WWI Digest 1918 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: 1/72 Bristol M.1C??? by Albatrosdv@aol.com 2) new models by Steve, Pedro & Steve by "Michael Kendix" 3) RE: new models by Steve, Pedro & Steve by "dfernet0" 4) RE: Argentinian IPMS nationals by "dfernet0" 5) Re: RE: Argentinian IPMS nationals by "Lance Krieg" 6) RE: RE: Argentinian IPMS nationals by "dfernet0" 7) DH 2 by BEN8800@aol.com 8) Re: DH 2 by "Lance Krieg" 9) Re: 1/72 Bristol M.1C??? by "Steve" 10) Re: Berg Photos on the web by "Michael S. Alvarado" 11) Re: DH 2 by "Michael S. Alvarado" 12) Re: Fokker Streaking by "Michael S. Alvarado" 13) Re: Fokker Streaking by "Michael S. Alvarado" 14) Re: 1/72 Bristol M.1C??? by "Bob Pearson" 15) Re: Berg Photos on the web by "Bob Pearson" 16) Re: DH 2 by BEN8800@aol.com 17) RE: RE: Argentinian IPMS nationals by Shane Weier 18) RE: DH 2 by Shane Weier 19) RE: Fokker Streaking by Shane Weier 20) Re: Argentinian IPMS nationals by Pedro e Francisca 21) Re: new models by Steve, Pedro & Steve by Pedro e Francisca 22) To Gloss or not to Gloss.... by Matthew Zivich 23) kITS by BEN8800@aol.com 24) RE: kITS by Shane Weier 25) handy-dandy guide (was Re: Fokker Streaking) by roguerpj 26) RE: handy-dandy guide (was Re: Fokker Streaking) by Shane Weier 27) Re: handy-dandy guide (was Re: Fokker Streaking) by roguerpj 28) smperry@mindspring.com by "K. Hagerup" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 02:34:11 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 1/72 Bristol M.1C??? Message-ID: <0.b3515e8d.25343063@aol.com> In a message dated 99-10-12 02:29:40 EDT, you write: << RK, RK HEYYYY WHERE ARE YOUU RK >> According to a recent message I had privately from RK, he is busy painting (pictures of airplanes, not models) right now and steering a bit clear of modeling so he can return re-energized. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 06:34:00 PDT From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: new models by Steve, Pedro & Steve Message-ID: <19991012133401.75017.qmail@hotmail.com> Really nice to return to work after the long weekend and find some excellent stuff on the web. Steve Perry: Berg D.1 looks fine and it only took a couple of days - will probably take me a couple of months and won't be as good. Pedro: Why did I think of pre-1946 Nippon?:) Looks great. Steve Schofield: You're a nutter for attempting something like that, and brilliant for finishing it. Michael ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 14:01:06 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: new models by Steve, Pedro & Steve Message-ID: <01e601bf14d3$5fa0ec60$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Hey Steves (scho and Perr) Wonderful work on the HD and the Sopwith. And in the proper scale! I intended to do a slammer from time to time, but always end trying to improve the kit and therefore delaying all for months to completion. Thanks for sharing D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 14:27:02 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: "WW1 modeling Mail List" Subject: RE: Argentinian IPMS nationals Message-ID: <022201bf14d6$ff87a5e0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Well, well, well.... I promised a report of the nationals and here it is: First the good things: The meeting is done by a very dedicate bunch of modelers and they have put all the effort to do it, and since our hobby isn't widely executed down here, it's very satisfying to see people from far cities and provinces to come along with their beloved "oeuvres d'art". Admission was completely free, and that allowed many begginers to enter the contest with many models. All categories were represented and enthusiasm and good natured competition was the general rule. Maybe because there were few modelers to american or british standards, a very friendly meeting it was. The Best of show winner was a scratchbuilt figure of a greek Hoplit warrior, full of life. Best aircraft was a Junkers WW2 dive bomber cutout in 1/24. Also, I had the chance to see a completed Ilya Muromets in 1/72 in the flesh for the first time. I saw just one member of the Color Police, and he was deeply concerned about the appareance of a german tank, so he was out of my field of view. Now the minus: Of 350+ models entered in all scales and cathegories, only 20 were from the WW1 era: 8 1/72 airplanes (6 from the same modeler) 9 1/48 airplanes (8 of those from a single guy too) 2 1/72 Emhar tanks (form other guy who presented mostly WW2 stuff) and a 1/35 british soldier figure. No more. Apart from some exceptions, all airplanes were built OOB, exactly as provided in the kit. Thick struts and tailwheels, no interior details, oddly sized wheels, no rib tapes, etc., with the exception of a sopwith tripe that has their ailerons posed.... drooped as if they were flaps! There was some Nieuports in 1/72, but they had their upper wings leading edges completely straight, no Matt's surgery for them. The guy who did the 1/48 kits had excellent paint jobs, but marred because he looks like he didn't used jigs to assemble wings, none of them were paralell. A Fok Dr1 was beautifully