WWI Digest 1827 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Internet Modeler September Issue by =?iso-8859-1?q?Peter=20Leonard?= 2) RE: Internet Modeler September Issue by Shane Weier 3) Re: Bloody Voss! by DWa7000007@aol.com 4) Re: Internet Modeler September Issue by Albatrosdv@aol.com 5) Re: Scratchbuilding wings in 1/72 scale by "PETER LEONARD" 6) Re: Decal Voting by Matthew E Bittner 7) Re: Internet Modeler September Issue by Matthew E Bittner 8) Zen and the Art of Plastic Modelling by =?iso-8859-1?q?Peter=20Leonard?= 9) Re: Zen and the art of Plastic Modelling by "Bob Pearson" 10) Re: Tissue and Reverse Lozenge (Was:Re: CSM DVII Lozenge) by pedro 11) RE: Internet Modeler September Issue by "dfernet0" 12) Ortho-Chromatics & Dan-San Abbott by John & Allison Cyganowski 13) Happy Birthday Bill B. by "dfernet0" 14) Re: CSM DVII Lozenge by "Brad Gossen" 15) Re: Zen and the art of Plastic Modelling by =?iso-8859-1?q?Peter=20Leonard?= 16) Re: Happy Birthady Bill B.Bill by bucky@ptdprolog.net 17) Sept. IM by pedro 18) Att. Lupos Vinar by pedro 19) Re: Voss again by "Mark L. Shannon" 20) Re: Voss again WAS: RE: BIG news. by "Mark L. Shannon" 21) Re: Zen and the art of Plastic Modelling by =?iso-8859-1?q?Peter=20Leonard?= 22) Re: Flashback Aviatik Berg D.I by "John Sharp" 23) RE: Bloody Voss! by Shane Weier 24) RE: Ortho-Chromatics & Dan-San Abbott by Shane Weier 25) RE: CSM DVII Lozenge by Shane Weier 26) RE: Flashback Aviatik Berg D.I by Shane Weier 27) Re: Flashback Aviatik Berg D.I by =?iso-8859-1?q?Peter=20Leonard?= 28) New Rigging Material? by Jack Berlien ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 00:23:52 -0700 (PDT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Peter=20Leonard?= To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Internet Modeler September Issue Message-ID: <19990901072352.19895.rocketmail@web1302.mail.yahoo.com> For about fifteen seconds I considered having one of those Spinne images as my wallpaper, but it would have been too too depressing. Take me lord my life has no meaning. whimper whimper... === Peter Leonard Lancs & Cheshire Branch IPMS UK http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com http://www.storks.cwc.net __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 17:53:13 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Internet Modeler September Issue Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD475AAE@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Chris et al. > Yes, it's that time of the month again, and for a visual > treat stop by and > check out our own Robert Karr's scratchbuilt Fokker Spinne! > There is also a > nice piece by Candice Uhlir on building the Aeroclub FE2b. > I'm assuming Candice is still lurking - and has made a fine fist of the Aeroclub Fetoobee. i hope mine turns out so well. RK's Spinne - well, I'm sick of it. Gotta admit I'm once again overwhelmed. Farewell WW1 modelling world - I'm off to the ship modelling mailing list to sulk ;-) Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 04:16:23 EDT From: DWa7000007@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu, wwi@pease1.srunh.edu Subject: Re: Bloody Voss! Message-ID: <66e4b45e.24fe3ad7@aol.com> In a message dated 9/1/99 12:17:08 AM Central Daylight Time, sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes: << Sorry to be a spoilsport but this is utterly meaningless. I could take the original negatives and manufacture a darker cowl on the opposite print in 10 minutes ina darkroom using a different contrast grade of paper to make the print. >> Spoilsports are most welcome. Fist of all, the individuals who took the original photographs did not set out to deceive any one. What your saying, I can take the negatives in a dark room and make the cowling black because I (you) want it to be black. Which doesn't prove a thing. I say it's yellow from what I have found and compared in the history books, not by what I can do to the original photograph in a dark room to suite my theory. And Identifying a color by matching tonal values works-pretty-well. I know eyewitnesses don't count anymore. But let's forget photos for a moment. First, we have an individual who states he had seen Voss' YELLOW cowling (of course his lying). Second; jasta 10 had yellow noses; third, the cowling itself doesn't look black. But all that don't make much difference to most folks. And It doesn't take Alex Revell or Imrie to figure it out. Sorry mister, but no cigar. Danny Walden ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 04:20:09 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Internet Modeler September Issue Message-ID: <53053198.24fe3bb9@aol.com> In a message dated 99-09-01 03:55:17 EDT, you write: << I'm assuming Candice is still lurking - and has made a fine fist of the Aeroclub Fetoobee. i