krieg wrote: > I'm sure we all agree that he succeeds admirably! Indeed! As you do as well, Lance. > I, too, try to correct every defect and include every detail, restraining myself only when I am convinced that I cannot get a scale representation (for instance, the rivets around the central opening of the Nieuport cowling). How do you replicate those? > Like SP, I gather all the references before starting, and always finish a project before starting another. I also make "punch lists" of remaining tasks to avoid overlooking a step. You actually finish one project at a time? I have no idea what you mean... > I have been taken to task for being obsessive, and diagnosed as suffering from accute AMS. However, as I have always refrained from telling other modelers how they should proceed, and since I enjoy my own approach, I am comfortable that Ira would approve. I don't think you mean "accute", but another word that begins with 'a', right? ;-) It all comes down to what - and how - you enjoy building models. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 10:30:34 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Correcting a kit Message-ID: Matt wonders (as do I) how to replicate the rivets around the central opening of the Nieuport cowling: My first thought was tiny droplets of white glue, but I see no way of keeping them in scale. I am also considering Archer's dry transfers, but am concerned about accurate spacing on the curved surface - maybe dry transfers onto a waterslide template? I could try to paint them on with a very small brush.... Or I could blow the whole thing off as too small to worry about in this scale. The jury is still out. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 08:56:44 PST From: "PETER LEONARD" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Rivets..was Correcting a kit Message-ID: <19991130165644.6861.qmail@hotmail.com> Lance muses..."I could try to paint them on with a very small brush...." How about a sharp pencil point through a pre-drilled stencil? Peter ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 09:06:56 PST From: "Ray Boorman" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Correcting a kit Message-ID: <38440430.715e.0@telus.net> John Huggins writes >FYI, I went through a period of time where I felt that no manufacturer was able to produce an accurate replica of any aircraft..... As the saying goes been there done that... I have stopped and started in this hobby many times. Usually because I got to the point where I was becoming so anal that what I wanted to produce was beyond the skills, time or money that I had. Therefore more and more models were getting started but not finished, and you eventually give up in frustration. Now I have made a rule that I am trying to keep too. Whatever I can obviously see and know how to fix I will if I have a reasonable expectation of finishing the modification. As to fully detailed cockpits and the like well I preffer to give the impression there is a cockpit or wheel wells etc. I am not going hog wild on this. Theres nothing worse imho than a model with every resin and etch addition in the cockpit and then the rest of the model finished in what looks like an afterthought. I guess what I mean is I try to build my models to an overall level, but without sweating the anal bits. Some models are a way of learning techniques too. Case in point I have had a Formaplane Halberstat on my desk for 3 months, its progressing at a snails pace and nearly has been dumped a few times, but I have never succesfully built a Vac before. Therefore my intent with this model is to learn and carry it through to completion. I know the fuselage is way undernourished and all wrong at the rear, but I probably wont fix any of that. Having said all that, my hat goes off to the people I regard as experts in this hobby, some of who'm are on this list. I don't know how you do it (must pay the elves more than I do I guess), but please keep on doing it because the rest of us learn and wonder from your efforts. Ray Boorman (hning the soap-box to the next contestant) ================================================================= Internet service provided by telus.net http://www.telus.net/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 08:16:53 -0000 From: "Len Smith" To: Subject: Re: Parafilm Message-ID: <000001bf3b5c$f2b5e460$1a847ed4@default> Welcome Nigel, Nice to have someone else on the list from the civilised end of the country! Many, many years ago I used to work for the KCC in Maidstone, and also lived just outside it for several years. Back to the Parafilm, try writing to John Adams himself at Aeroclub explaining what you need, he is a most helpful gentleman. Alternatively try some of the scientific supply houses. Regards Len. lensmith@clara.net http://home.clara.net/lensmith ----- Original Message ----- From: Nigel L Davies To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Monday, November 29, 1999 7:02 AM Subject: Re: Parafilm > Does anybody know of a source of "commercial amounts" of Parafilm in > the UK? > > Nigel Davies > Maidstone, Kent, UK > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 08:46:51 -0000 From: "Len Smith" To: Subject: Re: Avro 504k Message-ID: <000201bf3b5c$f56db160$1a847ed4@default> Welcome Paul, > > OT, have only been on list for a