painted too, but the machine guns feeding rails were glued wrong, they didn't reached the cowl... Most of the flaws of the models were due to poor knowledge or unavialability of references of early aircraft. The models were weathered as if they were later types, and the weathering was highly exagerated. This can be blamed to certain spanish modelling magazines that are widely known by here, and they always over-emphasize the weathering in all kind of models, as if a very very very dirty model were a better better better model. Agh. One of the victims was the Ilya Muromets, that has a heavy "oily" streaking, spilling, smudging, splashing all over its clear doped fabric surfaces. It looked like they used the darn plane to fly over all the chimneys of St. Petersburg (Florida). Another thing that surprised me, and this apart from WW1 modelling, is the heavy prominence of nazi weaponry or blood stained sci-fi/fantastic stuff, mostly modelled by teenagers. Why all that violence? Is the same up there or just another argentinian mood? There were some pieces that were really shocking and not worth to describe. And something that annoyed me most was that there were no vendors. No vendors at all. They are no merchants, the organizers said. I tried to explain that I've sold a litre of my blood, I've sold the car, I've sold my grandma too, and leased some money from a guy with a baseball bat that charges a 200% interest each week, just to spend my dough in new kits that afternoon. What should I do? The guy with the bat refuses to take his money back right now and he's standing at the corner of my house every day, and my grandma refuses to return home. What should I do? D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 13:25:04 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: RE: Argentinian IPMS nationals Message-ID: Ah, Diego! It sounds as if you should have entered a model! You may have to take your money and head for the UK's nationals....they will have plenty of OT models, and vendors, too. Better luck next time.... Lance ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 15:44:54 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: RE: Argentinian IPMS nationals Message-ID: <009a01bf14e1$e05dbd20$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Lance After re-reading my last post again I realize that if I would have entered a model I would have more authority to whine as I did about the contest. Next year I'll bring some models to compete, even when I know that many of the models were (and will) far better than those I can do. Seems like there's no other modelling subject than WW2! for instance, I counted only 1 civilian airplane. Having few theme variations, cathegories were 1/72 airplanes, 1/48 or bigger airplanes, armored vehicles, cars, sci fi/fantastic and figures, everything all scales. The special feature of the meeting (and out of competition) were wooden models of ships. Beatiful ships, I must add, full of rigging. D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lance Krieg To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 1999 3:27 PM Subject: Re: RE: Argentinian IPMS nationals > Ah, Diego! > > It sounds as if you should have entered a model! > > You may have to take your money and head for the UK's nationals....they will have plenty of OT models, and vendors, too. > > Better luck next time.... > > Lance > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 15:20:14 EDT From: BEN8800@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: DH 2 Message-ID: <0.7915f639.2534e3ee@aol.com> What is the difference between an Airco DH 2 and DeHavilland DH 2 ? Ben ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 14:26:06 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: DH 2 Message-ID: AFAIK there is no difference, Airco being the company that produced the DeHavilland design. Lance >>> 10/12 2:20 PM >>> What is the difference between an Airco DH 2 and DeHavilland DH 2 ? Ben ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 20:29:11 +0100 From: "Steve" To: Subject: Re: 1/72 Bristol M.1C??? Message-ID: <007f01bf14e9$dd0cc3c0$9ee307c3@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: Dennis Ugulano To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 1999 5:12 AM Subject: Re: 1/72 Bristol M.1C??? > Tom, > > Pegasus did one a long, long time ago. I don't think anyone has > done one since. It's kit number 13, Stage 1. Probably released about > 1986. I'm afraid this one is long out of production. > > Dennis Ugulano He, he,he... I got one o'them in the cupboard. I got it at the IPMS Nationals last year. Cost me five ponds.I'm still holding out for what I like to term *the right price*. - Sorry *colour scheme.