WWI Digest 1872 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: 3 Amigos by "DAVID BURKE" 2) "Yellow Peril" by "David Vosburgh" 3) Re: 3 Amigos by smperry@mindspring.com 4) Re: 3 Amigos by Ernest Thomas 5) Re: Good Service or What?/OTF American Salmsons article by "PETER LEONARD" 6) Re: New WS & DF by "Sandy Adam" 7) Re: Tootsie Roll?????? by "Sandy Adam" 8) Re: Camel cowl. was Blue Max by "Sandy Adam" 9) Re: New WS & DF by "Bob Pearson" 10) RE: Lance K's stuff by "dfernet0" 11) µá¦L®õ¹µ¶Ä¤¶²Ð (§Aª£¤u¤H¡A§Ú½ß¾÷²¼) by no-email@ctimail.com 12) =?iso-8859-1?B?IFRoaXMgc7XhprZ0IGFnYWluISAgV0FTOiC14aZMrvW5tbbEpLay0CAo?= by "dfernet0" 13) Lance's Fokker by "dfernet0" 14) Re: µá¦L®õ¹µ¶Ä¤¶²Ð (§Aª£¤u¤H¡A§Ú½ß¾÷²¼) by "PETER LEONARD" 15) Re: This sµá¦¶t again! WAS: µá¦L®õ¹µ¶Ä¤¶²Ð ( by Dale Beamish <31241054@3web.net> 16) altitude attitude by "dfernet0" 17) Re: =?iso-8859-1?B?IFRoaXMgc7XhprZ0IGFnYWluISAgV0FTOiC14aZMrvW5tbbEpLay0CAo?= by Allan Wright 18) Re: altitude attitude by "PETER LEONARD" 19) Re: Lance K's stuff by "DAVID BURKE" 20) Re: altitude attitude by "DAVID BURKE" 21) Re: 3 Amigos by "DAVID BURKE" 22) Re: Camel cowl. was Blue Max by "DAVID BURKE" 23) Re: Camel cowl. was Blue Max by "Sandy Adam" 24) Re: Lance's Fokker by "Lance Krieg" 25) RE: Acrylic Paint Damage by Washing / Soaking by Jack Berlien 26) Re: Camel cowl. was Blue Max by "Sandy Adam" 27) Re: Fokker Streaking by "Lance Krieg" 28) Re: Camel cowl. was Blue Max by "PETER LEONARD" 29) RE: Camel cowl. was Blue Max by "dfernet0" 30) RE: Lance's Fokker by "dfernet0" 31) Re: Acrylic Paint Damage by Washing / Soaking by Albatrosdv@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 22:56:00 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: 3 Amigos Message-ID: <005101bf03e5$38d76ea0$4b87aec7@dora9sprynet.com> >>DAVID BURKE wrote: >>> >>> The 3 Fokker Dr.1's are up in the Gallery. >> > >Nice Modeling Dave! > >Your prop work looks even better than those hand carved jobbies at the Nats. >I'd like to hear at length how you do them as well as the Fokker streaks. I use the 1/16 inch R/C modelling plywood. I carve the little buggers and then dip them in home-made stain and coat 'em with spar varnish. Sand 'em, decal 'em, coat 'em with Future and add the prop boss of your choice. I'm getting to really enjoy the carving! As to the streaks: I undercoat with Floquil Antique White (a railroad color, but great for CDL). Then, using a brush close to 1 1/2 mm wide (close to a scale 8cm - it's 1.66666 for anyone who wants to start trouble) brush on the streaks with a mixture of acrylic RLM70 or 71 (depending on taste) cut 50-50 with Future. That's it. Experiment a bit, but it shouldn't take long and you should have it! Finally, the biggest secret: TAKE A GOOD PHOTO! That way, even though it looks crappy, that digitized image can LIE for you! > >Back to putzing with I'lya struts >sp > Gonna put a Dremel to a Camel. DB Hey man, getting wet down there in FLA? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 00:16:07 -0400 From: "David Vosburgh" To: "WWI Mailing List" Subject: "Yellow Peril" Message-ID: <001301bf03e8$088b34e0$217433cf@Pvosburg> Gee, I don't know what it was that mislead me into thinking the YP was an Avro. Maybe it was the caption which clearly read "The Handley-Page 'Yellow Peril' with the 50 hp Gnome...". Or perhaps it was the large "H-P" monogram emblazoned on the rudder. In any event, I'd love to see the materials mentioned by Lubos, Chris, and Scho... thank you, gentlemen. And thank you as well, Peter, even though my carelessness threw you off track. Regards, DV nb: almost done with the marathon Eduard D.VI!! nu: either the Maquette D.H.9a, or not. nl: Mark Knopfler/Chieftains "Lily of the West" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 00:20:06 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: 3 Amigos Message-ID: <008f01bf03e8$96133380$4f2845cf@default> >Hey man, getting wet down there in FLA? Just wet so far. looking at direct hit in the am. Lucky it's still small. sp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 23:43:44 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 3 Amigos Message-ID: <37E70D00.3CB4@bellsouth.net> DAVID BURKE wrote: > > Y'all oughta meet the Burke clan! Yeah? Any cute ones that I can combine DNA with? To bed fer me. L8r. E. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 00:04:19 PDT From: "PETER LEONARD" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Good Service or What?