WWI Digest 1987 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: How did you reached the list? was: Modeler Ages by Unicalce Amministrazione =?iso-8859-1?Q?Alm=E8?= 2) Re: Modeling duhs, was Age of Modelers by smperry@mindspring.com 3) Re: WW1 aeroplane models rigging - the steel wire way by Unicalce Amministrazione =?iso-8859-1?Q?Alm=E8?= 4) Re: Modeling duhs, was Age of Modelers by "PETER LEONARD" 5) Web site addition, was RE: DONE by "Matthew Bittner" 6) Re: How did you reached the list? by "Matthew Bittner" 7) Re: Web site addition, was RE: DONE by "Allan Wright" 8) Re: How did you reached the list? by "Allan Wright" 9) back on list / information on fokker d VI by hans.juergen.glueck@gis-online.de 10) Re: DONE by pedro 11) Re: DONE by "PETER LEONARD" 12) Il'ya compliments by John Cyganowski 13) Break SP's Fingers! by John Cyganowski 14) Re: Modeling duhs, was Age of Modelers by ERIC HIGHT 15) Re: Il'ya compliments by smperry@mindspring.com 16) Seeking Help: Spad 12 by Matthew Zivich 17) Re:The right to arm Bears. was Modeling duhs by "PETER LEONARD" 18) Re: Il'ya compliments by John Huggins 19) How did you reached the list? was: Modeler Ages by cfrieden@calpoly.edu 20) Re: Seeking Help: Spad 12 by "PETER LEONARD" 21) Re: Modeler Ages - The Results by "Michael Kendix" 22) Ilya bathrooms by "Michael Kendix" 23) Re: How did you reached the list? was: Modeler Ages by Sharon Henderson 24) Re: Modeler Ages - The Results by cfrieden@calpoly.edu 25) Re: 0/400 -Help, Now I'm Panicking! by "Steven Schofield" 26) Re: How did you reached the list? was: Modeler Ages by "Steven Schofield" 27) Re: Il'ya compliments by "Steven Schofield" 28) Re: WW1 aeroplane models rigging - the steel wire way by "Tom Werner Hansen" 29) Re: How did you reached the list? by Suvoroff@aol.com 30) Re: How did you reached the list? by "Bob Pearson" 31) RE: How did you reached the list? was: Modeler Ages by Shane Weier 32) RE: Modeling duhs, was Age of Modelers by Shane Weier 33) RE: How did you reached the list? was: Modeler Ages by Shane Weier 34) A Question of Ethics by "Lance Krieg" 35) Vamps by "Harris, Mack" 36) RE: A Question of Ethics by Shane Weier ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 12:46:55 -0100 From: Unicalce Amministrazione =?iso-8859-1?Q?Alm=E8?= To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: How did you reached the list? was: Modeler Ages Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19991123124655.0079d780@spm.it> At 06.07 23/11/99 -0500, dfernet0 wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: >> Hello all, >> I will admit to being the youngin in the group >-snip- >> Perhaps we can focus on getting >> more converts from the existing modeling community by increasing publicity >in >> the hobby magazines. >> -Chris Friedenbach >> >Well said, Chris. Since there are more and better WW1 models avialable I >think that the publicity of these product will be increased in the future. >This lead to another question, that is how did you knew about this list or >Allan's site? >I read back in 1996 a FSM article called "Modelling in the internet" that >had the WW1 site URL. Since then, I visited the site from time to time, but >I suscribed just a year ago, after reading a myriad of ancient posts from >the archives. I'm very glad that I joined, I learned a lot of things and >found a wonderful bunch of crazy people, just the kind that is very rare >here in the deep south. >Regards >D. Hello all, I must be one of the newer members, as I joined in just a few days ago. As for the "how did you reach the list" topic, I must say it was merely by looking for site dealing with WW1 aeroplanes. Thanks to Allan, and to all of you, our site must be one of the best in the world, as it is so lively and enjoyable ! Also, it is so inspiring, as seing all those marvellous pictures of completed models makes you wanting to do a better job on your current and future projects. Alberto Casirati. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 07:07:03 -0500 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: Modeling duhs, was Age of Modelers Message-ID: <001301bf35ab$41a3d940$f70156d1@default> > >Ha! >that's because you are a Jedi. But what about us? :-0 >D. Darth Thomas sez I am not yet a Jedi and as for making parts, do the math. You loose a part and the gods of styrene penalize you so much time. Spend it cussing & fussing or spend it scratching a new part. It's your penalty, the rules say you can spend the time as you will, but you will spend it.;-) sp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 13:01:44 -0100 From: Unicalce Amministrazione =?iso-8859-1?Q?Alm=E8?