WWI Digest 1914 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: The Camel Has Landed by Shane & Lorna Jenkins 2) Re: Wings 48 Decals by "PETER LEONARD" 3) Re: Nailing a Myth. The Voss Rudder by "Len Smith" 4) Re: Another update by ERIC HIGHT 5) Re: Nailing a Myth. The Voss Rudder by Mike Fletcher 6) Re: The Camel Has Landed by "Courtney Allen" 7) Re: WWI digest 1913 by "Nigel Rayner" 8) Re: WWI digest 1913 by "PETER LEONARD" 9) Re: The Camel Has Landed by Tom Solinski 10) Re: Another update by Matthew E Bittner 11) Re: The Camel Has Landed by Matthew E Bittner 12) Re: The Camel Has Landed by "Steve" 13) Re: WWI digest 1913 by Pedro e Francisca 14) Another web update by Matthew E Bittner 15) Re: The Camel Has Landed by Pedro e Francisca 16) Re: The Camel Has Landed by Mike Fletcher 17) eduard by Dale Beamish <31241054@3web.net> 18) Re: eduard by "PETER LEONARD" 19) Re: Nailing a Myth. The Voss Rudder by Dave Watts 20) Re: eduard by Albatrosdv@aol.com 21) A Final Word On My E-Mail Hijack by Albatrosdv@aol.com 22) Re: The Camel Has Landed by roguerpj 23) Re: The Camel Has Landed by REwing@aol.com 24) RE: The Camel Has Landed by Shane Weier 25) Re: The Camel Has Landed by Pedro e Francisca 26) Re: The Camel Has Landed by "Steve" 27) Re: The Camel Has Landed by "Sandy Adam" 28) Re: Nailing a Myth. The Voss Rudder by "Sandy Adam" 29) Region II biplanes categories by Michael Kendix 30) Re: Region II biplanes categories by Ernest Thomas 31) Re: Region II biplanes categories by Matthew E Bittner 32) French site question by Matthew E Bittner ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 02:34:28 +1000 From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins To: WW1 posts Subject: Re: The Camel Has Landed Message-ID: <37FF6E94.5D017F9B@tac.com.au> Steve, Congratulations on a great looking model. It's a fabulous scheme but *really* is a painting challenge. I love it Lorna ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 09:32:52 PDT From: "PETER LEONARD" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Wings 48 Decals Message-ID: <19991009163252.71436.qmail@hotmail.com> Matt....>>Why not build it into a French Escadrille machine? << Given the subject matter of at least one of my web sites this is becoming a distinct possibility. Peter ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 17:33:33 +0100 From: "Len Smith" To: Subject: Re: Nailing a Myth. The Voss Rudder Message-ID: <000e01bf1274$0ae43ee0$59847ed4@lensmith> Peter, Worked OK for me two minutes ago. Regards Len. lensmith@clara.net http://home.clara.net/lensmith ----- Original Message ----- From: PETER LEONARD To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Saturday, October 09, 1999 12:35 PM Subject: Re: Nailing a Myth. The Voss Rudder > >From: Ernest Thomas > >Reply-To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > >To: Multiple recipients of list > >Subject: Re: Nailing a Myth. The Voss Rudder > >Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 01:47:39 -0400 (EDT) > > > >PETER LEONARD wrote: > > > > > I have been sent the following photo from a man whos opinions on the > >matter > > > I respect. http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com/rudder-2.jpg > > > >Hey man, no fair posting links to a site that 'doesn't answer, or the > >server may be down'. > >E. > > > WORKS FINE HERE ERNEST > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 10:00:19 -0700 From: ERIC HIGHT To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Another update Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19991009100019.00ac55e0@pop.amug.org> matt, i couldn't open up your site. i'll try later and let you know. is it a slow loader? peter, the site comes thru loud and clear in the wilds of az. here's my two cents worth on clear fiishes. i have used dunn & edwards semi-gloss furniture laquer for years. ground glass is added to gloss laquer to dull it down. the more glass the duller the finish. if you don't mix the "glass" the laquer is gloss. i have put this over evry kind of paint and had no problems. you have to make sure the paint is really dry and use light build up coats so the laquer does not have time to "eat" into the paint before it drys. the thing i love about laquer is that it drys very fast. laquer drys from the outside in as opposed to enamel which drys from the inside out. if you get milking of a laquer finish(clear or colored) it means that the laquer skimmed and trapped moisture underneath hence the milk. there are a couple of ways to remedy this, one is respray quickly as ernie suggested, this opens up the skin and allows the the moister to escape. the other way which is the real fix is use retarder in your laquer. this does exactly what the name infers, it retards (slows)the time the laquer takes to dry thus letting