WWI Digest 1865 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Bamboo struts by Goebel Family 2) OT - East Timor by Shane Weier 3) Re: OT - East Timor by Dale Beamish <31241054@3web.net> 4) RE: Lozenge by Shane Weier 5) Re: I'lya hanger by Michael Kendix 6) Re: Bamboo struts by ERIC HIGHT 7) RE: The Gotha Dilemma by Shane Weier 8) RE: I'lya hanger by Shane Weier 9) RE: Bamboo struts by Shane Weier 10) Re:Narrow Gauge at War by "Charles and Linda Duckworth" 11) Re: I'lya hanger by "DAVID BURKE" 12) Re: Narrow Gauge at War by Matthew E Bittner 13) Berg D.I Colors by "Bruce Simard" 14) Re: I'lya hanger by Dennis Ugulano 15) Re: Berg D.I Colors by Dennis Ugulano 16) Re: Squasta by "Michael S. Alvarado" 17) Dust Free Models by THENRYS@aol.com 18) Re: I'lya hanger by Ernest Thomas 19) Re: Berg D.I Colors by "DAVID BURKE" 20) Re: Berg D.I Colors by "Sandy Adam" 21) Re: Another intro by "Sandy Adam" 22) Re: The Mannock Trophy..Was Another intro by "PETER LEONARD" 23) Re: OT - East Timor by Pedro e Francisca Soares 24) Re: I'lya hanger by BEN8800@aol.com 25) Re: I'lya hanger by smperry@mindspring.com 26) Re: I'lya hanger by "Bob Pearson" 27) Re: I'lya hanger by BEN8800@aol.com 28) Re: I'lya hanger by "DAVID BURKE" 29) Check this out! by "DAVID BURKE" 30) Re: I'lya hanger by smperry@mindspring.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 16:39:36 -0700 From: Goebel Family To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Bamboo struts Message-ID: <37E2D137.4A4F45C6@gte.net> Mike Franklin wrote: > Way back in the 'dark ages' when I first started modeling WW-1, a rather > common trick was to use bamboo shaved to a fine line to represent the flying > wires on a 1/48 Sopwith Camel and such. On the Camel, as well as many > others, the flying wires were actually two wires with a wood spacer between > and then wrapped with tape. The visual effect was one rather wide wire, > with forked ends where they joined the structure. > > Mike Franklin > Bellingham, WA > "No man is so hated as he who will drive the speed limit" I became familiar with using bamboo while building a flying model of a Sommers monoplane. It worked great for replicating wood landing gear and tail skids and could easily be bent into curved shapes by holding it over a heat source such as a candle. On the Camel flying wires, I was under the impression that RAF flying wires were used...perhaps on later versions? Question. Is anyone familiar with the German 1/28 Revell Fok.D.VII and if so is the lozenge which is supplied accurate and was it just used on the top of the wings? Many thanks. Craig Goebel Everett, WA ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 09:45:13 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi'" Subject: OT - East Timor Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD475B58@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Hi all, Tomorrow (probably) an Australian General will lead 8000 UN troops into the troubled island of East Timor to - we hope - bring peace to our near neighbour. I know this is o.t. but a scan of the list of countries sending soldiers into harms way in a bid to secure peace and prosperity for others is as instructive as looking at the recently compiled list of list members. Since the end of the cold war, and with the rapidly increasing reach of the internet, it has become harder and harder for the people of this planet to imagine that "them over there" have two heads and eat babies. It's pleasing to note that *every* country which has a member in the list has sent (or intends to send) soldiers, ships, humanitarian assistance or financial support, perhaps an indication that continued interaction at the personal level of their ordinary people (and we extraordinary ones ;-) is bringing the worlds people a little closer. (Sidebars: Japan is sending troops. I believe that this is the first time since WW2 that they have elected to send troops overseas, rather than providing financial aid to others. Argentina is sending troops to serve alongside British ones - has this happened since Falklands/Malvinas? Two Australian and one Portuguese filed hospital will be sent - let us hope they spend their time treating blisters only) Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 17:52:16 -0600 From: Dale Beamish <31241054@3web.net> To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: OT - East Timor Message-ID: <37E2D42F.D63C15F6@3web.net> The world is too small a place to allow this sort of thing to continue. It's about time something is done. Dale Shane Weier wrote: > Hi all, > > Tomorrow (probably) an Australian General will lead 8000 UN troops into the > troubled island of East Timor to - we hope - bring peace to our near > neighbour. I know this is o.t. but a scan of the list of countries sending > soldiers into harms way in a bid to secure peace and prosperity for others > is as instructive as looking at the recently compiled list of list members. > > Since the end of the cold war, and with the rapidly increasing reach of the > internet, it has become harder