= To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: WW1 aeroplane models rigging - the steel wire way Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19991123130144.007a0b00@spm.it> Thanks ! - Alberto ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 04:53:30 PST From: "PETER LEONARD" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Modeling duhs, was Age of Modelers Message-ID: <19991123125330.19753.qmail@hotmail.com> SP..."If I loose, break or just mess up a scratched part, I can always make another and probably better part." Which is exactly what is meant by the phrase... "Zen and the Art of Plastic Modelling" Peter L ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 07:43:03 -0600 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Web site addition, was RE: DONE Message-ID: <199911231344.FAA27859@crow.a001.sprintmail.com> On Tue, 23 Nov 1999 05:37:01 -0500 (EST), dfernet0 wrote: > > Why wait. > > http://smperry.home.mindspring.com/gallery.htm Al, have you added sp's link yet? Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 07:44:01 -0600 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: How did you reached the list? Message-ID: <199911231345.FAA28425@crow.a001.sprintmail.com> On Tue, 23 Nov 1999 06:07:37 -0500 (EST), dfernet0 wrote: > This lead to another question, that is how did you knew about this list or > Allan's site? I read it in Windsock either '95 or '96. I don't remember. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 08:59:24 -0500 From: "Allan Wright" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Web site addition, was RE: DONE Message-ID: <9911230859.ZM21089@pease1.sr.unh.edu> On Nov 23, 8:44am, Matthew Bittner wrote: > Subject: Web site addition, was RE: DONE > On Tue, 23 Nov 1999 05:37:01 -0500 (EST), dfernet0 wrote: > > > > Why wait. > > > http://smperry.home.mindspring.com/gallery.htm > > Al, have you added sp's link yet? Have now, thanks. -Al ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 09:00:32 -0500 From: "Allan Wright" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: How did you reached the list? Message-ID: <9911230900.ZM21104@pease1.sr.unh.edu> On Nov 23, 8:47am, Matthew Bittner wrote: > Subject: Re: How did you reached the list? > On Tue, 23 Nov 1999 06:07:37 -0500 (EST), dfernet0 wrote: > > > This lead to another question, that is how did you knew about this list or > > Allan's site? > > I read it in Windsock either '95 or '96. I don't remember. I made it into Windsock? In the immortal words of Steve Martin..... I'M SOMEBODY! I'M SOMEBODY! -Allan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 15:37:47 +0100 From: hans.juergen.glueck@gis-online.de To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: back on list / information on fokker d VI Message-ID: hello list, after i have been unsubscribed for a couple of months due to much work and birth of my son. Now i am back again on the workingtable an just finished my revell fokker dr.1 (of course in 1/72) yesterday. my next new project will be the aeroclub fokker d vi . Despite having a reasonable plan which is within the measurements, i just have one dark picture in Thetford & Gray . But i have nothing about colors and markings. So can someone please help me here. tia hans - juergen glueck nb: fokker e3 and an off topic seven-oh-thingie jetairliner (just as contrast to the tiny dr1) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 14:57:49 +0000 From: pedro To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: DONE Message-ID: <383AAB6D.AE4DF49B@mail.telepac.pt> smperry@mindspring.com wrote: > >I'll join the chorus "PHOTOS!"......by Decemberty if possible. > >RK > > Why wait. > > http://smperry.home.mindspring.com/gallery.htm > > sp Absolutely stunning. Great Job Steve. Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 07:30:51 PST From: "PETER LEONARD" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: DONE Message-ID: <19991123153051.9420.qmail@hotmail.com> http://smperry.home.mindspring.com/gallery.htm Choke! Gulp! Gasp! Gurgle.......Thud!! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 10:33:27 -0500 From: John Cyganowski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Il'ya compliments Message-ID: <383AB3C7.7B37@worldnet.att.net> Steve, Somehow when I saw your 4 little 1/72 Argus engines with their belts and pulleys and wiring harnesses, I told myself to "prepare". Well even so I was not truly prepared. Beautiful work. However, call me biased, but my heart belongs to your other one. Regards, Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 10:35:35 -0500 From: John Cyganowski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Break SP's Fingers! Message-ID: <383AB447.2504@worldnet.att.net> Yet another Perry maestropiece: http://smperry.home.mindspring.com/PWWIP.