WWI Digest 1989 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: How did you reached the list? was: Modeler Ages by Albatrosdv@aol.com 2) Re: Blue Max and ot suggestion by KarrArt@aol.com 3) Re: Ilya bathrooms by KarrArt@aol.com 4) Re: Modeling duhs, was Age of Modelers by KarrArt@aol.com 5) Re: How did you reached the list? by KarrArt@aol.com 6) Re: Birthday greetings by KarrArt@aol.com 7) Re: Modeling duhs, was Age of Modelers by KarrArt@aol.com 8) Re: How did you reached the list? was: Modeler Ages by KarrArt@aol.com 9) Re: Modeler Ages - The Results by KarrArt@aol.com 10) Re: Modeling duhs, was Age of Modelers by KarrArt@aol.com 11) Re: Modeler Ages - The Results by Ernest Thomas 12) RE: Modeling duhs, was Age of Modelers by Shane Weier 13) RE: Modeler Ages - The Results by Shane Weier 14) Re: Modeler Ages - Thank God for Modeling! by Albatrosdv@aol.com 15) Re: Off-topic, but perhaps amusing by "David C. Fletcher" 16) Re: Modeler Ages - The Results by "PETER LEONARD" 17) Re: How did you reached the list? was: Modeler Ages by "D Charles" 18) Latest Windsock by "PETER LEONARD" 19) Re: Latest Windsock by "Bob Pearson" 20) Re: A Question of Ethics by Unicalce Amministrazione =?iso-8859-1?Q?Alm=E8?= 21) Happy Thanksgiving! by John Cyganowski 22) Re: WW1 aeroplane models rigging - the steel wire way by Unicalce Amministrazione =?iso-8859-1?Q?Alm=E8?= 23) Re: Happy Thanksgiving! by Ernest Thomas 24) Re: How did you reached the list? was: Modeler Ages by "Dale Beamish" 25) Re: Speaking of Canadians by GRBroman@aol.com 26) Re: Modeling duhs, was Age of Modelers by Brent & Tina Theobald 27) Re: Modeling duhs, was Age of Modelers by Matt Bittner 28) dihedral by "Dale Beamish" 29) Re: Modeling duhs, was Age of Modelers by "Michael Kendix" 30) Re: back on list / information on fokker d VI by "Lance Krieg" 31) RE: dihedral by Mark Shannon 32) Re: dihedral by "Lance Krieg" 33) RE: dihedral by "dfernet0" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 23:41:48 EST From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: How did you reached the list? was: Modeler Ages Message-ID: <0.834fd18d.256cc68c@aol.com> In a message dated 99-11-23 22:51:05 EST, you write: << Our wonderful friend in Austria gave me the info to get here. So thanks to Shane Weier >> You are a most mobile guy indeed, eh, Shane??? :-) Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 23:53:13 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Blue Max and ot suggestion Message-ID: <0.3720b80f.256cc939@aol.com> In a message dated 11/23/99 6:09:40 PM Pacific Standard Time, JohnGlaser@worldnet.att.net writes: << Aren't there other books in this series? I might need to go back to the used paperback store if there are. Anyone ever modeled the black D.VII with the unmentionable on the top wing? Now the ot part: For those list members inclined towards model railroading, check out the cover of the Small Parts catalog for 2000. Thought that RK had switched the dwarves over to locomotive production! - JG >> I forget if there's one or two more in the series. Whichever number, the story follows Bruno S. through his Nazi years into WW II. Haven't read it (or them as the case may be) but I leafed through a copy once some time ago that belonged to some one else. Hmm.... those might be my escaped dwarves....I'll have to look into this. RK ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 23:53:15 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Ilya bathrooms Message-ID: <0.2565c510.256cc93b@aol.com> In a message dated 11/23/99 10:50:08 AM Pacific Standard Time, mkendix@hotmail.com writes: << She figured out WW1 fighters don't have bathrooms. >> > > Don't let her see sp's new IM (a bomber, but still....)model- from the >looks >of it, it HAS to have one somewhere! >RK Robert: Funny you should mention that because, they did, in order to acomodate the long runs of which they were capable. Michael >> I don't know if "runs" is an appropriate word in this context! RK ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 23:53:17 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Modeling duhs, was Age of Modelers Message-ID: <0.b5094b10.256cc93d@aol.com> In a message dated 11/23/99 8:06:37 AM Pacific Standard Time, copperst@sd.amug.org writes: << at any rate they will make good referance fodder. ......... week. when i get back i will be able to get the belt pictures off. due to heir clinton's red tape i don't know when i'll have pictures of the gun, you will get them ASAP. thanks for letting me rant. have the best holiday and i'll talk at ya in week. check the killer job DV is doing on my web sight. eric >> Pictures- YEAH! And I must say, I think ol' DV has done a bang-up fine job on the CSM site! RK ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 23:53:18 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: How did you reached the list? Message-ID: <0.8b74cd66.256cc93e@aol.com> In a message dated 11/23/99 6:03:22 AM Pacific Standard Time, aew@pease1.sr.unh.edu writes: << > I read it in Windsock either '95 or '96. I don't remember. I made it into Windsock? In the immortal