WWI Digest 1907 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Eduard Neiuport 23 by Mike Fletcher 2) refining vac fuselage corners by Joey Valenciano 3) Re: Manufacturers comments WAS: Best kit by Joey Valenciano 4) Re: Manufacturers comments WAS: Best kit by smperry@mindspring.com 5) Vac kits comments by "dfernet0" 6) Re: Manufacturers comments WAS: Best kit by smperry@mindspring.com 7) Re: Manufacturers comments WAS: Best kit by "Sandy Adam" 8) Re: Best Kit by "Len Smith" 9) Re: Beardmore engine colours by "Len Smith" 10) Re: Vac kits comments by Ernest Thomas 11) Re: Vac kits comments by "PETER LEONARD" 12) Re: Manufacturers comments WAS: Best kit by Ernest Thomas 13) Re: refining vac fuselage corners by Ernest Thomas 14) Re: Best Kit by Matthew E Bittner 15) Re: Vac kits comments by Matthew E Bittner 16) Re: Vac kits comments by Albatrosdv@aol.com 17) Re: Vac kits comments by Albatrosdv@aol.com 18) Re: Vac kits comments by "PETER LEONARD" 19) Re: Vac kits comments by "Mark L. Shannon" 20) Re: Vac kits comments by "PETER LEONARD" 21) vac kit comments VERSION 2.0 by "dfernet0" 22) Re: vac kit comments VERSION 2.0 by "Lance Krieg" 23) VERSION 2.0 (short) by "dfernet0" 24) Re: Vac kits comments by Albatrosdv@aol.com 25) Re: Vac kits comments by Albatrosdv@aol.com 26) Version 2.0 by CTJDavies@aol.com 27) Re: Vac kits comments by KarrArt@aol.com 28) Version 2.0 by CTJDavies@aol.com 29) Re: Vac kits comments by "Michael Kendix" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 11:22:22 -0400 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Eduard Neiuport 23 Message-ID: <37FB692E.E0DA870B@home.com> according to my files it was a N.17 at Triest - there was a photo in Cross and Cockade (no idea which one though), however it could just as easily have been a 23. -- Mike Fletcher ___ ., mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; nieuport@home.com |--n--""*" mikef@sparc.nic.bc.ca @ icq=19554083 Black holes are where God divided by zero. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 00:24:46 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: refining vac fuselage corners Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19991006002446.00a0a100@philonline.com> refining corners/edges ********************************** The problem with vacforming is that due to the moulding process, you end up with corners that are not quite crisp, they're usually a bit blunt or rounded. For example, imagine below the cross section of a slab sided fuselage half: *________ | | the corners marked by "*" are usually | round, not crisp. | | |________ * 1) Cut a thin strip of plastic card, .05mm thickness should be sufficient 2) Using CA, glue the strip along the length of the corner 3) When the CA is dry, use a file to remove excess glue and plastic card. Go easy with the file and make sure that the file travels flat along the surface of the slab side. 4) Finish off with sandpaper. You will be amazed at how big a difference the refined corners will look. ********************************** PS I've used the technique on my Sierra Lloyd C.V * The corner refining really improved the look of the fuselage, sharp as the corners of any injection moulded kit but with the advantage of having thin fuselage walls you get from a vac. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 00:29:08 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Manufacturers comments WAS: Best kit Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19991006002908.00a0a100@philonline.com> >I have 4 kits from Sierra.... >The struts are also on the vac sheet, which I have doubts about. Use them as patterns for carving bamboo. >The Aeroclub detail bits are nice, but the Sierra >injected bits are some of the crudest things I've ever seen. Maybe >they'll clean up ok. They will. They seemed crude to me too until I sanded away the seam and painted them. It seems that the semi opaque plastic makes the peices look crude, that's all. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 12:51:46 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: Manufacturers comments WAS: Best kit Message-ID: <000e01bf101b$148b5420$15fe45cf@default> >Don't know what kind of prices he >has on 1/72 as I don't bother with such trivial scales. >E Oh so that's why you had such a quick and informed tip on the construction of the 1:72 Toko Snipe LG. Gotta watch those Bi-scalar tendencies Ernie. Next thing you know you'll be ordering kits regardless of scale, just because you think they would be fun to build. ;-) sp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 13:51:27 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: "WW1 modeling Mail List" Subject: Vac kits comments Message-ID: <002701bf101b$08628920$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Hi fellers Here's what I have (until now) on complementary comments about manufacturers of WW1 vac kits. Some manufacturers are list members