WWI Digest 1786 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Help on German tent hangars by DWa7000007@aol.com 2) Re: Woohoo I made it back & to Arizona by DWa7000007@aol.com 3) Re: Fr Camo Question by Bill Shatzer 4) Re: Thief, was Re: Gotha! by "d mather" 5) Re: Fr Camo Question by "PETER LEONARD" 6) Re: Fr Camo Question by Mike Fletcher 7) RE: Imrie articles by Shane Weier 8) Re: Power Tools by Ernest Thomas 9) Re: Power Tools by "PETER LEONARD" 10) Re: Power Tools by Albatrosdv@aol.com 11) The List band: Reunion tour and album (was Re: Power Tools) by "Bob Pearson" 12) Testosterone, was Re: Help on German tent hangars by Ernest Thomas 13) Re: The List band: Reunion tour and album (was Re: Power Tools) by "PETER LEONARD" 14) Re: The List band: Reunion tour and album (was Re: Power Tools) by Ernest Thomas 15) Re: Power Tools by Ernest Thomas 16) Re: The List band: Reunion tour and album (was Re: Power Tools) by "Bob Pearson" 17) Re: Torque question by Dave Berry 18) Re: The List band: Reunion tour and album (was Re: Power Tools) by "PETER LEONARD" 19) Re: The List band: Reunion tour and album (was Re: Power Tools) by Ernest Thomas 20) Re: Imrie articles by "Sandy Adam" 21) Re: Imrie articles by Ernest Thomas 22) Re: The List band: Reunion tour and album (was Re: Power Tools) by Ernest Thomas 23) Re: Testosterone, was Re: Help on German tent hangars by DWa7000007@aol.com 24) Re: The List band: Reunion tour and album (was Re: Power Tools) by "Sandy Adam" 25) Re: Testosterone, was Re: Help on German tent hangars by Ernest Thomas 26) Re: Testosterone, was Re: Help on German tent hangars by DWa7000007@aol.com 27) Re: The List band: Reunion tour and album (was Re: Power Tools) by Matthew E Bittner 28) RE: Woohoo I made it back & to Arizona by "dfernet0" 29) Re: The List band: Reunion tour and album (was Re: Power Tools) by "Bob Pearson" 30) RE: Tau be or not tau be by "dfernet0" 31) Re: Tau be or not tau be by smperry@mindspring.com 32) RE: Tau be or not tau be by "PETER LEONARD" 33) RE: Tau be or not tau be by "dfernet0" 34) RE: Tau be or not tau be by "PETER LEONARD" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 23:47:39 EDT From: DWa7000007@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Help on German tent hangars Message-ID: <105c25bc.24ecd85b@aol.com> > I like it. But why not make the guy with the telescope watching French >peasant girls bathing in a nearby pond. Those kind of things always add >a little something extra to a dio. And it would be more funner to build >too. >And if that doesn't convince you, remember this; SEX SELLS!!! >If you don't believe me, just go back through the archives and see how >often Ursula Andress comes up when ever we start talking about 'The Blue >Max'. E. who's probably never had a thought originate above the waist. E, You got a point there but, Maybe that's how Billy Bishop sneaked up on that German Airdrome one morning! You know the rest of the story. Sex sells, I hate to say, and forget the archives, just read Jack Hunters book The Blue Max! and as for Ursula (hubba hubba) Andress, I got the movie. No, I think I'll be much better off with the man's eye to the sky. But that don't mean I can't have a few peasant girls fraternizing with the pilots. But I think we all should keep the testosterone level to a minimum in our dioramas. But thanks for the suggestions, E. Danny Walden ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 23:49:50 EDT From: DWa7000007@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Woohoo I made it back & to Arizona Message-ID: <1a176bc8.24ecd8de@aol.com> Matt, Oops, I forgot. But at least those had lozenge! Danny Walden ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 22:19:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill Shatzer To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Fr Camo Question Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Aug 1999, Matthew Zivich wrote: > I've noticed some SPADs and Breguets were painted a greyish-yellow > completely and have wondered what was the reasoning behind this color > scheme. The color seems to want to imitate CDL especially when used on > metal and perhaps wood parts of the aircraft. Even with subtle color > differences between metal and linen sections the effect appears to make > the aircraft look wholly one color throughout. But why this particular > color? It doesn't seem to want to be an ideal camo. color compared to > the more earthen hues used much more often by all sides. Earlier > aircraft used cdl throughout an aircraft but wood was varnished and > metal was natural or painted a different color, so why an overall "cdl" > effect? I think the short answer was that initially at least, they were more concerned about increasing the protection and life-span of the fabric and dopes than with any camouflage effect. While it doesn't directly bear on your question, the following exerpt from the Spring 1989 Windsock sort of hints at some of the reasons on this. It may be of interest to some. "French WWI color schemes may be broken down into three periods, the ... camouflage era..., the 'clear doped period (1914 to mid-1916) and the 'yellow period' (from mid-1916 to early 1918). These are, of course, approximations. As far as the earliest clear-doped machines are concerned, one must not assume that the pale cream appearance was universal for this only applied to machines covered with unbleached material. Many Bleriots, Moranes, and Breguets were covered with fabrics with additives such as rubberizing