* - Not for sale. Scho http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~scho.deni > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 16:00:45 -0400 From: "Michael S. Alvarado" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Berg Photos on the web Message-ID: <3803936D.F2645644@bellatlantic.net> My problem is that my wife does realize that when I'm modeling the house could catch fire and it wouldn't bother me untill the plastic started to warp. Then I'd prpbably get up an stomp the fire out bare handed (footed?) just so I could get back to what I was doing. Alvie, the oblivious modeler smperry@mindspring.com wrote: > >Nice job Steve and all in one-weekend ? > > Make that a one-track, obsessive weekend. Thanks Len. > > Your bathroom remodeling story had me laughing. My wife has trouble > understanding that when I get absorbed in a model, the house can fall down > around me and as long as the dust doesn't mess up a paint job, I wouldn't > notice. > > sp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 16:03:53 -0400 From: "Michael S. Alvarado" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: DH 2 Message-ID: <38039428.B2B3D373@bellatlantic.net> One and the same, Geoff DeHavilland worked for AIRCO at the time. Alvie who enjoyed every aggrivating moment of building the Bule Max DH 2. BEN8800@aol.com wrote: > What is the difference between an Airco DH 2 and DeHavilland DH 2 ? > > Ben ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 16:12:07 -0400 From: "Michael S. Alvarado" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Fokker Streaking Message-ID: <38039616.CD94A366@bellatlantic.net> The photostability of Great War era paints and dyes has always interested me. I'm positive that they were not nearly as stable as paints and dyes of the second unpleasantness and we all know how stable they were. If you dont't like that particular shade of PC 10, wait a minute. Alvie, fading fast Dave Watts wrote: > Hi all, > > Breathing like into an old thread. I was gone for about four weeks and > had to carve through 3500 E-mails. > > I always tread lightly when discussing colors, but in this case I will > stroll into the mine field. I have been paying special attention to the > early streaky Fokker D.VIIs. In support of the color fading theory, I will > present Fokker D.VII 244/18. There are some good photos of this ship in > Anthology I. In the earliest photo of 244/18 we see that it is carrying > the very early patte, "iron (eisern) crosses". This gives you a chance to > study the fuselage streaking to some degree. This plane was flown by > Heldmann. There are other photos that show LvR mounting 244/18, but now > the plane is carrying later field modified balken crosses. This photo is > showing the same side of the plane, and you can see where the side of the > plane appears lighter in color where the "D.VII 244/18" is, and the area > immediately in front appears quite dark, but you can still make out "Fok.". > I know that camera exposure times can make a difference in how the subject > appears, but in this case you can see the color of these two areas compared > side by side. Any thoughts? > > Another bit for thought, is it possible that the corresponding exterior > fabric area of the interior of the cockpit could become more darkened by > exhaust fumes, oil, smoke, etc.coming into the cockpit. And the fuselage > area aft of the cockpit is protected by the fabric partition immediately > behind the seat and doesn't? > > Has anyone looked at Dr.Is for a similar phenomenon? > > Best Wishes, > Dave Watts > > At 03:58 PM 9/21/99 -0400, you wrote: > >Well, let's see. I have a couple of things to say about the colors and what > >not. First, I always thought that the 8cm brush in the green dope over CDL > >seemed like a weird camo scheme unless the planes were to be hidden in tall > >weeds. As to the weathering from green to brown, does that infer that the > >paint pigment changed color, or that the green weathered off the plane and > >exposed the CDL? I wouldn't like that arguement. > > > >As to the 'olive green', I actually used RLM 70 'Black-green'. The olive > >comes from the CDL color showing thru it. Are you saying that a more vivid > >green has been suggested? I wonder, as most of the photos show some dark > >streaking, and some show a nearly uniform appearance between the streaks and > >the CDL. I also wonder if, as the war progressed, the color used for > >streaking changed hue and tone. And quality! Because if one is to believe > >'the Old Fokker Mechanic', then one is also drawn to the conclusion that the > >green was unstable - photochemically or otherwise. > > > > > >Interesting Questions, > > > > > >DB > > > >P.S., Relax Lance, it's only plastic! > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Lance Krieg > >To: Multiple recipients of list > >Date: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 10:36 AM > >Subject: Re: Fokker Streaking > > > > > >>Thanks for the kind words,all, about the D.VII Alan recently added to the > >Web page. > >> > >>I'll take E.'s challenge on the constructive criticism by inviting it on > >this interpretation of the streaking. > >> > >>Clearly the Anthology contributors are convinced that this color should be > >much greener than hitherto depicted. My Dr.I looks a lot more like David's > >recent trio, more olive/brown over CDL, so I hesitated to embark on this > >version. > >> > >>Anyone care to offer a theory that embraces both depictions? The Anthology > >quotes an old Fokker mechanic who recalled the machines were delivered > >green, which changed