WWI Digest 1962 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Hobbycraft 1/48 Nieuport 17 by BEN8800@aol.com 2) Re: Blue Max DH-4? by "Charles and Linda Duckworth" 3) Re: Bare Metal Foil by Mark Shannon 4) [Fwd: Williams Brothers Inc.] by Tom Solinski 5) Re: [Fwd: Williams Brothers Inc.] by KarrArt@aol.com 6) Re: Blue Max service and new kits by mbittner@juno.com 7) Re: Hobbycraft 1/48 Nieuport 17 by mbittner@juno.com 8) Re: OT Kubrick by Suvoroff@aol.com 9) Re: Blue Max service and new kits by Albatrosdv@aol.com 10) RE: Blue Max service and new kits by Shane Weier 11) Re: OT Kubrick by Mike Fletcher 12) Re: Blue Max service and new kits by Michael Kendix 13) Re: OT Kubrick by Albatrosdv@aol.com 14) RE: Blue Max service and new kits by Shane Weier 15) Re: French-bashing - was OT Kubrick by "DAVID BURKE" 16) Re: Bare-Metal by Brent & Tina Theobald 17) Alb Identity by "Dale Beamish" 18) Allies... by Suvoroff@aol.com 19) Re: French-bashing - was OT Kubrick by Ernest Thomas 20) doubled flying wires with spacer; first report. by Ernest Thomas 21) Re: Use of Future by Pedro e Francisca 22) Re: Allies... by "PETER LEONARD" 23) Re: Allies... by "Dale Beamish" 24) Re: Allies... by Suvoroff@aol.com 25) Fw: French-bashing - was OT Kubrick by "DAVID BURKE" 26) Re: [Fwd: Williams Brothers Inc.] by "Len Smith" 27) Avions 80 - November 99 by Pedro e Francisca 28) New Magazine for Ship fans by Pedro e Francisca 29) Re: Blue Max service and new kits by Pedro e Francisca ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 18:57:36 EST From: BEN8800@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Hobbycraft 1/48 Nieuport 17 Message-ID: <0.1896b389.2558bd70@aol.com> Well, I am progressing well on this kit. Thanks to you guys I have been keeping my eyes open. All in all this is a pretty good kit. Here's some modifications I have made, maybe useful to those just as dumb as I am: 1. As I was told, the cowl does not fit the fuselage well. Its too narrow. Fixed that with a little shaving and filler. 2. The head rest at the cockpit is angled too far back. It should be more upright which I fixed. Also the kit does not even have a head rest cushion. You need to add that. 3. Drilled some holes in the seat. 4. Cut off the elevator from the horizontal stabilizer and re attached it since its all molded in one piece. Also, I cleaned out the groove between the ailerons and wing so it looks detached with hinges. 5. I cut out the hole in the foot step in the fuselage. 6. As I was told, there is no exhaust duct under the fuselage, which is just a curved indent for about a foot from the firewall. However, since this can't generally be seen, I did not add it. 7. I drilled all the holes for the rigging. The kit at least does have indents that locate all the holes in the wings. Nice kit touch. Thats about it so far. Very minor modifications in my opinion. Great kit. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 18:15:54 -0600 From: "Charles and Linda Duckworth" To: Subject: Re: Blue Max DH-4? Message-ID: <017f01bf2a48$ad937fc0$f42c57d8@cnlduckwor> Not that's it's my scale but why would he do a DH-4 when the Airfix model is out? >In 1/72: >DH-4 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 09:40:07 -0600 From: Mark Shannon To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Bare Metal Foil Message-ID: Ben Writes: bigglesrfc@globalserve.net writes: << picked up a sheet of sticky-backed metal foil called Bare-Metal on a sale table. It's manufactured, appropriately, by the Bare Metal Foil Co. of Farmington, Michigan. Does anyone have any experience of this stuff? How would you go about using it on, say, a Camel cowl? The instructions aren't terribly specific. TIA >> >This stuff has been around for a long time. You can get it in several >kinds of metal; copper, silver, etc. However, it is a stiff metal (won't >stretch >very well) so won't go around curves to my knowledge. >Ben Doing a major project all in Bare Metal Foil is a slow invitation to a room with padded walls where they don't let you have sharp objects. So I would not use it to do a whole B-29 unless you are already on medication and need something to up your stress level. On the other hand, it is very useful for a multitude of applications. Cowling *panels* are relatively easy to do, and by using another metal effect and foil, you can get excellent results. For turned metal, rub tight circles on the foil with a typing eraser (I think they still make the things) while it is still on its backing (don't press too hard, but you do need a firm touch). the circles can start overlapping untilyou have the look you want, then apply the foil without burnishing it down as hard as normal. As they have said, the foil does not bend well to conform to outside curves, but with the turned metal you can hide the little darts that you cut to make it fit relatively easily. My biggest problem is that the foil is too shiny relative to