hope mine turns out so well. >> Candice is hiking Mt. Whitney this week, preparatory to being taken to Paris late this month by her ever-loving John. Tom ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 01:54:45 PDT From: "PETER LEONARD" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Scratchbuilding wings in 1/72 scale Message-ID: <19990901085446.17503.qmail@hotmail.com> Len, wotchercock! I shall e-mail them fortwith, or even fifthwith allowing for the warp in the space time continuum at South Mimms taraachuckyegg Peter Leonard IPMS UK (up't'north) Lancashire & Cheshire Branch http://www.storks.cwc.net http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com PeterL@cwcom.net ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 04:55:09 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Decal Voting Message-ID: <19990901.050851.-85633.2.mbittner@juno.com> On Tue, 31 Aug 1999 23:13:06 -0400 (EDT) Ernest Thomas writes: > Gimme a break! This is probably the most ON topic thread I've > started > since I've been on this list, and you want us to move it off list? > Help help! I'm being repressed! But you have to realise that there are more than just 1/28th builders here. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 05:06:56 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Internet Modeler September Issue Message-ID: <19990901.050851.-85633.3.mbittner@juno.com> On Wed, 1 Sep 1999 03:02:39 -0400 (EDT) "Chris Banyai-Riepl" writes: > Yes, it's that time of the month again, and for a visual treat stop > by and > check out our own Robert Karr's scratchbuilt Fokker Spinne! There > is also a > nice piece by Candice Uhlir on building the Aeroclub FE2b. Most impressive. Excellent - albeit short - issue. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 03:26:33 -0700 (PDT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Peter=20Leonard?= To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Zen and the Art of Plastic Modelling Message-ID: <19990901102633.1860.rocketmail@web1305.mail.yahoo.com> Ladies and Gentlemen, yesterday I e-mailed info@nexusonline.com ref that book by Harry Woodman (Alah preserve His name) The line I took was that suggested by Shane yesterday. Do you still have the publishing rights? etc etc etc. Here is the reply: Peter, I have received a message from one of our editors confirming that this book is veryold and that there are no current plans for a reprint. Sorry to dissappoint you.Steve Wright Most informative ...... not. Any suggestions? === Peter Leonard Lancs & Cheshire Branch IPMS UK http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com http://www.storks.cwc.net __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 03:40:10 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Zen and the art of Plastic Modelling Message-ID: <199909011049.DAA08650@mail.rapidnet.net> Perhaps Albatros or someone else would be willing to do so .... Part of a deal I was arranging with a publisher was if they didn't wish to do a reprint, the rights would revert to me and I could then seek another publisher. Perhaps someone who has recent contact with Harry could broach the subject. I met him myself in very enjoyable circumstances at the OTF sidecar party in 96 - which lasted until around 3am IIRC, but haven't corresponded at all. David? Brad? Bob ---------- >From: >Date: Wed, Sep 1, 1999, 3:25 AM > > > Ladies and Gentlemen, yesterday I e-mailed > info@nexusonline.com ref that book by Harry Woodman > (Alah preserve His name) The line I took was that > suggested by Shane yesterday. Do you still have the > publishing rights? etc etc etc. Here is the reply: > > Peter, > I have received a message from one of our editors > confirming that this book is > veryold and that there are no current plans for a > reprint. > Sorry to dissappoint you.Steve Wright > > > Most informative ...... not. Any suggestions? > === > Peter Leonard > > Lancs & Cheshire Branch > IPMS UK > http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com > http://www.storks.cwc.net > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 11:51:22 +0100 From: pedro To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Tissue and Reverse Lozenge (Was:Re: CSM DVII Lozenge) Message-ID: <37CD052A.C6488F9E@mail.telepac.pt> PETER LEONARD wrote: > Rob, in this case it wouldn,t have to be tissue or note paper, your regular > printer paper will do it. Sticking it to plastic is easy. Place it on the > model and splosh Mekpak on it. > > Sticking it onto a painted surface is a different problem, but pva works > fine. . Why don't you give Future a try? That should also do it. HTH Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 07:59:21 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Internet Modeler September Issue Message-ID: <00a201bef469$0bd1e100$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> To all the list members that contributed: Congratulations, you've made it again. Wonderful articles, incredible feats of master modelers. I hate you all. :-) Respectfully D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Banyai-Riepl To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 1999 4:02 AM Subject: Internet Modeler September Issue > Yes, it's that time of the month again, and for a visual treat stop by and > check out our own Robert Karr's scratchbuilt Fokker Spinne! There is also a > nice piece by Candice Uhlir on building the Aeroclub FE2b. > > http://www.internetmodeler.com > > As usual, there's other, off-topic stuff, but we won't mention that. > Especially my WAY off topic profiles.... :-) > > Chris Banyai-Riepl > Publisher/Editor > Internet Modeler > http://www.internetmodeler.com > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 06:59:43 -0400 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Ortho-Chromatics & Dan-San Abbott Message-ID: <37CD071F.4E5E@worldnet.att.net> Regarding Dan-San Abbott and his method of orthchromatic interpretation, he is the first to admit that you can never be sure. He has said to me, regarding the color values, "You can't be sure what it is, but you can be reasonaly sure what it is not." Now of course, Shane's point about the print is still absolutely valid and that is going to throw error into the process. Dan-San's color profiles are his interpretation, his best guess and I don't think he claims more than that. Regards, Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:09:26 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: "WW1 modeling Mail List" Subject: Happy Birthday Bill B. Message-ID: <00c501bef46a$76d2f4c0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Have you the happiest of the birthdays! Congratulations D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 07:10:41 -0400 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Re: CSM DVII Lozenge Message-ID: <199909011112.HAA23304@mail5.globalserve.net> Just had another thought. What if I took the lozenge and just stuck it to the cockpit walls reversed? Eric, does your lozenge have a white backing? Does the pattern show through the back? Then maybe Steve's (or whoever's) CDL mist to tone the white down. Brad I can hardly wait. ---------- > From: ERIC HIGHT > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: CSM DVII Lozenge > Date: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 10:09 PM > > brad, > now you are pushing it! good idea though. there will be a sustainial > block (bolt) of loz for rib tapes etc. there should be enough to do inside > tapes but the modeler would need to fade them. geez i got leave you > something to do on the model. next you'll want me to build them for you. > i am being sarcastic (slap)! i can't help myself. keep the ideas coming. > thanks > eric ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 04:34:31 -0700 (PDT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Peter=20Leonard?= To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Zen and the art of Plastic Modelling Message-ID: <19990901113431.4353.rocketmail@web1306.mail.yahoo.com> I have followed up with a second e-mail requesting confirmation or otherwise that Nexus do or do not retain publishing rights. The reply is short and sweet but includes a telephone number which it is suggested I ring. It's lunch time here and it appears that Nexus observe the custom with fundamentalist zeal. I'll try again in an hour. Watch this space. === Peter Leonard Lancs & Cheshire Branch IPMS UK http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com http://www.storks.cwc.net __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 07:57:56 -0400 From: bucky@ptdprolog.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Happy Birthady Bill B.Bill Message-ID: <37CD14C4.E72ED706@ptdprolog.net> Ditto Mike Muth Pedro e Francisca Soares wrote: > Bill, > > It's past midnight around here so it's about time to wish you a very > happy anniversary and many more years of fun and modeling here with the > rest of the gang. Here's to you (glup!). > > Um grande abraco > > Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 13:40:12 +0100 From: pedro To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Sept. IM Message-ID: <37CD1EAC.CAC585FD@mail.telepac.pt> Robert, You've escaped the funger chopping machine quite a few times in the past. Not anymore after that wooooooooonderful piece of work.... and Candice.... Take off your glove, your next in line.... Great work as always. my check for renewing my subscription to IM is under way! Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 14:00:55 +0100 From: pedro To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Att. Lupos Vinar Message-ID: <37CD2387.922491AE@mail.telepac.pt> Lupos, Could not find your e-mail on your web site, so would you kindly contact me off-list to my e-mail (pnsoares@mail.telepac.pt) saying what is your minimum order tag and how much do you charge for postage and handling. Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:00:42 -0500 From: "Mark L. Shannon" To: Subject: Re: Voss again Message-ID: <199909011306.IAA13489@dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com> Slight correction, this is actually from a Bill Cosby routine: "And mothers are always more interested in the condition of your underwear than you're body if you're ever in an accident. 'I hope for my sake that you have on clean underwear if you're ever in an accident!' Well I thought that was what an accident WAS. "Look, you're driving down the street and you see this truck coming at you through the intersection. Now, whether you hit that truck or not _you're going to have soiled underwear_ -- 'cause first you say, then you do it!" .Mark. ---------- > From: Sharon Henderson > :-) You know, I've often wondered at the wisdom of such advice.. > . as George Carlin once said in a comedy routine: "First you say > it -- then you DO it!" :-) > > Sharon, > Little German Lassie > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:07:49 -0500 From: "Mark L. Shannon" To: Subject: Re: Voss again WAS: RE: BIG news. Message-ID: <199909011316.IAA14687@dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com> To put another fly in the ointment, however, remember that Voss was flying test work with the triplane prior to the squadron delivery of FI 103/17. It makes it understood that he was going to get one of them as soon as they were delivered and it could have been a "gift" from Fokker to have the markings put on before delivery. On the other hand, I think the most telling argument for olive cowling is the post-crash report. It is too detailed to imagine that intelligence information such as a yellow "Jasta 10" cowling would be left out, yet it makes no mention of such in the description. It is possible that this was put in a second, more secret report, but I doubt it. Like many, I think I'm going to have to make a chrome yellow and an olive cowled FI 103/17 and display them side by side with the "take your pick" sign. .Mark. ---------- > From: Bill Shatzer > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Voss again WAS: RE: BIG news. > Date: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 2:53 PM > > > > On Tue, 31 Aug 1999, Bill Bacon wrote: > > > Time to stick my neck out one more time. I expect that I am a bit of an expert on > > half century plus recolections as tomorrow I step one year past the 3/4 century > > mark. At 76 does that make me senior geezer on the list? Back to recollections, > > there are events and colors I can remember that happened 50+ years ago. These are > > both trivial and important. Age does not in itself preclude accurate memory or > > recall. Don't sell Voss' mechanic short. > > Fair enough. But do recall that prior to the arrival of F.103/17, > Timm was servicing Jasta 10's Albatros D.IIIs and Pfalz D.IIIs, most > all of which carried the yellow nose markings. Later, when Jasta 10 > was re-equipped with Fokker D.VIIs, they likewise usually carried the > yellow cowling paint. > > Some confusion on his part between the nose color of F.103/17 and > the likely nose color of every other Jasta 10 aircraft he worked > on is certainly not beyond the realm of possibility. > > Timm wasn't, after all, servicing F.103/17 all that long. The > aircraft arrived at Jasta 10 sometime late in August or > early September (I believe, from memory, the first record of > a test flight with Jasta 10 was August 28, 1917). There is no > record of the aircraft being used between September 11 and > September 23 so presumably Timm was working on other aircraft > during that 11 day period. And, of course, Voss was shot down > and the aircraft lost on the afternoon of September 23. > > It appears that Timm was only with this aircraft for, at the most, > about 2 weeks (late August through September 11) plus a day or > two on or immediately proceeding September 23. Given this > relatively brief exposure to F.103/17 compared to the months > of servicing other aircraft which -did- have yellow noses, > the possibility of confusion on Timm's part is certainly very > real - especially a half century or more after the fact. > > After all, at the time, the color of F.103/17s cowling was > not something of any particular importance to Timm. Indeed, > until Imrie looked him up and asked the question, I would > suspect it was something Timm had never even thought about > for decades. > > Memory is a funny beast. And it plays strange tricks on the > best of us. > > Cheers and all, > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 06:24:56 -0700 (PDT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Peter=20Leonard?