as well. The comments below are extracted from the previous postings from various modelers who have built or seen or bought the kits. I've added some other brands that I remember or from web sites, but as Peter have pointed, many are out of production by now. Please feel free to intervene or modify what's in this message (even if you are one of these manufacturers). Remember that we're looking for general information more than criticism or praise! Once I gather a consistent body of comments I'll send it to Allan to update the webpage. If this gathering method works, I'll start with resin kits comments. Thank you for the help D. - Aeroclub: ? - Airframe: Vacuforms. I don't know if they're still on production. They had a Ansaldo S.V.A.5 and a Rumpler Taube in 1/72. I have the Taube and it is a very basic starting point for a model. - Classic Plane: Vacuforms. Very accurate. Only marginally inferior to Roseplane and Sierra Scale. Well priced, and most are available through Roll Models http://www.rollmodels.com/ . - D & M Dane Plane: I don't know how these are. I've found it at Hannant's - Falcon: ? - ID Models: They had an Albatros vac in 1/32, don't they? - Joystick: Vacuforms. Some molds be prepared to spend a lot of work on. A lot of the detail is very soft, and a couple of the kits I have are littered with "pip" marks. No info about current availability nor price. - Koster Aero Enterprises: Vacuforms. Great kits and nifty bits to doll 'em up. - Roseplane: Vacuforms. Very good/excellent quality. They supply a lot of the smaller parts in resin. They can be bought from the manufacturer (list member Barry Stettler) at Rosemont Hobby Shop http://www.swiftsite.com/rosemonthobby/ - Rareplane: ? - Sanger (ex Contrail): Vacuforms in 1/24 scale.I don't know how these are. I've found them at Hannant's too. - Sierra Scale: Vacuforms. Good quality. Construction shouldn't be hard because the plastic they're made from is pretty thick. Sierra's vac parts include bulkheads and formers. The struts are also on the vac sheet. The Aeroclub white metal detail bits are nice, but the Sierra injected bits look crude. It seems that the semi opaque plastic makes the pieces look bad, but they're OK.. - Tom Modelworks: I remember that someone once said that were quite good, but they have declined. - Warbirds: ? - Xtravac: ? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 12:56:21 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: Manufacturers comments WAS: Best kit Message-ID: <002901bf101b$b811d100$15fe45cf@default> >They will. They seemed crude to me too until I sanded away the seam and >painted them. It seems that the semi opaque plastic makes the peices look >crude, that's all. Joey's right, the translucent plastic looks way cruder than it is. A little cleanup and a coat of paint and you will be amazed at the difference. sp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 17:46:49 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Manufacturers comments WAS: Best kit Message-ID: <006901bf101b$dc523640$1de8b094@sandyada> Well you can still get Tom's fairly easily and Wings 48 still do their Salmson (excellent) and S4C Sandy -----Original Message----- From: dfernet0 To: Multiple recipients of list Date: 06 October 1999 12:06 Subject: Manufacturers comments WAS: Best kit >Hi list >By now, the vac manufactures currently on bussines are these: >- Classic Plane >- Joystick >- Roseplane >- Sierra Scale >General consensus on the list points that both Roseplane and Sierra Scale >have good quality products, are accurate, and are available at their >websites. How about the ease of construction? Would anyone comment on the >other two manufacturers? Some kits of these four are highly reccommended or >worth improving? Are these kits reasonably priced? >D. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Matthew E Bittner >To: Multiple recipients of list >Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 7:16 PM >Subject: Re: Best Kit > > >> On Tue, 5 Oct 1999 13:05:28 -0400 (EDT) "Len Smith" >> writes: >> >> > Problem is most of the vacform manufacturers have long since gone to >> > the >> > great workbench in the sky! >> > About the only two major players left are Roseplanes in the States >> > and >> > Joystick over here. The older ones can still be found sometimes at >> > shows or >> > aerojumble sales, so then you can see what you are buying. Not much >> > help, I >> > am afraid. >> >> Sierra Scale is still around, as is Classic Plane in Germany. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 18:03:39 +0100 From: "Len Smith" To: Subject: Re: Best Kit Message-ID: <003801bf101c$e3aa9800$c4857ed4@lensmith> Matt, Hannants are selling off Classic Plane vacs as discontinued, hopefully I will see Defter Schorsch at our Nats and get more info. As you say Sierra Scale is still around but with a limited range in the proper scale. Regards Len. lensmith@clara.net http://home.clara.net/lensmith ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew E Bittner To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 11:16 PM Subject: Re: Best Kit > On Tue, 5 Oct 1999 13:05:28 -0400 (EDT) "Len Smith" > writes: > > > Problem is most of the vacform manufacturers have long since gone to > > the > > great workbench in the sky! > > About the only two major players left are Roseplanes in the States > > and > > Joystick over here. The older ones can still be found sometimes at > > shows or > > aerojumble sales, so then you can see what you are buying. Not much > > help, I > > am afraid. > > Sierra Scale is still around, as is Classic Plane in Germany. > > > Matt Bittner > http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook > http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 18:03:42 +0100 From: "Len Smith" To: Subject: Re: Beardmore engine colours Message-ID: <003901bf101c$e50b1260$c4857ed4@lensmith> Sandy, No Dinner for me this year, hopefully next year I shall be there for the whole weekend. Regards Len. lensmith@clara.net http://home.clara.net/lensmith ----- Original Message ----- From: Sandy Adam To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 6:18 PM Subject: Re: Beardmore engine colours > I hope to be there both days,so I'll see what I can organise. Are you going > to the Annual Dinner on Sat night? > Sandy > -----Original Message----- > From: Len Smith > To: Multiple recipients of list > Date: 05 October 1999 18:11 > Subject: Re: Beardmore engine colours > > > >Sandy, > >Yes,it is the right engine, 10 cylinders in two banks. Scan or photocopy > >would be ideal for me, whichever is easier for you. Are you going to the > >Nats on the Saturday {assuming you can get through Immigration Control, I > >hear they are getting tough:-)) } if so I could pick up a copy then. > > > >Regards Len. > > > >lensmith@clara.net > >http://home.clara.net/lensmith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 12:07:02 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Vac kits comments Message-ID: <37FB81B6.31DC@bellsouth.net> D, I forgot to add that the surface detail on Sierra vacs was surprisingly well executed. E. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 10:08:59 PDT From: "PETER LEONARD" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Vac kits comments Message-ID: <19991006170900.15047.qmail@hotmail.com> I can comment on two of those. First the ID Alb DV (OOP) Imagine if you will an Aurora Albatros somehow grown to 1/32, basic and not very accurate. Falcon's ot 1/48 stuff is excellent, and their 1/32 DVIII is up to standard. Also out there are 1/24 SE5, Alb DV, and Nie 17. Can't remember by whom at the moment, but they are very good Peter ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 12:12:26 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Manufacturers comments WAS: Best kit Message-ID: <37FB82FA.2337@bellsouth.net> smperry@mindspring.com wrote: > Oh so that's why you had such a quick and informed tip on the construction > of the 1:72 Toko Snipe LG. > I only know that from being a prostitute. > Gotta watch those Bi-scalar tendencies Ernie. Next thing you know you'll be > ordering kits regardless of scale, just because you think they would be fun > to build. ;-) > It'll never happen. Oops, did I say never. I meant most likely never happen. E. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 12:16:59 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: refining vac fuselage corners Message-ID: <37FB840B.2EFB@bellsouth.net> Joey Valenciano wrote: > > refining corners/edges Thanks Joey. So do you glue the strip to the top, the side, or sort of on the rounded corner at a diagonal? E. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 12:14:49 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Best Kit Message-ID: <19991006.121455.-26273.2.mbittner@juno.com> On Wed, 6 Oct 1999 13:03:54 -0400 (EDT) "Len Smith" writes: > Hannants are selling off Classic Plane vacs as discontinued, > hopefully I > will see Defter Schorsch at our Nats and get more info. As you say > Sierra > Scale is still around but with a limited range in the proper scale. Bummer. Yes, please let us know what he has to say. I know a couple of his vacs he turned into resin, but I haven't seen any of them. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 12:13:50 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Vac kits comments Message-ID: <19991006.121455.-26273.