WWI Digest 1864 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Eduard Help by Dale Beamish <31241054@3web.net> 2) Re: Eduard Help by "Mike" 3) Re: Eduard Help by "Mike" 4) ATT. DIEGO by pedro 5) RE: The Gotha Dilemma by Shane Weier 6) RE: Bamboo struts by Shane Weier 7) RE: Eduard Help by Shane Weier 8) RE: Eduard Help by Shane Weier 9) Re: Eduard Help by Dale Beamish <31241054@3web.net> 10) Lozenge by Dale Beamish <31241054@3web.net> 11) Re: Lozenge by "Lance Krieg" 12) Re: Eduard Help by "PETER LEONARD" 13) Another intro by "John Sharp" 14) RE: ATT. DIEGO by "dfernet0" 15) Re: Another intro by "PETER LEONARD" 16) temporarily unsubbing by "ep" 17) Re: Another intro by "DAVID BURKE" 18) Re: The Gotha Dilemma by "DAVID BURKE" 19) Re: The Gotha Dilemma by "DAVID BURKE" 20) Re: Another intro by Matthew E Bittner 21) Scapa Flow by "Brad Gossen" 22) Re: Another intro by smperry@mindspring.com 23) Re: Bamboo struts by "Mike Franklin" 24) I'lya hanger by smperry@mindspring.com 25) Re: I'lya hanger by "Lance Krieg" 26) Re: I'lya hanger by "DAVID BURKE" 27) Re: I'lya hanger by Matthew E Bittner 28) Re: I'lya hanger by smperry@mindspring.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 23:51:38 -0600 From: Dale Beamish <31241054@3web.net> To: LIST Subject: Eduard Help Message-ID: <37E1D6EA.67C5499C@3web.net> After taking advice from the list regarding the star spangled Alb I purchased kit # 8030 which included lozenge. The top is similar to Americal 5 color but on the green shade. Can anything be done to tone it closer? Has anyone used this sheet? I am defiantly giving up on the bottom. Orange doesn't sit right! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 05:47:22 -0700 From: "Mike" To: Subject: Re: Eduard Help Message-ID: <008c01bf010a$ca190000$6c8c3ace@default> Aside from the colors, which are better than the TOKO 1/72nd disasters, there is one big mistake. Eduard provides a sheet with lozenge for the wings done in a chordwise layout. Albatros applied lozenge fabric spanwise accross the wing. I built a Eduard Albatros before my involvement with this austere group and used the kit decals. I feel that a good 5 color aftermarket applied spanwise accross the wing will greatly enhance the finished product. I plan on using Aeromaster 5 color on my Udet DVa project. Mike Dicianna "Der Rote Modellflugzeugbauer" > After taking advice from the list regarding the star spangled Alb I > purchased kit # 8030 which included lozenge. The top is similar to > Americal 5 color but on the green shade. Can anything be done to tone it > closer? Has anyone used this sheet? I am defiantly giving up on the > bottom. Orange doesn't sit right! > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 05:50:27 -0700 From: "Mike" To: Subject: Re: Eduard Help Message-ID: <009901bf010b$38d1ba00$6c8c3ace@default> The biggest problem with the eduard decals are they are printed in a chordwise application to the wings. Albatros aircraft had their lozenge material applied spanwise. The colors of the lozenge printed by Edwierd are passable, just 90 degrees wrong. I plan on using aeromaster 5 color lozenge on my Udet DVa project. Mike Dicianna "Der Rote Modellflugzeugbauer" > After taking advice from the list regarding the star spangled Alb I > purchased kit # 8030 which included lozenge. The top is similar to > Americal 5 color but on the green shade. Can anything be done to tone it > closer? Has anyone used this sheet? > > Dale > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:03:40 +0100 From: pedro To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: ATT. DIEGO Message-ID: <37E211FC.F9F1A3DE@mail.telepac.pt> Diego, my mail to you is bouncing back. Did you get the Albatross stuff? Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 23:20:29 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: The Gotha Dilemma Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD475B54@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Dave mentions: > Rosemount Hobby stocks the Fotocut " WWI PARTS EXTRAVAGANZA" > it has bits for > guns, instruments, seats, prop bosses, you name it, you'll > probably spread it > over several kits on both sides of the war or you can by > individual components > on smaller sheets. I've gotten a lot of miles out of my 1/72 sheet. IIRC this is made from master drawings produced by (who else) Harry Woodman, and is the oldest etched brass accessory set on the market. If my recollection of the article in Scale Models is correct this was his first attempt to use photoetching to produce aircraft parts; he paid Fotocut to produce the first fret for him and later Fotocut marketed the fret to others. I bought three of them years ago and still have lots of usefull bits. Actually, at my rate of advance, I have enough bits to last a looooong time. Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 23:24:11 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Bamboo struts Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD475B55@mimhexch.mim.com.au> RK, > > The only souvineer I picked up in Arkansas was a pack of > bamboo skewers > almost 1/4" in diameter- I'd never seen any quite this big. > Got about 50 in a > bag for......'bout a buck 19! I use bamboo chopsticks for the same purpose, having been led along this path by Joey Valenciano about 4 years ago. Most bamboo skewers I see here are too small to use for 1/48 struts, and the chopsticks were available in the kitchen ! Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 23:33:00 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Eduard Help Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD475B56@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Mike, > Aside from the colors, which are better than the TOKO 1/72nd > disasters, there is one big mistake. Eduard > provides a sheet with lozenge for the wings done in a > chordwise layout. > Albatros applied lozenge fabric spanwise accross the wing. I think it's a lot more complicated than that. The Canberra D.Va has spanwise fabric - but Stropp has chordwise. Photos show *both* variations, though IIRC the chordwise is the more common. However, when decal companies were first selling loz (can you say Microscale) , their diagrams were probably based on the Canberra machine - chordwise - and it became something of a received wisdom that this was how it should be and others copied. Like many other things in WW1 history - it seems to depend. Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 23:50:30 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Eduard Help Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD475B57@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Auuggghhh. Typo time. The Canberra machine was and is covered *spanwise* as in my first mention in the below post > Mike, > > > Aside from the colors, which are better than the TOKO 1/72nd > > disasters, there is one big mistake. Eduard > > provides a sheet with lozenge for the wings done in a > > chordwise layout. > > Albatros applied lozenge fabric spanwise accross the wing. > > I think it's a lot more complicated than that. The Canberra D.Va has > spanwise fabric - but Stropp has chordwise. Photos show > *both* variations, > though IIRC the chordwise is the more common. However, when > decal companies > were first selling loz (can you say Microscale) , their diagrams were > probably based on the Canberra machine - chordwise - and it > became something > of a received wisdom that this was how it should be and > others copied. Like > many other things in WW1 history - it seems to depend. > > Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 08:46:18 -0600 From: Dale Beamish <31241054@3web.net> To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Eduard Help Message-ID: <37E25439.98467A41@3web.net> I was hoping to save it but I suppose it's not worth the effort. Did you check out the bright orange bottom? I would have taken a shot at it even if I was German! Dale Mike wrote: > Aside from the colors, which are better than the TOKO 1/72nd disasters, > there is one big mistake. Eduard > provides a sheet with lozenge for the wings done in a chordwise layout. > Albatros applied lozenge fabric > spanwise accross the wing. I built a Eduard Albatros before my involvement > with this austere group and > used the kit decals. I feel that a good 5 color aftermarket applied > spanwise accross the wing will greatly > enhance the finished product. > > I plan on using Aeromaster 5 color on my Udet DVa project. > > Mike Dicianna > "Der Rote Modellflugzeugbauer" > > > After taking advice from the list regarding the star spangled Alb I > > purchased kit # 8030 which included lozenge. The top is similar to > > Americal 5 color but on the green shade. Can anything be done to tone it > > closer? Has anyone used this sheet? I am defiantly giving up on the > > bottom. Orange doesn't sit right! > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 08:55:12 -0600 From: Dale Beamish <31241054@3web.net> To: LIST Subject: Lozenge Message-ID: <37E25650.B65715EC@3web.net> Did the Albatros factory apply the lozenge span wise for their Fokker D7s as well? Dale ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:06:03 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Lozenge Message-ID: Not according to Dan San Abbot or the authors of the Albatros Fokker D.VII Anthology. While they report variations in the seam placement on the wings, all were covered chord-wise. I have always been suspicious of the span-wise coverage, which, as far as I know, is restricted to the single Albatros in Canberra. FWIW Lance >>> Dale Beamish <31241054@3web.net> 09/17 9:58 AM >>> Did the Albatros factory apply the lozenge span wise for their Fokker D7s as well? Dale ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 