/OTF American Salmsons article Message-ID: <19990921070420.21261.qmail@hotmail.com> Riordan, I don't have access to OTF :( but the wings 48 instructions are very comprehensive :) with full details for each of the 10 Squadrons covered by the decals. I've always liked the Salmson and have it in mind for a comp entry for next years Nats, so it's not exactly at the top of the pile. Thanks for the kinf offer though. Any suggestions for those cowling louvres? Peter Leonard IPMS UK Lancashire & Cheshire Branch http://www.storks.cwc.net http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com PeterL@cwcom.net >From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net >Reply-To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: Good Service or What?/OTF American Salmsons article >Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 20:20:03 -0400 (EDT) > >PETER LEONARD wrote: > > > > As well as finding my Windsock and Datafile waiting for me when I got >home > > there was also my package from Aviation Usk. It contained, Wings 48 >Salmson > > 2A2, > >In case you don't have it & want to see it (an opt for a non-French >subject), there's a lovely article on American Salmsons in OTF 5/4 >(library moves to Sacramento in a week) > >Riordan ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 09:15:11 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: New WS & DF Message-ID: <00ab01bf040c$8f106c00$08e8b094@sandyada> >Any further announcements on the Breguet special? Not yet Matt unfortunately. The latest issue has a review of the HiTech kit and some nice pics of the Armee de l'Air Br14. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 09:24:55 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Tootsie Roll?????? Message-ID: <00ac01bf040c$8fd0aec0$08e8b094@sandyada> >> It is a *very* chewy chocolate candy bar - the kind that can easily remove >> teeth while masticating. You're sure you're not talking about the guy dressed up in women's clothes still? Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 09:36:59 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Camel cowl. was Blue Max Message-ID: <00ad01bf040c$909a1940$08e8b094@sandyada> >And the ripple effect. Other than that, the shapes look right, the parts >line up, and I'm gonna build the damned thing.... Well, I did three of them (they're on the web page) and I think it has more of the look of a Camel than any other kit I've seen so far. A fourth is sitting half-made on the workbench still, undecided as to whether it will be Kissenberth's machine or Brown's or a Naval Striper or the Ruston 1,000th! Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 02:14:12 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New WS & DF Message-ID: <199909210922.CAA07845@mail.rapidnet.net> C&C(GB/INT) did an issue on the Breguet 14 a few years back with drawings and photos .. almost a mini-datafile with no colour. Bob ---------- >From: "Sandy Adam" >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: New WS & DF >Date: Tue, Sep 21, 1999, 1:39 AM > >>Any further announcements on the Breguet special? > > Not yet Matt unfortunately. The latest issue has a review of the HiTech kit > and some nice pics of the Armee de l'Air Br14. > Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 07:23:16 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Lance K's stuff Message-ID: <009301bf041b$51840d60$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Robert Some people says that Dave Burke has hired one elf that you have fired last year from your workshop. Yes, that who painted the streaks on Fokkers but had a drinking problem. D. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 12:15 AM Subject: Lance K's stuff > Give me enough time and I'll get around to looking at all the new stuff on > the WW I page...I just got back from such an excursion- Lance has nailed that > Fokker streaking......I genuflect in his direction > Robert K. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 01:57:34 PM From: no-email@ctimail.com Subject: µá¦L®õ¹µ¶Ä¤¶²Ð (§Aª£¤u¤H¡A§Ú½ß¾÷²¼) Message-ID: <199909211357.MXT5351@myserver.com> We are a well-established agency recruiting trained, educated and experienced overseas (Philippine / Thailand / Indonesia) domestic helper to assist your daily household & outdoor works. 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There's any way that we can stop these messages? Tell us what to do. D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 08:17:36 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: "WW1 modeling Mail List" Subject: Lance's Fokker Message-ID: <02a301bf0422$e9701860$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Hi Lance Great models! I like the spoked wheels of the Fokker. Sorry, but I always do the same question: PE or scratchbuilt? D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 04:20:22 PDT From: "PETER LEONARD" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: µá¦L®õ¹µ¶Ä¤¶²Ð (§Aª£¤u¤H¡A§Ú½ß¾÷²¼) Message-ID: <19990921112023.44618.qmail@hotmail.com> >>¥»¤½¥q©Ò´£¨Ñ¤§®ü¥~¶Ä¤u§¡¨ü¹L®a¬F°V½m¡B¦³¸gÅç(¬ùº¡¥»¦a©Î·s¥[©Y¶Ä¤u)¡B§J­W ­@³Ò¡A¦³¤j±M¥H¤W¾Ç¾ú¡B¨C¤ë±M¤H«e©¹®ü¥~ÄY®æ¬D¿ï¡A¨â¦~«O¥Î¡A¤£º¡¥]´<< Okay! Who's the joker who installed