my other metallizing techniques. It can be toned down with a clear flat layer, first, however. Where it really adds a nice touch is in some ot aircraft finishes where camouflage was sprayed directly over natural metal finishes, and the contrast of the different metallizers looks very realistic under the mottles and streaks as differing levels of shine peeking through. On these same types, the most striking effects for the translucent blue-green primer over the bare metal can be obtained. It also works well, though tricky to apply, for oleo struts on aircraft from the WWI continuation war of 1939-45. I still prefer to use Floquil "Old Silver", "Bright Silver", and "Platinum Mist" (from the Railroad colors series) as the foundations for overall or complex curve bare metal effects. These dry very hard, take a polish, and don't shine like a mirror. By brushing on SNJ Polishing Powder about 1-2 hours after spraying, a brighter effect is achieved on polishing after it dries (two to three days, minimum). The copper is ot, but I am using it without removing the backing to represent copper hull cladding plates on C.S.S. Virginia (Merrimack, to most people). .Mark. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 19:18:41 -0600 From: Tom Solinski To: WW-I List , Williams Brothers Subject: [Fwd: Williams Brothers Inc.] Message-ID: <38277671.2997ED24@ionet.net> Hi listers! Several weeks (months?) ago someone mentioned that they found the instructions to a Williams Bro. Bessoneau Hangar. And since I'm basically lazy and didn't want to make a master if there was won lurking out there I emailed Williamas Bro. and the answer is below. Back to the master making for me Tom Solinski I am the Grandson of Lorraine and Granger Williams (Owners). Granger Williams had never produced the WW-1 French Bessoneau Hanger in vacuform. He was primarily involved with the Golden Age of Aviation and the historic racers of the time. All of our kits are injection molded. I am not sure where that information came from. I would be curious to know. Currently we produce 18 airplane kits. Be sure to visit our web site at: http://williamsbrosinc.com Once again, so sorry for the late reply and I hope to hear from you soon. Let me know about who manufactured the French airplane. Best Regards, Carlo Medina, Assist. Manager Carlo the WW-I list above was the source of the question. I've since found another string that implied that a company now into Sci fi had the model. I've enjoyed the Williams' Bro. kits for years. Latest one finished is a Sparrow hawk that now resides in Akron Ohio home of the Akron & Macon. Keep up the good work. Keep the R/C WW-I accessories coming. Browse the WW-I list maybe you'll get some ideas as to what to mold next :-) Thanks Tom Solinski ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 21:15:45 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: [Fwd: Williams Brothers Inc.] Message-ID: <0.d841c704.2558ddd1@aol.com> In a message dated 11/8/99 5:22:07 PM Pacific Standard Time, janski@ionet.net writes: << Hi listers! Several weeks (months?) ago someone mentioned that they found the instructions to a Williams Bro. Bessoneau Hangar. >> Jeez, their website sure has a lousy scan of my Laird Super Solution painting. WAY too dark and warm (and banded) Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 20:10:09 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Blue Max service and new kits Message-ID: <19991108.201625.-908509.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 8 Nov 1999 18:28:27 -0500 (EST) "Chris Cato" writes: > Much to my excitement I also got a list of new releases: > > In 1/72: > Spad XII ( Not a misprint! A real 12!) AAAWWWEEESSSOOOMMMEEE!!! Finally, someone is listening. Now for Eduard to release a SPAD 7 or 13...:-) Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 20:12:17 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Hobbycraft 1/48 Nieuport 17 Message-ID: <19991108.201625.-908509.2.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 8 Nov 1999 18:59:01 -0500 (EST) BEN8800@aol.com writes: > 6. As I was told, there is no exhaust duct under the fuselage, which > is just > a curved indent for about a foot from the firewall. However, since > this can't > generally be seen, I did not add it. AARRGGHH!! No, you must add it. This is your AAMS conscious speaking... :-) Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 21:22:31 EST From: Suvoroff@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: OT Kubrick Message-ID: <0.75f25c23.2558df67@aol.com> Mr. Cleaver; "I don't know how unflattering you can be about an army that hasn't won a war on its own for 400 years, that was capable of being beaten by the same secret weapon 100 years apart (Crecy and Agincourt), whose greatest hero was one of the greatest losers of history." I do not know if you are aware that there is at least one French member of the list...or at least there used to