08:06:52 PDT From: "PETER LEONARD" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Eduard Help Message-ID: <19990917150652.75689.qmail@hotmail.com> Dale, years ago I did the full monty on an Aurora Pfalz DIII modified to DIIIa and it is still in my display case. At the time the only lozenge available was Microscale and I was not happy with a couple of the colours, so I hand painted them according to Methuen refs after application. Later Eduard lozenge appeared and it looks almost exactly like my hand painted efforts. The only large piece of fabric I ever handled also looked decidedly green. As to the application of fabric spanwise on Albatros I'm with Shane. The fact is that 50% of surviving Albatros DV/DVa have the fabric applied spanwise, but that's only one aeroplane, the one on which most research material was available when Microscale went to work. Not many photographs show a similar application. Peter Leonard IPMS UK Lancashire & Cheshire Branch http://www.storks.cwc.net http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com PeterL@cwcom.net ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 17:01:23 +0100 From: "John Sharp" To: Subject: Another intro Message-ID: <19990917160733.61457.qmail@hotmail.com> Hi List Ive already been welcomed but I thought you may like a bit more background. First let me say how much I enjoy the banter and I look forward to giving as good as you lot give! I am John Sharp from Eastham, a small place near Liverpool in UK. I am employed as a computer slave by the local Probation Service. All my browsing is done (quickly!) at work, so I am in digest mode most of the time. I took up modeling again about 3 years ago, primarily railways - my first love - in 1/43 UK O Gauge - but recently started a 1/48 US scratch built doodlebug (thats the railway kind, not a V1) A while back I woke up one morning and felt the need to build a biplane - must have been something on TV (or maybe that cheese?) So after several attempts by my mate Andy to stick to having lots of railway projects rather than lots and lots of diverse projects, I went out and purchased an Eduard Siemans Schuckart (1/48 OF COURSE!). This is build no. 1, but is way behind no. 2 which is the Aviatik previously mentioned, as it is involving a lot of do it agains. As luck would have it, the guy in the model shop turns out to be a bit of a buff as we say round here and has now gone as far as to recently open his own shop - "Aces" in Poulton Rd, Wallasey, Merseyside (unashamed plug) which is also the unofficial hangout for the Wirral IPMS ho have a large glass display case on show. The man concerned is Geoff Stanley and in the weeks to come he intends to streamline the shop from a general model shop to a WW1 specialist, and I have twisted his arm (actually plied with beer is closer) to let me design and set up a web site for him. No e-commerce yet, but he is going to do mail order. Geoff has won one or two trophies for his WW1 aircraft and I'm hoping to steal as many of his techniques as possible!!! I have only recently taken to WW1 - even as a kid I was much more WW2, but now there are so many good books to read, and sooo many lovely kits to build - and my railway is set in the correct period too, but in England. BTW I have been itching to do a narrow gauge railway model for ages and I recently came across Narrow Gauge at War - a small book on WW1 light railways - so lets go. A few comments on recent list issues: Women in modelling - I know of very few - but they are all excellent modelers - we should encourage more. Keeping props on - I've been advised to use a tiny blob of BlueTak so they just drop of when inquisitive little fingers try em out. And so you know where my loyalties lie Football : Patriots (Sorry Jets, snigger) , Baseball : Go Red Sox ! Beer : Good old speckled red herring cropping real ale. (Jumps into foxhole and puts head down) I'm on leave next week so I'll be catching up with you all in about a fortnight - maybe see the UK crowd at Telford? Cheers! John An Englishman who owns an airbrush and sometime uses it too! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:06:02 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: "Pedro e Francisca Soares" Cc: "WW1 modeling Mail List" Subject: RE: ATT. DIEGO Message-ID: <000b01bf0126$8aa027c0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Pedro It came perfectly OK! Have you received my previous answers? I'm sending this with copy to the list, so you may read this twice. I think that the cause might be that my address has a "zero" after the "t" and sometimes it is misread as an "o". HTH D. ----- Original Message ----- From: pedro To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Friday, September 17, 1999 10:01 AM Subject: ATT. DIEGO > Diego, > > my mail to you is bouncing back. Did you get the Albatross stuff? > > > Pedro > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:24:59 PDT From: "PETER LEONARD" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Another intro Message-ID: <19990917162459.60854.qmail@hotmail.com> >>...he intends to streamline the shop from a general model shop to a WW1 specialist,...