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 08:59:00 -0700 From: ERIC HIGHT To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Modeling duhs, was Age of Modelers Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19991123085900.0074b374@pop.amug.org> sp & peter very well put. now on a completely different note. i have aquired a new OT toy and will place pictures to allan for all of your referances. it is a 08/15 gwf lmg(working of course and in the "proper" scale!?). i also managed to pick up 3 250 round belts for it. now these were sold to me as unissued originals. i believe them to be buy to each his own opion. i also found out that the vickers uses the same belts so they might be of british origin. at any rate they will make good referance fodder. i am leaving for a week to go to the wilds of nc(and freeze my butt off)for a week. when i get back i will be able to get the belt pictures off. due to heir clinton's red tape i don't know when i'll have pictures of the gun, you will get them ASAP. thanks for letting me rant. have the best holiday and i'll talk at ya in week. check the killer job DV is doing on my web sight. eric ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 12:14:23 -0500 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: Il'ya compliments Message-ID: <003c01bf35d6$3125d660$d40456d1@default> > >However, call me biased, but my heart belongs to your other one. > >Regards, >Cyg. Thanks John. I don't blame you. I spent more time cleaning up the Il'ya parts than I did building the "other one" and I assure you the "other one" was more fun too. (it's Argus really was big enough for plug wires) sp Who is blown away and otherwise overwhelmed by the response to my Il'ya. Thanks to all who took the time to comment on it. My ears are raw from trying to squeeze my swolen head through doors....but I ain't complainin' ;-) NB: Toko Nie.11 NU: Airfix HO scale WWI Tank ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 12:56:04 -0500 From: Matthew Zivich To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Seeking Help: Spad 12 Message-ID: <383AD534.FEBD5D3C@svsu.edu> Dear List Members: I understand that Windsock Vol. 04 No 03 may have information on the Spad 12. Does anyone have access to this issue, and would there be 3 view drawings in it in 1/48 scale? Any help would be appreciated. Matthew Zivich ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 09:58:56 PST From: "PETER LEONARD" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re:The right to arm Bears. was Modeling duhs Message-ID: <19991123175856.3314.qmail@hotmail.com> Eric's off on a hunting trip armed with a Spandau! Them bar's got two hopes; no hope and Bob Hope :) Peter ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 12:09:00 -0600 From: John Huggins To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Il'ya compliments Message-ID: After seeing this, I guess it is time to put away all the tools and just wander off into the distance. The first comments were "Holly S___", then came "Look at all that beautiful wood", then "If I could only ___" In short, FANTASTIC Some day, I hope to be able to achieve something half as nice and I will be happy. Congrats! John PS, Any chance we may be able to see it in July at the Nationals in Dallas? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 10:16:44 -0800 From: cfrieden@calpoly.edu Subject: How did you reached the list? was: Modeler Ages Message-ID: I found out about the World War I site through a very simple yet effective form of publicity- word of mouth. All it took was one look through the gallery and I decided to subscribe. So far this list has been enjoyable (and helpful!) -Chris Friedenbach ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 10:17:54 PST From: "PETER LEONARD" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Seeking Help: Spad 12 Message-ID: <19991123181755.94280.qmail@hotmail.com> There is such a drawing, and it also appears in The Best of Windsock vol 2. I have access to the latter, though not immediately. Let me know if no-one comes up trumps. With a SPAD XII kit promised from Pegasus maybe RR will be persuaded to put out a mini-datafile. We haven't seen one of those for a while. Peter Leonard http://www.storks.cwc.net http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com >From: Matthew Zivich >Reply-To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Seeking Help: Spad 12 >Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 12:57:14 -0500 (EST) > >Dear List Members: > > I understand that Windsock Vol. 04 No 03 may have information on the >Spad 12. Does anyone have access to this issue, and would there be 3 >view drawings in it in 1/48 scale? Any help would be appreciated. > >Matthew Zivich > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 10:42:08 PST From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Modeler Ages - The Results Message-ID: <19991123184208.27799.qmail@hotmail.com> >From: cfrieden@calpoly.edu >Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 18:59:48 -0500 (EST) > > Ages - > > Under 20 - 1 >> > > > > Allright- I want to know how you got interersted in WW