be. I don't think that it is appropriate to be rude in this fashion to our French members (as you have been before) - not to mention the questionable historical accuracy of the statements above. Yours, James D. Gray ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 21:37:22 EST From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Blue Max service and new kits Message-ID: <0.247c9333.2558e2e2@aol.com> In a message dated 99-11-08 21:21:21 EST, you write: << Now for Eduard to release a SPAD 7 or 13...:-) >> In the correct Eduard scale, of course - 1/48 Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 12:55:14 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Blue Max service and new kits Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1972@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Matt, > > In 1/72: > > Spad XII ( Not a misprint! A real 12!) > > AAAWWWEEESSSOOOMMMEEE!!! > > Finally, someone is listening. > > Now for Eduard to release a SPAD 7 or 13...:-) > Well if they sell enough of the Dr.1 and Alb D.Va that have been announced you *might* have a chance. Always assuming that Eduard don't intend to go off on yet another tangent selling 1/144 models (as per announcements at RCHTA show last week) ...and after they release a SPAD 7 in 1/48 Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 22:23:31 -0500 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: OT Kubrick Message-ID: <382793B3.AE2726BC@home.com> Suvoroff@aol.com wrote: > Mr. Cleaver; > "I don't know how unflattering you can be about an army that hasn't won a war > on its own for 400 years, that was capable of being beaten by the same secret > weapon 100 years apart (Crecy and Agincourt), whose greatest hero was one of > the greatest losers of history." I could of course point out that the last war the US won unassisted against a real army was the American civil war... ;-) -- Mike Fletcher ___ ., icq=19554083 mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; nieuport@home.com |--n--""*" http://members.home.net/nieuport/ icq=19554083 @ http://mars.ark.com/~mdf/nieuport.html Friends help you move. Real friends help you move bodies. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 22:40:32 EST From: Michael Kendix To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Blue Max service and new kits Message-ID: <19991108.233215.4455.0.mkendix@juno.com> >Well if they sell enough of the Dr.1 and Alb D.Va that have been >announced >you *might* have a chance. > >Always assuming that Eduard don't intend to go off on yet another >tangent >selling 1/144 models (as per announcements at RCHTA show last week) > >..and after they release a SPAD 7 in 1/48 Shane: Are you saying Eduard is going to release 1/144th scale kits? What is RCHTA? I am looking forward to the new 1/72nd Eduard/Flashback kits. If they're anywhere near the quality of their Strutters, that will be excellent. I now regret buying the Pegasus Albatros D.Va but I'm glad I refrained from buying one of the various Dr.1's. Isn't there a decent 1/48th scale Spad VII available. I know I've seen a good build of one - maybe it was Sandy's? The Airfix Spad VII (or is it Revell?) has those weird looking wing grooves that make the wings look like corrugated iron sheeting - defintely room for a Spad VII in 1/72nd scale too. Isn't it time we had a another kit wish list? The last one was only about 6 months ago, right Matt? :) Michael P.S. Shane, congratulations on Australia's big triumph, although it's a shame Spurs beat Arsenal 2-1:)!! ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 23:10:47 EST From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: OT Kubrick Message-ID: <0.50bb1658.2558f8c7@aol.com> In a message dated 99-11-08 22:20:22 EST, you write: << could of course point out that the last war the US won unassisted against a real army was the American civil war... >> At least we *won.* Unlike Napoleon et al. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 14:14:50 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Blue Max service and new kits Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1975@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Michael, > Are you saying Eduard is going to release 1/144th scale kits? What is > RCHTA? Glen Broman of IPMS Quad Cities reported on rec models scale about the Radio Control Hobby Trades of America show (oops, now called the National Model and Hobby Show) held in Chicago last weekend. Aside from the stuff we already knew here - but new to rms denizens - he wrote that four 1/144 kits were announced by Eduard. ot subjects with the digits one, zero and nine in two combinations covering all four kits. > Isn't there a decent 1/48th scale Spad VII available. BM is out of stock IIRC, and a trifle too much work for me to make more than the one I have. JMGT would require me to spend too much - even if I could get one. A 1/48 Eduard quality and price kit would