words of Steve Martin..... I'M SOMEBODY! I'M SOMEBODY! -Allan >> If I wasn't so lazy, I'd go look up which issues the List has mentioned in! I think I've seen it at least twice. But whether or not- YOU ARE SOMEBODY YOU ARE SOMEBODY! As always- THANKS for the List! RK ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 23:53:22 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Birthday greetings Message-ID: <0.e27a50f.256cc942@aol.com> In a message dated 11/23/99 2:58:43 AM Pacific Standard Time, dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar writes: << As Robert Karr said, there's no better wish. Happy birthday and many scale models to Robert and Tom! Cheers! D. >> blushing here... RK ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 23:53:22 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Modeling duhs, was Age of Modelers Message-ID: <0.69ea391.256cc942@aol.com> In a message dated 11/23/99 3:44:41 AM Pacific Standard Time, janah@worldnet.att.net writes: << Even worse: You have given up on ever finding that essential, but micrscopic piece of phototech. You resign yourself to scratching it out of plastic. You finish making your part after stabbed fingers, the occasional curse and much muttering. You pick up the part with tweezers to admire your handi-work and "Plink"! It too flies off to join its metal cousin in model part limbo. Cyg. >> Me PEparts have the truly annoying habit of turning up AFTER I don't need them anymore. This has happened several times- the classic "sploink snick" of the part rocketing from the tweezers, followed by resignation , then making the part from scratch and then finishing the model. Within two or three days, the part turns up, usually found with a sharp pain in the toe that finds it. RK ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 23:53:28 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: How did you reached the list? was: Modeler Ages Message-ID: <0.7c10ff90.256cc948@aol.com> I was building a figure of Harriet Quimby, and coincidently, we had just bought a computer and went on-line a week or two before. I didn't know beans about this internet stuff. I went to some search engine ( a strangley silly sounding term to me at the time)and I typed in "Quimby" and once I got through all the porno sites that entry brought up, I started seeing these aviation history sites- I clicked on one that was a list of aviation personalities, which listed Douglas Campbell- I followed that, which led to Nieuport which led to (fanfare!) The WW I Modelers Page! I didn't join the mailing list right away, but after going through the archives for a week, I jumped with all feet, and most toe nails. RK ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 23:53:14 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Modeler Ages - The Results Message-ID: <0.387b2810.256cc93a@aol.com> In a message dated 11/23/99 11:41:27 AM Pacific Standard Time, cfrieden@calpoly.edu writes: << I am studying aeronautical engineering, so I know lots of people my age who are interested in airplanes. Unfortunately, they seem to be more concerned with performance than anything else. Small wings and an afterburner and they are in love. It may be difficult, but I will see what I can do to spread the faith! -Chris Friedenbach (getting ready to go home to the Bay Area, where they have REAL hobby shops!) >> Thanks for your perspective! I guess I'm one of the rare ones who never completely gave up model building. After being thouroughly airplane crazy ( with emphasis on WW I but not exclusively)from maybe age 10 till I was around 16, I did find otyher things to do, but I kept my hand in the hobby with an airplane here and there. The large figure modeling that I do exploded from age 16 on when I started scratchbuilding rock musicians- an outgrowth of merely wanting some crew members for my large scale Guillow WW I builds. One particular week stands out as typical- I had a band gig to think about that weekend, and on the building table I had two 9" tall Eric Claptons, a Jerry Garcia, a Guillow Nieuport28 and a Monogram P-61 all going on at the same time.Doing almost 1000 figures taught me a few things about materials and scratchbuilding in general. No dramatic epiphany drove me back to airplanes- I just drifted back a project at a time (and I had kept up with what was going on 'cause I continued to read the model mags). I can't imagine the shock some folks must go through when they return to modeling after a long abscence considering all the changes in the last 10-20-30- years! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 00:07:10 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Modeling duhs, was Age of Modelers Message-ID: <0.14c97a14.256ccc7e@aol.com> In a message dated 11/23/99 8:35:11 PM Pacific Standard Time, sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes: << > E ain't no Jedi!! He'smore o' a Prop-eye! Improves his skills with spinnerage, Shane >> Prop-eye the struttin' man! RK ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 23:15:32 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Modeler Ages - The Results Message-ID: <383B7474.D888DC5C@bellsouth.net> KarrArt@aol.com wrote: > I guess I'm one of the rare ones who never completely gave up model building. There's at least one more of that type right here. Here's to us rare birds. (clink!) E. who'll be celebrating his 30th year of modelling next month. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:11:32 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Modeling duhs, was Age of Modelers Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1A30@mimhexch.mim.com.au> RK, >>> E ain't no Jedi!! He'smore o' a Prop-eye! > >> Improves his skills with spinnerage, > > >> Prop-eye the struttin' man! Girlfriend is Castor Oyl Shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:23:42 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Modeler Ages - The Results Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1A31@mimhexch.mim.com.au> RK says > > I guess I'm one of the rare ones who never completely gave > > up model building. > > There's at least one more of that type right here. Here's to > us rare birds. ...and I make three. Thirty-six years unbroken modelling, 33 as a WW1 fan (ever since my first Biggles). And I even had a life back in my teens :-( Shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 01:50:45 EST From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Modeler Ages - Thank God for Modeling! Message-ID: <0.a7c5f1a7.256ce4c5@aol.com> In a message dated 99-11-24 00:16:43 EST, you write: << There's at least one more of that type right here. Here's to us rare birds. (clink!) E. who'll be celebrating his 30th year of modelling next month. >> Mere child!! *I* had to slog through the snow for at least twelve miles one way to get to the new "hobby shop" that started in our neighborhood's "shopping district" when I was in first grade to purchase an incredible Strombecker kit (incredible because what was in the box actually looked like an airplane, roughly speaking). :-) (Auld Phartz rant mode "off") Outside of about five non-consecutive years when events beyond my control (like wars, etc.) had me in places where modeling wasn't possible, I too have been modeling without stopping - sometimes it was only one or two a year, but those years saw lots of time spent reading the mags available. Perhaps it limited my time with the girls as a teenager, but it was then and has been ever since a very good way of separating the female wheat from the chaff (the chaff being those who couldn't see it was a bit more than "playing with toys"). Not only that, but it has saved what little sanity I came equipped with. Having a job that involves *lots* of work for maybe three months of a given year (and can include multi-year periods of unemployment), it is a great "time-filler," for a creative/ compulsive personality, and far less damaging an addiction that the addictions that managed to kill more than a few people I have known here in Hollywierd "before their time." Thank God for modeling!! Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 22:58:29 -0800 From: "David C. Fletcher" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Off-topic, but perhaps amusing Message-ID: <383B8C95.FC710D53@mars.ark.com> smperry@mindspring.com wrote: "Not so as you'd especially notice it, least ways not in Florida during snowbird season." A subtle difference in spelling - those are mostly Canadiens, rather than Canadians - and they can be polite enough if you speak French! And regarding finding the list, it was reverse heredity - I found it on Mike's computer. And for those who had not noticed that I had gone, I'm back. Dave Fletcher -- Visit us at our Home Page: ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 01:55:39 PST From: "PETER LEONARD" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Modeler Ages - The Results Message-ID: <19991124095539.86394.qmail@hotmail.com> >>I guess I'm one of the rare ones who never completely gave up model >>building.<< Me too also. Twenty two years RAF service surrounded by those noisy flying blowtorches, but never lost my love for bi-planes. Deaf as a post though...pardon? Peter ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 20:24:15 +1000 From: "D Charles" To: Subject: Re: How did you reached the list? was: Modeler Ages Message-ID: <02a401bf3667$a6e32a60$177408d2@Charls> But at least you'll be able to keep your Sound of Music records:-) David (Another lefty having trouble with his modelling knife and signed up to the list by Shane. 