I stuff! How do >we get > > more folks your age into these things? > > RK > >Hello all, > >I will admit to being the youngin in the group. I had to think about this >one >for a while. I got interested due to a wide variety of factors, everything >from books "cleaned" from my grandfather's shelves by my grandmother to >playing >Red Baron flight sim. I have been building models for many years, but had >never gotten really serious about building a WWI subject until recently. > >As for others, getting more people my age interested would probably be very >difficult. I know people who might be interested in building a WWI plane, >but >at this stage in their life they have other things that they would rather >spend >their money on. I am a bit of a special case in that I don't go to every >movie >that comes out and I rarely buy video games or CDs. It is definitely >important >to get more people interested in WWI modeling. Perhaps we can focus on >getting >more converts from the existing modeling community by increasing publicity >in >the hobby magazines. > Chris: As you suggest, you might be a special case. I think that a number of folks came to this hobby following a break during their lurid teenage/early 20's. This was my experience, in which I did a fair amount of models until I was about 14 and then did virtually nothing until about 14 months ago (I'm 41). It may be the case that the hobby does not appeal to many 15 to 30 year olds, by its very nature; namely, there's not much in the way of "Sex, drugs and Rock 'n' Roll" or "Acid, booze and ass" - depending on your tastes and proclivities. Naturally, I'm delighted that you share my/our interests, and if that makes you different etc. then that's fine too. Michael ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 10:48:51 PST From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Ilya bathrooms Message-ID: <19991123184851.27136.qmail@hotmail.com> >From: KarrArt@aol.com ><< She figured out WW1 fighters don't have bathrooms. >> > > Don't let her see sp's new IM (a bomber, but still....)model- from the >looks >of it, it HAS to have one somewhere! >RK Robert: Funny you should mention that because, they did, in order to acomodate the long runs of which they were capable. Michael ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 14:15:25 -0500 (EST) From: Sharon Henderson To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: How did you reached the list? was: Modeler Ages Message-ID: I cannot tell a lie -- Bob Pearson did it. :-) He told me, and sent me instructions for subscribing. And I'm glad he did! Hugs all around, and a happy upcoming Turkey Day to the Amis on the list. Do the rest of y'all get a holiday soon too? Sharon, Fairfax, Virginia CSA > Allan's site?> > > I found out about the World War I site through a very simple yet effective form > of publicity- word of mouth. All it took was one look through the gallery and > I decided to subscribe. So far this list has been enjoyable (and helpful!) > > -Chris Friedenbach > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 11:39:18 -0800 From: cfrieden@calpoly.edu Subject: Re: Modeler Ages - The Results Message-ID: > As you suggest, you might be a special case. I think that a number of folks > came to this hobby following a break during their lurid teenage/early 20's. > This was my experience, in which I did a fair amount of models until I was > about 14 and then did virtually nothing until about 14 months ago (I'm 41). > It may be the case that the hobby does not appeal to many 15 to 30 year > olds, by its very nature; namely, there's not much in the way of "Sex, drugs > and Rock 'n' Roll" > or "Acid, booze and ass" - depending on your tastes and proclivities. > Naturally, I'm delighted that you share my/our interests, and if that makes > you different etc. then that's fine too. > > Michael > I think that you hit the nail on the head. This may explain why the ages in the survey were distributed the way they were. None of my friends build models right now, as they are spending much of their free time running around doing other things. While I will often join them, I try to moderate my activities. Some people who live in my hall have told me that they would might like to build models someday, but they just can't find the time right now. Perhaps there is hope for them in the future. :-) I am studying aeronautical engineering, so I know lots of people my age who are interested in airplanes. Unfortunately, they seem to be more concerned with performance than anything else. Small wings and an afterburner and they are in love. It may be difficult, but I will see what I can do to spread the faith! -Chris Friedenbach (getting ready to go home to the Bay Area, where they have REAL hobby shops!