all the moisture escape before it gets trapped and turns milky. i buy my retarder at dunn & edwards. any good automotive paint supply should carry laquer retarder. i used to refinish furniture in new england and we went thru gallons of retarder in the summer. i don't have a humidity problem here but i still use retarder. also by slowing the drying time a bit it also give the laquer time to self level there by giving a glass smooth finish. laquer can be put over any paint as long the paint is properly cured. i know some people may not agree but i have done it for years. it cleans up easy and never clogs the the air brush. well have at it! eric ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 13:12:28 -0400 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Nailing a Myth. The Voss Rudder Message-ID: <37FF777C.B2ADFAB5@home.com> Works in Ottawa with NS 4.5 on cable :-) The problem isn't with the browser but with the network connection. Try it at night and if that still won't work someone will have to email it to you. Brad Gossen wrote: > > Peter > > Doesn't work in Toronto either. Thanks for trying though. > > Brad > > ---------- > > From: PETER LEONARD > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: Re: Nailing a Myth. The Voss Rudder > > Date: Saturday, October 09, 1999 8:09 AM > > > > Still working here guys, even the copies pasted into your replies are > > working. I run IE4 and NS4. Anyone else have a problem? > > > > Peter > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- Mike Fletcher ___ ., mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; nieuport@home.com |--n--""*" mikef@sparc.nic.bc.ca @ icq=19554083 Black holes are where God divided by zero. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 10:30:55 -0700 From: "Courtney Allen" To: Subject: Re: The Camel Has Landed Message-ID: <001d01bf127c$0c0ebb80$c641480c@courtney> Very impressive. Finish product is well worth your effort. Continue the great work. Courtney ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Saturday, October 09, 1999 7:51 AM Subject: The Camel Has Landed > I finally finished the 1:72 Ruston - built Camel. I posted the final pics to > the build through, rather than adding a separate page, so it may take a bit > of time to load. > After nearly 2 months on the one paint job, I've picked a Nieuport 26c in > plain linen for my next project. > Scho > http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~scho.deni > http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~scho.deni/ruston.htm > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 19:33:08 +0100 From: "Nigel Rayner" To: Subject: Re: WWI digest 1913 Message-ID: <002e01bf1284$bc43b480$ae2d883e@nigelr> Pedro asked: >Anyone care to add her/his 20 something here, because this is something that >really has intrigued me over the years (I still have a bunch of acrylics tubes >somewhere, waiting to be used...) And I care to add (FWIW...) I've been using acrylics and oils for figure painting for many years, and the transparency of the paints over a white primer is an issue. Simple answer - a coat of enamel in an appropriate shade before applying acrylic or oil does the trick (e.g. dark blue for a Fr Grenadier jacket). I tried the same trick on my chequerboard EV for the wing, and it worked fine. I like acrylics because of the colour range and the fact they go on well with a brush (yup, I don't use an airbrush....). Regards, Nigel still nb: Flashback Berg (tail feathers and lower wings now attached) still nu: Toko HB D1 (but getting twitchy after reading Scho's build report on his web page...) nwee (next wallet-emptying experience): UK Nats soon. I hear the Eduard siren song already..... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 11:56:08 PDT From: "PETER LEONARD" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: WWI digest 1913 Message-ID: <19991009185608.50699.qmail@hotmail.com> Nigel...>>nwee (next wallet-emptying experience): UK Nats soon. I hear the Eduard siren song already.....<< Just like waiting for Christmas isn't it Nigel. I'm trying very hard to persuade myself that anyone who already has an Aurora Breguet taking up loft space has no need of a new one with all the etched brass and resin bells and whistles. It's not working;¬) Peter ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 11:26:02 -0500 From: Tom Solinski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The Camel Has Landed Message-ID: <37FF6C9A.F54E9CDF@ionet.net> In the fine tradition of the list; the blue is too green, the green is too blue the yellow has too much red and I will forever be green with envy of our FANTASTIC painting skills. WELL DONE!!! But what about the undersides? Tom S ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 16:16:42 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Another update Message-ID: <19991009.162054.