WWI Digest 1791 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Finished one ;-) by "richard eaton" 2) Re: Armstrong Whitworth F.K. 10 (was Salmson 2A2) by Dennis Ugulano 3) Re: List Button by Dennis Ugulano 4) Re: The List band: Reunion tour and album by Ernest Thomas 5) Re: WW I Modeling: THE VIDEO by Zulis@aol.com 6) Re: Help on German tent hangars by Ernest Thomas 7) Schneider 75 mm by "dfernet0" 8) Re: WW I Modeling: THE VIDEO by "d mather" 9) Re: The List band: Reunion tour and album by pedro 10) Re: Finished one ;-) by pedro 11) Re: The List band: Reunion tour and album by Albatrosdv@aol.com 12) RE: Cramer's 1/48 Halberstadt D-I vac kit by "dfernet0" 13) Re: The List band: Reunion tour and album by "Len Smith" 14) Omega Kits was Short in box review by "Len Smith" 15) RE: Schneider 75 mm by "dfernet0" 16) Re: The List band: Reunion tour and album by "DAVID BURKE" 17) Flying the friendly skies, or why Air New Zealand beats them all. by "Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton" 18) Re: Flying the friendly skies, or why Air New Zealand beats them all. by "DAVID BURKE" 19) Re: The List band: Reunion tour and album by Albatrosdv@aol.com 20) Re: Flying the friendly skies, or why Air New Zealand beats them by Albatrosdv@aol.com 21) Re: Schneider 75 mm by Ernest Thomas 22) Re: Cramer's 1/48 Halberstadt D-I vac kit by DWa7000007@aol.com 23) Re: Omega Kits was Short in box review by smperry@mindspring.com 24) Booted Again by "Brad Gossen" 25) List Button design contest. by Tom Solinski 26) Re: Booted Again by "Mark Shanks" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 22:31:35 -0500 From: "richard eaton" To: Subject: Re: Finished one ;-) Message-ID: <199908201240.HAA11980@sierra.onr.com> Pedro, Congratulations! "Finished" is something hard to come by sometimes. Let us see a scan! Regards, Richard Who is having little modeling time of late. ---------- > From: Pedro e Francisca Soares > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Finished one ;-) > Date: Thursday, August 19, 1999 5:09 PM > > guys, > > My Salamander is on the shelf. > > You'll see it sometime in the future. > > On to another one....what will this be...... > > > > Pedro > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 08:50:41 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Armstrong Whitworth F.K. 10 (was Salmson 2A2) Message-ID: <199908200850_MC2-81BB-C2AD@compuserve.com> Brent, >> Let's see... It is behind the Be.2, Burgess Dunne, Farman and Caudron GIII. And that's just the vacs! << Ah, a man with a vision. May I suggest that you throw in a TOKO every now and then to keep yourself from going screaming into the night. I love vacs but I do have to take some time off now and then. And you have selected a very interesting and complex combination of kits. Any help I can give just scream, I mean ask. :-) Of the four, I would say the Burgess Dunne will be the easiest to build. The GIII is a beauty and went together well. The Farman is a little more challenging mainly because of the lack of research material but the kit is very nice. I haven't built a Be.2 >> This plane was designed by a Dutchman named Frederik Koolhoven. << From what little I know Mr. Koolhoven was a very interesting designer. I have read about his 15 wing idea but like you, I don't know if it made it off the paper. I do recall seeing a movie clip of a many multi wing plane starting to taxi and the wings collapsing in a big heap. It could have been Mr. Koolhoven's plane. I presently have another FK 10 under construction and I was building it as a replacement for one the post office destroyed. It is not a fun kit to build because of the wing alignment but it does look neat after completed. Maybe one day it will come out of the box again and I will complete it. Maybe do a better job on this one. But you of course know, that when you finish a kit you must cater to the unsatiable appetite of this group for photos. We cheer you on to completion but clamor for more and more photos. Are we addicted or what? Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://members.xoom.com/Uggies/DJU.HTM Page Revised 8/16/99 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 08:50:42 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: List Button Message-ID: <199908200850_MC2-81BB-C2B0@compuserve.com> John, >> What started out as a couple of guys who happened to own a computer and liked to build models of WWI airplanes has turned into a very tight nit group of personalities. I have never been a pert of any group like this. << May I second that. I have built WW1 for years as a loner, picking up scraps of information here and there and once in a while sharing with someone of like interests. Now approaching 9 months on this list, I feel the quality of my models has increased and I know my knowledge of WW1 has increased 10 fold. This is a really neat place. And I would like one of the list buttons when they are ready. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://members.xoom.com/Uggies/DJU.HTM Page Revised 8/16/99 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 08:19:01 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The List band: Reunion tour and album Message-ID: <37BD55C5.44D3@bellsouth.net> Albatrosdv@aol.com wrote: > What I want to know is, can the twin Spandaus equal Gene Krupa in the "long > solo" on "Sing, Sing, Sing," Up until the belts run out. E. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:39:53 EDT From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: WW I Modeling: THE VIDEO Message-ID: <6cf1b0de.24eeb4a9@aol.com> In a message dated 99-08-20 02:09:44 EDT, you write: << Do any of you award-winning masters on the List think this may be a worthwhile project for you? Each of you could video a segment of the techniques you are best at and the separate sections could then be edited into a complete work on WW I modeling. Once it is finished, it could have commercial value. >> If such a thing existed, I would certainly buy it and wear it out in no time.... Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 08:57:52 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Help on German tent hangars Message-ID: <37BD5EE0.1EC5@bellsouth.net> Tom Solinski wrote: > With my families history of procrastination mmm... we must be related somehow. if I ever do the vac I'll > probably give one to the entire list, So how would this work? Does each listee get it for a month to photograph his models in front of, then it goes to the next guy on the list? :) E. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 12:07:34 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: "WW1 modeling Mail List" Subject: Schneider 75 mm Message-ID: <005b01beeb1d$bcb1cb20$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Hi list: I've been around the hobby shop and discovered a 1/35 Tom's Modellbau "Schneider 75 mm model 97 with crew" kit. The box art depicts some "frogs" behind a medium size cannon. Is this artifact OT? The boys are so well hidden that I can't figure it out. Or this is from the other world war? I ask this since my knowledge about heavy gunnery is nihil. Someone on the list can tell me if it is worth spend my money on it? Someone has built it? D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 08:12:36 PDT From: "d mather" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: WW I Modeling: THE VIDEO Message-ID: <19990820151237.60222.qmail@hotmail.com> Fernando, This is a shear stroke of model genius... If we could produce it, it would no doubt sell. I know that even at shows when I see a model that is not particularly well done, I will find that the builder has an edge on some technique that I have to ask about. If we could all design a format, then have people volunteer to shoot the different segments,even if some were duplicated with new techniques. edit and the final product would no doubt be a masterpiece. A short time ago the subject came up of why people dont model more WW1 stuff... I believe this tape could go a long way to bridge the gap between the would be WW1 modeler and the 'shake-and-bake Tamigawa' modeler... just my thoughts! doug >From: Fernando Lamas > The largest "book" on WW I modeling is the List archives. You know what I would pay money for? A WW I Modeling List Instructional VIDEO. > > Right now, I am up against a modeling brick wall. My mind envisions >the work of Shane, Matt, Art, Ernest, Dennis, etc., etc. but my skills are >still only several steps ahead of my 1966, 12 year-old modeling days. That >explains why I have been mired in the Eduard Albatros D.V since last >Christmas. My imagination is writing checks that my modeling skills can't >cash. I am violating the "Dicta Ira" and am having more frustration than >fun. > > Although I have read about lozenge application, graining techniques, >weathering with pastels, painting the thin tapes on the trailing edge of a >lozenge wing, aligning wings with jigs, scrathbuilding this or that for a >WW I model, etc., etc.....There is no substitute for actually *seeing* it >done. > > In medical education, there is a saying, "See one, do one, teach one". >It's one thing to *read* about a procedure but you really need to *see* >one before trying to do one. > > Do any of you award-winning masters on the List think this may be a >worthwhile project for you? Each of you could video a segment of the >techniques you are best at and the separate sections could then be edited >into a complete work on WW I modeling. Once it is finished, it could have >commercial value. > > Fernando Lamas > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 12:15:08 +0100 From: pedro To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The List band: Reunion tour and album Message-ID: <37BD38BC.EE2CD9BD@mail.telepac.pt> PETER LEONARD wrote: > <> > > I really enjoyed my 24 hours on Quantas. The barbie up at the back was > great! > > Peter Adrian, tell the man about Air New Zeland .................................. :-) ~P.S. - I know this thread has gone for too long on the list but Aidrian's posting on the way ANZ treats its customers on board was one of the best off-topics I saw on the list so I couldn't resist it. Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 12:17:58 +0100 From: pedro To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Finished one ;-) Message-ID: <37BD3966.7EF06CB9@mail.telepac.pt> Len Smith wrote: > Pedro, > Congratulations! Which colour scheme? Waiting for photos. > > Regards Len > Um abraco > > lensmith@clara.net > http://home.clara.net/lensmith > - In due time it'll all be revealed. Um abraco Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:48:50 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The List band: Reunion tour and album Message-ID: In a message dated 99-08-20 08:31:48 EDT, you write: << Tom, Your taste in music is impecable. Cheers, Bill B. >> Thenkyew thenkyew! Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 13:59:22 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Cramer's 1/48 Halberstadt D-I vac kit Message-ID: <001a01beeb2d$5a518460$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Danny I have the Halberstadt Fighters Specials at home. But if I recall correctly, the main differences between a Halb DI and DII were: A different nose (the DII using a wing mounted Teves & Braun radiator), a more powerful engine (100 hp for the DI and 120 hp for the DII) different exhausts, and maybe different wing stagger. The differences between the DII and the DIII were not too radical, maybe 1 machine gun more and engine, but I don't remember well. HTH D. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Friday, August 20, 1999 7:31 AM Subject: Re: Cramer's 1/48 Halberstadt D-I vac kit > Thanks for the information friend! I never even heard of the manufacture of > this kit before a week ago. I may just hold on to it for a while. But knowing > me, I'll probably dive right into it. But I got to tell you folks, I can't > wait to put P M Grosz book "Halberstadt Fighters" to good use and convert it > into a D-II, if that's not what it is already? Never know, I just may post > this one on the W.W.I modeler's web site. Thanks again. > > > > Danny > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:02:27 +0100 From: "Len Smith" To: Subject: Re: The List band: Reunion tour and album Message-ID: <000601beeb2e$5eb51020$945b08c3@default> Tom, Question 1.... NO. Question 2.....Well, some of his >commercial< records, well.... But when he played properly like BooWoo and Woowoo NO (I like Boogie, proper style, not the current mis-use of the word.) Regards Len. lensmith@clara.net http://home.clara.net/lensmith From: > > What I want to know is, can the twin Spandaus equal Gene Krupa in the "long > solo" on "Sing, Sing, Sing," and can The Wind In The Wires come close to > Harry James doing anything?????? > > Tom Cleaver > (*not* a boomer and yet an Original Staffer at "Rolling Stone") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 18:08:04 +0100 From: "Len Smith" To: Subject: Omega Kits was Short in box review Message-ID: <001401beeb2e$9632fee0$945b08c3@default> >From sp > There is a sheet of IRAS decals and two small pieces of clear plastic card > along with an instruction sheet containing an assembly sketch, parts ID > sketch and some coloring info. > > All the parts look good and the small ones look as good as what Toko is > doing. I didn't see ang great pits or holes in the larger parts. The wings > are a CDL colored resin and thin enough to be translucent. They will > probably require just a misting of paint to adjust the hue slightly. > >From Brent. >I agree with you. I especially liked the decals with little white skulls in the red stars. >From sp. >Interesting, the decals in my kit are just the wide center IRAS roundels. Greetings, I suspect that you two gentlemen have two different kits. My kit, bought at Telford last Nationals, has no decals, no clear plastic, no colouring info and the wings are quite thick with no under surface detail. Possibly mine is an earlier kit, but also possibly it is not the same kit! Omega list three versions of this a/c:- Farman F30bis No. 7203 ( which is the one I have), Farman F30bis Army No.7204 and Farman F30 No.7205(on skis). From the illustrations in the list the main difference seems to be the armament. Incidently the F30 still shows the Canton Unne engine. Overall quality of my kit is acceptable (apart from the wings) but not exceptional. It would be interesting to compare kit numbers. On the other hand the Nieuport 21 that Matt enquired about is generally beautiful, apart from a slightly dodgy engine. Reasonably thin fuselage,split vertically, with slightly different texture between the fabic and metal parts but not objectionably so, very thin wings and tailplane (mind you don't cut yourself on the trailing edges), most small parts on a web as usual. Matches up well to the Datafile drawings of the 17, possibly slightly larger span. All in all a highly recommended kit, especially to Nieuport lovers. Sorry for the long posting, but these kits are not easy to come by and any information may be useful to some. Regards Len. lensmith@clara.net http://home.clara.net/lensmith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:07:48 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Schneider 75 mm Message-ID: <002401beeb2e$87727200$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Hi me I'm answering to myself. I asked my father (who was a gunner once) by phone and he said that the soixante quince modèle 97 was in use by the french as well other allies before, during and after WW1. I assume that Tom Modellbau made the most widespread version and arrangement, the one used in the war. Thanks to me (and dad) D. (why I'm sending this message?) ----- Original Message ----- From: dfernet0 