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 19:29:36 -0000 From: "Steven Schofield" To: Subject: Re: 0/400 -Help, Now I'm Panicking! Message-ID: <003b01bf35eb$292a7be0$a4aa93c3@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Cox To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Monday, November 22, 1999 10:00 PM Subject: Re: 0/400 wasRe: Web Site(s) Update(s) > Scho, > The same pic is in 'Handley Page Bombers of the First World War'. There > is another pic which shows this lighter band, though you can only see the > 'B' and the roundel. Since both show the band lining up with the stitching > of a fabric panel I would guess that this panel has been replaced at some > time and finished with a 'home-brew' mix of the standard colour. I can't > find any pictures of other HPs which show that sort of banding. > > FWIW I looked up a/c D5429 in 'Royal Naval Aircraft Serial & Units > 1911-1919' by Sturtivant & Page. This is listed as being coded 'Z' in Sept > 1918 and 'L' by Nov 1918. D4563 is listed as coded 'B1' in Aug 1918 > regards > Steve RIGHT! - Here goes. D5429 - 'B'-Flight, 207 Sqn. August 1918 is the target. Len Smith (Thanks Len) has just snail-mailed me Aviation News from 1981, which contains 1:72 drawings and info on the 0-400. Now, there's a plane from 207 Sqn., complete with 1650lb bomb in the black and white illustrations on colour scheme. This aircraft is from 'A'-Flight - coded 'A-1' as opposed to my 'B-1' and shows a colour band around the fuselage in just the same place as my chosen scheme. HOWEVER the notes say, and I quote: ' PC10 overall with DARKER shade on centre fuselage section.' Damn! - Can the old b/w film really screw up that badly? If so, the question remains - What colour should this band be? Is it a darker or lighter shade of PC10 or NIVO? Or something really interesting? Perhaps those night bombers carried fluorescent bands so the groundcrew could find them... Scho www.ww1.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 19:46:17 -0000 From: "Steven Schofield" To: Subject: Re: How did you reached the list? was: Modeler Ages Message-ID: <004301bf35eb$6909cd60$a4aa93c3@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: Sharon Henderson To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 1999 7:23 PM Subject: Re: How did you reached the list? was: Modeler Ages > I cannot tell a lie -- Bob Pearson did it. :-) > > He told me, and sent me instructions for subscribing. And I'm glad he did! > > Hugs all around, and a happy upcoming Turkey Day to the Amis on the > list. Do the rest of y'all get a holiday soon too? I wish... there's four weeks of teaching left before Christmas for me, and I'm dead on my feet. zzzzzzzzzzzz Scho www.ww1.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 19:49:55 -0000 From: "Steven Schofield" To: Subject: Re: Il'ya compliments Message-ID: <005d01bf35eb$eb664cc0$a4aa93c3@oemcomputer> Insane. I will reserve judgement as there may be another out there... Scho www.ww1.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 23:54:36 +0100 From: "Tom Werner Hansen" To: Subject: Re: WW1 aeroplane models rigging - the steel wire way Message-ID: <199911232024.VAA08169@golf.dax.net> Matt and Alberto What thickness(es) steel wire should I order, both for 72 and 48? I sent off a mail to small-parts to see if they ship to Norway. I'm sure surgeons use steel wire in Norway too, but have no idea where they get it. Tom W ---------- > From: Matthew Bittner > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: WW1 aeroplane models rigging - the steel wire way > Date: 22. november 1999 19:00 > > Thanks for your method, Alberto. Mine is practically the same. > I will definitely try the heating now. > > For .005" stainless steel surgical wire, check out Small Parts: > http://www.small-parts.com/ > > > Matt Bittner > http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook > http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 16:04:35 EST From: Suvoroff@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: How did you reached the list? Message-ID: <0.34c8d9d9.256c5b63@aol.com> How did I find this list? Surprisingly enough, I was looking for Sturmoviks on the web... Yours, James D. Gray ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 13:13:59 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: How did you reached the list? Message-ID: <199911232117.NAA31179@mail.rapidnet.net> Matt's fault ---------- >From: Suvoroff@aol.com >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: How did you reached the list? >Date: Tue, Nov 23, 1999, 1:04 PM > > How did I find this list? Surprisingly enough, I was looking for Sturmoviks > on the web... > > Yours, > James D. Gray ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 07:18:51 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: How did you reached the list? was: Modeler Ages Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1A20@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Diego