the encryption software?? Peter Leonard ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 06:02:23 -0600 From: Dale Beamish <31241054@3web.net> To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: This sµá¦¶t again! WAS: µá¦L®õ¹µ¶Ä¤¶²Ð ( Message-ID: <37E773CF.84C5DC31@3web.net> First cup of coffee and read the posts? Going to be a long day. There must be some way of stopping this. Dale dfernet0 wrote: > Al > What was that? There's any way that we can stop these messages? Tell us what > to do. > D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 09:21:14 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: "WW1 modeling Mail List" Subject: altitude attitude Message-ID: <02b901bf042b$cdd29ca0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Hi list Since there's many knoledgeable aviation historians in this list, I want to ask a question about something I was reading last night. During WW1, there wasn't such a thing as aerial traffic control, isn't it? at least not as we know it now. Then, when you read something like "We were patrolling at 3000 ft. over Arras" what do they meant? The indicated "hight" over Arras, with their altimeters set at the airfield, the "altitude" (QFE) over sea level (QNH) or from a fixed QNE over a transition level? Can I assume that all the airplanes flew on what we call nowadays Visual Flight Rules? How they managed to avoid crashes in the sky? There were a inter-airfield coordination of patrols? there were so few airplanes that all this were unnecesary? What colour of underwear the pilots wore? I ask this since I've read that large assembies of aircraft used to meet for patrolling/bombing/escort/photo recon. missions and this must have been a nightmare to find a bunch of tiny planes in the sky, and more difficult to discover if they are friend or foes. Just thinking aloud... D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 08:33:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Allan Wright To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?B?IFRoaXMgc7XhprZ0IGFnYWluISAgV0FTOiC14aZMrvW5tbbEpLay0CAo?= Message-ID: <199909211233.IAA14574@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > What was that? There's any way that we can stop these messages? Tell us what > to do. It's called 'spam' and most likely someone posted the address of this list to a newsgroup (probably for a very good reason) and the spammer got it. Not to worry, just have to delete them and move on. I run anti-spam software on my machine which reduces this IMMENSELY. Without it spam would be a daily occorance on the list. -Allan =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | "Without love, life's just a long fight" - SSJ University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 05:41:34 PDT From: "PETER LEONARD" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: altitude attitude Message-ID: <19990921124136.86869.qmail@hotmail.com> Don't know the exact answer, but as a former twenty two year area and defence radar man I reckon I'm as entitled to speculate as anyone. By my reckoning a local pressure setting would be the most likely. As you say there was no Air Traffic Control system as we would understand the term, and there is only a need for flight A to have the same pressure setting as flight B if they are going to communicate or co-operate in some meaningful way, which they rarely did. On the few occasions it was necessary to "RV at 3000 metres over Polygon Wood" my guess is close was close enough. Peter Leonard >From: "dfernet0" >Reply-To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: altitude attitude >Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 08:22:12 -0400 (EDT) > >Hi list >Since there's many knoledgeable aviation historians in this list, I want to >ask a question about something I was reading last night. During WW1, there >wasn't such a thing as aerial traffic control, isn't it? at least not as we >know it now. Then, when you read something like "We were patrolling at 3000 >ft. over Arras" what do they meant? The indicated "hight" over Arras, with >their altimeters set at the airfield, the "altitude" (QFE) over sea level >(QNH) or from a fixed QNE over a transition level? Can I assume that all >the >airplanes flew on what we call nowadays Visual Flight Rules? How they >managed to avoid crashes in the sky? There were a inter-airfield >coordination of patrols? there were so few airplanes that all this were >unnecesary? What colour of underwear the pilots wore? >I ask this since I've read that large assembies of aircraft used to meet >for >patrolling/bombing/escort/photo recon. missions and this must have been a >nightmare to find a bunch of tiny planes in the sky, and more difficult to >discover if they are friend or foes. >Just thinking aloud... >D. > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 