<< A WW1 secialist! Forty minutes down the M56! Pinch me someone! Peter Leonard IPMS UK Lancashire & Cheshire Branch http://www.storks.cwc.net http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com PeterL@cwcom.net ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:28:54 -0700 From: "ep" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: temporarily unsubbing Message-ID: <199909171723.KAA04583@snap.fhcrc.org> Hi All, I'll be temporarily unsubbing while I'm off to Moscow. See you in a bit. Try to behave. Uuuhhh, ok, never mind.... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:07:11 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Another intro Message-ID: <006101bf0138$6d2c9d60$bc83aec7@dora9sprynet.com> Hi John, I prefer a pint of sauerkraut scrumpie myself, but as to the Eduard SSW, let me know how it builds - I have heard some negative things about it and I'm about to start my Koster kit of it soon (yes, another Koster SSW, but this one is a D.III, and will be done as Udet's) DB -----Original Message----- From: John Sharp To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Friday, September 17, 1999 11:14 AM Subject: Another intro >Hi List > >Ive already been welcomed but I thought you may like a bit more background. >First let me say how much I enjoy the banter and I look forward to giving as >good as you lot give! > >I am John Sharp from Eastham, a small place near Liverpool in UK. I am >employed as a computer slave by the local Probation Service. All my browsing >is done (quickly!) at work, so I am in digest mode most of the time. I took >up modeling again about 3 years ago, primarily railways - my first love - in >1/43 UK O Gauge - but recently started a 1/48 US scratch built doodlebug >(thats the railway kind, not a V1) A while back I woke up one morning and >felt the need to build a biplane - must have been something on TV (or maybe >that cheese?) So after several attempts by my mate Andy to stick to having >lots of railway projects rather than lots and lots of diverse projects, I >went out and purchased an Eduard Siemans Schuckart (1/48 OF COURSE!). This >is build no. 1, but is way behind no. 2 which is the Aviatik previously >mentioned, as it is involving a lot of do it agains. > >As luck would have it, the guy in the model shop turns out to be a bit of a >buff as we say round here and has now gone as far as to recently open his >own shop - "Aces" in Poulton Rd, Wallasey, Merseyside (unashamed plug) which >is also the unofficial hangout for the Wirral IPMS ho have a large glass >display case on show. The man concerned is Geoff Stanley and in the weeks to >come he intends to streamline the shop from a general model shop to a WW1 >specialist, and I have twisted his arm (actually plied with beer is closer) >to let me design and set up a web site for him. No e-commerce yet, but he is >going to do mail order. Geoff has won one or two trophies for his WW1 >aircraft and I'm hoping to steal as many of his techniques as possible!!! > >I have only recently taken to WW1 - even as a kid I was much more WW2, but >now there are so many good books to read, and sooo many lovely kits to >build - and my railway is set in the correct period too, but in England. BTW >I have been itching to do a narrow gauge railway model for ages and I >recently came across Narrow Gauge at War - a small book on WW1 light >railways - so lets go. > >A few comments on recent list issues: > >Women in modelling - I know of very few - but they are all excellent >modelers - we should encourage more. >Keeping props on - I've been advised to use a tiny blob of BlueTak so they >just drop of when inquisitive little fingers try em out. >And so you know where my loyalties lie >Football : Patriots (Sorry Jets, snigger) , Baseball : Go Red Sox ! Beer : >Good old speckled red herring cropping real ale. >(Jumps into foxhole and puts head down) > >I'm on leave next week so I'll be catching up with you all in about a >fortnight - maybe see the UK crowd at Telford? > >Cheers! >John >An Englishman who owns an airbrush and sometime uses it too! > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:10:20 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: The Gotha Dilemma Message-ID: <006201bf0138$6e392b60$bc83aec7@dora9sprynet.com> That's the 'St. Harry' that I hear spoken of in reverent whispers? Is there a bio out about him somewhere? DB -----Original Message----- From: Shane Weier To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Friday, September 17, 1999 8:23 AM Subject: RE: The Gotha Dilemma >Dave mentions: > >> Rosemount Hobby stocks the Fotocut " WWI PARTS