WWI Digest 1993 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: THE DEAFENING HUSH!!! by Ernest Thomas 2) Re: THE DEAFENING HUSH!!! by Brent & Tina Theobald 3) Re: lefties by "David C. Fletcher" 4) Re: THE DEAFENING HUSH!!! by "Ray Boorman" 5) Re: THE DEAFENING HUSH!!! by "PETER LEONARD" 6) Re: How did you reached the list? was: Modeler Ages by Albatrosdv@aol.com 7) Re: THE DEAFENING HUSH!!! by KarrArt@aol.com 8) Thanksgiving by "Bill Bacon" 9) Re: A Question of Ethics by Unicalce Amministrazione =?iso-8859-1?Q?Alm=E8?= 10) Re: Flashback Aviatik by Unicalce Amministrazione =?iso-8859-1?Q?Alm=E8?= 11) Re: Flashback Aviatik by Unicalce Amministrazione =?iso-8859-1?Q?Alm=E8?= 12) ANOTHER Nieuport Page by "PETER LEONARD" 13) RE: Modeling duhs, Now: was bubble a hoax by "dfernet0" 14) Re: lefties by "D Charles" 15) Re: 1:72 Throttle quadrants by smperry@mindspring.com 16) Re: Flashback Aviatik by Matt Bittner 17) Re: Flashback Aviatik by Matt Bittner 18) Re: Modeling duhs, Now: was bubble a hoax by "Ray Boorman" 19) RE: Modeling duhs, Now: was bubble a hoax by "dfernet0" 20) RE: Colors by "Phillip D. Anz-Meador" 21) Bittner entitled to an "I told you so" by smperry@mindspring.com 22) RE: OT USA Postage Stamp by "dfernet0" 23) Re: Bittner entitled to an "I told you so" by "PETER LEONARD" 24) Re: Bittner entitled to an "I told you so" by smperry@mindspring.com 25) Re: Bittner entitled to an "I told you so" by Matt Bittner 26) Re: Bittner entitled to an "I told you so" by "Bob Pearson" 27) General Nieuport Bebe Questions by smperry@mindspring.com 28) Re: Bittner entitled to an "I told you so" by "Jim Landon" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 23:38:36 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: THE DEAFENING HUSH!!! Message-ID: <383E1CDB.44A14AEF@bellsouth.net> Dale Beamish wrote: > Ernest > > Took time to run the pictures to the shop? > Or was it just getting away from the Mother - in - Law? I've been to the > photo shop myself you see! No, I had already made my escape from MiL's house. Off to bed for me. Work tomorrow. :( E. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 23:54:09 -0600 From: Brent & Tina Theobald To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: THE DEAFENING HUSH!!! Message-ID: <383E2081.335C379E@airmail.net> > No, I had already made my escape from MiL's house. Off to bed for me. Work > tomorrow. :( Ah ha! So the rule is true! No rest for the wicked! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 21:53:07 -0800 From: "David C. Fletcher" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: lefties Message-ID: <383E2043.73075358@mars.ark.com> Len Smith wrote: RK, "Maybe you should try Anything Left Handed Ltd., 57 Brewer Street, London, SW1 (011 44 171 437 3910 from the States)" Ever since we launched Leonardo da Vinci as a prototype, we lefties have been gradually taking over the world. Once upon a time, I flew on a 15-man Canadair Argus crew where the lefties outnumbered the righties. We all could do our jobs pretty well, but shooting a Lee-Enfield rifle during training was nasty. To bring this remotely to topic, in my experience, pilot's cockpits appear to be fairly ambidextrous; not so for the poor sods in the back. Morse keys are always put on the right, and so are navigation-equipment holders and a dozen other inconvenient things. It's a good job we have greater coping skills and can handle the discrimination. Dave F. -- Visit us at our Home Page: ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 21:52:38 -0800 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: Re: THE DEAFENING HUSH!!! Message-ID: <000e01bf37d2$72739320$ab1235d1@ismbc.com> Best solution to MiL's is to move to another country. Of course they still visit every few years but at least you get peace and quiet the rest of the time. Ray Boorman ----- Original Message ----- From: Ernest Thomas To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, November 25, 1999 9:38 PM Subject: Re: THE DEAFENING HUSH!!! > > > Dale Beamish wrote: > > > Ernest > > > > Took time to run the pictures to the shop? > > Or was it just getting away from the Mother - in - Law? I've been to the > > photo shop myself you see! > > No, I had already made my escape from MiL's house. Off to bed for me. Work > tomorrow. :( > E. > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 22:16:08 PST From: "PETER LEONARD" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: THE DEAFENING HUSH!!! Message-ID: <19991126061608.57421.qmail@hotmail.com> Ray...."Best solution to MiL's is to move to another country. " I can confirm, that's how it's done. Mine speaks not a word of English, thinks the sun shines out of my backside (which of course it does), and ,best of all, she lives four hours flight time away on a little island in the med. Peter NB. SSZ NU. Who Knows? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 01:43:11 EST From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: How did you reached the list? was: Modeler Ages Message-ID: <0.ca4d806e.256f85ff@aol.com> In a message dated 99-11-25 15:01:34 EST, you write: << Just ruminating on the List.......the day I went through this little pin-hole was the day I found an entire world- a Faberge egg full of delights. The world EXPANDED- a Big Bang of information and lunacy pouring out of this 15"eye. Without this list, there would be no 1/48HP 0/400 (although that might make a better case for revenge than thanks!) or any one of a number of other projects. WW I Aero, Windsock, OtFetc. are all great, but mute, and the list Speaks! RK >> I love the way an *artist* puts this in word - that was exactly my response. Thanks to all of you. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 01:46:59 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: THE DEAFENING HUSH!!! Message-ID: <0.d4d77e91.256f86e3@aol.com> In a message dated 11/25/99 10:18:07 PM Pacific Standard Time, peter_leonard@hotmail.com writes: << I can confirm, that's how it's done. Mine speaks not a word of English, thinks the sun shines out of my backside (which of course it does), and ,best of all, she lives four hours flight time away on a little island in the med. Peter >> mine speaks some English and lives 10 hours flight time, two hours layover time, two hours drive time away! (course I thinbk the sun shines out of her back side) rk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 00:51:50 -0600 From: "Bill Bacon" To: Subject: Thanksgiving Message-ID: <004f01bf37da$ba0744e0$4b3532cf@tcac.net> Having gorged myself on turkey, enjoying the Cowboy's win and receiving phone calls from our kids and grandkids, I look back on my life and think of the many things for which I am thankful. A relatively long and satisfying life punctuated by one major disquieting experience (got that one from a Brit friend many years ago), many semi-serious problems and countless minor problems, great independent children, wonderful grandchildren, a wonderful understanding wife and companion make up the major part. Very high on my tally sheet are this list and its members. Over the years I have enjoyed the friendship and repartee of the greatest group i the world. Some of you I have met face to face, others I will meet in time and others I will contact only through the list. May I say a very humble thanks to each of you. Cheers, Bill B. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 08:15:17 -0100 From: Unicalce Amministrazione =?iso-8859-1?Q?Alm=E8?= To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: A Question of Ethics Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19991126081517.007a9680@spm.it> At 15.00 25/11/99 -0500, you wrote: >In a message dated 11/24/99 4:58:09 AM Pacific Standard Time, calcegh2@spm.it >writes: > ><< Some of my articles were published in British or USA magazines (such as > Windsock, WW1 Aero, Over The Front and C&C International). > I submitted them without asking for (and getting) any payments. > My aim was simplt to share the output of my modest efforts with others, so, > as long as the articles or the pictures they contain are not used for > commercial purposes, I would certainly agree for them to be copied and used. > Thanks for raising the point. > Alberto Casirati. >> > >This good to know! Sometimes the RE-8 starts calling to me, and one day I >might have to answer, and when I do, I know who's material I'll be turning to! >Robert K. > Glad to know that somebody else in the world is interested in the R.E.8. It seems the undeserved publicity it received during the war years has succeeded in making most enthusiasts believing it was an ugly and bad machine. It definitely was not, as many crews demonstrated during the conflict. Also, looking at it at Duxford, I found it is aestetically appealling in certain respects. Should you need anything about the "Harry Tate", please do not hesitate to contact me: I will do my best to help. Thanks and very best wishes. Alberto Casirati. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 08:16:15 -0100 From: Unicalce Amministrazione =?iso-8859-1?Q?Alm=E8?= To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Flashback Aviatik Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19991126081615.007ada70@spm.it> At 12.51 25/11/99 -0500, you wrote: >In a message dated 99-11-25 10:12:21 EST, you write: > ><< We are left without any > decent SVA - 5 >> > >Not quite. the Spin resin kit - which costs about as much as an Eduard kit - >is available from Vamps. Candice Uhlir just did one - which will be up for >viewing soon - and it looks really good with the Americal "spring leaf" used >for the upper wing camo, and the fuselage in dark wood. It has the decals >for all five squadrons that flew it. It is an easy resin kit - no harder >than and Eduard injection kit. Highly recommended. > >Tom > Thanks ! Alberto Casirati. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 08:27:19 -0100 From: Unicalce Amministrazione =?iso-8859-1?Q?Alm=E8?= To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Flashback Aviatik Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19991126082719.00798890@spm.it> At 11.08 25/11/99 -0500, you wrote: >--- Unicalce Amministrazione Almè wrote: > >> I agree, but what about some Italian subjects ? We are left >> without any >> decent SVA - 5 or Pomilio PE (BTW, anyone wanting to sell his >> exemplar of >> the old Libramodels vacuum-formed kit ?), not to speak of Sia >> 7b or SAML >> S.2 ( although the Jostick vafcuum-formed kit was not bad at >> all). Also, >> think of French designs like the Nieuport Ni. 17 and the >> Hanriot Hd. 1. > >I also agree. The Italian subjects have long been neglected. >Granted, Pegasus had an SVA-5 and Hanriot HD.1, but we have had >no "major" manufacturer come out with either in 1/72nd. Wouldn't >it be nice if Eduard scaled-down their 1/48th scale jobs to the >Proper Scale? :-) All of 'em, and not just the D.V... > > >Matt Bittner >On Vacation Unfortunately, the SVA-5 and Hd.1 by Pegasus are far from good. The latter was one of their earlier products, while the former is far from accurate in almost all areas. Thanks to Tom, I am now aware of the Spin resin SVA-5 (available from Vamps) and look forward to receiving it. It would be great to see the Eduard Hd. 1 scaled-down to 1/72nd, especially if they will include decals for that lovely Italian starred exemplar ! The same goes for the Ni. 17, of course. But what about two-seaters, Toko ? All the best, Alberto Casirati. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 00:37:38 PST From: "PETER LEONARD" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: ANOTHER Nieuport Page Message-ID: <19991126083738.52454.qmail@hotmail.com> Not nearly so comprehensive as the one we all know and love, not to mention value, but then it's not supposed to be. Interesting none the less, check out http://website.lineone.net/~r.gaugall/ Peter L ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 06:34:26 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Modeling duhs, Now: was bubble a hoax Message-ID: <000501bf37f1$6ec03700$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> > As an aside, you Southern American types have a happy turkey day now, even if > you are a month late ;) > > Ray A Boorman > ????? D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 20:32:26 +1000 From: "D Charles" To: Subject: Re: lefties Message-ID: <01ba01bf37f9$c81580a0$fdb93ecb@Charls> Before lefties flock out to buy OT left handed modelling tools consider the following: Recently someone gave me a pair of left handed scissors- the real ones- but I found that after 40+ years of coping with right handed ones my strange grip wouldn't allow me to use these new lefties ones. The paper kept slipping out the side! Gauche David > have you ever been able to get your hands on real left handed scissors? >Until last year, all the ones I had were just righty scissors with left >handed grips, but the cutting edge was still on the wrong side- you couldn't >see where you were going without some tilting compensation. A few months ago >the wife had been out shopping and comes in with a pair of new scissors and >says "are these the real deal?". THEY WERE! For the first time I had scissors >that had the cutting crotch reversed! I could see where I was cutting! >RK > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 06:43:22 -0500 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: 1:72 Throttle quadrants Message-ID: <006e01bf3803$72350d40$170356d1@default> >> > BANG !!!! >> > >> > Sorry folks, I know it's hard to lose an old mate like >> this, but I just >> > *had* to put him outta his misery. >> > >> >> And I thought you liked him. He liked you. > >That's right. Make me feel bad about it. But sometimes, its just >kinder...... > >Shane ROTFL. D.VII has advocated this course of action for years. sp Who is feeling much better now with this new vent hole in my head. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 06:22:16 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Flashback Aviatik Message-ID: <19991126142216.29913.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> --- Unicalce Amministrazione Almè wrote: > Thanks ! Alberto, be aware TC is an evil person. The Spin SVA-5 is in Braille Scale, or 1/48th. :-) TC would have everyone build 1/48th... Matt Bittner On Vacation __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 06:26:37 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Flashback Aviatik Message-ID: <19991126142637.17351.