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Wed, 6 Oct 1999 12:52:52 -0400 (EDT) "dfernet0" writes: > - Xtravac: ? Very nice. They only came out with four vacs that I know of, all Albatros: C.IX, C.XV, D.III, and J.II. Excellent detail with separate resin bits (which are now available through Paragon - the separate resin bits, that is :-). Others left off the list: Blue Rider Phoenix Eastern Models (only two made that I know of - MoS Type BB and DH.10) Formaplane Libramodels Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 13:22:20 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Vac kits comments Message-ID: <0.aedeb3fa.252cdf4c@aol.com> In a message dated 99-10-06 12:57:17 EDT, you write: << - Aeroclub: ? Aeroclub make excellent vacuforms, their limited-run kits are more reliable than others, their white metal is the best. - Airframe: Vacuforms. I don't know if they're still on production. They had a Ansaldo S.V.A.5 and a Rumpler Taube in 1/72. I have the Taube and it is a very basic starting point for a model. Dunno them. - Classic Plane: Vacuforms. Very accurate. Only marginally inferior to Roseplane and Sierra Scale. Well priced, and most are available through Roll Models http://www.rollmodels.com/ . Dunno them - D & M Dane Plane: I don't know how these are. I've found it at Hannant's - Falcon: ? Falcon's B.E.2c is the worst of their vacs, very early. *Lots* of work to get something only moderately acceptable. I will wait for Aeroclub's upcoming kit. The rest of the Falcon line is ot, but can be recommended highly. Things like their Hawker Seahawk and Supermarine Attacker cannot be found elsewhere and are great; their Spit XVIII is still the only accurate Griffon Spit other than the Airfix kits. Other stuff was good in its time and has been superceded by injection kits. He does all the Squadron canopies, for which I say - they're great. - ID Models: They had an Albatros vac in 1/32, don't they? ID models make Combat Models look good. Say no more. - Joystick: Vacuforms. Some molds be prepared to spend a lot of work on. A lot of the detail is very soft, and a couple of the kits I have are littered with "pip" marks. No info about current availability nor price. A waster of time and energy, these. - Koster Aero Enterprises: Vacuforms. Great kits and nifty bits to doll 'em up. If Aeroclub is the Rolls-Royce of vacs, and Falcon is the Bentley, KAE is the restored Duesenberg-J of vacuforms, at least for the stuff from the last 10 years. His WW1 vacs are the best 1/48 WW1 vacs I ever did and I did them all. HTH Tom Cleaver - Roseplane: Vacuforms. Very good/excellent quality. They supply a lot of the smaller parts in resin. They can be bought from the manufacturer (list member Barry Stettler) at Rosemont Hobby Shop http://www.swiftsite.com/rosemonthobby/ - Rareplane: ? - Sanger (ex Contrail): Vacuforms in 1/24 scale.I don't know how these are. I've found them at Hannant's too. - Sierra Scale: Vacuforms. Good quality. Construction shouldn't be hard because the plastic they're made from is pretty thick. Sierra's vac parts include bulkheads and formers. The struts are also on the vac sheet. The Aeroclub white metal detail bits are nice, but the Sierra injected bits look crude. It seems that the semi opaque plastic makes the pieces look bad, but they're OK.. - Tom Modelworks: I remember that someone once said that were quite good, but they have declined. - Warbirds: ? - Xtravac: ? >> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 13:25:10 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Vac kits comments Message-ID: <42c27996.252cdff6@aol.com> In a message dated 99-10-06 13:11:48 EDT, you write: << and their 1/32 DVIII is up to standard. >> I forgot to mention that, given I have eyes that can still work on 1/48. Expect a grand increase in 1/32 over the next 10 years as we of the "leading edge" of the reading glasses and magnifiers generation keep modeling. :-) I have seen this one done and it is good - the lozenge does cause problems for we who do not paint it. Be a good candidate for the "bumble bee" or the "checkerboard." Tom ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 10:37:18 PDT From: "PETER LEONARD" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Vac kits comments Message-ID: <19991006173719.9811.qmail@hotmail.com> Tom >>Falcon's B.E.2c is the worst of their vacs, very early. *Lots* of work to get something only moderately acceptable.<< How on earth could I have forgoten this one? Tom's assesment is correct, but I did manage to win the 1/48 Mannock with it in '95. So it can't be THAT difficult because I'm bone idle. I can add a comment on Warbirds. The Tommy and the Snipe were very dainty, and I should have the Junkers around here somewhere if it hasn't been scrounged by a visiting seventy twoer. Peter http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com PeterL@cwcom.net ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 12:52:34 -0500 From: "Mark L. Shannon" To: Subject: Re: Vac kits comments Message-ID: <199910061755.MAA18259@dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com> Could you be referring to Marco's Miniatures (?). I've seen a company something like that name advertised and reviewed. I think they've put out a Fokker D.VII and D.VIII in that scale, maybe a Sop. Triplane and I think a couple or three others. .Mark. ---------- > From: PETER LEONARD > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Vac kits comments > Date: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 12:09 PM > > > Also out there are 1/24 SE5, Alb DV, and Nie 17. Can't remember by whom at > the moment, but they are very good > > Peter > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 11:01:03 PDT From: "PETER LEONARD" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Vac kits comments Message-ID: <19991006180104.22929.qmail@hotmail.com> Mark..