To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Friday, August 20, 1999 12:07 PM Subject: Schneider 75 mm > Hi list: > I've been around the hobby shop and discovered a 1/35 Tom's Modellbau > "Schneider 75 mm model 97 with crew" kit. The box art depicts some "frogs" > behind a medium size cannon. Is this artifact OT? The boys are so well > hidden that I can't figure it out. Or this is from the other world war? I > ask this since my knowledge about heavy gunnery is nihil. > Someone on the list can tell me if it is worth spend my money on it? Someone > has built it? > D. > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 12:21:37 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: The List band: Reunion tour and album Message-ID: <001201beeb30$85b14f20$df82aec7@dora9sprynet.com> Mr. Cleaver, you are a true curmudgeon in the style of Mencken and Clemens, and I would argue that it wasn't Altamont where R&R died, but in the plane with Buddy, Richie, and the Bopper. But that's debatable, like everything else.... DB -----Original Message----- From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Friday, August 20, 1999 1:50 AM Subject: Re: The List band: Reunion tour and album >So when are all you "musical geniuses" going to realize that the way you >spell "Seventies Rock" is to put a "c" in front of the "r"? > >If American musicology had followed its theretofore history, Rock 'n' Roll >would have died December 9, 1969, like it should have, at the Altamont >Raceway, and been replaced by something new, progressive, and worthwhile. > >Given that baby boomers have yet to have had an original thought in their >heads, unfortunately, rock became c-rock and was superceded by c-rap - the >only mis-step Black culture has made in 400 years in the New World. > >What I want to know is, can the twin Spandaus equal Gene Krupa in the "long >solo" on "Sing, Sing, Sing," and can The Wind In The Wires come close to >Harry James doing anything?????? > >Tom Cleaver >(*not* a boomer and yet an Original Staffer at "Rolling Stone") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 18:31:48 +0100 From: "Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton" To: Subject: Flying the friendly skies, or why Air New Zealand beats them all. Message-ID: <009201beeb31$eca95dc0$ccfca8c2@pc0973> With apologies for pinching another airline's slogan, but the skies just don't get any friendlier than this. For a long time I have been a fan of flying by Air New Zealand, mostly due to a very high standard of in flight catering and service and the generous provision of leg room. it wasn't until I started flying the Atlantic route again that I realised what those jokes about airline food were about - Pacific travellers are spoiled rotten by comparison. However for some there may be another incentive: - Now, this tale is true - those who need to check it's provenance need only go through back issues of the New Zealand Herald or any other NZ paper at the time. Unfortunately I can't give the exact date other than the early to mid 80s, but I well remember the fun the media had with it at the time. It started as a routine flight to Auckland from Narita - say 12 hours in flight. The passengers were settled down and the drinks had been served, and the crew have settled into the quiet routine of a long flight...bar just one member. At some stage of the flight one of the passengers has it made quite clear to him that he's the object of female desire on the part of one of the cabin crew. The approach was perhaps more enthusiastic than discrete, and it resulted in a complaint from one of the other passengers - clearly someone who thought he should have been the recipient of the attentions and not our lucky traveller. Order was restored. and the flight continued. A litttle while later someone noticed that the assistance lamp on one of the toilets was flashing with a steady rythmic pulse. Prompt investigation by the crew reveals our hero and heroine within, in what might best be called compromising circumstances - it was regular thumping of his bottom on the push button that was causing the light to flash. The case was brought before a disciplinary tribunal where the stewardess was able to show that she wasn't really herself on that day and that her behaviour was the product of the previously undocumented effects of a particular combination of prescribed medication and several glasses of wine the night before. She was allowed to leave with her rights and privileges restored(although nobody has actually said whether this discharge was without a stain on her character) and an awful lot of people have since had a great deal of fun trying to recreate the precise combination of chemicals that has that particular effect. So a happy ending for all, except for one poor copywriter in the advertising department whose suggestion for a new marketing slogan was turned down. His suggestion? "Other airlines don't give a f*ck. Air New Zealand does" Aidrian -----Original Message----- From: pedro To: Multiple recipients of list Date: 20 August 1999 16:39 Subject: Re: The List band: Reunion tour and album >Adrian, > >tell the man about Air New Zeland .................................. > >:-) > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 12:37:15 