4 weeks of teaching to go then it's dawn to dusk modelling.) >I think it rather nice to be thought "wonderful" but if I've moved to >Austria I shall have to sell my croc hunting knife,moleskins, Akubra, >Drizabone and RM Williams - and buy a squeezebox, little hat with feather >and lederhosen.... > >Shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 03:29:41 PST From: "PETER LEONARD" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Latest Windsock Message-ID: <19991124112941.61011.qmail@hotmail.com> Postie just brought me Datafile 78 the Caproni (down Shane) and the best Windsock for ages. Extra Caproni stuff (why DOES he do that?)plus lots of Albatros construction shots and heaps on the Phoenix D1. Oh! I nearly forgot, a few pages on Nieuports too. Peter Leonard IPMS UK Lancashire & Cheshire Branch http://www.storks.cwc.net http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com PeterL@cwcom.net ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 03:36:54 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Latest Windsock Message-ID: <199911241140.DAA26374@mail.rapidnet.net> Damn, now I really need to resubscribe Bob ---------- >From: "PETER LEONARD" >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Latest Windsock >Date: Wed, Nov 24, 1999, 3:30 AM > > Postie just brought me Datafile 78 the Caproni (down Shane) and the best > Windsock for ages. Extra Caproni stuff (why DOES he do that?)plus lots of > Albatros construction shots and heaps on the Phoenix D1. Oh! I nearly > forgot, a few pages on Nieuports too. > > > > Peter Leonard > IPMS UK > Lancashire & Cheshire Branch > http://www.storks.cwc.net > http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com > PeterL@cwcom.net > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 12:41:38 -0100 From: Unicalce Amministrazione =?iso-8859-1?Q?Alm=E8?= To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: A Question of Ethics Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19991124124138.007a4cc0@spm.it> At 16.29 23/11/99 -0500, you wrote: >One of the main attractions of this list is to receive project information that would have otherwise eluded the researcher/builder. >Not infrequently, the information sought is in the form of copywrite-protected photos and/or drawings photocopied from published materials. > >Is it ethical to supply these to individuals in pursuit of a project, as long as one doesn't post it to the entire group or generally broadcast it? If I copy the plans from a Datafile for someone besides myself, have I violated the spirit, if not the letter, of the copywrite protection? > >What do those of you with published material say? Does it bother you that people are enjoying the fruits of your labors without buying the original product? > I'm especially curious to know what publishers (like RLR, for instance), who have a financial stake in the sales volumes of these materials, think. > >Just looking for my moral compass, which launched itself from betwixt the jaws of tweezers... > >Lance Some of my articles were published in British or USA magazines (such as Windsock, WW1 Aero, Over The Front and C&C International). I submitted them without asking for (and getting) any payments. My aim was simplt to share the output of my modest efforts with others, so, as long as the articles or the pictures they contain are not used for commercial purposes, I would certainly agree for them to be copied and used. Thanks for raising the point. Alberto Casirati. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 06:57:42 -0500 From: John Cyganowski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Happy Thanksgiving! Message-ID: <383BD2B6.3162@worldnet.att.net> Please let me wish the American contingent of the list a very Happy Thanksgiving and Holiday Cheer to the rest of my colleags here. Best Regards As Always, John Cyganowski ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 12:41:44 -0100 From: Unicalce Amministrazione =?iso-8859-1?Q?Alm=E8?= To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: WW1 aeroplane models rigging - the steel wire way Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19991124124144.007a6400@spm.it> At 15.24 23/11/99 -0500, you wrote: >Matt and Alberto > >What thickness(es) steel wire should I order, both for 72 and 48? >I sent off a mail to small-parts to see if they ship to Norway. I'm sure >surgeons use steel wire in Norway too, but have no idea where they get it. > >Tom W > >---------- >> From: Matthew Bittner >> To: Multiple recipients of list >> Subject: Re: WW1 aeroplane models rigging - the steel wire way >> Date: 22. november 1999 19:00 >> >> Thanks for your method, Alberto. Mine is practically the same. >> I will definitely try the heating now. >> >> For .005" stainless steel surgical wire, check out Small Parts: >> http://www.small-parts.com/ >> >> >> Matt Bittner >> http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook >> http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm Dear Tom, Thank you for your request. My favourite scale is 1/72nd, so I cannot really comment on 1/48th scale, although I believe that 0.004" would be nice for the larger scale, too. All the best, Alberto. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 07:10:30 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Happy Thanksgiving! Message-ID: <383BE3C5.6124A559@bellsouth.net> John Cyganowski wrote: > Please let me wish the American contingent of the list a very Happy > Thanksgiving and Holiday Cheer to the rest of my colleags here. > Gobble gobble gobble... E. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 06:11:35 -0700 From: "Dale Beamish" To: Subject: Re: How did you reached the list? was: Modeler Ages Message-ID: <003f01bf367d$71af77c0$b12eb8a1@darcy> I must admit it was Shane's Swabians that brought me to the list. Lurked for awhile but that was the deciding picture. Now there would be a shot for the Roques Gallery .... Shane in lederhosen! Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: Shane Weier To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: 23 November, 1999 9:33 PM Subject: RE: How did you reached the list? was: Modeler Ages > Brent > > > Our wonderful > > friend in Austria gave me > > the info to get here. So thanks to Shane Weier! > > > > [many grins] > > I think it rather nice to be thought "wonderful" but if I've moved to > Austria I shall have to sell my croc hunting knife,moleskins, Akubra, > Drizabone and RM Williams - and buy a squeezebox, little hat with feather > and lederhosen.... > > Shane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 08:25:54 EST From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Speaking of Canadians Message-ID: <0.331b8b25.256d4162@aol.com> Okay, I know I'm going a wee bit off topic here, but I'll get back. In response to Tom's humourous post, I have a quick point to make. > 40. Black bacon and Kraft Dinner are two of your favourite food groups. Black bacon is bacon that's badly burned. My favorite diner is *Back Bacon* and Macaroni and Cheese. 3. You understand the phrase, "Could you please pass me a napkin, I just > spilled my poutine" Now, to get back on subject, any of you that show up for the Quad cities Show in Illinois this March and enter at least one OT model shall be treated to some authentic Poutine down at LB Burgies. Two kinds of cheese, eh. Stay late and catch the Hockey game. Glen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 09:30:03 -0600 From: Brent & Tina Theobald To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Modeling duhs, was Age of Modelers Message-ID: <383C047B.E1600A29@airmail.net> In my earlier days of modeling, before I was redeemed by aircraft with multiple wings I did make a large mistake. I even used rattle cans back then. I had two cans of Testers spray paint on the bench, dullcoat and aluminum metalizer. I put my Luft FW-19* down for a last coat of dullcoat. I grabbed the wrong can and sprayed it with silver. D'oh! To my credit I did go back and strip the thing and repaint it. Those stupid Luft schemes can take so long! Thankfully there are no tropical schemes in WWI modeling! Brent ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 07:35:35 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Modeling duhs, was Age of Modelers Message-ID: <19991124153535.14287.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> --- Brent & Tina Theobald wrote: > In my earlier days of modeling, before I was redeemed by > aircraft with multiple > wings I did make a large mistake. I even used rattle cans back > then. I had two > cans of Testers spray paint on the bench, dullcoat and aluminum > metalizer. I put > my Luft FW-19* down for a last coat of dullcoat. I grabbed the > wrong can and > sprayed it with silver. D'oh! To my credit I did go back and > strip the thing and > repaint it. Those stupid Luft schemes can take so long! > Thankfully there are no > tropical schemes in WWI modeling! Ah, but wait until someone figures out the colors for the "Bubble Scheme"... :-) Matt Bittner On Vacation __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 08:44:39 -0700 From: "Dale Beamish" To: "List" Subject: dihedral Message-ID: <009b01bf3693$13582760$b12eb8a1@darcy> What techniques do you gentlemen use for setting the different dihedrals on wings? Dale ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 08:02:25 PST From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Modeling duhs, was Age of Modelers Message-ID: <19991124160225.10336.qmail@hotmail.com> >From: Matt Bittner > > Thankfully there are no > > tropical schemes in WWI modeling! > >Ah, but wait until someone figures out the colors for the "Bubble >Scheme"... :-) > > >Matt Bittner >On Vacation > Matt: Sounds like a definite case for decals. I have no idea what a bubble scheme is BTW. On a different topic, the person responsible for introducing me to this was Mike DiCianna, from whom I (we) have heard little of late. I saw he was selling kits on Len Endy's page. I bought 4 Airfix kits for $12 and a Sopwith Schneider and Baby sometime in September 1999. Happy Thanksgiving to all. We're having my sister-in-law's family to stay; thus, we will have a 1, 2, 3, and a 5 year old - I only need a 4-year old for a straight, although I already have that beat with a "Full House"! Uh-oh, I forgot to hide the models before I left this morning. Michael ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 09:56:56 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: back on list / information on fokker d VI Message-ID: Hans-Juergen asks for help with the Fokker D.VI, which I will try to supply in the absence of other input from more learned colleagues: It would appear from my scant references that all 60 or so that were built were finished in lozenge, probably four color, and carrying either the transitional or final