>>Could you be referring to Marco's Miniatures (?). << Nope, but you just found a bunch of others we'd all forgotten about Peter ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 15:00:15 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: "WW1 modeling Mail List" Subject: vac kit comments VERSION 2.0 Message-ID: <009601bf1024$a5050560$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Whew! what a response! Thanks for all who have helped me. You may notice that I've used your words sometimes, I hope that you don't have copyrighted your comments ;-) Please keep your messages coming, anyway, my lawyer will fix everything. Here you have version 2: - Aeroclub: vacuforms. Excellent quality. Their limited-run kits are more reliable than others, their white metal is the best. - Airframe: Vacuforms. I don't know if they're still on production. They had a Ansaldo S.V.A.5 and a Rumpler Taube in 1/72. I have the Taube and it is a very basic starting point for a model. - Blue Rider: ? - Classic Plane: Vacuforms. Very accurate. Only marginally inferior to Roseplane and Sierra Scale. Well priced, and most are available through Roll Models http://www.rollmodels.com/ Get yours, possibly out of bussiness. - D & M Dane Plane: I don't know how these are. I've found it at Hannant's -Eastern Models: (only two made that I know of - MoS Type BB and DH.10) What about them, Matt? - Falcon: Vacuform. Their 1/32 Fokker DVIII is very good. The lozenge does cause problems. A good candidate for Osterkampf's "bumble bee" or the "checkerboard." Falcon's B.E.2c is the worst of their vacs, very early. *Lots* of work to get something only moderately acceptable. - Formaplane: ? - ID Models: Alb DV (OOP) Imagine if you will an Aurora Albatros somehow grown to 1/32, basic and not very accurate. - Joystick: Vacuforms. Some molds be prepared to spend a lot of work on. A lot of the detail is very soft, and a couple of the kits I have are littered with "pip" marks. No info about current availability nor price. - Koster Aero Enterprises: Vacuforms. Great kits and nifty bits to doll 'em up. If Aeroclub is the Rolls-Royce of vacs, and Falcon is the Bentley, KAE is the restored Duesenberg-J of vacuforms, at least for the stuff from the last 10 years. -Libramodels: ? - Phoenix: ? - Roseplane: Vacuforms. Very good/excellent quality. They supply a lot of the smaller parts in resin. They can be bought from the manufacturer (list member Barry Stettler) at Rosemont Hobby Shop http://www.swiftsite.com/rosemonthobby/ - Rareplane: ? - Sanger (ex Contrail): Vacuforms in 1/24 scale.I don't know how these are. I've found them at Hannant's too. - Sierra Scale: Vacuforms. Good quality. The surface detail on Sierra vacs was surprisingly well executed. Construction shouldn't be hard because the plastic they're made from is pretty thick. Sierra's vac parts include bulkheads and formers. The struts are also on the vac sheet. The Aeroclub white metal detail bits are nice, but the Sierra injected bits look crude. It seems that the semi opaque plastic makes the pieces look bad, but they're OK.. - Tom Modelworks: I remember that someone once said that were quite good, but they have declined. - Warbirds: Vacuforms. The Tommy and the Snipe were very dainty. -Wings 48: Vacuforms. Very good quality in their Salmson and S4C - Xtravac: Vacuforms. Very nice quality. They only came out with few vacs, all Albatros: C.IX, C.XV, D.III, and J.II. Excellent detail with separate resin bits (resin bits are now available through Paragon). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 13:12:23 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: vac kit comments VERSION 2.0 Message-ID: Lonestar's stuff was/is largely vac, too, with resin components. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 15:11:39 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: VERSION 2.0 (short) Message-ID: <00a201bf1026$3c70f2a0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> In short, more is needed on: - Airframe: ? - Blue Rider: ? - D & M Dane Plane: I don't know how these are. I've found it at Hannant's -Eastern Models: (only two made that I know of - MoS Type BB and DH.10) What about them, Matt? - Formaplane: ? -Libramodels: ? - Marco Miniatures: ? - Phoenix: ? - Rareplane: ? - Sanger (ex Contrail): Vacuforms in 1/24 scale.I don't know how these are. I've found them at Hannant's too. - Tom Modelworks: I remember that someone once said that were quite good, but they have declined. Are they out of bussiness? I've never imagined how many OT manufacturers were! D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 14:14:30 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Vac kits comments Message-ID: <5a8549ac.252ceb86@aol.com> In a message dated 99-10-06 13:42:34 EDT, you write: << How on earth could I have forgoten this one? Tom's assesment is correct, but I did manage to win the 1/48 Mannock with it in '95. So it can't be THAT difficult because I'm bone idle. >> Sorry, Peter, you can't get off that easily. Remember, I have *seen* the Pfalz. If anyone could do it, a crazy Brit like yourself, operating the tradition of Shackleton and the general who ordered the charge of the Light Brigade, would be the one. :-) Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 14:16:32 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Vac kits comments Message-ID: Also, there is Lone Star Models who does WW1 vacuforms. These range from "improvement needed" to "acceptable." I do know I did two of his Snipes simultaneously - which I am informed by those with experience is quite an accomplishment (but the two collectors wanted them and the landlord wanted the rent, which can be quite a goad). His stuff is worth checking out. Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 14:36:39 EDT From: CTJDavies@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Version 2.0 Message-ID: <51da9c04.252cf0b7@aol.com> Classic Plane: The older ones are pretty crude. I've built the Floh and the Albatros D1, which were both very good. However I have seen his Berg D1 plus I have the DH1a and 1-1/2 Strutter and I don't think I'll ever bother. He surely is still very much in business, although I'm not too sure about recent releases. Falcon: I've seen the Be2 ... don't bother !!! Aeroclub: The only vacs I have are the Pup (1/48), Hawker Hart and Gloster Gamecock (1/48). I must admit that their inj. moulded efforts are much better. Formaplane: Have seen some excellent and some really poor. I have the 1/72 Fe2b which is probably one of the best vacs I've ever seen, however their Be2c and the Albatros B1 was a great disappointment, and there was worse!!! Koster: I have the Triplane. After all the fuss about Koster, I really wondered what it was all about, until I got the Hannover - great ( would be a shame to build it). Joystick: Have built the Albatros C1 (my favourite) and the C111 - both straight forward no nuts vacs. Also have the Rumpler and a few others, very clean mouldings. Sander (Contrail) did three 1/24th kits. The Nieuport was really very good, the SE5a mediocre and the Albatros pretty poor. I would only recommend the Nieuport. Rareplanes: Have the Gotha, of course. Very good, but gave up after the wings warped after sanding. But the Vac that really blew my mind was Esoteric's Boulton Paul Overstrand - Sidestrand. Nearly inj. moulded detail and crispness - wow! My 0.02 Deutschmarks (as long as we still have 'em) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 14:37:38 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Vac kits comments Message-ID: <5a89490f.252cf0f2@aol.com> In a message dated 10/6/99 10:57:49 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Shingend@ix.netcom.com writes: << Could you be referring to Marco's Miniatures (?). I've seen a company something like that name advertised and reviewed. I think they've put out a Fokker D.VII and D.VIII in that scale, maybe a Sop. Triplane and I think a couple or three others. .Mark. >> Marco's 1/24 Pfalz D.III vac-the-box looks great, and aside from the rear fuselage section being MAYBE a little too short, it's an amazing kit- chock full of resin, large decal sheet, PE, veneer for making one's own prop should one choose not to use the resin one provided- it could provide hundreds of hours of frustrating fun. RK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 14:40:41 EDT From: CTJDavies@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Version 2.0 Message-ID: Off course !!! Marco's Miniatures: I built the Nieuport 28, which was great fun and got me a 2nd best overall at a competition while I was still in good ol' USofA. Great funbut the white metal axle won't take the load. Started the Albatros DV - might even finish it one day... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 12:00:37 PDT From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Vac kits comments Message-ID: <19991006190037.40295.qmail@hotmail.com> >From: Matthew E Bittner > > >Others left off the list: > >Blue Rider >Phoenix >Eastern Models (only two made that I know of - MoS Type BB and DH.10) >Formaplane >Libramodels > > Also, V.L.E. Models - see Richard Eaton's page for built up models of the DFW "Mars" and Fokker "Spinne". High quality vacs with metal parts. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1907 **********************