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> --- Unicalce Amministrazione Almè wrote: Alberto is a man after my own heart. :-) > Unfortunately, the SVA-5 and Hd.1 by Pegasus are far from good. > The latter > was one of their earlier products, while the former is far from > accurate in > almost all areas. Thanks to Tom, I am now aware of the Spin > resin SVA-5 > (available from Vamps) and look forward to receiving it. It > would be great > to see the Eduard Hd. 1 scaled-down to 1/72nd, especially if > they will > include decals for that lovely Italian starred exemplar ! The > same goes for > the Ni. 17, of course. But what about two-seaters, Toko ? You must let us know how the Pegasus HD.1 is *not* accurate. What about the Joystick (or was it Formaplane?) vac? Yes, I do believe Eduard should scale everything down. Heck, they started in the Proper Scale, only to move to the Dark Side later on. I agree we need two-seaters, but with their track record, I hope either Toko does better research, or doesn't do them at all. Yes, the Strutters were decent enough - and accurate enough - but the rest aren't. I personally would like to see Eduard/Flashback do them. Maybe a little more expensive, but a lot more accurate... Matt Bittner On Vacation __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 06:38:10 -0800 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: Re: Modeling duhs, Now: was bubble a hoax Message-ID: <001e01bf381b$dd39fa20$ab1235d1@ismbc.com> Lol, sorry I was being cryptic. I live in BC Canada and as a few others will tell you on this list we have our thanksgiving (turkey and all) in Early October the 11th to be exact. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: dfernet0 To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Friday, November 26, 1999 1:36 AM Subject: RE: Modeling duhs, Now: was bubble a hoax > > As an aside, you Southern American types have a happy turkey day now, even > if > > you are a month late ;) > > > > Ray A Boorman > > > > > ????? > D. > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 12:20:39 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Modeling duhs, Now: was bubble a hoax Message-ID: <004601bf3821$cc495f20$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Ahhh! (pfffiuff!) D. living in the south of the south. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ray Boorman To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Friday, November 26, 1999 11:42 AM Subject: Re: Modeling duhs, Now: was bubble a hoax > Lol, sorry I was being cryptic. I live in BC Canada and as a few others will > tell you on this list we have our thanksgiving (turkey and all) in Early > October the 11th to be exact. > > Ray > ----- Original Message ----- > From: dfernet0 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Sent: Friday, November 26, 1999 1:36 AM > Subject: RE: Modeling duhs, Now: was bubble a hoax > > > > > As an aside, you Southern American types have a happy turkey day now, > even > > if > > > you are a month late ;) > > > > > > Ray A Boorman > > > > > > > > > ????? > > D. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 10:00:18 -0800 From: "Phillip D. Anz-Meador" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Colors Message-ID: <01BF37F5.0C430FE0.panz-meador@vsti.com> david: first of all, howdy from texas--long time since we've communicated. secondly, i'm (finally) about ready to cut the CD, and i was thinking that you were going to contribute some color recipes to it? if you'll send them over, i'll stick them on the CD... take care, phillip anz-meador -----Original Message----- From: David R.L. Laws [SMTP:laws@webtime.com.au] Sent: Sunday, August 30, 1998 10:48 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Colors Provoked by the recent thread on German Streaked finishes and the older one covering PC 10 and NIVO recipes the following occurred to me Would the worthy members of the List be interested to contributing to a dedicated thread ( to run over the next couple of weeks ) setting out their secret/ GEHEIM ! and incontestably accurate (!) colour recipes and finishes/ methods - under browser top bar " Subject " headings such as : Paint Color - CDL - TEXT : Mix Brand X No 34 30% with Brand X No 54 70% Paint Color - GER - loz - 4 col UPPER TEXT : Col A " Straw " - Mix etc ... Paint Color - Fr 5 colour TEXT : as above ... Paint Color - Brit - Nivo/ PC 10 Paint Color - GER - Streaked finish - TEXT : method+colors (a) Colors (b) Method of application This would place all the accumulated knowledge of those willing to contribute into a central resource and offer a " standardised " ( recognising that there will of course be individual preferences and thus variations ) starting point ( at the least ) to less experienced modellers Once done, Alan might be prepared to add this to the general references on the site page and make it a downloadable reference sheet - It'd make it so much easier than trawling through the Archives !!! If Alan doesn't object to our revisiting some older