WWI Digest 1888 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: FSM Ambivalence by "Arron Monroe" 2) Staaken Mold Found! by Brent & Tina Theobald 3) Re: I ONLY ORDERED ONE! by Albatrosdv@aol.com 4) RE: Staaken Mold Found! by Shane Weier 5) FW: 1/72 scale zepellin-staaken vac-form (old contrail kit) by Shane Weier 6) Re: Staaken Mold Found! by Albatrosdv@aol.com 7) Fella needs a hand by smperry@mindspring.com 8) Re: Modeling in a Wierd Place by Mike Fletcher 9) seatbelts by Dale Beamish <31241054@3web.net> 10) Re: Staaken Mold Found! by Matthew E Bittner 11) Re: WW1 mailing list by Ernest Thomas 12) Re: seatbelts by "Michael S. Alvarado" 13) Re: Staaken Mold Found! by "Michael S. Alvarado" 14) Re: Dennis U - The Challenge! by "Sandy Adam" 15) (no subject) by Ernest Thomas 16) Re: (no subject) by "PETER LEONARD" 17) Re: FSM Ambivalence by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 18) Re: (no subject) by Ernest Thomas 19) Re: FSM Ambivalence by "PETER LEONARD" 20) SAMI Salamander piece/ was: FSM Ambivalence by "Michael Kendix" 21) SPAD help by "Matt Bittner" 22) Re: SPAD help by "PETER LEONARD" 23) Re: SPAD help by "DAVID BURKE" 24) Re: SPAD help by Dale Beamish <31241054@3web.net> 25) Re: SPAD help by "Lance Krieg" 26) Re: SPAD help by "Sandy Adam" 27) Re: SAMI Salamander piece/ was: FSM Ambivalence by Albatrosdv@aol.com 28) Re: SAMI Salamander piece/ was: FSM Ambivalence by "Michael Kendix" 29) Re: SAMI Salamander piece/ was: FSM Ambivalence by "Sandy Adam" 30) Re: SAMI Salamander piece/ was: FSM Ambivalence by "Mark L. Shannon" 31) Re: SAMI Salamander piece/ was: FSM Ambivalence by Albatrosdv@aol.com 32) Re: SAMI Salamander piece/ was: FSM Ambivalence by Albatrosdv@aol.com 33) Re: SAMI Salamander piece/ was: FSM Ambivalence by David & Carol Fletcher 34) Re: SAMI Salamander piece/ was: FSM Ambivalence by Albatrosdv@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 19:47:25 -0400 From: "Arron Monroe" To: Subject: Re: FSM Ambivalence Message-ID: <005f01bf0a0b$d20627c0$35b15f18@twcny.rr.com> I remember that and enjoyed reading it... ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Solinski To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 1999 7:05 PM Subject: Re: FSM Ambivalence > John & Allison Cyganowski wrote: > > > I suspect that part of the problem might be a lack of good authors. A > > couple of years ago, FSM was begging for authors, promising substancial > > cash amounts for articles that were accepted. I don't want to commit the > > time to do such an article, so I don't want to criticize FSM too much. > > Finally someone else hit it on the head first. Guys and gals if you're not > happy with what's in FSM SUBMIT SOMETHING BETTER!!! I agree that I'm > disappointed in what they've been doing, and I was sceptical of most of the > articles from the first issue. But unless YOU can do better don't slam too > hard. The publishers bent over backwards to clean up edit and re-photograph > my one small published article, and they still paid me $125.00 for it. > > "Making waves the easy way" FSM December 1996. > > Tom Solinski > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 19:10:27 -0700 From: Brent & Tina Theobald To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Staaken Mold Found! Message-ID: <37F17511.3CC534F3@airmail.net> Greetings, I was interested in what happened to the old Contrail kit molds, so I did a little research. I found out that a company by the name of Aircraft in Miniature Limited has some of them including the Staaken kit. I was hoping we could start a list email campaign for them to press a few of these beasts for us. Here is their email address (nothing OT): info@aim72.co.uk Here is their web site: http://www.aim72.co.uk/ This is a plane I thought was interesting on the website. Off topic of course. http://www.aim72.co.uk/HW09-001.htm Here is the original reply which was sent to me. ====================================== It will not be the original Contrail kit as we have more up to date information which made the original mould unsuitable. Aircraft in Miniature Limited bought most of the 1/72 scale Contrail kits, and so we do have the Mould for the German Staaken. The kits in our Historic Wings range include some of the Contrail moulds . We have changed/altered and so improved these with the new informatiion now available along with the advance of modelling materials generally. . This has resulted in "Happy Modellers" in many parts of the world. Marion ------------- Aircraft In Miniature Limited ------------- Postal Address: Phone: +44 (0)2476 375737 Aircraft In Miniature Limited Fax: +44 (0)2476 375737 19 Watling Street E-mail: info@aim72.co.uk Nuneaton Web Site: http://www.aim72.co.uk Warwickshire CV11 6JJ England Manufacturers of: TRANSPORT WINGS - 1:72 precut vacformed model aircraft kits HISTORIC WINGS - 1:72 non-precut vacformed model aircraft kits RUG RAT RESINS - 1:72 resin model aircraft kits ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 20:16:47 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: I ONLY ORDERED ONE! Message-ID: In a message dated 99-09-28 19:08:13 EDT, you write: << "CLEAVER STEREO" it ONLY comes from the right, regardless of how many speakers you have! "CLEAVER STEREO" it ONLY comes from the right, regardless of how many speakers you have! Tom S >> You must be standing in Australia, where up is down and right is left. Tom ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 10:34:22 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Staaken Mold Found! Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD475BA6@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Brent, > I was interested in what happened to the old Contrail kit molds, so I > did a little research. I found out that a company by the name of > Aircraft in Miniature Limited has some of them including the Staaken > kit. I was hoping we could start a list email campaign for > them to press a few of these beasts for us. > I thought we'd been there and done that without success? Sorry, I never followed too closely since I don't need no dinky scale Staakens :-) Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 10:37:01 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi'" Subject: FW: 1/72 scale zepellin-staaken vac-form (old contrail kit) Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD475BA7@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Brent, Yup, I wuz right. We *did* do this before, *last* September See below Shane -----Original Message----- From: Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador [mailto:panz-meador@vsti.com] Sent: Wednesday, 2 September 1998 13:12 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: 1/72 scale zepellin-staaken vac-form (old contrail kit) recently i querried the list concerning those who'd be interested in the vacuum-formed (only) contents of the old contrail kit of the zepellin-staaken R.VI kit (THIS IS NOT THE R.IV KIT MENTIONED IN THE LAST FEW DAYS). the kit may be built as either the land plane or the float-plane version. the molds, as you'll recall, are in the possession of the UK firm "aircraft in miniature" (AIM) and they are willing to work with us to do a few vac-form shots. FWIW, AIM also has the old Formaplane molds. approximatley 10 folks bellied up to the bar. for those, and others who may be newly interested, i have received the reply from mr. neil gaunt of AIM regarding kit cost. for a batch of 10, the cost breakdown is: 15 GBP per shot (3 vac-form sheets comprise 1 "kit" of the R.VI) +20 GBP set-up cost for 10 shots for a total of 170 GBP for the entire lot, EXCLUDING postage and handling. therefore, an individual kit would come to 17 GPB (15 GBP + 2 GBP set-up cost pro-rated) plus applicable postage. excluding P&H, this would total approximately $25.50 USD, $42.50 Canadian $, or a couple thousand Australian lira, er, dollars (right?). i assume that the package would come to houston, then i would disburse these to those parties interested, so that total P&H would be UK -> Houston, TX, USA then Houston, TX, USA -> your modeling lair. THEREFORE, hands-up, you interested folks out there! pleaes e-mail me off-list if you wish to commit to buying one (or more) of these dudes. unfortunately mr. gaunt is out-of-pocket for 8 more days e-mail wise, so i'm not able to comment on what the total postage costs might be on a per-kit basis. when he does return, i'll check with him the capability of AIM to drop-ship from the UK to individual modelers and see if that's possible, thus eliminating the houston connection. phillip ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 20:48:19 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Staaken Mold Found! Message-ID: <7bb1edf0.2522bbd3@aol.com> Staakens? Staakens? We don't need no steenking Staakens!! :-) Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 21:02:33 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: Fella needs a hand Message-ID: <003001bf0a16$510b0c20$2b0b56d1@default> I was looking at RMSS and stumbled on this post. If anyone can help him, contact him direct. sp Anyone know where I can get a good set of drawings for for the Royal Aircraft Factory F.E.8 WW I fighter? I am not worried about the scale, but would like good detail of the rigging and pusher engine detail. Appreciate any help, thanks! Budd Jones bujones@mindspring.