to brown over the passage of some weeks. > >> > >>Personally, I gnash my teeth whenever new research overturns a > >preconception and renders one of my models "wrong". > >> > >>At least I don't have any KuK machines that are caught in the grays vs. > >tan/green conundrum! > >> > >>Lance > >> > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 16:19:08 -0400 From: "Michael S. Alvarado" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Fokker Streaking Message-ID: <380397BB.84D732C1@bellatlantic.net> Isn't it amazing how different two pictures of the same subject taken only minutes apart and from only slightly different angles can be. Don't forget that color interpretation from nearly century old black and white photographs is about as precise as the theory of fractals. Alvie, yet another strange attractor. Shane Weier wrote: > Dave, > > > I know that camera exposure times can make a difference in > > how the subject appears, but in this case you can see the > > color of these two areas compared > > side by side. Any thoughts? > > > > Without intending to be rude, I'd say it's meaningless. There are simply so > many variables that can affect the representation that to look at two > different photos taken at different times is fraught with complications. > > For example, not just exposure, but the contrast of the film, nature, > direction and colour of lighting, colour sensitivity of the film, > filtration, lens characteristics, processing temperature, time and chemicals > ....and more I've forgotten no doubt .... can affect the relative density > of two areas of a negative. THEN....we get into variations in the production > of the print. > > And we haven't even *touched* on variations in the subject like surface > texture (for example, a glossy surface gives greater contrasts than a matt > one, so an older aircraft which has lost that that lovely new shine might > appear to have greyer whites - and greyer blacks as well!) > > Only MHO, but almost the only reliable way to compare is within a *single* > photo, and even then, only on an area where you can reasonably rely on > identical lighting and surface texture. > > None of which will stop me speculating, nor should it stop anyone else - so > long as we all understand how little it's worth > > Shane > ************************************************************** > The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential > and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). > If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution > or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are > requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems > to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. > E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. > ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 13:42:19 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 1/72 Bristol M.1C??? Message-ID: <199910122057.NAA27326@mail.rapidnet.net> a lake for the ponds? Bob ---------- > > He, he,he... I got one o'them in the cupboard. I got it at the IPMS > Nationals last year. Cost me five ponds.I'm still holding out for > what I like to term *the right price*. > - Sorry *colour scheme.* - Not for sale. > Scho > http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~scho.deni >> > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 13:45:05 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Berg Photos on the web Message-ID: <199910122057.NAA27336@mail.rapidnet.net> > My problem is that my wife does realize that when I'm modeling the house could > catch fire and it wouldn't bother me untill the plastic started to warp. Then > I'd prpbably get up an stomp the fire out bare handed (footed?) just so I > could get back to what I was doing. > That's me working on computer profiles. . supper tends to burn quite a bit, so I'm not allowed to cook and work at the same time. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 17:02:23 EDT From: BEN8800@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: DH 2 Message-ID: <0.118f9f0d.2534fbdf@aol.com> In a message dated 10/12/99 4:14:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sm5192@bellatlantic.net writes: << One and the same, Geoff DeHavilland worked for AIRCO at the time. >> I sort of thought this was the case once I figured that AIRCO meant Aircraft Manufacturing Co. It was puzzling at first, when I saw Airco DH 2, and DeHavilland DH 2 listed in books and on profiles. Wonder how that happened in the first place? Ben ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 07:11:17 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: RE: Argentinian IPMS nationals Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD475C0E@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Diego, > Next year I'll bring some models to compete, even when I know that > many of the models were (and will) far better than those I can do. A great attitude, and the only way to make contests fun regardless of results - bring your best, enjoy the competition and accept that you might not be best. OTOH mate, if you hang about with this motley crew for long