= To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Zen and the art of Plastic Modelling Message-ID: <19990901132456.28897.rocketmail@web1304.mail.yahoo.com> I have spoken to a lady called Jayne Hewish at Nexus publications. She and they have no idea who holds the publishing rights and she is trying to find out. I now realize that I have commenced a campaigne without War Aims or Objectives and have no idea what I shall do once the answer is known.(I build models in much the same way) At my age I should know better. Peter Leonard --- Bob Pearson wrote: > Perhaps Albatros or someone else would be willing to > do so .... Part of a > deal I was arranging with a publisher was if they > didn't wish to do a > reprint, the rights would revert to me and I could > then seek another > publisher. > > Perhaps someone who has recent contact with Harry > could broach the subject. > I met him myself in very enjoyable circumstances at > the OTF sidecar party > in 96 - which lasted until around 3am IIRC, but > haven't corresponded at all. > David? Brad? > > Bob > > ---------- > >From: > >Date: Wed, Sep 1, 1999, 3:25 AM > > > > > > > Ladies and Gentlemen, yesterday I e-mailed > > info@nexusonline.com ref that book by Harry > Woodman > > (Alah preserve His name) The line I took was that > > suggested by Shane yesterday. Do you still have > the > > publishing rights? etc etc etc. Here is the reply: > > > > Peter, > > I have received a message from one of our editors > > confirming that this book is > > veryold and that there are no current plans for a > > reprint. > > Sorry to dissappoint you.Steve Wright > > > > > > Most informative ...... not. Any suggestions? > > === > > Peter Leonard > > > > Lancs & Cheshire Branch > > IPMS UK > > http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com > > http://www.storks.cwc.net > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:49:37 +0100 From: "John Sharp" To: Subject: Re: Flashback Aviatik Berg D.I Message-ID: <19990901134239.33077.qmail@hotmail.com> Hi gang I'm new here and new to WW1 too, but learning as fast as I can. I (foolishly)? choose to have the Berg as my first serious go at a biplane, but with the advantage of knowing at least one other experienced modeller who is also building the kit. I had a steep learning curve with the lozenge decals - but the wings came out quite well on the whole, the fusalage came out less well - I couldnt get the top seams to meet up either vertically or horizontally, so I had to resort to using the spare hexagons as Brent surmised. I am currently trying to assemble the spoked wheels from the etches and rubber tyres. The etches are a tad too small and fall through the tyres, and my early attempts at creating a rim from plastic strip have all failled. My mentor tells me that the Linke-Crawford stripes were almost certainly black not red as supplied. All in all I have enjoyed the kit and will certainly build another, but in a plainer finish next time. My only complaint would be the rather poor machine gun bulge which is so vague as to be worthless (IMHO) Theres a HD1 still in its celophane and sealed until the Berg is complete to look forward to, then I fancy an EIII and a Camel or 2 before the Albatross.... Hooked I think! John Sharp Wirral, Merseyside ----- Original Message ----- From: Brent & Tina Theobald To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Saturday, August 28, 1999 8:44 PM Subject: Flashback Aviatik Berg D.I Howdy, I did a quick search on the archives and I didn't see any references to this kit so I thought I would do a quick in-box review. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 23:50:28 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Bloody Voss! Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD475AAF@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Dale, > Fist of all, the individuals who took the > original photographs did not set out to deceive any one. Neither did I say that they did. > What your saying, I > can take the negatives in a dark room and make the cowling > black because I you) want it to be black. Not even close. What I'm saying is that unless *all* the factors which may affect the result are controlled the result may be anything whatever - and that by changing just *one* of them deliberately (in my case) or coincidentally (as *must* happen when there are so many variables) the result can apparently be reversed. > Which doesn't prove a thing. Oh? It proves precisely my point. Change *one* of dozens of factors and the results change. > I say it's yellow > from what I have found and compared in the history books, not > by what I can do to the original photograph in a dark room > to suite my