be *excellent* > The Airfix Spad VII (or is it > Revell?) has those weird looking wing grooves that make the > wings look > like corrugated iron sheeting - defintely room for a Spad VII > in 1/72nd scale too. Pretty revolting isn't it. Best used for cutting fancy cheese slices. > P.S. Shane, congratulations on Australia's big triumph, ...not unexpected. ;-) That's cricket, rugby and tennis to come if the French will again oblige ! > although it's a shame Spurs beat Arsenal 2-1:)!! ...utterly amazing. They must've cheated ;-) Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 22:32:49 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: French-bashing - was OT Kubrick Message-ID: <003c01bf2a6b$7c2db220$458baec7@dora9sprynet.com> AWWWW, C'MON!! Why are you guys frogging flogging this dead horse in the town square again for? And watch your comments about the U.S. military, bub. We have prevented more German language lessons this century than anybody else, and I'll be happy to go toe to toe over that with anybody. Dave (wondering when the next bus is due...) >Suvoroff@aol.com wrote: >> Mr. Cleaver; >> "I don't know how unflattering you can be about an army that hasn't won a war >> on its own for 400 years, that was capable of being beaten by the same secret >> weapon 100 years apart (Crecy and Agincourt), whose greatest hero was one of >> the greatest losers of history." > >I could of course point out that the last war the US won unassisted >against a real army was the American civil war... >;-) >-- >Mike Fletcher ___ ., icq=19554083 >mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; >nieuport@home.com |--n--""*" http://members.home.net/nieuport/ >icq=19554083 @ http://mars.ark.com/~mdf/nieuport.html >Friends help you move. Real friends help you move bodies. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 22:36:36 -0800 From: Brent & Tina Theobald To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Bare-Metal Message-ID: <3827C0F4.777C2427@airmail.net> I have used the stuff quite a bit. What I do is paint the model with my favorite metalizer paint (at least the difficult to cover areas: wingtips and cowling etc). Then cover everything I can with bare metal foil. I have been able to stretch it around the leading edge of a wing root, but would not attempt trying a cowl. ot: I have seen a 1/48 B-29 in bare metal foil. A man named Marvin Howel built it. I think it is on the cover of Koku Fan or something. The model currently resides in the SAC museum. Contact me off list if you are interested in pics. Brent ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 22:13:29 -0700 From: "Dale Beamish" To: "List" Subject: Alb Identity Message-ID: <00da01bf2a71$50db8ce0$0100007f@darcy> On page 2 of the Richthofen's Flying Circus Fabric Special there is a photo showing a striped Alb reportedly from Jasta 4. Would anyone know who this belonged to or the colors involved? Dale ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 00:55:13 EST From: Suvoroff@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Allies... Message-ID: <0.2d48651d.25591141@aol.com> I hate to defend the US, but it is my country after all...anyway, I must point out that the British Empire has not won a major war without allies since AT LEAST the Dutch wars, if not before. This of course includes Canada. The much-vaunted Germans have not won a war in over 120 years. Perhaps the lesson is, as General Slim said, the only thing worse than fighting with allies is fighting without them. Yours, James D. Gray ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 00:32:27 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: French-bashing - was OT Kubrick Message-ID: <3827BFFA.4AB78881@bellsouth.net> DAVID BURKE wrote: > AWWWW, C'MON!! > > Why are you guys frogging flogging this dead horse in the town square > again for? And watch your comments about the U.S. military, bub. We have > prevented more German language lessons this century than anybody else, and > I'll be happy to go toe to toe over that with anybody. And just think about how all those would-be German language teachers feel about that. I going back to my rigging(28) now. Hope to post results for my doubled-up wire attempt shortly. E. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 01:38:30 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: multiple recipients of list Subject: doubled flying wires with spacer; first report. Message-ID: <3827CF75.6A9EFCEB@bellsouth.net> Ok. So I've successfully CA's two pieces of .0053 stainless wire to the narrow edges of a piece of .010 x .020 (0.25x0.5mm) strip styrene. I then tried to sand the whole assembly to smooth out some of the glue spooges as well as trying to thin the styreve to be closer in thickness to the wire. After putting a coat of paint on the strip styrene, I see that I have more sanding to do. I'll try to sand it some more tomorrow. At this point, I'm thinking it may be better to paint the styrene strip before attaching the wires. I'm also considering the possibility that I may have to try and paint the wires after they've been attached to the styrene strip. Stay tuned tomorrow for the next exciting episode of "Doubled Flying Wires with Spacers". E. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 22:20:57 +0000 From: Pedro e Francisca To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Use of Future Message-ID: <38274CC9.A5166BC0@mail.telepac.pt> Shane Weier wrote: > Lee says: > > > Future is just an acrylic floor wax. > > The pedant (me) strikes again. One thing it really is *not* is a wax. What > it *is* is an acrylic floor finish. The distiction is probably moot, except > that those who get a mental picture of a wax as something that one rubs on > or into something and buffs will be somewhat surprised to find that Future > is actually an acrylic paint. > > Incidentally, most of us know that it's sold by Johnsons under a bunch of > different names (Kleer, Super Stride, Super Shine, etc.) but you may be > interested to know that the Australian version (now Super Shine) is *milky* > and looks exactly the same as Aeromaster acrylic gloss. Johnsons in Oz say > "Yes, same stuff" and it does have the same properties as Future but surely > it *must* be different in some way other than colour ! > > Shane > **** FWIW the Portuguese brands of acrylic floor shine are all milky too but they work just the same. I have a bottle of KLEAR I bought in England 10 years ago and it's still ok. Pedro (no modeling for me tonight: made a nasty cut with a n10 blade while making holes in the elevators for the control horns of my ot Southern Cross....just when I had read the last editorial in IM....) Hey Shane (yes, you, the older one) you still got the other Southern cross Shots you didn't send me? could you shoot them over? TIA Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 01:53:06 PST From: "PETER LEONARD" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Allies... Message-ID: <19991109095306.2587.qmail@hotmail.com> This is exactly the kind of thread which turned a certain forum into a wasteland Peter ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 06:28:51 -0700 From: "Dale Beamish" To: Subject: Re: Allies... Message-ID: <000f01bf2ab6$85f4f160$7f31b8a1@darcy> This Colonial agrees Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: PETER LEONARD To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: 09 November, 1999 2:55 AM Subject: Re: Allies... > This is exactly the kind of thread which turned a certain forum into a > wasteland > > Peter > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 11:34:02 EST From: Suvoroff@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Allies... Message-ID: <0.c67b2d6a.2559a6fa@aol.com> I apologize for my participation in this thread. Yours, James D. Gray ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 11:47:31 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: Fw: French-bashing - was OT Kubrick Message-ID: <005401bf2ada$85d48dc0$b997aec7@dora9sprynet.com> Dear fellows, As I re-read my previous posting about the 'flogging of the dead horse', I inadvertantly did not remove the preceeding 'frogging', which initially was to be an intended joke, but I considered it to be in poor taste and not in the spirit of conciliation. I deleted the 'oops-sorry, I mean' between 'frogging' and 'flogging'. But I didn't delete the 'frogging', and I thought that I had. I was a participant in the prior round of bashing the French, and it was a poor thing then, and still is. As a typically pompous American, I love horrible jokes about other people and their nations, but this should never be the forum for it and I apologize again for my inattention to detail. If you have any good zingers, send them offline. Nato is having a hard time as it is already. Dave -----Original Message----- From: DAVID BURKE To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Date: Monday, November 08, 1999 10:32 PM Subject: Re: French-bashing - was OT Kubrick >AWWWW, C'MON!! > > Why are you guys frogging flogging this dead horse in the town square >again for? And watch your comments about the U.S. military, bub. We have >prevented more German language lessons this century than anybody else, and >I'll be happy to go toe to toe over that with anybody. > > Dave > >(wondering when the next bus is due...) > > >>Suvoroff@aol.com wrote: >>> Mr. Cleaver; >>> "I don't know how unflattering you can be about an army that hasn't won a >war >>> on its own for 400 years, that was capable of being beaten by the same >secret >>> weapon 100 years apart (Crecy and Agincourt), whose greatest hero was one >of >>> the greatest losers of history." >> >>I could of course point out that the last war the US won unassisted >>against a real army was the American civil war... >>;-) >>-- >>Mike Fletcher ___ ., icq=19554083 >>mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; >>nieuport@home.com |--n--""*" http://members.home.net/nieuport/ >>icq=19554083 @ http://mars.ark.com/~mdf/nieuport.html >>Friends help you move. Real friends help you move bodies. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 17:31:15 -0000 From: "Len Smith" To: Subject: Re: [Fwd: Williams Brothers Inc.] Message-ID: <000001bf2add$88185be0$a1867ed4@lensmith> Tom, No implying here, I have before me an advert in Windsock for the 1/72 Bessonneau Hanger on Special Offer at £5.95 from £8.95 for the last 50 to clear. Of course that was in the Spring 1987 issue, so I expect they have been sold by now! If you are interested the current name and address is;- Comet Miniatures, 46-48 Lavender Hill, London SW11 5RH, they MAY have the original moulds. Regards Len. lensmith@clara.net http://home.clara.net/lensmith ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Solinski To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 1999 1:20 AM Subject: [Fwd: Williams Brothers Inc.] > Hi listers! > Several weeks (months?) ago someone mentioned that they found the > instructions to a Williams Bro. Bessoneau Hangar. And since I'm > basically lazy and didn't want to make a master if there was won lurking > out there I emailed Williamas Bro. and the answer is below. Back to > the master making for me > > Tom Solinski > > I am the Grandson of Lorraine and Granger Williams (Owners). Granger > Williams had never produced the WW-1 French Bessoneau Hanger in > vacuform. > He was primarily involved with the Golden Age of Aviation and the > historic racers of the time. All of our kits are injection molded. I > am not sure where that information came from. I would be curious to > know. Currently we produce 18 airplane kits. Be sure to visit our web > site at: http://williamsbrosinc.com Once again, so sorry for > the late reply and I hope to hear from you soon. Let me know about who > manufactured the French airplane. > > Best Regards, > Carlo Medina, Assist. Manager > > Carlo the WW-I list above was the source of the question. I've since > found another string that implied that a company now into Sci fi had the > model. I've enjoyed the Williams' Bro. kits for years. Latest one > finished is a Sparrow hawk that now resides in Akron Ohio home of the > Akron & Macon. Keep up the good work. Keep the R/C WW-I accessories > coming. Browse the WW-I list maybe you'll get some ideas as to what to > mold next :-) > > Thanks > Tom Solinski > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 20:41:39 +0000 From: Pedro e Francisca To: WW1 modeling list Subject: Avions 80 - November 99 Message-ID: <38288703.3407271C@mail.telepac.pt> OT stuff: - Les aigles Isoles du Kaiser - The kaiser's lonely eagles - a very interesting article on the aircraft and pilots of germany in the German Africa during WW1 with extremely clear photos of an aviatik and another one of a Roland Taube, the only 2 aircraft that were used. There's also a picture of an AGO aircraft with the name of the manufacturer on the gondola side: Pfalz - Flugzeugwerke GmbH Speyer a.Rh., first aircraft ever to fly in German Africa. - 2nd and final part of Russian Ace Ivan Smirnov with plenty of interesting photos from WW1 and after. Almost OT: Les avions AVRO au Portugal - - AVRO aircraft in Portugal - Lots of photos of 504s. haven't had the time to read it but looks quite interesting for me. All in all a splendid issue as usual and the paper is now better. Avions is an excellent mag. Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 21:29:44 +0000 From: Pedro e Francisca To: WW1 modeling list Subject: New Magazine for Ship fans Message-ID: <38289248.C9D90631@mail.telepac.pt> Gang, Lela Press, the same company that publishes Avions and Jets, is putting out a new Ship magazine called "Navires & Histoire" (Ships and history). It'll be published 4 times a year and the promotional subscription price will be 210 French F. - one year - or 380 F - 2 years. Price of n. 1 is 69 FF and it'll be on sale on the 15th November. I suspect this will be another smashing magazine from lela, so if you're into ships I'd recommend it with my eyes shut. I would not be surprised to see plenty of OT material in this mag. Pedro (Who does not have nothing to do with lela, except buying "avions" on a regular basis and being pretty happy with it) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 21:33:11 +0000 From: Pedro e Francisca To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Blue Max service and new kits Message-ID: <38289316.4AE8F560@mail.telepac.pt> mbittner@juno.com wrote: > > AAAWWWEEESSSOOOMMMEEE!!! > > Finally, someone is listening. > > Now for Eduard to release a SPAD 7 or 13...:-) > > Matt Bittner a 7, pleaasssssssssssssssssssse a 7!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you know why, don't you Matt? Pedro ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1962 **********************