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 21:26:39 -0400 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Modeling in a Wierd Place Message-ID: <37F16ACF.91C0934C@home.com> what a coincidence - course I spilled etchant all over their nice new marble floor first Matthew E Bittner wrote: > > On Tue, 28 Sep 1999 07:27:25 -0400 (EDT) "dfernet0" > writes: > > > Good point. Tomorrow I'll bring my modelling implements here in the > > office. > > Imagine how much can I do 8 hours a day! :-) > > Been there...done that...then they gave me a new job... :-( > > Matt Bittner > http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook > http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html -- Mike Fletcher ___ ., mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; mikef@sparc.nic.bc.ca |--n--""*" icq=19554083 @ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 19:24:53 -0600 From: Dale Beamish <31241054@3web.net> To: list Subject: seatbelts Message-ID: <37F16A65.9F881883@3web.net> Finally finished the Alb interior. Thanks to everyone for all the information I received. What where the actual belts made of leather? canvas? any suggested colors. Dale ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 20:38:18 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Staaken Mold Found! Message-ID: <19990928.203937.-84465.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Tue, 28 Sep 1999 20:35:45 -0400 (EDT) Shane Weier writes: > Sorry, I never followed too closely since I don't need no dinky > scale > Staakens :-) "Dinky-scale" or not, that's huge. I'm sure you could convince you're other half that you should scratchbuild a Braille-job, right? ;-) Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 21:37:29 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: WW1 mailing list Message-ID: <37F17B69.4EAD@bellsouth.net> Georg Cupr wrote: > My name is Georg Cupr, I live in Uppsala, Sweden. I am gathering = > information- documentation concerning the Nieuport 28. Hi Georg, The N.28 is one probably my favorite WWI aircraft, and I'm currently building the Blue Max kit. I don't have the original drawings that you seek, but I do have the Datafile. I'll gladly share any information that's in the DF if you're interested. E. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 00:38:44 -0400 From: "Michael S. Alvarado" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: seatbelts Message-ID: <37F197D3.DC482032@bellatlantic.net> Dale; The seatbelts on the NASM Albatros D.Va are white cotton canvas (military webbing type stuff) the adjusters and buckles are painted in the same blue-green color the rest of the structural metal parts are painted. Alvie Dale Beamish wrote: > Finally finished the Alb interior. Thanks to everyone for all the > information I received. What where the actual belts made of leather? > canvas? any suggested colors. > > Dale ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 00:40:50 -0400 From: "Michael S. Alvarado" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Staaken Mold Found! Message-ID: <37F19851.D1527914@bellatlantic.net> A 1/48 scale Stakken, now you'd be talking a model! Alvie Shane Weier wrote: > Brent, > > > I was interested in what happened to the old Contrail kit molds, so I > > did a little research. I found out that a company by the name of > > Aircraft in Miniature Limited has some of them including the Staaken > > kit. I was hoping we could start a list email campaign for > > them to press a few of these beasts for us. > > > > I thought we'd been there and done that without success? > > Sorry, I never followed too closely since I don't need no dinky scale > Staakens :-) > > Shane > ************************************************************** > The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential > and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). > If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution > or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are > requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems > to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. > E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. > ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:47:12 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Dennis U - The Challenge! Message-ID: <005301bf0a6f$2a7017a0$11e8b094@sandyada> > On this subject, how big is the biggest known on topic collection? >Anyone know? I suggest it is probably the collection of the members of Al Wright's WWI Aviation List? Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 07:02:04 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: (no subject) Message-ID: <37F1FFBC.B92@bellsouth.net> review ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 05:10:14 PDT From: "PETER LEONARD" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: (no subject) Message-ID: <19990929121015.71979.qmail@hotmail.com> e. >review< Gosh ernest...I don't know where to start..gimme a coupla days. Peter Leonard ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 07:18:19 -0500 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: FSM Ambivalence Message-ID: >>The publishers bent over backwards to clean up edit and re-photograph my one small published article, << I have talked with several people who have had articles published, and they will never submit them again because of this. They didn't even recognize their work when it was published. Hence the reason why when I wrote my PT article several years ago, it went to the IPMS/USA Journal, and not FSM, even though I didn't get paid for it. Paul A. Schwartzkopf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 07:33:23 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: (no subject) Message-ID: <37F20713.387C@bellsouth.net> PETER LEONARD wrote: > > e. >review< > > Gosh ernest...I don't know where to start..gimme a coupla days. Sorry, guess I screwed the pooch. But the question has been answered. Off to work :( E. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 05:35:38 PDT From: "PETER LEONARD" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: FSM Ambivalence Message-ID: <19990929123540.58865.qmail@hotmail.com> Just another little gripe from me. The FSM website requests submissions for the exchange of links. Their link is on my site, their site was last updated last December. SAMI though are far from ideal when it comes to OT subjects. How often have we read a review in which the reviewer discloses that he has never before built a bi-plane and knows nothing about WW1? I just hope Windsock continues with it's recently re-jigged mix of research and modelling content, and gets cheaper. Peter Leonard IPMS UK Lancashire & Cheshire Branch http://www.storks.cwc.net http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com PeterL@cwcom.net ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 05:50:58 PDT From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: SAMI Salamander piece/ was: FSM Ambivalence Message-ID: <19990929125058.68636.qmail@hotmail.com> >From: "PETER LEONARD" >Subject: Re: FSM Ambivalence >Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 08:35:38 -0400 (EDT) > > >SAMI though are far from ideal when it comes to OT subjects. How >often >have we read a review in which the reviewer discloses that he >has never >before built a bi-plane and knows nothing about WW1? Speaking of which, this Summer SAMI published an article on a colourful build of Toko's Sopwith Salamander. Did anyone think this was any god. To my inexperienced eye, it seemd OK but I am interested to hear others' opinions. Michael ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:32:34 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: SPAD help Message-ID: <199909291419.JAA01508@itd.sterling.com> I'm currently working on the SPAD page to add to my French pages. I need help with the 1/48th models (JMGT & BM 7, DML 13 - any others?) as well as any and all aftermarket items and aftermarket decals in both scales. Plus, if there are reviews of these anywhere I need the URL's as well. Plus, I'm looking for more review URL's for the Nieuports, Breguets and MoS'. Matt Bittner "Working" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 07:43:02 PDT From: "PETER LEONARD" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: SPAD help Message-ID: <19990929144303.83950.qmail@hotmail.com> Matt, I have all of the kits you mention and they are "sort of" reviewed on the kitology page my "Storks" site, if you can call a couple of sentences a review. What do you need? Peter Leonard IPMS UK Lancashire & Cheshire Branch http://www.storks.cwc.net http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com PeterL@cwcom.net ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:56:55 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: SPAD help Message-ID: <003301bf0a8b$7a7ff000$6a83aec7@dora9sprynet.com> Bittner! You feeling well? Lemme feel your forehead - yup a fever. I knew it - you gotta be ill if you're gona play with us big boys! ;) Currently I'm working the DML Spad 13, and I got ahold of the AeroMaster American Aces sheet to replace the crappy yellowed markings from the kit. All else Out-of-Box Get Well Soon! DB -----Original Message----- From: Matt Bittner To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Wednesday, September 29, 1999 9:33 AM Subject: SPAD help >I'm currently working on the SPAD page to add to my French pages. I need help with the 1/48th models (JMGT & BM 7, DML 13 - any >others?) as well as any and all aftermarket items and aftermarket decals in both scales. Plus, if there are reviews of these anywhere I >need the URL's as well. > >Plus, I'm looking for more review URL's for the Nieuports, Breguets and MoS'. > > >Matt Bittner >"Working" > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:06:39 -0600 From: Dale Beamish <31241054@3web.net> To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: SPAD help Message-ID: <37F22AFE.67BF2052@3web.net> I may be able to help with the DML Spad 13. What is it you need? Matt Bittner wrote: > I'm currently working on the SPAD page to add to my French pages. I need help with the 1/48th models (JMGT & BM 7, DML 13 - any > others?) as well as any and all aftermarket items and aftermarket decals in both scales. Plus, if there are reviews of these anywhere I > need the URL's as well. > > Plus, I'm looking for more review URL's for the Nieuports, Breguets and MoS'. > > Matt Bittner > "Working" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 10:07:21 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: SPAD help Message-ID: Hey, Matt, don't forget the 1/40 scale Heller SPAD 7. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 16:47:05 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: SPAD help Message-ID: <00c101bf0a91$e3db50c0$11e8b094@sandyada> Or the venerable Hawk and Aurora/Glencoe S13 offerings. Not to mention the lovely AJP Macquettes brass S7. Sandy -----Original Message----- From: Lance Krieg To: Multiple recipients of list Date: 29 September 1999 16:12 Subject: Re: SPAD help >Hey, Matt, don't forget the 1/40 scale Heller SPAD 7. > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 12:35:55 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: SAMI Salamander piece/ was: FSM Ambivalence Message-ID: In a message dated 99-09-29 08:53:34 EDT, you write: << Did anyone think this was any god. To my inexperienced eye, it seemd OK but I am interested to hear others' opinions. >> Like most SAMi articles - thoroughly fifth rate. I am completely amazed at you people for thinking that waste of time is anything but. What is it? Has FSM fed you dog kibble and told you it was steak for so long that you now think the wet version must be filet mignon?? Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:53:23 PDT From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: SAMI Salamander piece/ was: FSM Ambivalence Message-ID: <19990929165324.68538.qmail@hotmail.com> Tom: I think I made a mistake; it was "Scale Models International". I understand you don't like the piece but since I lack experience, I need to understand what you think was wrong. Michael >From: Albatrosdv@aol.com >Reply-To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: SAMI Salamander piece/ was: FSM Ambivalence >Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 12:39:34 -0400 (EDT) > >In a message dated 99-09-29 08:53:34 EDT, you write: > ><< Did anyone think this was any god. To > my inexperienced eye, it seemd OK but I am interested to hear others' > opinions. >> > >Like most SAMi articles - thoroughly fifth rate. I am completely amazed at >you people for thinking that waste of time is anything but. What is it? >Has >FSM fed you dog kibble and told you it was steak for so long that you now >think the wet version must be filet mignon?? > >Tom Cleaver ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:59:42 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: SAMI Salamander piece/ was: FSM Ambivalence Message-ID: <00ed01bf0a9c$080e6400$11e8b094@sandyada> >Like most SAMi articles - thoroughly fifth rate. To balance this let me say that I think SAMI is one of the better mags. A lot is well below WIndsock (or IM) level - but a lot is very, very good. I look forward to SAMI. YMMV...AIDGAF. Bi-monthly SMI is a shadow of its former glory although latest issue (359) has a fair build review of the BM Halberstadt by the indefatigable Joel Christy. SAM is very seldom OT although on the occasion when they do, the result can be very good, IMHO FSM is a joke. So WS and IM are de rigeur. SAM, SAMI and SMI will make mistakes and will have non-specialists trying WWI kits (good thing no?) but they are a mixed bag and sometimes contain nuggets of pure gold (Harry Woodman and Paul Monteagle) Buy FSM if you have a bare coffee table. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 11:49:31 -0500 From: "Mark L. Shannon" To: Subject: Re: SAMI Salamander piece/ was: FSM Ambivalence Message-ID: <199909291705.MAA28648@dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com> Tom, Tom, that's ok, tell us how you feel. Incidently, I have a medicine that helps keep the blood pressure down on little items like that. .Mark. ---------- > From: Albatrosdv@aol.com > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: SAMI Salamander piece/ was: FSM Ambivalence > Date: Wednesday, September 29, 1999 11:39 AM > > In a message dated 99-09-29 08:53:34 EDT, you write: > > << Did anyone think this was any god. To > my inexperienced eye, it seemd OK but I am interested to hear others' > opinions. >> > > Like most SAMi articles - thoroughly fifth rate. I am completely amazed at > you people for thinking that waste of time is anything but. What is it? Has > FSM fed you dog kibble and told you it was steak for so long that you now > think the wet version must be filet mignon?? > > Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 13:21:46 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: SAMI Salamander piece/ was: FSM Ambivalence Message-ID: <27a428c9.2523a4aa@aol.com> In a message dated 99-09-29 12:54:39 EDT, you write: << I think I made a mistake; it was "Scale Models International". I understand you don't like the piece but since I lack experience, I need to understand what you think was wrong. >> Scale Models International is a fine publication. My complaint is about Scale Aviation Modeling International, aka "modeling hacks unite!" Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 13:24:44 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: SAMI Salamander piece/ was: FSM Ambivalence Message-ID: <7c8c6ec6.2523a55c@aol.com> In a message dated 99-09-29 13:07:48 EDT, you write: << Tom, Tom, that's ok, tell us how you feel. Incidently, I have a medicine that helps keep the blood pressure down on little items like that. .Mark. >> My complaint is: if you are going to go to the expense and bother of actually publishing and distributing a magazine, why not do it *good*, so your efforts are worthwhile?? I know for a fact they can get better contributors than they have. We certainly don't have to beat the bushes to get the ones we have. As Henry Fonda was once quoted as saying: "They call you 'difficult' when you give a damn about what you do." Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:51:27 -0700 From: David & Carol Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: SAMI Salamander piece/ was: FSM Ambivalence Message-ID: <37F2438F.6E56@mars.ark.com> I've reached the point where I seldom buy modelling magazines and I haven't even bought much in the way of kits in the last year or so. I finally reached the realization that I'm going to have to work very hard to build the 850 kits I've got and that I have enough reference material (about five tons worth) to cover what I will build. I now only subscribe to Aeroplane, FlyPast and IPMS/Canada's "RT". Regarding the modelling mags, I have watched FSM start down the slippery slope to oblivion as far as we ancient and serious modellers go, but FSM probably does provide a service to us in that it seems to have become more of a recruiting magazine for the "newbies"; the more people who get hooked on fondling plastic, the more who will eventually become serious and join this august group. SAM is a good mag and this is where I occasionally weaken in my resolve to buy nothing additional. SAMI is the old "Stale Muddler" regurgitated with the same crowd who grind out "gee whiz, look at what I saw at the latest air show" magazines. It's really only on the market to provide advertisers with warm, fuzzy reviews of their latest piece of junk. Most of the rest, WS etc., are too specialized or too expensive for me to justify to myself on a regular basis, but I appreciate the effort that goes into them. I do read IM, but until I get a faster system, even that has to be rationed! Gradually overcoming the withdrawal symptoms from no longer buying everything on the rack... Dave Fletcher ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 14:29:11 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: SAMI Salamander piece/ was: FSM Ambivalence Message-ID: <1385739e.2523b477@aol.com> In a message dated 99-09-29 14:13:14 EDT, you write: << SAMI is the old "Stale Muddler" regurgitated with the same crowd who grind out "gee whiz, look at what I saw at the latest air show" magazines. >> a statement that makes me very surprised you comment that you read "FlyPast," the English equivalent of "Air Clunkers," published by Key Publishing, the destroyers of both Air International and Air Enthusiast Quarterly, neither of which have been worth the price of purchase since Gordon Swanbrough and William Green decided to 'take the money and run" (to a well-deserved retirement, I might add). Swanborough and Green were my original inspirations to do aviation-oriented writing. If you have the old AE's and look at AE11, that's my photo of 'the reluctant Messiah's Travelaire" on the cover (it really is the airplane Richard Bach was thinking of when he wrote "Illusions"), and my article inside. Bill Green was such a wonderful editor, I could even recognize what was published and take credit for it being "better." (Believe me, that is not the common experience of most writers, myself included.) More than that, he took the time to encourage me at a time when I was unsure there was much to encourage. He also published another piece of mine in AE14 about a certain bent-wing airplane European show-goers were familiar with during the 1980s. I think those two guys - Swanborough and Green - did more to improve the state of historical/technical aviation writing than just about anyone. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1888 **********************