week. Most impressive. For what it's > worth, I'm a 41 year old Brummie who stopped modelling for 15 years, then > re-started when I moved to the Netherlands in 1992. I found this group via > a search engine while looking (unsuccessfully) for info about the Airco DH6 > (specifically, about the undercarriage details-the one photo I have is to > my untutored eye unclear). > If you are still looking for details of the DH6 and don't already have Windsock Volume 7 Number 4, let me have your postal address and I will do a photocopy for you. My scanner is on strike at the moment so this is the best I can offer. Regards Len. lensmith@clara.net http://home.clara.net/lensmith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 08:24:28 -0000 From: "Len Smith" To: Subject: Re: Help Message-ID: <000101bf3b5c$f4304f60$1a847ed4@default> Mike, Please don't post any more quotations (?) like the one below. I had to go and get some food, after that is I managed to stop laughing. Regards Len. lensmith@clara.net http://home.clara.net/lensmith ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Fletcher > Does the name Pavlov ring a bell? > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 13:22:16 EST From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Correcting a kit Message-ID: <0.b33a3984.25756fd8@aol.com> In a message dated 99-11-30 02:22:57 EST, you write: << So what is the aim of correcting a kit ? In my view it is the need to get an acceptable scale reproduction of the original, that is getting a model which can stand comparison with contemporary pictures of the original (of course, this does not involves shapes and dimensions only, but let's limit the discussion to this point for now, please). >> Given that we are constructing "representations" of reality, I think this is about as much as we can hope for. Since we are making models of real items that - at the time they were built - were known to have a short "shelf life" and to represent a technology that was bound to change, there was not that much need to retain records of things that were known to be headed toward uselessness; we are fortunate to have what plans and drawings can be found nowadays. Past that, I always have to laugh at the "particularlists" who will complain about the fabric effect on the Hasegawa Hurricane (sorry for the ot reference but this is a good example of what I mean), while swallowing whole without comment the "engraved panel lines" that - on the 1:1 original - would be small trenches if scaled up. My standard is: "does it resemble a __________?" As Tom Clancy's character John Clark has been known to say several times in the series, "Good enough is good enough, and perfect is generally a pain in the a - - ." Of course, modeling is supposed to be fun, and for the "CPAs of modeling" (and you know who you are), I suppose being exacting is fun, but it's mostly detracting to the rest of us. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 13:23:30 EST From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Correcting a kit Message-ID: <0.36e3b074.25757022@aol.com> In a message dated 99-11-30 03:27:34 EST, you write: << I guess the short answer is , dicta Ira applies. Peter L >> Peter has said it in his post much better than I did in mine. I agree completely here. Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 13:25:11 -0500 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Correcting a kit Message-ID: <38441687.AA3A272@home.com> > Matt wonders (as do I) how to replicate the rivets around the central opening of the Nieuport cowling: > how about a pen? dots of black ink should do the trick -- Mike Fletcher ___ ., mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; nieuport@home.com |--n--""*" http://members.home.net/nieuport/ icq=19554083 @ http://mars.ark.com/~mdf/nieuport.html "Vegetarian" -- Indian word for "lousy hunter." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 12:25:52 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Rivets..was Correcting a kit Message-ID: Yes, yes... a definite possibility! >>> "PETER LEONARD" 11/30 10:56 AM >>> Lance muses..."I could try to paint them on with a very small brush...." How about a sharp pencil point through a pre-drilled stencil? Peter ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 13:46:00 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Toss this thread arond Message-ID: <0.72b62b1d.25757568@aol.com> In a message dated 11/30/99 4:58:50 AM Pacific Standard Time, peter_leonard@hotmail.com writes: << That would be the Anal Modellers Songbook, containing such classics as; "Bandai on the Run" "With a Little Help From My Plans" "Take Good Care of My Ebay" and the unforgettable ...... "Microsolo Mio" (this record is not available in the shops....phew!) Peter >> does it include "Eduard the Mad Shirtgrinder"?....sorry....too obscure...... rk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 13:45:59 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: digicams wasRe: Speaking of Nieuports Message-ID: <0.9de8bf83.25757567@aol.com> In a message dated 11/30/99 6:10:59 AM Pacific Standard Time, Uggies@compuserve.com writes: << The SONY Mavica series is beautiful and I haven't ruled them out. >> We have an early Mavica- great camera except the resolution was low- 640x480 and even for web-work, this is still pretty low. The newer ones with better resolution should be miraculously fine. Even with this old version, you can focus on a dime from 1/8"- with no special lenses. I've done some experimenting with holding slides and negatives directly up against the lense and that works ok, and shows promise- I'd have to do a bit more fiddlin' though to get this aspect perfected.The one big draw back with the Mavica series is that since they do have all the mechanics necessary to screw around inside with the floppies, they are heavyioer than other cameras. A day spent lugging one of these around at an airshow and they'll seem like they weigh 100 pounds. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 13:46:02 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: still Nieuports wasRe: Help Message-ID: <0.f12fd69b.2575756a@aol.com> In a message dated 11/29/99 11:02:37 AM Pacific Standard Time, nieuport@home.com writes: << I searched through what I have (not much) though Aviation News (20 March - 2 April 87) had a profile of N.11 1256 with a stylized and superimposed RL on the fuselage side. (no idea what sources could have been used) >> There are at least two photographs of this particular Nieuport- one of each side! One was in an old Windsock, and I've seen the other in an old C&C USA. RK ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 13:46:04 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Scale Aircraft Drawing book wasRe: Siemens D3 Message-ID: <0.544aa01f.2575756c@aol.com> In a message dated 11/28/99 7:24:00 PM Pacific Standard Time, ethomas6@bellsouth.net writes: << > Tell me which WW I Aero # and I'll give a look tomorrow! Sorry, but I don't know what issue # it was from. E. >> Sherlock Karr is still on the case....now- where did I put my fiddle. RK ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 11:26:37 -0800 From: "David C. Fletcher" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Correcting a kit Message-ID: <384424ED.ADAB95C0@mars.ark.com> Albatrosdv@aol.com wrote: "As Tom Clancy's character John Clark has been known to say several times in the series, "Good enough is good enough, and perfect is generally a pain in the a - - ." Not being American, I can get away with Lenin's dictum - "Best is the enemy of good enough". I also apply another of his sayings "Experience is greater than theoretical knowledge". And since he came to power in 1917, that is OT... Dave Fletcher -- Visit us at our Home Page: ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 14:27:45 -0500 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Help Message-ID: <38442531.B17D17A2@home.com> Darn - I was even going to write a program so they were randomly added automatically from my quote file... What does food have to do with laughter? Sounds hmmm ... Pavlovian? Len Smith wrote: > > Mike, > Please don't post any more quotations (?) like the one below. I had to go > and get some food, after that is I managed to stop laughing. > Regards Len. > > > Does the name Pavlov ring a bell? -- Mike Fletcher ___ ., mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; nieuport@home.com |--n--""*" http://members.home.net/nieuport/ icq=19554083 @ http://mars.ark.com/~mdf/nieuport.html "Vegetarian" -- Indian word for "lousy hunter." nb: Fokker D.VII that has been in progress for 5 years nb: Nieuport 11 that has been going 3 months now ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 13:43:43 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Toss this thread arond Message-ID: <002501bf3b6b$37cd3cc0$7881aec7@dora9sprynet.com> Am Merely Schizophrenic Another Monogram Subject Ash, Mahogany and Spruce Another Mangled Strutter Another Miniature Sopwith DB (sorry) -----Original Message----- From: dfernet0 To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 6:01 AM Subject: RE: Toss this thread arond >Average Misfit Standards >D. >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: Multiple recipients of list >Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 8:52 AM >Subject: Toss this thread arond > > >> Add your definition to the list >> >> A.M.S. Stands for: >> >> Advanced Modeler's Syndrome >> Advanced Maschoist Syndrome >> Addled Modeler's Syndrome >> >> > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 13:48:16 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Toss this thread arond Message-ID: <006b01bf3b6b$db42f0c0$7881aec7@dora9sprynet.com> GOTH-a ROCK?? DB -----Original Message----- From: PETER LEONARD To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 6:59 AM Subject: Re: Toss this thread arond >That would be the Anal Modellers Songbook, containing such classics as; > >"Bandai on the Run" > >"With a Little Help From My Plans" > >"Take Good Care of My Ebay" > >and the unforgettable ...... "Microsolo Mio" > >(this record is not available in the shops....phew!) > > >Peter > >>From: smperry@mindspring.com >>Reply-To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >>To: Multiple recipients of list >>Subject: Toss this thread arond >>Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:52:38 -0500 (EST) >> >>Add your definition to the list >> >>A.M.S. Stands for: >> >>Advanced Modeler's Syndrome >>Advanced Maschoist Syndrome >>Addled Modeler's Syndrome >> >> > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2002 **********************