08:44:33 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Lance K's stuff Message-ID: <004601bf0439$50a99040$30f410d1@dora9sprynet.com> That's MY drinking problem, laddie! DB -----Original Message----- From: dfernet0 To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 5:24 AM Subject: RE: Lance K's stuff >Robert >Some people says that Dave Burke has hired one elf that you have fired last >year from your workshop. Yes, that who painted the streaks on Fokkers but >had a drinking problem. >D. >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: Multiple recipients of list >Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 12:15 AM >Subject: Lance K's stuff > > >> Give me enough time and I'll get around to looking at all the new stuff on >> the WW I page...I just got back from such an excursion- Lance has nailed >that >> Fokker streaking......I genuflect in his direction >> Robert K. >> > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 08:49:21 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: altitude attitude Message-ID: <004701bf0439$518b64c0$30f410d1@dora9sprynet.com> Hi, I know little to nothing about the altimeter settings during WWI, but as to rendesvous of different flights, well that was frequently botched. No radio communication between planes, and the only communication with the ground was usually only for the spotting of artillery. Mid-air collisions happened, and basically, whenever I am forced to fly (at gunpoint), I think back to the days of flying minus modern equipment and what kind of cojones is took. DB -----Original Message----- From: dfernet0 To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 7:23 AM Subject: altitude attitude >Hi list >Since there's many knoledgeable aviation historians in this list, I want to >ask a question about something I was reading last night. During WW1, there >wasn't such a thing as aerial traffic control, isn't it? at least not as we >know it now. Then, when you read something like "We were patrolling at 3000 >ft. over Arras" what do they meant? The indicated "hight" over Arras, with >their altimeters set at the airfield, the "altitude" (QFE) over sea level >(QNH) or from a fixed QNE over a transition level? Can I assume that all the >airplanes flew on what we call nowadays Visual Flight Rules? How they >managed to avoid crashes in the sky? There were a inter-airfield >coordination of patrols? there were so few airplanes that all this were >unnecesary? What colour of underwear the pilots wore? >I ask this since I've read that large assembies of aircraft used to meet for >patrolling/bombing/escort/photo recon. missions and this must have been a >nightmare to find a bunch of tiny planes in the sky, and more difficult to >discover if they are friend or foes. >Just thinking aloud... >D. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 08:51:30 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: 3 Amigos Message-ID: <004801bf0439$52766100$30f410d1@dora9sprynet.com> Yer married. And the only one who is remotely cute (looks like that Mastoantonio actress chick) is married too. You need sleep. DB -----Original Message----- From: Ernest Thomas To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Monday, September 20, 1999 11:45 PM Subject: Re: 3 Amigos >DAVID BURKE wrote: >> >> Y'all oughta meet the Burke clan! > >Yeah? Any cute ones that I can combine DNA with? >To bed fer me. L8r. >E. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 08:56:55 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Camel cowl. was Blue Max Message-ID: <004901bf0439$53583580$30f410d1@dora9sprynet.com> Hey Sandy, Now I have the Datafile, but don't see the difference between the Clerget and Bentley cowls. Where should I be looking. And was Brown's plane a Bentley (I forgot) or a Clerget - seeing that I know diddly-squat about Camels, what decal sheet would suit the bugger once I slap a Clerget in it? DB -----Original Message----- From: Sandy Adam To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 3:44 AM Subject: Re: Camel cowl. was Blue Max >>And the ripple effect. Other than that, the shapes look right, the parts >>line up, and I'm gonna build the damned thing.... > >Well, I did three of them (they're on the web page) and I think it has more >of the look of a Camel than any other kit I've seen so far. >A fourth is sitting half-made on the workbench still, undecided as to >whether it will be Kissenberth's machine or Brown's or a Naval Striper or >the Ruston 1,000th! >Sandy > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 15:36:43 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Camel cowl. was Blue Max Message-ID: <022a01bf043e$bdde2900$08e8b094@sandyada> >From memory, the Bentley Camel cowl looks more like the cowl on a Snipe - sort of semi-circular hooded bit on top. Again from memory I thought