contributions ... Is there a consensus on this ?! REGARDS DAVID ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 12:05:26 -0500 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: Bittner entitled to an "I told you so" Message-ID: <009201bf3830$6ff0c920$170356d1@default> Ok Matt, you are absolutely right about how pretty French airplane color schemes are. I'm doing St. Armand de Turrene's Nie.11 and I'm just finishing the CDL top wing outlined with a black/brown stripe and rondels with proper French blue centers If you haven't done a model in some variation of the outlined French CDL, then do so, you're in for a treat. I doing the whole scheme in Liquitex artist's acrylic paint thinned with Future. So far the results are satisfactory. The paint is easier to mar than enamel and it is important to put it down in several light coats letting the first few dry well in between. It builds up to nice coverage with barely any loss of surface detail. It takes parafilm masking very well when dry. Color recipes. (all paint names from the Liquitex bottles $2.99 ea, 2oz at Michaels in the US) French CDL: Unbleached Titanium tinted with Yellow Orchre Dark Outline Stripe: Paynes Gray and Burnt Siena, (start about 60%G, 40%B and add brown or gray to taste) French Rondel Red: Cadmiun Red/Lacquer Red and Burnt Siena (start about 60%R, 40%B and add brown to match decals) French Blue: Neutral Gray and Cobalt blue. Start with gray and add blue to match decals. All paints were thinned to airbrush consistency (whole milk) with Future. Mist on and let dry. Don't worry about the first coat or two's tendency to bead. Let it dry and keep applying light coats. you will end up pleased if you don't try to put down too heavy of a coat. sp just whistling through my new vent hole ;-) .. E-mail smperry@mindspring.com Web Site http://smperry.home.mindspring.com/PWWIP.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 14:21:13 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: OT USA Postage Stamp Message-ID: <004501bf3832$a3ab5c60$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Neat! I have to have those! D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Ciciora To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Friday, November 26, 1999 2:17 AM Subject: OT USA Postage Stamp > I just found out about this recently; apparently it's been available since > July 30. Please excuse me if it's already been discussed, but I don't > remember it coming up nor did I see anything in the archives. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 09:27:51 PST From: "PETER LEONARD" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Bittner entitled to an "I told you so" Message-ID: <19991126172751.34223.qmail@hotmail.com> sp.."just whistling through my new vent hole ;-)." Just a couple more bars if you will. How are you doing the outlines? Is that where the Parafilm comes in? Peter L http://www.storks.cwc.net http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com PeterL@cwcom.net ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 12:35:45 -0500 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: Bittner entitled to an "I told you so" Message-ID: <009b01bf3834$ac3b8560$170356d1@default> Peter: Yes. I cover each side of the dry CDL painted wing with a piece of Parafilm. Smooth it down and work out any bubbles with the heat of your fingers. With both sides done, I trim the overhang to 1/8" and then use a flexible steel straight edge and sharp #11 blade to carefully cut the outline. When both sides are done completely around, I pull the trimmed overhang and both sides of the parafilm away from the edges and leave the center of the surfaces covered. Seal down any loose edges before spraying. hth sp > sp.."just whistling through my new vent hole ;-)." > >Just a couple more bars if you will. How are you doing the outlines? Is that >where the Parafilm comes in? > >Peter L >http://www.storks.cwc.net >http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com >PeterL@cwcom.net > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 10:02:21 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Bittner entitled to an "I told you so" Message-ID: <19991126180221.4108.