theory. Which is where we differ, I (in fact) theorise that you can't tell anything whatever about the colour from the photos. My theory about the colour is that it may be green or possibly yellow, but rather than use alchemy to determine the truth I'll read the rest of the evidence and decide from all of it. Incidentally, you might read my first post on this subject which says that I personally think it's green but respect Imries opinion and am happy to concede it may in fact be correct. >And Identifying a color by matching tonal values works-pretty-well. Sorry. Rolling about on the floor laughing time. > I know eyewitnesses don't count anymore. But let's forget > photos for a > moment. First, we have an individual who states he had seen > Voss' YELLOW cowling (of course his lying). Second; jasta 10 had yellow > noses; third, the > cowling itself doesn't look black. But all that don't make > much difference to > most folks. And It doesn't take Alex Revell or Imrie to > figure it out. Sorry mister, but no cigar. All of these factors have been dealt with by Bill and others. It's still no more than a maybe, either way. Only your notion that you can do more than *roughly* determine the colour based on tones made it worth my while commenting. Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 23:58:25 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Ortho-Chromatics & Dan-San Abbott Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD475AB0@mimhexch.mim.com.au> John, > Regarding Dan-San Abbott and his method of orthchromatic > interpretation, > he is the first to admit that you can never be sure. He has > said to me, > regarding the color values, "You can't be sure what it is, but you can > be reasonaly sure what it is not." Now of course, Shane's point about > the print is still absolutely valid and that is going to throw error > into the process. Dan-San's color profiles are his > interpretation, his > best guess and I don't think he claims more than that. I hadn't meant to discount DSA and realise that this is exactly his attitude. However, I have yet to see the word "speculative" printed on one of his profiles, which is a disappointment, because IMO it makes him *more* valuable as an authority. I have from time to time expressed my doubts about Ray Rimells profiles, but RLR has at least taken the step of noting where the thing is based on such interpretation (aka informed guess) Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:00:55 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: CSM DVII Lozenge Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD475AB1@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Brad, > Just had another thought. What if I took the lozenge and > just stuck it > to the cockpit walls reversed? Eric, does your lozenge have a white > backing? Does the pattern show through the back? Then maybe > Steve's (or whoever's) CDL mist to tone the white down. ...or varnish it with Future mixed with yellow ochre watercolour pencil? Just thinking aloud. Incidentally, when I made my Swabians I used 4 col loz overpainted with a mix of Gunze Sail colour and future to make an offwhite translucent paint. Worked for me. Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:04:10 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Flashback Aviatik Berg D.I Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD475AB2@mimhexch.mim.com.au> John > Hooked I think! Hooked indeed. Welcome to the zoo Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 07:16:31 -0700 (PDT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Peter=20Leonard?= To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Flashback Aviatik Berg D.I Message-ID: <19990901141631.19584.rocketmail@web1303.mail.yahoo.com> Hello John. With a following wind I can spit into the Wirral from here. Welcome to the wonderful world of WW1 modelling, my but you did choose a good'un to start with didn't you. === Peter Leonard Lancs & Cheshire Branch IPMS UK http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com http://www.storks.cwc.net __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 09:53:23 -0500 From: Jack Berlien To: "WWI (E-mail)" Subject: New Rigging Material? Message-ID: Someone may have already mentioned this, but in the August issue of Model Railroader magazine they reviewed a new product called EZ Line Elastic String. It is sold for telegraph / power / phone lines, etc. for model railroads. It comes in diameters ranging from 0.003" to 0.006", in various colors including black. I have not tried this myself yet for rigging, but in sounds great. Check out the web site at: http://www.berkshirejunction.com/scenery.htm#ezline Anybody out their already tried this stuff? Best regards, Jack ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1827 **********************