and harder for the people of this planet to > imagine that "them over there" have two heads and eat babies. It's > pleasing to note that *every* country which has a member in the list has > sent (or intends to send) soldiers, ships, humanitarian assistance or > financial support, perhaps an indication that continued interaction at the > personal level of their ordinary people (and we extraordinary ones ;-) is > bringing the worlds people a little closer. > > (Sidebars: Japan is sending troops. I believe that this is the first time > since WW2 that they have elected to send troops overseas, rather than > providing financial aid to others. Argentina is sending troops to serve > alongside British ones - has this happened since Falklands/Malvinas? Two > Australian and one Portuguese filed hospital will be sent - let us hope they > spend their time treating blisters only) > > Shane > ************************************************************** > The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential > and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). > If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution > or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are > requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems > to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. > E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. > ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 09:58:41 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Lozenge Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD475B59@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Lance, > Not according to Dan San Abbot or the authors of the Albatros > Fokker D.VII Anthology. While they report variations in the > seam placement on the wings, all were covered chord-wise. > > I have always been suspicious of the span-wise coverage, > which, as far as I know, is restricted to the single Albatros > in Canberra. Nope. There are several period photos clearly showing the spanwise seams on Albatrii. Unfortunately, since the last time I was researching this question i've forgotten *which* photos. OldTimers disease setting in Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 20:06:14 EDT From: Michael Kendix To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: I'lya hanger Message-ID: <19990917.200120.4455.1.mkendix@juno.com> >On Fri, 17 Sep 1999 17:12:40 -0400 (EDT) smperry@mindspring.com >writes: > >> How do you clean dust off your models? > Steve: There is a U.S. chain called "The Container Store" that sells 9" x 9" x 3" clear plastic cases. They are advertized as souvenir or trophy cases and sell for $10. Yes, not cheap but in 1/72nd scale I have 2 D.VII's a Dr.I and a Pflaz in one and a Snipe, Tripehound, SE5a and a S-16 in the other -I like to keep the Allies and Axis seperate :) In another I have the single and 2-seater Sopwith Strutters - just give you an idea of what fits in them. I'm sure dust gets in but not as much as a cabinet and obviously it's better than leaving them out. Michael ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 17:07:17 -0700 From: ERIC HIGHT To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Bamboo struts Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990917170717.00717c88@pop.amug.org> craig, in answer to your question, NO! the loz. is not even close IMHO and i think alot of people would agree. from the factory the whole a/c was covered with loz. upper on all upper surfaces including fuselage sides and the bottom surfaces, fus.,wings,tailplane and u/c "wing" were covered with the lower pattern. the upper is darker than the lower. i believe for that scheme to be correct you also need to do the undersides of the wings fus. etc. with lower patern(not provided in the kit). it seems some pilots painted almost or in some cases all of the a/c surfaces. when not painted then it would be loz. we are coming out with 4 color upper and lower loz. by about mid- late october. and to be totaly fair it seems that a/g is also coming out with some and 5 color also. we are going to give you enough to do the whole a/c. i don't know about a/g. hope this helps and if i didn't get it all correct then i am sure someone will correct me! eric ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 10:13:57 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: The Gotha Dilemma Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD475B5A@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Dave > That's the 'St. Harry' that I hear spoken of in reverent > whispers? Is there > a bio out about him somewhere? > Inside the FMP Russian volume - he's the contributor of the Il'ya drawings and as an EVK expert of considerable standing probably a source of information and review. Hitting the highlights - born 1929, an ex mechant seaman and RAF member. Author of Scale Model Aircraft in Plastic Card (Argus, 1975,1977), and "Early Aircraft Armament: The aircraft and the gun up to 1918" (Smithsonian Press 1989), and armament advisor to the RAF Museum and the Canadian National Museum of Science. Note - he's 70, and Ian Stair is 78. None of us is getting any younger. Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 10:19:45 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: I'lya hanger Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD475B5B@mimhexch.mim.com.au> > Steven Perry inquires: > > "How do you clean dust off your models?" > and lance answers: > By never letting them get dusty in the first place. > Ditto. I don't have a glass case, and those I know who *do* have cases tell me they don't eliminate dust but at least make the cleaning task a yearly job at worst. Mine are kept in sealed clear plastic boxes - not so fancy but cheap, and as I rarely keep a model longer than 5 years before scrapping it the system suits me Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 10:29:43 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Bamboo struts Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD475B5C@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Eric posts: > and u/c "wing" were > covered with the lower pattern. I have real doubts that this is true. The axle wing fairing is made of plywood, and (depending on manufacturer and date of manufacture) is able to be opened to get at the axle itself, a task made awkward if fabric was doped over it. For example, OAW machines *usually* have axle fairings doped half and half (VERY approximately) mauve and green. This can be seen in dozens of clear photos (see Fokker D.VII anthology, pp 3 and 4), while I am entirely unable to recall even *one* which clearly shows the fairing covered in loz - it may have happened but if so it was rare. Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 20:00:45 -0500 From: "Charles and Linda Duckworth" To: Subject: Re:Narrow Gauge at War Message-ID: <004101bf0171$3f284840$b62c57d8@cnlduckwor> >I'm intrigued. Could you tell a bit more about this book, please? Have >you seen _Narrow Guage to No Man's Land_? >Matt Bittner Matt, there are a couple of OT narrow gauge books - Narrow Gauge to No Man's Land by Richard Dunn on the AEF 60 cm gauge railways photos track diagrams and equipment diagrams(hardbound) - Narrow Gauge ar War by Keith Taylorson printed in GB by Plateway Press (softbound) - Narrow Gauge at War Volune Two same as above - Railways and War Before 1918 by Bishop and Davies water color and pen and ink drawings with history in the back - Light Railways of the First World War by Davies 1967 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 20:07:51 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: I'lya hanger Message-ID: <003901bf0172$4fc567e0$5282aec7@dora9sprynet.com> True. DB -----Original Message----- From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Friday, September 17, 1999 6:14 PM Subject: Re: I'lya hanger > > >>Ahh, the dust-free environment of the glass case. Steve, you are about to >>be introduced to one of the great mysteries of Man: the model has been in >>the case, the rear doors have been closed - How in the Hell did it get all >>dusty? >> >> When you figure it out, tell me, as I haven't been able to figure it >out >>over the last several years. > > >I have no doubt that dust will eventually make it in there, but it will take >it a lot longer than the open shelf that now houses my models. > >sp > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 20:13:05 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Narrow Gauge at War Message-ID: <19990917.201306.-37583.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Fri, 17 Sep 1999 20:57:14 -0400 (EDT) "Charles and Linda Duckworth" writes: > Matt, there are a couple of OT narrow gauge books Thanks! I didn't realise there was so much. Cool! My dream: to make either a 1/72nd or 1/87th working dio... Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 21:57:18 -0500 From: "Bruce Simard" To: "WW1 List" Subject: Berg D.I Colors Message-ID: <001201bf0181$9a5f2980$e11e8cd0@com> Gents, We've been discussing the Albatross colors quite a bit recently, and Eduard's rendition of them. Now granted, I don't build in the "Manly" scale..1/48th. (Actually...substitute Thumb scale !) But I'm just wondering what the list feels about Toko's rendition of AH Lozenge on the Berg DI. Personnaly, it reminds me of the late 60's fashions. But I intend on using Americals version,(In the "True" scale,of course !) any comments on their colors ? By comparing them to the FMP books, I've been favorably impressed. Has anyone on the list already completed one of Toko's Bergs ? ... Standing by for incoming!!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 22:06:02 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: I'lya hanger Message-ID: <199909172206_MC2-8550-D6C6@compuserve.com> SP, I have always had my models "under glass" so to speak. About 10 years ago I purchased a Hexagon glass case, 6' tall with a locking door. I added nine shelves and today it houses my entire collection taking up 2 sq ft of floor space. It has been a hobby shop all but 3 months of the time I have owned it. Not only is it dust resistant (only a vacuum is dust proof), it is also hands proof. Nothing has been damaged in the 10 years it has spent at a hobby shop. Now, how to dust models. Hard question. I use a makeup brush and air from my compressor. A long bushy brush for in-between the wings to loosen the dust then blow it off with the airbrush. The main thing of course is never to let dust get on them. The display case is going to protect your collection for many years. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://members.xoom.com/Uggies/dju.htm Page Revised 9/12/99 "Every modeller will rise to his own level of masochism" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 22:17:24 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Berg D.I Colors Message-ID: <199909172217_MC2-8551-8E9A@compuserve.com> >> But I'm just wondering what the list feels about Toko's rendition of AH Lozenge on the Berg DI. Personnaly, it reminds me of the late 60's fashions. << I have the Aeroclub D.1 completed using Americal sheet # 13. Since TOKO has yet to get any colors right to date, I'm going to stick with Americal. >> By comparing them to the FMP books, I've been favorably impressed. << I like the TOKO kits in spite of their imperfection. They go together nice and look good when complete. I have 11 TOKO kits with seven completed. I use them for a quick build when I need to turn out a kit in a hurry. :-) And I'm not sure what this 1/4something scale you are referring to. Dennis (Standing next to you waiting for incoming. You better run. It's not going to be pretty) Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://members.xoom.com/Uggies/dju.htm Page Revised 9/12/99 "Every modeller will rise to his own level of masochism" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 22:43:39 -0400 From: "Michael S. Alvarado" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Squasta Message-ID: <37E2FC5B.BBC33A74@bellatlantic.net> Walter, I'll have to check this out. The man who owns Ravensworth Shopping Center was my landlord for 14 years. I rented his sole remaining non-commercial property. I used to run my rent checks over to his office there for years and used to go by Kilroy's on my way to his office. I don't recall a WWI Aero theme there then again I wasn't paying too much attention. I'll be down that way tomorrow and try to check it out. Alvie "WALTER H. APPEL" wrote: > There is a Kilroy's close to Grandad's in the shopping center on the > right of Port Royal Road and Braddock. Many years ago, around ten I > believe, it had a WWI Aero theme in the bar. It is a bit of a drive for > your Prince George member but close enough to Grandad's to make a > shopping stop. Give them a call, I'm sure they would like to sponser a > club like that. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 23:14:15 EDT From: THENRYS@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Dust Free Models Message-ID: <61f2860e.25145d87@aol.com> You are correct in that the question of how the dust gets into the glass case is on par with the sound of one hand clapping. This may be a common solution, but for dusting models, I use a photographer's puff brush, which allows you to wipe the flat surfaces free of dust while puffing the more delicate areas without making physical contact with them. Works for me, but as always, YMMV. Todd Henry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 23:10:02 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: I'lya hanger Message-ID: <37E3109A.19D4@bellsouth.net> smperry@mindspring.com wrote: > How do you clean dust off your models? First I threaten the dust. But if threats don't work, I put the models in the dishwasher. On the gentle cycle, of course. Seriously, I just try to never let the dust get on them in the first place. And I saw an article once about using dust mites to clean models. The example used was one of those sailing spiderwebs, and the before and after pictures were amazing. And in truth, I've been known to give a model a good swish in a sink of warm soapy water, then a rinse in clean water. But that was with Spits, and One-oh-thingies, and not with real models that have wires and lots of sticky-outy things. E. The night Max wore his wolf suit and made mischif of one kind... and another... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 00:00:55 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Berg D.I Colors Message-ID: <002201bf0193$97b67280$d087aec7@dora9sprynet.com> Actually, I haven't seen the lozenge sheet that you're referring to, Bruce, but I did see the lozenge sheet for the upcoming Eduard Taube kit, and the lozenge is pretty bright! Try getting in touch with FMP, they have a book on the Berg D.1 (mine is on order and I haven't gotten it yet). DB -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Simard To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Friday, September 17, 1999 9:03 PM Subject: Berg D.I Colors >Gents, > We've been discussing the Albatross colors quite a bit recently, and >Eduard's rendition of them. Now granted, I don't