EXTRAVAGANZA" >> it has bits for >> guns, instruments, seats, prop bosses, you name it, you'll >> probably spread it >> over several kits on both sides of the war or you can by >> individual components >> on smaller sheets. I've gotten a lot of miles out of my 1/72 sheet. > >IIRC this is made from master drawings produced by (who else) Harry Woodman, >and is the oldest etched brass accessory set on the market. If my >recollection of the article in Scale Models is correct this was his first >attempt to use photoetching to produce aircraft parts; he paid Fotocut to >produce the first fret for him and later Fotocut marketed the fret to >others. > >I bought three of them years ago and still have lots of usefull bits. >Actually, at my rate of advance, I have enough bits to last a looooong time. > >Shane >************************************************************** >The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential >and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). >If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution >or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are >requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems >to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. >E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. >************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:13:25 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: The Gotha Dilemma Message-ID: <006301bf0138$6f1affe0$bc83aec7@dora9sprynet.com> The sweep on the leading edge is a little too pronounced. Also, the scallops at the trailing edges (between the ribs) are too defined and need to be straightened out a little. I don't know about the gravity tank on top of the wings either. Didn't it use regular 260hp Mercedes engines? If so, doesn't Copper State have those? DB -----Original Message----- From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Friday, September 17, 1999 4:30 AM Subject: Re: The Gotha Dilemma > >I know about the wing leading edge >>corrections, and the doctoring up of the trailing edge. > >I don't yet. Please educate me. > >I'm also leaning toward a box tail version. (after SEVERAL single seat >scouts help me get over I'lyaitis) > >sp > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:21:03 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Another intro Message-ID: <19990917.132518.-31831.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Fri, 17 Sep 1999 12:12:43 -0400 (EDT) "John Sharp" writes: > BTW I have been itching to do a narrow gauge railway model for ages and > I recently came across Narrow Gauge at War - a small book on WW1 light > railways - so lets go. I'm intrigued. Could you tell a bit more about this book, please? Have you seen _Narrow Guage to No Man's Land_? Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 14:36:43 -0400 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Scapa Flow Message-ID: <199909171838.OAA06894@mail5.globalserve.net> For those of you who get the Outdoor Life Network (only in Canada you say?). I finally got a day off and am watching a program on exploring the wreckage of the Imperial German Fleet at the bottom of Scapa Flow. Absolutely amazing. Lots of old newsreel footage showing the scuttling. The heavy ones seem to have all landed superstructure down but many of the smaller ones are right side up or on their sides. Some like SMS Dresden and SMS Koln are in fairly shallow water. This show will likely be repeated Saturday or Sunday. A nice departure from their usual fare of fly fishing and goose tagging. Brad ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 14:50:25 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: Another intro Message-ID: <003c01bf013d$82040e80$032b45cf@default> >On Fri, 17 Sep 1999 12:12:43 -0400 (EDT) "John Sharp" > writes: > >> BTW I have been itching to do a narrow gauge railway model for ages and > >> I recently came across Narrow Gauge at War - a small book on WW1 light >> railways - so lets go. > >I'm intrigued. Could you tell a bit more about this book, please? Have >you seen _Narrow Guage to No Man's Land_? >Matt Bittner I saw a color painting of a disassembled Albatros on a rail car and have always wanted to model one in that state. Do any of y'all RR buffs know of any drawings that can be used to make such a car? TIA sp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 12:41:24 -0700 From: "Mike Franklin" To: Subject: Re: Bamboo struts Message-ID: <00cc01bf0144$a1231ca0$7becfc9e@default> Way back in the 'dark ages' when I first started modeling WW-1, a rather common trick was to use bamboo shaved to a fine line to represent the flying wires on a 1/48 Sopwith Camel and such. On the Camel, as well as many others, the flying wires were actually two wires with a wood spacer between and then wrapped with tape. The visual effect was one rather wide wire, with forked ends where they