-185075.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Sat, 9 Oct 1999 13:10:10 -0400 (EDT) ERIC HIGHT writes: > i couldn't open up your site. i'll try later and let you know. is > it a > slow loader? It's been pretty speedy for me, both on a T1 and a 56K modem. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 16:12:02 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The Camel Has Landed Message-ID: <19991009.162054.-185075.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Sat, 9 Oct 1999 10:50:36 -0400 (EDT) "Steve" writes: > I finally finished the 1:72 Ruston - built Camel. I posted the final > pics to > the build through, rather than adding a separate page, so it may > take a bit > of time to load. Wow. Another extremely colorful Camel. Excellent job! We should put yours and Pedro's side by side. Definitely a case to decrease the brightness on your monitor. :-) Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 23:15:19 +0100 From: "Steve" To: Subject: Re: The Camel Has Landed Message-ID: <001301bf12a3$c6bb5c00$c7e307c3@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Solinski To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Saturday, October 09, 1999 8:24 PM Subject: Re: The Camel Has Landed > In the fine tradition of the list; > the blue is too green, the green is too blue the yellow has too much red > and I will forever be green with envy of our FANTASTIC painting skills. > WELL DONE!!! But what about the undersides? > > Tom S > Tom, I will turn the model over, and take a photo just for you. I hope that don't sound too rude. You're right about the colours. Or Possibly not. I've got a colour photo of the original machine ;-) Scho http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~scho.deni (add /ruston.htm) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 23:49:13 +0100 From: Pedro e Francisca To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: WWI digest 1913 Message-ID: <37FFC668.FF68A157@mail.telepac.pt> Nigel Rayner wrote: > Pedro asked: > > >Anyone care to add her/his 20 something here, because this is something > that > >really has intrigued me over the years (I still have a bunch of acrylics > tubes > >somewhere, waiting to be used...) > > And I care to add (FWIW...) > > I've been using acrylics and oils for figure painting for many years, and > the transparency of the paints over a white primer is an issue. Simple > answer - a coat of enamel in an appropriate shade before applying acrylic or > oil does the trick (e.g. dark blue for a Fr Grenadier jacket). Nigel, Thanks for the input. That's waht I thought would work, but the lazy sod in me say, what's the advantage of using accylics if first you have to paint all the model in the right colour enamel.... so I gave up. Maybe I'll try it again some time though. Um abraço Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 17:48:30 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Another web update Message-ID: <19991009.174831.-133847.0.mbittner@juno.com> Thanks to Len Smith, I have updated all 1/72nd model pages on the French site. I'm getting really close to completion on these pages, I think. >From when I deliver to Al, I'll be just updating with new info. Again, I'm still looking for someone of the outspoken :-) 1/48th brethren to update a bunch of stuff... Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 23:52:45 +0100 From: Pedro e Francisca To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The Camel Has Landed Message-ID: <37FFC73D.234B7B06@mail.telepac.pt> Matthew E Bittner wrote: > > Wow. Another extremely colorful Camel. Excellent job! > > We should put yours and Pedro's side by side. Definitely a case to > decrease the brightness on your monitor. :-) Yes, but Steve's clearly outshines mine. He's Camel is a truly superb job. I told Steve, maybe we could get a site sponsored by SAMI, since that's where we both got our inspiration for the models. ;-) On that article there are 2 more very pretty Camels. Anyone wanting to join in the fun? Um abraço Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 19:13:32 -0400 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The Camel Has Landed Message-ID: <37FFCC1C.4A559A9C@home.com> Mac displays colours from a PC too bright and PC's display colours from a Mac too dark... Colours look good on my PC though - great job! I had the same trouble with inks on my RNAS Nieuport 11 conversion but I wasn't able to correct it properly so it ended up looking dirty (but it doesn't show in the pictures) > Tom, I will turn the model over, and take a photo just for you. I hope that > don't sound too rude. > You're right about the colours. > Or Possibly not. > I've got a colour photo of the original machine ;-) > Scho > http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~scho.deni > > (add /ruston.htm) -- Mike Fletcher ___ ., mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; nieuport@home.com |--n--""*" mikef@sparc.nic.bc.ca @ icq=19554083 Black holes are where God divided by zero. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 18:08:33 -0600 From: Dale Beamish <31241054@3web.net> To: List Subject: eduard Message-ID: <37FFD8FF.C7CB9513@3web.net> Could anyone tell me if there is a difference between the Alb D3 basic kit and the Alb OAW? Just the rudder? Are the kits the same? Dale ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 17:13:33 PDT From: "PETER LEONARD" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: eduard Message-ID: <19991010001333.39660.qmail@hotmail.com> Except for the decals exactly the same Dale. My Eduard DIII also has the OAW rudder as an optional part. Peter ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 19:31:57 -0500 From: Dave Watts To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Nailing a Myth. The Voss Rudder Message-ID: <199910100032.TAA35298@ind.cioe.com> Hi Peter, Worked for me last night. I haven't given it a try today. I believe that you received these from Mark Parnel. I visited him at his home a couple of weeks ago, and we went down to U.T. of Dallas to see the Ferko collection. Great stuff, we only spent one day there from opening to closing and could barely scratch the surface of the material, and I was confining my studies to the German information. I shared all of my information on Fokker Dr.I with Mark. He looked at Dan Abbott's new drawings, and compared them with other work done by Redfern, and other more modern studies. Mark is looking at these rudders in a very detailed manner. Mark is awaiting copies of the X-ray done by IWM. I, as well, am interested in seeing these. A few insights that I can share at this time is that we are finding what appears to be two different hinge designs on Dr.I rudders. It appears that early Dr.I hinges had what I will loosely term as a insert piece, where as late Dr.I and D.VII hinges have collars with bent back center retainers. This is all tentative of course. One other "revelation" that I feel pretty comfortable in calling a firm speculation, is on the top of the rudder post. Instead of the outer rudder tubing just welding to the top of the rudder post, it appears, (in the following of Fokker's standard welding construction techniques), that there is a "T" tube acting as a sleeve for the outer rudder tubing, and the outer tubing is not welded in place. Fokker never liked to weld in the center of a tube, since it weakened it, and this follows those practices. It may even be that the tubes that attach to the trailing edge of the rudder also utilize this "T" sleeve. If we follow this further, it may be that the elevator spar tube ends also attach to the outline tubing in this same "T" sleeve manner. One way of confirming the use of the "T" sleeve on the rudder is, if you look at the photos of the captured/recovered and picked over 425/17 fuselage, you can see in one photo that the rudder is in perfect shape, (other than being stripped of it's fabric), and in a photo taken very soon after, the top of the rudder has been squashed down. I believe this has occurred not by someone leaning on top of the rudder, but by someone tugging and pulling at the rear of the rudder, causing the outline tubing to slide in the upper center post "T" sleeve, and deforming the top of the rudder flat, (and causing a shortening of the front of the rudder profile). Mark has another photo of 425/17's rudder when it was separate and on a white background with a tag attached. In this photo the squashed outer rudder tube has broken just aft of the center rudder post, and while the photo is not very sharp, it shows by the break being aft of the post, it supports the idea of a "T" sleeve, and as well as can be discerned it looks like the correct proportions of a "T" sleeve at the top of the rudder post. The photos of MvR's wrecked 425/17 were fantastically clear and sharp. Also in this Dr.I portfolio book there was a small envelope with piece of fabric from the plane. I asked the curator to remove it and put in a note to ask to see it, or it would certainly disappear. They put it in the vault. Mark and I have some other ideas on the rudder but want to mull it over a bit before we throw it out as a serious theory. I'd like to hear any feedback on this before I start in with other ideas. Best Wishes, Dave Watts At 08:09 AM 10/9/99 -0400, you wrote: >Still working here guys, even the copies pasted into your replies are >working. I run IE4 and NS4. Anyone else have a problem? > >Peter > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 20:58:03 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: eduard Message-ID: <0.eea07aa1.25313e9b@aol.com> In a message dated 99-10-09 20:14:48 EDT, you write: << Except for the decals exactly the same Dale. My Eduard DIII also has the OAW rudder as an optional part. >> There is the additional factor that the radiator is not centrally-mounted on the Albatros D.III (OAW) kit. Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 20:59:53 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: A Final Word On My E-Mail Hijack Message-ID: <0.58f166a2.25313f09@aol.com> Dear List Members: Last week when I announced that my e-mail address had been hijacked and used to post malicious messages, I stated my fear that the person responsible for this act might be a recipient of the announcement, i.e., that the perpetrator was a member of this list. This is to inform everyone that due to the fact that the recipient of the malicious e-mail was unable to provide me a complete copy of it, with the headers that would have allowed it to be tracked down, and from conversations with other people, I do not believe my statement last week was factual as to a possible perpetrator. I specifically no longer consider the person who I was thinking of as a possible perpetrator. Any speculation by any member of the list regarding any other unnamed member of the list would be damaging to the integrity of this community, and I hereby state that there is no evidence to support such speculation and that it should cease (assuming it was important enough to be going on in the first place). I have put this matter behind me at this time and shall say no more about it. I regret any inconvenience the statement last week may have caused any list members. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 20:56:00 -0500 From: roguerpj To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The Camel Has Landed Message-ID: <37FFF230.9C97C330@black-hole.com> Steve, Great looking Camel. It looks like you relay had fun. rob johnson Shane & Lorna Jenkins wrote: > > Steve, > > Congratulations on a great looking model. It's a fabulous scheme but > *really* is a painting challenge. I love it > > Lorna -- roguerpj "Its not you. My spell checker couldn't figure it out either." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 00:41:40 EDT From: REwing@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The Camel Has Landed Message-ID: <0.62935095.25317304@aol.com> What SAMI article was this? I'd like to see the the others also. Can you tell me the issue this article came from? Thanks!!! -Rick- << I told Steve, maybe we could get a site sponsored by SAMI, since that's where we both got our inspiration for the models. ;-) >> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 15:22:46 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: The Camel Has Landed Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD475BF3@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Scho, > I finally finished the 1:72 Ruston - built Camel. Wonderful. Have now decided that my determination to build RFC/RAF machines only in the "proper" colours might need slight modification when the long awaited Eduard arrives. Too, too, grouse. Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 10:19:47 +0100 From: Pedro e Francisca To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The Camel Has Landed Message-ID: <38005A33.BF8D2CDC@mail.telepac.pt> REwing@aol.com wrote: > What SAMI article was this? I'd like to see the the others also. Can > you tell me the issue this article came from? Thanks!!! > -Rick- > > << I told Steve, maybe we could get a site sponsored by SAMI, since that's > where we both got our inspiration for the models. ;-) > >> Rick Vol2, n.10 - October 96. HTH Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 10:19:58 +0100 From: "Steve" To: Subject: Re: The Camel Has Landed Message-ID: <008601bf130a$f9e37f60$95e107c3@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Sunday, October 10, 1999 5:41 AM Subject: Re: The Camel Has Landed > What SAMI article was this? I'd like to see the the others also. Can > you tell me the issue this article came from? Thanks!!! > -Rick- SAMI October 1996, PG Cooksley's article 'Those Colourful Camels.' If you're completely mad, you could have a go at F4017. Captain L.P.Coombes' ship has the most outrageous colour scheme EVER. Scho http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~scho.deni > > << I told Steve, maybe we could get a site sponsored by SAMI, since that's > where we both got our inspiration for the models. ;-) > >> > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 11:50:55 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: The Camel Has Landed Message-ID: <003c01bf130d$57511f20$08e8b094@sandyada> Scho, lovely job on the Camel - inspirational. I've been thinking about this one for my fourth BM hybrid for some time but could anticipate possible problems like ink lines running etc. Thank you for sharing the results of all your hard work - and congrats on the finished model. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 11:55:12 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Nailing a Myth. The Voss Rudder Message-ID: <006d01bf130e$a1acf5c0$08e8b094@sandyada> Works fine here. Peter. Are these both sides of the same rudder? The port side cross seems much smaller than starboard (- measured on screen with calipers) I can understand the different colours due to fading or photolight but thought crosses would have been same dimensions. Sandy -----Original Message----- From: PETER LEONARD To: Multiple recipients of list Date: 09 October 1999 12:38 Subject: Re: Nailing a Myth. The Voss Rudder >>From: Ernest Thomas >>Reply-To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >>To: Multiple recipients of list >>Subject: Re: Nailing a Myth. The Voss Rudder >>Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 01:47:39 -0400 (EDT) >> >>PETER LEONARD wrote: >> >> > I have been sent the following photo from a man whos opinions on the >>matter >> > I respect. http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com/rudder-2.jpg >> >>Hey man, no fair posting links to a site that 'doesn't answer, or the >>server may be down'. >>E. >> >WORKS FINE HERE ERNEST > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 07:57:31 EDT From: Michael Kendix To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Region II biplanes categories Message-ID: <19991010.075115.4455.0.mkendix@juno.com> The Region II Convention was a success, held Friday and Saturday in Gaithersburg, Maryland. There were a total of 449 entries; one bloke brought 27 kits - obviously there was a flat rate charge, rather than a per-kit entry fee! The biplanes/rigged aircraft categories were quite well represented. Twelve kits were built for the 1/72nd scale and five for 1/48th scale. The winner in 1/72nd was an immaculate Ansaldo Baby that had the Eduard Sopwith Baby's wings, a Roseplane fuselage and scratchbuilt tail pieces. Second, was an Airfix Rolland C.II in the purple green camouflage. Third, was your's truly's Stark D.VII. Best OOB was a Breda 27 kit (Chemory (sp?)). Other entrants included Toko's Snipe, SSW D.IV and W.29, plus Tripehound (Revell), Bucker Br 32 (Heller), Nieuport 27 (Meikraft - great job on that kit), Grummond Duck (Airfix) and another Airfix Roland C.II in the blue/wash/splotch camouflage. In 1/48, the winner was a Smer Fokker D.VII with the candy stripe top wing, second was a DML Fokker Dr.1. I forget the 3rd place but the other entries were another DML Dr.1, a Copper State W-4 and another Smer D.VII. I did on-the-job-training for judging, which was quite the learning experience, to say the least. I also spent enough dough to seriously jeopardize my financial situation, meaning I need to go to the "Container Store" to get another one of those big plastic boxes to put kits in, and I have to find more shelf space for some new Datafiles. Michael ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 07:24:46 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Region II biplanes categories Message-ID: <3800858E.33AD@bellsouth.net> Michael Kendix wrote: >Third, was your's truly's Stark D.VII. Let me be the first to say conga-rats. E. I am. I think. I will. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 09:35:09 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Region II biplanes categories Message-ID: <19991010.093514.-243117.3.mbittner@juno.com> On Sun, 10 Oct 1999 07:59:28 -0400 (EDT) Michael Kendix writes: > (Heller), Nieuport 27 (Meikraft - great job on that kit), Grummond Ok. Help me out here. I didn't think Meikraft did a Nie.27. Could it be Roseplane, or HR? Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 09:41:42 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: French site question Message-ID: <19991010.094143.-241337.0.mbittner@juno.com> Since I would like to eventually get to all known WW1 French model aircraft, what would people like to see I cover next? Caudron? Bleriot? What? Whatever people think I should cover next I may. If not, I'm tempted to start with Caudron. However, what there is now will be sent to Al soon. The way I'm approaching it for the near future is the sprintmail site will contain that which I am working on - and will not be too permanent since my wife wants to take the site over at some point. Al's site will be the one that I consider in some sort of final phaze. Sure, maybe not perfect, or up to date at that point, but relatively safe from "bugs". :-) Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1914 **********************