Brown's was a Clerget but I could well be wrong. I have The Camel File and this identifies engines for nearly every serial - I'll check. Aeroclub do a nice metal Clerget with PE rods, but they have not released their Bentley as yet although it has been in their catalogue for a coupla years. I have some nice pics of a Bentley from East Fortune Museum if anybody wants (Surprised that so few of you wanted the Albatros Seat!) If you need to know engine of any particular Camel, give me serial and I'll look it up for you. Sandy -----Original Message----- From: DAVID BURKE To: Multiple recipients of list Date: 21 September 1999 15:10 Subject: Re: Camel cowl. was Blue Max >Hey Sandy, > > Now I have the Datafile, but don't see the difference between the >Clerget and Bentley cowls. Where should I be looking. And was Brown's >plane a Bentley (I forgot) or a Clerget - seeing that I know diddly-squat >about Camels, what decal sheet would suit the bugger once I slap a Clerget >in it? > > >DB >-----Original Message----- >From: Sandy Adam >To: Multiple recipients of list >Date: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 3:44 AM >Subject: Re: Camel cowl. was Blue Max > > >>>And the ripple effect. Other than that, the shapes look right, the parts >>>line up, and I'm gonna build the damned thing.... >> >>Well, I did three of them (they're on the web page) and I think it has more >>of the look of a Camel than any other kit I've seen so far. >>A fourth is sitting half-made on the workbench still, undecided as to >>whether it will be Kissenberth's machine or Brown's or a Naval Striper or >>the Ruston 1,000th! >>Sandy >> > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 10:05:20 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Lance's Fokker Message-ID: Diego asks: " the spoked wheels of the Fokker: PE or scratchbuilt?" PE from the kit. I don't think it's worth scratchbuilding wheels, myself. Any dissenting opinions? Lance ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 10:22:03 -0500 From: Jack Berlien To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Acrylic Paint Damage by Washing / Soaking Message-ID: Thanks Tom, for the insight on this. What you say makes perfect sense - just didn't think about it first time around. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I figure next time if I just wash the unpainted parts by hand (rather than soaking) and rinse, then I should be OK, right? Best regards, Jack > -----Original Message----- > From: Albatrosdv@aol.com [mailto:Albatrosdv@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, September 20, 1999 4:03 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Acrylic Paint Damage by Washing / Soaking > > > In a message dated 99-09-20 15:53:30 EDT, you write: > > << > After rinsing the model and drying I discovered that the > turquoise had a > spotty film > over it, that didn't seem to want to come off any other way > other than > scraping, which > was impractical. > > I thought acrylics were impervious to water once dry and > cured - do you > suppose it was the dishwashing soap that did this? Note that the > Pollyscale > green seemed to be unaffected, but it may just be the color making it > less > noticeable. > > Best regards, >> > > Yes, acrylics *are* impervious to water once they have dried > and cured, but > *not* to the dishwashing liquid. FWIW, I use a thinned > dishwashing liquid in > water, in a spray bottle, to get off decal film, but this is > on a model that > has been coated with a clear varnish first, and I get it off > asap. I once > made the mistake of having a model sitting on the counter > while I sprayed > some "409" surface cleaner in its vicinity, which I did not > know hit the > model - which I left there for about 20 minutes - to return > and find that the > upper wing was losing its camouflage, *through* the varnish! > fortunately it > was a USAAF airplane, and the wing in question was the upper > right, so > washing it off thoroughly in clear water and drying it > allowed me to repaint > without further injury. > > The chemicals in dishwashing liquid and "409" are there to > take things off > surfaces, and they do a very good job at it. I have actually > used "409" as a > paint stripper when I was halfway through an acrylic paint > scheme and it > started to orange peel - there was no varnish on yet. The > "409" took all the > paint and turned it to liquid in a matter of minutes, which I > then washed off > under the tap. I also use "409" to clean the floor tile > under the workbench > of spills. Another good reason to use acrylics - you > couldn't do that with > the smelly old takes-forever-to-dry oil-base enamels. > > Tom Cleaver > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 16:31:56 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Camel cowl. was Blue Max Message-ID: <028801bf0446$71fb9c40$08e8b094@sandyada> Just checked The Camel File, David - you're right, B7270 was a BR1 engined machine - so the Blue Max kit is inaccurate as to engine. You get B7270 as the F.1 choice on the BM transfer sheet as at 21/4/18 - ie no fuselage roundels. Aeromaster do (did?) two sets of "colourful Camel" decal sets - one giving B7270 before, at and after 21/4/18, Pictures on http://www.aeromaster.com/ HTH Sandy -----Original Message----- From: DAVID BURKE To: Multiple recipients of list Date: 21 September 1999 15:10 Subject: Re: Camel cowl. was Blue Max >Hey Sandy, > > Now I have the Datafile, but don't see the difference between the >Clerget and Bentley cowls. Where should I be looking. And was Brown's >plane a Bentley (I forgot) or a Clerget - seeing that I know diddly-squat >about Camels, what decal sheet would suit the bugger once I slap a Clerget >in it? > > >DB >-----Original Message----- >From: Sandy Adam >To: Multiple recipients of list >Date: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 3:44 AM >Subject: Re: Camel cowl. was Blue Max > > >>>And the ripple effect. Other than that, the shapes look right, the parts >>>line up, and I'm gonna build the damned thing.... >> >>Well, I did three of them (they're on the web page) and I think it has more >>of the look of a Camel than any other kit I've seen so far. >>A fourth is sitting half-made on the workbench still, undecided as to >>whether it will be Kissenberth's machine or Brown's or a Naval Striper or >>the Ruston 1,000th! >>Sandy >> > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 10:33:40 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Fokker Streaking Message-ID: Thanks for the kind words,all, about the D.VII Alan recently added to the Web page. I'll take E.'s challenge on the constructive criticism by inviting it on this interpretation of the streaking. Clearly the Anthology contributors are convinced that this color should be much greener than hitherto depicted. My Dr.I looks a lot more like David's recent trio, more olive/brown over CDL, so I hesitated to embark on this version. Anyone care to offer a theory that embraces both depictions? The Anthology quotes an old Fokker mechanic who recalled the machines were delivered green, which changed to brown over the passage of some weeks. Personally, I gnash my teeth whenever new research overturns a preconception and renders one of my models "wrong". At least I don't have any KuK machines that are caught in the grays vs. tan/green conundrum! Lance ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 08:50:32 PDT From: "PETER LEONARD" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Camel cowl. was Blue Max Message-ID: <19990921155033.80523.qmail@hotmail.com> Dave, the cowling is slightly but noticably bulged to accommodate the larger engine. I went to the trouble of modifying the Aeroclub Clerget for a Salamander, but so little of the changes are visible I just used an unmodified casting for my Snipe. It's not something to get into a lather about (somehow I don't think you are), the only people who'll notice are we happy few and, as Ernest has pointed out, we're much too polite to say anything:) Peter Leonard ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 13:02:20 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Camel cowl. was Blue Max Message-ID: <001701bf044a$afc0c380$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> ----- Original Message ----- From: Sandy Adam >(Surprised that so few of you wanted the Albatros Seat!) > Sandy You have an Albatros seat picture? I missed that post! from wich model? TIA D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 13:04:27 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Lance's Fokker Message-ID: <001d01bf044a$fb1dfa00$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Lance Excellent job, whatever the method is. This and the "squiggy" cowl makes this model outstanding. D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lance Krieg To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 12:05 PM Subject: Re: Lance's Fokker > Diego asks: > > " the spoked wheels of the Fokker: PE or scratchbuilt?" > > PE from the kit. I don't think it's worth scratchbuilding wheels, myself. > > Any dissenting opinions? > > Lance > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 12:48:31 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Acrylic Paint Damage by Washing / Soaking Message-ID: In a message dated 99-09-21 11:17:16 EDT, you write: << Correct me if I'm wrong, but I figure next time if I just wash the unpainted parts by hand (rather than soaking) and rinse, then I should be OK, right? Best regards, >> Yes. Soapy water is OK, but just do the whole process as one - no "soaking." Tom ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1872 **********************