asks: > This lead to another question, that is how did you knew about > this list or Allan's site? I searched the net looking for "Bristol Fighter" and found the list mail archive - the next step was to subscribe. Nearly five years ago and every minute a pleasure. In an effort to spread the fun around, I have passed on instructions for joining to every new person I've ever seen post on rec.models.scale about WW1 models - must be well over 50 by now. Some have joined and some have stayed. Plus - have passed details to all the local WW1-ophiles and have several of them on the list still! Shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 07:20:53 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Modeling duhs, was Age of Modelers Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1A21@mimhexch.mim.com.au> SP > I used to live in fear of loosing a critical part. Now that I > can scratch > most of them it's relaxing to know that loosing a scratched part is > inconvienient, it isn't a show stopper. If I loose, break or > just mess up a > scratched part, I can always make another and probably better part. Uh-oh. The secret code of the Jedi is out ! Shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 07:24:27 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: How did you reached the list? was: Modeler Ages Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1A22@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Alberto says: > I must be one of the newer members, as I joined in just a few > days ago. As > for the "how did you reach the list" topic, I must say it was > merely by > looking for site dealing with WW1 aeroplanes. > Thanks to Allan, and to all of you, our site must be one of > the best in the > world, as it is so lively and enjoyable ! > Also, it is so inspiring, as seing all those marvellous pictures of > completed models makes you wanting to do a better job on your > current and future projects. It's terrific to know that you get enjoyment and inspiration from looking at the other list members work. I've been enjoying *your* work for years now, and it's nice to return a little of that pleasure Shane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 14:28:03 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: A Question of Ethics Message-ID: One of the main attractions of this list is to receive project information that would have otherwise eluded the researcher/builder. Not infrequently, the information sought is in the form of copywrite-protected photos and/or drawings photocopied from published materials. Is it ethical to supply these to individuals in pursuit of a project, as long as one doesn't post it to the entire group or generally broadcast it? If I copy the plans from a Datafile for someone besides myself, have I violated the spirit, if not the letter, of the copywrite protection? What do those of you with published material say? Does it bother you that people are enjoying the fruits of your labors without buying the original product? I'm especially curious to know what publishers (like RLR, for instance), who have a financial stake in the sales volumes of these materials, think. Just looking for my moral compass, which launched itself from betwixt the jaws of tweezers... Lance ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 15:40:27 -0600 From: "Harris, Mack" To: "'World War I'" Subject: Vamps Message-ID: Has anyone had any experience ordering from Vamps? What do they charge for shipping? How fast does your order arrive? Just general questions I guess. Thanks Mack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 07:43:24 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: A Question of Ethics Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1A23@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Lance asks the eternal question: > Is it ethical to supply these to individuals in pursuit of a > project, as long as one doesn't post it to the entire group > or generally broadcast it? If I copy the plans from a > Datafile for someone besides myself, have I violated the > spirit, if not the letter, of the copywrite protection? Ethical or not, the copyright laws in most countries say the same thing - that it is legal to copy a part of a published work "for the purpose of research" Exactly what "a part" is, is subject to interpretation, but I don't doubt that gathering material to build a model *is* research. However - my own opinion is this - I will always *buy* a reference if it's still in print in preference to copying someone elses. If the reference is out of print - then I'll use a copy. I'm afraid my self imposed ethics fail at this point because I should really use the material then get rid of it - but always file it waya for future reference Shane ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1987 **********************