Balkankreuzen depending on their manufacture date. Metal panels were Fokker olive, and the axle "wing" and wheels were finished ala the triplane, with streaky olive/turquoise. The foregoing is compliments of Windsock 2/2 and Gray & Stairs Fokker Fighters booklet. There is a painting in the Blandford book that shows a D.VI in mauve/green, which, with all due respect to Sandy, seems highly suspect. D.VIs were supplied to Jasta 80b and Kests 4a and 4b, which together became Jasta 84w in late October, 1918. Pictures of machines in Jasta 80b appear to have some white stripes as personal/unit markings, but nothing very dramatic. As the planes were withdrawn from the front they populated the j'schulen, and so would be seen with large numbers on the fuselages. Congratulations on you son's arrival; you'll need to get him interested in modeling and so replenish our ranks. Let's hope he prefers 1/48, so we can see the results. HTH Lance ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 10:49:34 -0600 From: Mark Shannon To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: dihedral Message-ID: Dale Beamish wrote: >What techniques do you gentlemen use for setting the different >dihedrals on wings? >Dale I don't have to. My wings find whatever different dihedrals they want without my intervention. Oh, you mean deliberate, set angles....duh. I use jigs I make from "Lego" blocks I steal or confiscate from my kids. It doesn't damage the blocks. I can build a quickly adjustable, flexible jig to support the wings without bending or sagging. I can even use the small pieces of Legos to raise the leading edge for the right angle of attack. A little "arch" of the building blocks can be used to hold the fuselage steady and upright. For cases where the wings are lacking in joint strength (e.g., the lower wing to fuselage joints on most early Eduard kits) I borrow a tip from the vacuform builders and use a brass wire, tubing, or piano wire spar, drilling appropriate holes to replace the locating indents and short pegs. Even the razor thin lower wing of the Glencoe Albatros kit is amenable to this, using 0.010-0.015 piano wire. Believe me, once this is in place and at the correct angle, ain't nothing going to move those wings out of alignment without breaking them off completely. make sure the holes are fresh in the plastic, without any paint or smears on them, sand the wire gently with some 400 grit sandpaper to clean the surface and give a mild roughness, then a dab of "five minute" epoxy (or regular epoxy, if you can stand the wait) deep in the holes in the wings is all that's needed to give it more strength that the rest of the kit. If you are quick you might be able to use gap-filling CA, but the epoxy will give a better opportunity to true everything up before it sets. .Mark. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 10:10:16 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: dihedral Message-ID: Since I'm just killing time at work and Dale has asked the musical question: "What techniques do you gentlemen use for setting the different dihedrals on wings?" I measure the proper angle off the plans using a protractor, and determine the proper point along both sides of the wing to bolster with a pair of identical wedges. I secure the fuselage assemby firmly to a flat surface with tape, attach the wings ( I always drill for dowels to add a mechanical joint to the glued butt-joint for the wings). I then insert the wedges to prop up the wing tips to their required height, double check to ensure all is square and true, and then leave the damn thing alone for at least a day, resisting all temptations to pick it up and fly it until the glue has really, really dried. I also regularly use epoxy glue for this attachment, and not CA or plastic cement, as it is much stronger. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 14:17:12 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: dihedral Message-ID: <003a01bf369f$bfa62560$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Dale Besides the excellent advices already mentiones I have the "low cost/low tech" dihedral jig. I cut a suitable scrap piece of balsa wood or styrene foam or caked mud, to the correct hight. Then I split it in halves, one for each wing and then I place them under the tips of the wing pieces. Placing the center section of the upper wing or the bottom of a slab shaped fuselage over a set of drawings is easy, but in monocoque fuselages like those Albatros, you'll need extra support for the fuselage tail and maybe a little supporting block under the wing roots. For upper wings with no center section, I simplify the jig using a single tall block (twice the required height) under one wingtip and the opposite wing placed directly over the flat surface. HTH D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale Beamish To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 12:48 PM Subject: dihedral > What techniques do you gentlemen use for setting the different dihedrals on > wings? > > Dale > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1989 **********************