joined the structure. Mike Franklin Bellingham, WA "No man is so hated as he who will drive the speed limit" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 17:12:33 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: I'lya hanger Message-ID: <000501bf0151$5d909b40$1b2b45cf@default> I found a glass display case at a yard sale today. Fifty bucks got me a total of 1980 square inches of enclosed DUSTLESS display area, (bottom and 1 glass shelf), and 15,120 cubic inches of hidden kit storage below, (enough to hold 124 Eduard size kit boxes). I have to give D.VII, (nickname for the wife), credit. She was all for it and as much as hate to admit it, I owe her big time, (and will no doubt end up paying even bigger time :-). Much rearranging will be necessary to fit it somewhere, but the dust has been ruining hundreds of hours of work and now the I'lya will have a safe hangar to share with lots of littler buddies both built and yet to be. So while I'm thinking of it, I'd like to throw a question to the List. How do you clean dust off your models? sp E-mail smperry@mindspring.com Web Site http://smperry.home.mindspring.com/PWWIP.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 16:25:16 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: I'lya hanger Message-ID: Steven Perry inquires: "How do you clean dust off your models?" By never letting them get dusty in the first place. I, too, have a glass display, but even if I did not, I'd box the little suckers into something and never let them sit unprotected. Otherwise, it would have to be a semi-weekly exercise with a lens brush and compressed air, and I'd STILL be knocking tiny bits into oblivion. Lance E-mail smperry@mindspring.com Web Site http://smperry.home.mindspring.com/PWWIP.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 17:19:55 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: I'lya hanger Message-ID: <003401bf015a$cf9cafe0$4982aec7@dora9sprynet.com> Ahh, the dust-free environment of the glass case. Steve, you are about to be introduced to one of the great mysteries of Man: the model has been in the case, the rear doors have been closed - How in the Hell did it get all dusty? When you figure it out, tell me, as I haven't been able to figure it out over the last several years. Dave (about to go curio cabinet shopping tomorrow) -----Original Message----- From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Friday, September 17, 1999 4:16 PM Subject: I'lya hanger >I found a glass display case at a yard sale today. Fifty bucks got me a >total of 1980 square inches of enclosed DUSTLESS display area, (bottom and 1 >glass shelf), and 15,120 cubic inches of hidden kit storage below, (enough >to hold 124 Eduard size kit boxes). > >I have to give D.VII, (nickname for the wife), credit. She was all for it >and as much as hate to admit it, I owe her big time, (and will no doubt end >up paying even bigger time :-). > >Much rearranging will be necessary to fit it somewhere, but the dust has >been ruining hundreds of hours of work and now the I'lya will have a safe >hangar to share with lots of littler buddies both built and yet to be. > >So while I'm thinking of it, I'd like to throw a question to the List. > >How do you clean dust off your models? > >sp > > > >E-mail smperry@mindspring.com >Web Site http://smperry.home.mindspring.com/PWWIP.htm > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 17:18:10 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: I'lya hanger Message-ID: <19990917.171826.-170611.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Fri, 17 Sep 1999 17:12:40 -0400 (EDT) smperry@mindspring.com writes: > How do you clean dust off your models? Basically I have the same fortune as you. I have three cabinet-type cases. Unfortunately the Strutter is the biggest model that will fit. Which means the Otto sits collecting dust. Dusting is a chore, especially trying to get between all those wires. Gee, I wish whom I built it for would come and take it away... ;-) I haven't figure out yet what I'm going to do with the bigger ones. I really want to build a Caudron. Maybe I'll have a case specially built for it. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 19:11:03 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: I'lya hanger Message-ID: <002801bf0161$eb283700$1b2b45cf@default> >Ahh, the dust-free environment of the glass case. Steve, you are about to >be introduced to one of the great mysteries of Man: the model has been in >the case, the rear doors have been closed - How in the Hell did it get all >dusty? > > When you figure it out, tell me, as I haven't been able to figure it out >over the last several years. I have no doubt that dust will eventually make it in there, but it will take it a lot longer than the open shelf that now houses my models. sp ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1864 **********************