enough, your models will sweep the opposition away ! > Seems like there's no other modelling subject than WW2! You can change that, but it takes lost of perseverance. I'm slowly converting all my clubmates and friends to the one true path - you should go and introduce the members of your club to WW1 (take the man with the baseball bat!) I'm sorry to hear that the show lacked vendors. I don't know what the modelling scene is like in Argentina, but by your description it may simply be that specialists are too far away to attend, whih would be a great pity :-( Even in Brisbane where we now boast 10 model clubs, the great majority of the vendors travel between 800 and 2000 kilometres to attend our show. We do usually have a couple of "vendors", who are actually club members acting as agents for importers who can't travel to the show. They sell stuff sent to them prior to the show, then package and return the balance (in a shoebox ;-) and profit by some arrangement with the real owner of the goods. Maybe this is a way that you could see some nice unusual stuff in BA, though it requires that the guys doing the sales have a close relationship with the importer. One more thing - I hope you grabbed the builders of the WW1 aircraft by the arm and introduced yourself! We WW1 types are still a little rare and you'd have someone else to talk with aside from the list members ! Shane (Who really *must* convince the boss he should visit our Minera Ulumbrera offices in BA) ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 07:13:00 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: DH 2 Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD475C0F@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Ben, > What is the difference between an Airco DH 2 and DeHavilland DH 2 ? Airco - company that made the DH-2 (and DH-5 etc) G de Havilland - designer of the DH-2 Same airplane, two different ways of referring to it Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 07:17:11 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Fokker Streaking Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD475C10@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Alvie, > The photostability of Great War era paints and dyes has > always interested me. > I'm positive that they were not nearly as stable as paints > and dyes of the second > unpleasantness and we all know how stable they were. If you > dont't like that > particular shade of PC 10, wait a minute. In general I agree with you, but PC.10 is probably a bad example. My handy-dandy guide to pigments (from the art store) says that ochres are quite colour fast. The reason that PC.10 varied is more likely because the ochre used is a natural earth, and varies widely in colour to begin with (have a look at an Australian Aboriginal painting, where almost all the colours are variations of the same material) Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 22:04:57 +0100 From: Pedro e Francisca To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Argentinian IPMS nationals Message-ID: <3803A279.839D9BCE@mail.telepac.pt> dfernet0 wrote: > What should I do? The guy with the bat refuses to take his money > back right now and he's standing at the corner of my house every day, and my > grandma refuses to return home. Diego, Huh... you've seen this guy's face? that's probably Steve Perry who won't be able to tell DVII "See honey, Diego does it...." and so he'll have to most probably just jump of the cliff with no good shop below either.... :-) Um abraco Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 22:08:02 +0100 From: Pedro e Francisca To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: new models by Steve, Pedro & Steve Message-ID: <3803A332.DDB6DDB6@mail.telepac.pt> Michael Kendix wrote: > . > > Pedro: Why did I think of pre-1946 Nippon?:) Looks great. > > Michael > Michael, Thanks. Yes, there is a certain tamagochi air about it, doesn't it? Um abraco Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 18:22:11 -0400 From: Matthew Zivich To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: To Gloss or not to Gloss.... Message-ID: <3803B492.7A26EE9A@svsu.edu> Fellow Members, Could someone please pass along an easy formula for what aircraft finishes should be gloss and what finishes matte? I know that certain aircraft had a gloss finish on wings and fuselage and some did not. For example, the well-known Mikesh book states that the NASM Alb. D-Va was finished with dull varnished fabric surfaces and gloss varnished wood surfaces. Does this mean that all German aircraft of a certain period followed the same formula? And also what method did the A/H manufacturers use on their Alb. (Oef).? Matthew Zivich ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 18:32:34 EDT From: BEN8800@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: kITS Message-ID: <0.ac848666.25351102@aol.com> Just a little more help please. I have been thru the Rolls and Squadron catalogs and can't find these kits. All in 1:48 Bristol Scout Sopwith 1-1/2 strutter Nieuport 28 RAF RE8 Dehavilland DH 4 Where I get these kits? Ben ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 08:38:54 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: kITS Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD475C12@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Ben > Sopwith 1-1/2 strutter Toms Modelworks Vacform > Nieuport 28 Blue Max Short run injection Glencoe ex-Aurora > RAF RE8 Aeroclub Short run injection I'll leave the others to the others! Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 17:50:33 -0500 From: roguerpj To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: handy-dandy guide (was Re: Fokker Streaking) Message-ID: <3803BB39.F7DD0DF9@black-hole.com> Shane, What guide would that be? Sounds most interesting. rob johnson Shane Weier wrote: > > Alvie, > > > The photostability of Great War era paints and dyes has > > always interested me. > > I'm positive that they were not nearly as stable as paints > > and dyes of the second > > unpleasantness and we all know how stable they were. If you > > dont't like that > > particular shade of PC 10, wait a minute. > > In general I agree with you, but PC.10 is probably a bad example. My > handy-dandy guide to pigments (from the art store) says that ochres are > quite colour fast. The reason that PC.10 varied is more likely because the > ochre used is a natural earth, and varies widely in colour to begin with > (have a look at an Australian Aboriginal painting, where almost all the > colours are variations of the same material) > > Shane > ************************************************************** > The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential > and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). > If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution > or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are > requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems > to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. > E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. > ************************************************************** -- roguerpj "Its not you. My spell checker couldn't figure it out either." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 08:53:48 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: handy-dandy guide (was Re: Fokker Streaking) Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD475C15@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Rob, > What guide would that be? Sounds most interesting. > Sorry, I'll have to find it again (deep in the still unpacked removal boxes after 11 months). However, such books (mine was a paperback the size of a Squadron In Action volume) are available from art supply stores. I don't recall what it is called, but I bought it because of a large section discussing the colour permanance of various pigments and vehicles. It may be easier for me to go back to the art store - a good excuse to find new materials for the hobby. Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 18:21:11 -0500 From: roguerpj To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: handy-dandy guide (was Re: Fokker Streaking) Message-ID: <3803C267.59C8E9A6@black-hole.com> Shane, Thanks I will look here I need some clear resin for a vary OT project anyway. What struck me as most interesting was color permanence issues as well. rob johnson Shane Weier wrote: > > Rob, > > > What guide would that be? Sounds most interesting. > > > > Sorry, I'll have to find it again (deep in the still unpacked removal boxes > after 11 months). > > However, such books (mine was a paperback the size of a Squadron In Action > volume) are available from art supply stores. I don't recall what it is > called, but I bought it because of a large section discussing the colour > permanance of various pigments and vehicles. > > It may be easier for me to go back to the art store - a good excuse to find > new materials for the hobby. > > Shane > ************************************************************** > The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential > and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). > If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution > or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are > requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems > to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. > E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. > ************************************************************** -- roguerpj "Its not you. My spell checker couldn't figure it out either." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 18:22:49 -0500 From: "K. Hagerup" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: smperry@mindspring.com Message-ID: <3803C2C9.5B3F@prodigy.net> Steve, Nice work! It's motivated me to try something similar with the Toko KD. Ken smperry@mindspring.com wrote: > > Photos of this weekend's obsession may be viewed at: > > http://smperry.home.mindspring.com/gallery.htm > > It didn't have to be pretty, it just had to be done in 2 days. > > sp > > E-mail smperry@mindspring.com > Web Site http://smperry.home.mindspring.com/PWWIP.htm ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1918 **********************