build in the "Manly" >scale..1/48th. (Actually...substitute Thumb scale !) But I'm just wondering >what the list feels about Toko's rendition of AH Lozenge on the Berg DI. >Personnaly, it reminds me of the late 60's fashions. But I intend on using >Americals version,(In the "True" scale,of course !) any comments on their >colors ? By comparing them to the FMP books, I've been favorably impressed. >Has anyone on the list already completed one of Toko's Bergs ? >.. Standing by for incoming!!! > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 10:41:24 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Berg D.I Colors Message-ID: <005a01bf01bb$99403fa0$37e8b094@sandyada> Lozenge on a Taube? I think you'll find the FMP book is on the Brandenburg D.I - the "Starstrutter" - however I would very much like to be wrong on this! Sandy -----Original Message----- From: DAVID BURKE To: Multiple recipients of list Date: 18 September 1999 06:15 Subject: Re: Berg D.I Colors >Actually, I haven't seen the lozenge sheet that you're referring to, Bruce, >but I did see the lozenge sheet for the upcoming Eduard Taube kit, and the >lozenge is pretty bright! Try getting in touch with FMP, they have a book >on the Berg D.1 (mine is on order and I haven't gotten it yet). > > >DB >-----Original Message----- >From: Bruce Simard >To: Multiple recipients of list >Date: Friday, September 17, 1999 9:03 PM >Subject: Berg D.I Colors > > >>Gents, >> We've been discussing the Albatross colors quite a bit recently, and >>Eduard's rendition of them. Now granted, I don't build in the "Manly" >>scale..1/48th. (Actually...substitute Thumb scale !) But I'm just wondering >>what the list feels about Toko's rendition of AH Lozenge on the Berg DI. >>Personnaly, it reminds me of the late 60's fashions. But I intend on using >>Americals version,(In the "True" scale,of course !) any comments on their >>colors ? By comparing them to the FMP books, I've been favorably impressed. >>Has anyone on the list already completed one of Toko's Bergs ? >>.. Standing by for incoming!!! >> > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 10:51:30 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Another intro Message-ID: <005b01bf01bb$9a221420$37e8b094@sandyada> Hi John Please give Geoff my best regards. I last saw him at the Scottish Nats at Stirling where he swept the board with his 1/48 Hannover Cl.II converted from the Eduard kit. Peter - do go down the M56 - it will be well worth it. Geoff sells for enthusiasts - he sold me a stack of about 20 Eduard kits at 6 pounds each - and some old Auroras - Halberstadt etc for less than 20 quid. It was also Geoff that first had the JaPo Albatros OEF book (at Telford last year.) A really good guy - I'm sure Peter must have met him before though? (He's won the Mannock Trophy etc.) Sandy -----Original Message----- From: PETER LEONARD To: Multiple recipients of list Date: 17 September 1999 17:33 Subject: Re: Another intro >>>...he intends to streamline the shop from a general model shop to a WW1 >specialist,...<< > >A WW1 secialist! Forty minutes down the M56! Pinch me someone! > >Peter Leonard >IPMS UK >Lancashire & Cheshire Branch >http://www.storks.cwc.net >http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com >PeterL@cwcom.net > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 03:41:59 PDT From: "PETER LEONARD" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The Mannock Trophy..Was Another intro Message-ID: <19990918104159.65487.qmail@hotmail.com> Sandy writes >>I'm sure Peter must have met him before though? (He's won the Mannock Trophy etc.)<< Sandy, yeh but it was a very bad year. Off hand I can't remember a single Maltese entry ;¬) Peter ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 14:37:13 +0100 From: Pedro e Francisca Soares To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: OT - East Timor Message-ID: <37E39588.62D2367C@mail.telepac.pt> Shane Weier wrote: > Hi all, > > Tomorrow (probably) an Australian General will lead 8000 UN troops into the > troubled island of East Timor to - we hope - bring peace to our near > neighbour. Godspeed Australia and New Zealand and all the others that go in. Portugal, at the request of the Secretary General of the UN, will not send troops in during the phirst phase (as much as this has been against the general consensus here in Portugal) but as Shane says 2 Antonov loads of humanitarian help including a field hospital, fire fighting vehicles, and medical personnel is in Darwin right now awaiting the go-ahead sign, and never have I seen such mobilization from the Portuguese people since the days of the revolution that finally brought about democracy to Portugal. I wish that Timor Loro Sae marks a turning point in the history of the UN. We owe it to the inocent People of Rwanda, Angola, Kosowo, Bosnia... Through you, dear friends, let me thank your countries for the firm support to the International force that will be deployed to east Timor. It's not a question of politics, it's a question of Humanity. > > > (Sidebars: Japan is sending troops. I believe that this is the first time > since WW2 that they have elected to send troops overseas, rather than > providing financial aid to others. Argentina is sending troops to serve > alongside British ones - has this happened since Falklands/Malvinas? > Shane > * Shane, These are not sidebars, these are notes of hope in mankind. At least I want to have it. Um grande abraco to you all Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 09:58:21 EDT From: BEN8800@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: I'lya hanger Message-ID: I haven't been paying much attention to abbreviations. What is I'Iya? Ben ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 10:20:33 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: I'lya hanger Message-ID: <000801bf01e0$f9634d80$e62845cf@default> >I haven't been paying much attention to abbreviations. What is I'Iya? > >Ben Ben: I'lya is short for I'lya Mourmets. This is the world's first 4 engined bomber designed by Igor Sikorski and used by the Imperial Russian Air Service. (IRAS) during WWI. The Soviets operated later versions up intil 1921 or 22. ICM and Maquette both put out 1:72 kits of thiss aircraft. I am building the ICM, (since May). below are a few URL's BTW: I know very little abput Jenny's, but I've been following your posts in search of specifics and I will definately be awaiting the release of the kit. Regards sp http://www.aviation.ru/Sikorski/ http://www.ase.ee/~star/air/russia/russki_vitjaz.html http://www.sikorskyarchives.com// http://www.sikorskyarchives.com//s-22.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 07:43:23 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: I'lya hanger Message-ID: <199909181451.HAA30689@mail.rapidnet.net> The Il'ya Muromets was a hero in Russian mythology and was also the name given to the four engined aircraft developed by Sikorsky prior to WW1. Bob ---------- >From: BEN8800@aol.com >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: I'lya hanger >Date: Sat, Sep 18, 1999, 6:58 AM > > I haven't been paying much attention to abbreviations. What is I'Iya? > > Ben ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 10:50:20 EDT From: BEN8800@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: I'lya hanger Message-ID: <45ede6ea.251500ac@aol.com> In a message dated 9/18/99 10:22:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, smperry@mindspring.com writes: << Ben: I'lya is short for I'lya Mourmets. This is the world's first 4 engined bomber designed by Igor Sikorski and used by the Imperial Russian Air Service. (IRAS) during WWI. The Soviets operated later versions up intil 1921 or 22. >> Thanks. I thought this meant something like IMHO. You live and learn. But now I still don't know what I'Iya means? Ben ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 09:56:14 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: I'lya hanger Message-ID: <000801bf01e5$f5b23a20$1b88aec7@dora9sprynet.com> According to earlier posts, I'lya Muromets was some sort of Russian historical hero or something. Basically I'lya=really big plane! DB -----Original Message----- From: BEN8800@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Saturday, September 18, 1999 9:51 AM Subject: Re: I'lya hanger >In a message dated 9/18/99 10:22:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >smperry@mindspring.com writes: > ><< Ben: > > I'lya is short for I'lya Mourmets. This is the world's first 4 engined > bomber designed by Igor Sikorski and used by the Imperial Russian Air > Service. (IRAS) during WWI. The Soviets operated later versions up intil > 1921 or 22. >> > >Thanks. I thought this meant something like IMHO. You live and learn. But now >I still don't know what I'Iya means? > >Ben ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 10:02:44 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Check this out! Message-ID: <001a01bf01e6$de5547e0$1b88aec7@dora9sprynet.com> Hey gang, Check out this link that was forwarded to me this A.M. Off topic in the strictest sense, but a wonderful diorama that should bring back memories of some wasted days... http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=82456&a=669746&p=12182413&Sequence=1 DB ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 11:17:17 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: I'lya hanger Message-ID: <001b01bf01e8$e65da340$e62845cf@default> >According to earlier posts, I'lya Muromets was some sort of Russian >historical hero or something. Basically I'lya=really big plane! More specifically, I'lya = A really complex model far in excess of my normal attention span ;-) sp Geeze, I'm starting to whine like RK when he got near the end of his scratch built 0/400 and the only things scratched on the I'lya are the seat, the interior ladder, engine push rods, magneto drive belts the rudder and the interplane struts. My hat is off to anyone who can finish a large multi engine WWI project, scratch or kit. sp ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1865 **********************