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Flying the friendly skies, or why Air New Zealand beats them all. Message-ID: <00b301beeb32$a6ae8560$df82aec7@dora9sprynet.com> BOOK ME A FLIGHT RIGHT NOW!!! DB -----Original Message----- From: Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Friday, August 20, 1999 12:32 PM Subject: Flying the friendly skies, or why Air New Zealand beats them all. >With apologies for pinching another airline's slogan, but the skies just >don't get any friendlier than this. > >For a long time I have been a fan of flying by Air New Zealand, mostly due >to a very high standard of in flight catering and service and the generous >provision of leg room. it wasn't until I started flying the Atlantic route >again that I realised what those jokes about airline food were about - >Pacific travellers are spoiled rotten by comparison. > >However for some there may be another incentive: - > >Now, this tale is true - those who need to check it's provenance need only >go through back issues of the New Zealand Herald or any other NZ paper at >the time. Unfortunately I can't give the exact date other than the early to >mid 80s, but I well remember the fun the media had with it at the time. > >It started as a routine flight to Auckland from Narita - say 12 hours in >flight. The passengers were settled down and the drinks had been served, and >the crew have settled into the quiet routine of a long flight...bar just >one member. > >At some stage of the flight one of the passengers has it made quite clear to >him that he's the object of female desire on the part of one of the cabin >crew. The approach was perhaps more enthusiastic than discrete, and it >resulted in a complaint from one of the other passengers - clearly someone >who thought he should have been the recipient of the attentions and not our >lucky traveller. > >Order was restored. and the flight continued. A litttle while later someone >noticed that the assistance lamp on one of the toilets was flashing with a >steady rythmic pulse. Prompt investigation by the crew reveals our hero and >heroine within, in what might best be called compromising circumstances - >it was regular thumping of his bottom on the push button that was causing >the light to flash. > >The case was brought before a disciplinary tribunal where the stewardess was >able to show that she wasn't really herself on that day and that her >behaviour was the product of the previously undocumented effects of a >particular combination of prescribed medication and several glasses of wine >the night before. She was allowed to leave with her rights and privileges >restored(although nobody has actually said whether this discharge was >without a stain on her character) and an awful lot of people have since had >a great deal of fun trying to recreate the precise combination of chemicals >that has that particular effect. > >So a happy ending for all, except for one poor copywriter in the advertising >department whose suggestion for a new marketing slogan was turned down. His >suggestion? > >"Other airlines don't give a f*ck. Air New Zealand does" > >Aidrian > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: pedro >To: Multiple recipients of list >Date: 20 August 1999 16:39 >Subject: Re: The List band: Reunion tour and album > > > >>Adrian, >> >>tell the man about Air New Zeland .................................. >> >>:-) >> > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 13:42:11 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The List band: Reunion tour and album Message-ID: In a message dated 99-08-20 13:27:15 EDT, you write: << Mr. Cleaver, you are a true curmudgeon in the style of Mencken and Clemens, (doffing hat, bows to thunderous applause) thenkyew thenkyew couldna donnit witoutya. and I would argue that it wasn't Altamont where R&R died, but in the plane with Buddy, Richie, and the Bopper. But that's debatable, like everything else.... >> Well, I would certainly agree with that statement about the crash. But having been there at Altamont, standing next to the Maysles Brothers cameraman who got the footage of the murder (introduced himself as George Lucas, a name that only Meant Something a few years later - yes, *that* George Lucas), I can definitely say that all the good times of good-time-rock-n-roll did depart like hyrdrogen gas out of a Drachen. Tom ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 13:44:15 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Flying the friendly skies, or why Air New Zealand beats them Message-ID: <8d150c86.24eeedef@aol.com> In a message dated 99-08-20 13:32:03 EDT, you write: << "Other airlines don't give a f*ck. Air New Zealand does" >> LOL! Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 12:49:01 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Schneider 75 mm Message-ID: <37BD950D.2BD1@bellsouth.net> dfernet0 wrote: > (why I'm sending this message?) Cos you're a LOONEY!!! :) E. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 15:56:07 EDT From: DWa7000007@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu, wwi@pease1sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Cramer's 1/48 Halberstadt D-I vac kit Message-ID: <63ff9c9f.24ef0cd7@aol.com> >?I have the Halberstadt Fighters Specials at home. But if I recall correctly, >the main differences between a Halb DI and DII were: A different nose (the >DII using a wing mounted Teves & Braun radiator), a more powerful engine >(100 hp for the DI and 120 hp for the DII) different exhausts, and maybe >different wing stagger. >The differences between the DII and the DIII were not too radical, maybe 1 >machine gun more and engine, but I don't remember well. HTH D. D, I have the kit in my hands. It arrived late this morning. And yes, a very crud kit: it has a D-II fuselage with D-V wings! (round cutout in the upper wind) however, the ailerons are of a D-II. It'll take some work, but I'm committed, and it will defiantly be a D-II when I'm done with it. There will be a lot of scratch building ahead of me on this one, but I got a lot of leftover goodies from other projects in my spare parts box to help me along the way. Danny ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 16:51:58 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: Omega Kits was Short in box review Message-ID: <000a01beeb4d$dc3c48a0$85fe45cf@default> >Greetings, >I suspect that you two gentlemen have two different kits. My kit, bought at >Telford last Nationals, has no decals, no clear plastic, no colouring info >and the wings are quite thick with no under surface detail. Possibly mine >is an earlier kit, but also possibly it is not the same kit! Omega list >three versions of this a/c:- Farman F30bis No. 7203 ( which is the one I >have), Farman F30bis Army No.7204 and Farman F30 No.7205(on skis). From >the illustrations in the list the main difference seems to be the armament. >Incidently the F30 still shows the Canton Unne engine. Overall quality of my >kit is acceptable (apart from the wings) but not exceptional. It would be >interesting to compare kit numbers. Len : You are right on both counts. I have the F.30bis Kit # 72003. Looking on the side panel of the boc there is a phooto of an F.30 in early Soviet stars no kit number. So yes Brent and I have different kits. Notice the difference in kit numbers You say 7203 and I have 72003 both the F.30bis. I expect you have an earlier run as mine does not have the problems you mentioned. The undersides of the wings lack detail. but the trailing edges are quite acceptable and will require only minimal sanding. The engine is well molded and has seperate pushrods & plug harness. sp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 18:10:10 -0400 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Booted Again Message-ID: <199908202219.SAA12390@mail6.globalserve.net> I just had to re-sub after getting kicked off the list once more. I find this extremely annoying. Why does this happen and what can be done to prevent this. I post fairly frequently. I delete my cache on a regular basis. The worst part is not knowing when you've been booted. Today I have the day off and have been hovering near the machine on and off all day. I was apparently un-subbed around noon and finally checked around 5pm. I figured maybe it was just a slow day. Would it be possible to have a notification sent to advise when you've been booted or perhaps a pending boot? Al? Brad ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 17:17:10 -0500 From: Tom Solinski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: List Button design contest. Message-ID: <37BDD3E6.5BBA0E7D@ionet.net> > I will be working on getting the necessary materials together to > make another batch of them. I can't give you a target date at this > time, but I am going to make more. > John One though before you invest time or money. Since the list is growing by leaps and bounds, and we did hear a little copyright issue in earlier posts, I was thinking of building on someone's post in that let's design a new, computer based button artwork for the new millennial. Then as I thought we could do already a new member could down load the "official" button complete with space for name, home and primary interest spaces, fill them in and have a button made in the local area. If that's not cost effective then the design could be flexible enough to be printed on self stick labels pr fit inside of these clear plastic "hello my name is" pins. I think if we do this right A you won't have to be the single source of the pin artwork, B everyone with access to a simple color printer will have his/her own personalized pin, and C you'll never loose it just print a new one. Given the flexibility of the computer we can even have "International World War One Modeling List Member" pins in local languages, would be neat to see English, Spanish. Portuguese, etc. look alike pins. Any one up for a graphics design contest? tom S ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 15:28:07 -0700 From: "Mark Shanks" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Booted Again Message-ID: <199908202222.PAA28256@elvis.fltdyn.com> Brad Gossen writes: > I just had to re-sub after getting kicked off the list once more. I find > this extremely annoying. Why does this happen and what can be done to > prevent this. I post fairly frequently. Gee, I don't know - maybe it's an editorial comment? ;-) I hardly ever post, and haven't been booted yet. mark mshanks@fltdyn.com ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1791 **********************