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> --- smperry@mindspring.com wrote: Gee, my name in the subject line. I guess I'm someone now! ;-) > Ok Matt, you are absolutely right about how pretty French > airplane color > schemes are. See? Gads...you'll all come around. Granted, some are definitely s-l-o-w-e-r than others, but still... > I'm doing St. Armand de Turrene's Nie.11 and I'm just finishing > the CDL top > wing outlined with a black/brown stripe and rondels with proper > French blue > centers Of course you're modeling a very colorful example, so that always helps. > If you haven't done a model in some variation of the outlined > French CDL, > then do so, you're in for a treat. Actually, any of the outlined ones. I'm still working on Johnson's camo'ed Nie.16 outlined in blue, and that will look great when completely finished. > I doing the whole scheme in Liquitex artist's acrylic paint > thinned with > Future. So far the results are satisfactory. The paint is > easier to mar than > enamel and it is important to put it down in several light > coats letting the > first few dry well in between. It builds up to nice coverage > with barely any > loss of surface detail. It takes parafilm masking very well > when dry. There is at least one other on the list that uses Liquitex. Not to the extent he used to (he has seen the light of Polly Scale) but still... > Color recipes. (all paint names from the Liquitex bottles $2.99 > ea, 2oz at > Michaels in the US) > French CDL: Unbleached Titanium tinted with Yellow Orchre > Dark Outline Stripe: Paynes Gray and Burnt Siena, (start about > 60%G, 40%B > and add brown or gray to taste) > French Rondel Red: Cadmiun Red/Lacquer Red and Burnt Siena > (start about > 60%R, 40%B and add brown to match decals) > French Blue: Neutral Gray and Cobalt blue. Start with gray and > add blue to > match decals. I will have to add that to my French pages. That means we'll have Polly Scale and Liquitex matches for the colors. Acrylics uber alles! > All paints were thinned to airbrush consistency (whole milk) > with Future. > Mist on and let dry. Don't worry about the first coat or two's > tendency to > bead. Let it dry and keep applying light coats. you will end up > pleased if > you don't try to put down too heavy of a coat. Sounds like the way most Polly S used to work. One item to keep in mind with *any* acrylic: you must clean your model extensively. For me I clean before I work on it - when it's still on the sprue - and then after the whole thing is finished and ready for painting. > sp > just whistling through my new vent hole ;-) Sounds painful! :-) Matt Bittner On...oh, never mind... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 10:14:24 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Bittner entitled to an "I told you so" Message-ID: <199911261819.KAA19891@mail.rapidnet.net> > There is at least one other on the list that uses Liquitex. Not > to the extent he used to (he has seen the light of Polly Scale) > but still... And then there a few of us who use Ceramcoat .. same stuff, different brand name. All but two of my recent ships have been painted in this. Price is right, over 400 colours in the range. So far I have just used water to thin it, but suppose I should try future some day. Steve is correct that it looks like crap when you first start to spray, but many light dusting work wonders. Regards, Bob Pearson Visit my WW1 Aviation page http://members.xoom.com/Sopwith_5F1 For the CBR/RNP Profile page visit http://members.xoom.com/profileart/ Managing Editor / Internet Modeler http://www.internetmodeler.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 13:59:56 -0500 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: General Nieuport Bebe Questions Message-ID: <001001bf3840$70cb5760$2d0c56d1@default> What color the struts? I'd guess medium wood with fabric tapes from the few photos I have. Anyone know better? What color the little strut doobers on the bottom of the sesquiplanes? TIA sp E-mail smperry@mindspring.com Web Site http://smperry.home.mindspring.com/PWWIP.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 12:47:44 PST From: "Jim Landon" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Bittner entitled to an "I told you so" Message-ID: <19991126204744.6141.qmail@hotmail.com> I'm sorry, but what is "Parafilm"? Jim Landon The village idiot >From: smperry@mindspring.com >Reply-To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: Bittner entitled to an "I told you so" >Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 12:35:55 -0500 (EST) > >Peter: > >Yes. I cover each side of the dry CDL painted wing with a piece of >Parafilm. >Smooth it down and work out any bubbles with the heat of your fingers. With >both sides done, I trim the overhang to 1/8" and then use a flexible steel >straight edge and sharp #11 blade to carefully cut the outline. When both >sides are done completely around, I pull the trimmed overhang and both >sides >of the parafilm away from the edges and leave the center of the surfaces >covered. Seal down any loose edges before spraying. > >hth >sp > > > > sp.."just whistling through my new vent hole ;-)." > > > >Just a couple more bars if you will. How are you doing the outlines? Is >that > >where the Parafilm comes in? > > > >Peter L > >http://www.storks.cwc.net > >http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com > >PeterL@cwcom.net > > > >______________________________________________________ > >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1993 **********************