solutions which gave them a variety of browns from biscuit to mid-brown and mid- to quite dark grey, Evenetually, the rubberized fabrics were replaced by plain material and the French adopted the practice of overpainting basic coats of dope (used to toughen and strink the fabric) with a coat of fatty varnish in linseed oil. The result was to slightly darken and enrich the yellowish shade which gave the appearance of light yellow. The Office of US Military Observers with the French Army reported after a tour of inspection made in mid-1916 that "...all aeroplanes leave the factories painted in one color - either aluminum or light yellow." The former referred ti the first of the Nieuports finished in this paint. Unfortunately, the habit of adding the last coat of fatty varnish was not overly successful for after a while it cracked and flaked off from the cellulose dope underneath. 1916 saw the introduction of 'enduit metallise' (metal coat) which in its most straight forward form was used on Nieuports. It also meant that aluminum powder was added to other colors but it is probable that there was some period of experimentation and the remainder of the 'yellow period' may have included machines painted with aluminum added to a basic plain yellow as well as an earlier scheme which involved simply a plain yellow paint being added to the fatty varnish to make it adhere better to the undercoat. This may be the finish described by de Marcay as 'the old glossy dopes' in the context of the introduction of the new camouflage colours. Doubtless there were variations in the shade of yellow during the 'yellow period' and it is highly probable that aluminum powder was added to the yellow towards the end of the period. The result was not a silvery yellow but rather a solid, opaque colour which varied from a rich warm egg yolk colour through a near beige to whitish yellow. This can be confirmed in various ways, the best being to study those precious few aeroplanes which still exist in their original fabric. Perhaps the finest example is the Spad 7C1 S254 of Georges Guyenmeyer now displayed at LeBourget with its original covering intact and the painted areas studiously matched to the original shade - in this instance more beige than yellow..." [ed note: I think read that Guyenmer's Spad was restored and recovered after this article was written and no longer displays its original fabric.] Cheers and all, ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 22:59:06 PDT From: "d mather" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Thief, was Re: Gotha! Message-ID: <19990819055907.46299.qmail@hotmail.com> >From what I understand, Jesse, the kit may have been someone else's and once he had taken the kit and realized that he could get more, he raised it... doug At an IPMS contest, a friend went to buy a 'collector kit' from Buzz at a price that was clearly marked on the box. When said friend went to conduct the transaction, Buzz looked at the model and price and claimed the price was wrong. He then scribbled in a much higher price on the label. This kind of 'bait and switch' sales practice is illegal in North Carolina. The fellow broke the law in this instance. I was there and saw it. --Jesse Thorn   Raleigh, NC _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 23:01:20 PDT From: "PETER LEONARD" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Fr Camo Question Message-ID: <19990819060128.66603.qmail@hotmail.com> <<[ed note: I thinkread that Guyenmer's Spad was restored and recovered after this article was written and no longer displaysits original fabric.]>> Guynemer's SPAD was in fact re-covered with it's original fabric. A remarkable effort on the part of the restorers. Just imagine how delicate that stuff is after 80 years. Vive la Musee De l'Air. Peter Leonard IPMS UK Lancashire & Cheshire Branch http://www.storks.cwc.net http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com PeterL@cwcom.net ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 23:15:03 -0700 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Fr Camo Question Message-ID: <37BBA0E7.685676BE@mars.ark.com> The Guynemer SPAD was recovered with the original fabric, so the colour remains true (with the effects of aging and sunlight of course) -- Mike Fletcher ___ ., mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; mikef@sparc.nic.bc.ca |--n--""*" icq=19554083 @ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 16:39:14 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Imrie articles Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD475A28@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Bob, > A copy of Alex Imrie`s articles in Scale Models (1969) > regarding German > two-seater Markings; plus a copy of Peter Graay's article on > Camouflage Patterns (proper colors used in 4- and 5- color > patterns with Methuen and Munsell numbers) Available as a > package for 5.ppd. I take it these and other items offered are spare originals and not xeroxes. Because if they *are* copies you should be aware that the list has had a very bad experience with the distribution via the list of copyrighted material. Not to put too fine a point on it, this risks the continued existence of the list, and *possibly* Alans job Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 02:23:33 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Power Tools Message-ID: <37BBB0F5.1FAD@bellsouth.net> DAVID BURKE wrote: > BTW, does anyone make a 1/48 set of Rickenbacker Spad 13 and Udet Fokker > D.VII decals so I don't have to hassle with the crummy DML decals? Aeromaster had some Rick decals on thier SPAD sheet. I also think one of the issues of the Glenco SPAD had some as well. If the Aeromaster set is OOP, the Gleco kit would be worth the ten bucks it cost, as you get decals for a bunch of different birds, and the model itself is about the best of the WWI kits Glenco has. Not as good as the DML, but still a pretty decent kit. As for Udet's bird, I'm not aware of any aftermarket sets currrently available. Mine used nationals from a couple different Superscale sheets and the LO was done with dry transfers. Hth... E. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 00:36:02 PDT From: "PETER LEONARD" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Power Tools Message-ID: <19990819073617.49558.qmail@hotmail.com> Blue Rider have an Udet DVII on one of thier sheets, and Ministry of Small Aircraft Production include an excellent Capt EV Stratocaster option in thier SPAD collecion. Peter Leonard IPMS UK Lancashire & Cheshire Branch http://www.storks.cwc.net http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com PeterL@cwcom.net ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 03:40:13 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Power Tools Message-ID: <6b5d5a67.24ed0edd@aol.com> In a message dated 99-08-19 03:26:34 EDT, you write: << Aeromaster had some Rick decals on thier SPAD sheet >> The onoy Rickenbacker decals in 1/48 from Aeromaster I am aware of is the set of markings on their US Top Guns sheet, their "first anniversary" special release. Good sheet if you can find it - those are the only OT markings, but the others are good, too. Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 00:47:27 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: The List band: Reunion tour and album (was Re: Power Tools) Message-ID: <199908190757.AAA05956@mail.rapidnet.net> Peter writes . . . "Capt EV Stratocaster" Why it sounds like Peter is a candidate for the list band !!!!!!!! Lessee thats 12 guitars (give or take), bass, drums, bagpipes, sitar, trumpet, operatic tenor, and I'm told Lorna sings . . so we now have backup vocals. .unless she wants to front the thing, roadie and manager. Bob (just in the door from my third rehearsal with a new band in four days ... hot damn but its fun to play again) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 02:53:05 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Testosterone, was Re: Help on German tent hangars Message-ID: <37BBB7E1.3D09@bellsouth.net> DWa7000007@aol.com wrote: > But I think we all should keep the testosterone level to a minimum in > our dioramas. This is such a peculiar statement, I can't help but comment on it. Without going into a lengthy biology lesson, let me just say that testosterone has played a vital role in every act of aggression commited in the animal kingdom for perhaps the last billion years, including every war humans have ever waged on themselves. It also has played a vital role in the evolution of the animal kingdom, which made humans possible. Lastly, the whole senario for you captured aerodrome diorama would not have been possible without high levels of testosterone. Testosterone; It's the root of all evil, as well as the stuff that makes the world go around. Don't leave home without it. :) For a good book which explains this chemical in laymans terms, I recomend 'Shadows of Forgotten Ancestors' Sagan/Druyan, 1992. E. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 00:56:51 PDT From: "PETER LEONARD" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The List band: Reunion tour and album (was Re: Power Tools) Message-ID: <19990819075652.72853.qmail@hotmail.com> Bob writes <> Strictly spoons and kazoo old boy Peter Leonard IPMS UK Lancashire & Cheshire Branch http://www.storks.cwc.net http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com PeterL@cwcom.net ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 02:56:32 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The List band: Reunion tour and album (was Re: Power Tools) Message-ID: <37BBB8B0.702B@bellsouth.net> Bob Pearson wrote: > (just in the door from my third rehearsal with a new band in four days ... > hot damn but its fun to play again) Lucky you! And yes, it does sound like Peter should be auditioned right away. E. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 03:00:09 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Power Tools Message-ID: <37BBB989.6D9A@bellsouth.net> Albatrosdv@aol.com wrote: > The onoy Rickenbacker decals in 1/48 from Aeromaster I am aware of is the set > of markings on their US Top Guns sheet, their "first anniversary" special > release. Good sheet if you can find it - those are the only OT markings, but > the others are good, too. > Then let me enlighten you. Aeromaster did a SPAD collection, which included EV Tele, a Belgian SPAD, and several others. Don't have the product number in front of me, but it was 48 someting or other :) E. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 01:04:48 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The List band: Reunion tour and album (was Re: Power Tools) Message-ID: <199908190815.BAA06200@mail.rapidnet.net> >> (just in the door from my third rehearsal with a new band in four days ... >> hot damn but its fun to play again) > > Lucky you! And yes, it does sound like Peter should be auditioned right > away. > E. I agree, a good kazoo player is a real find. Now to find a composer for our particular instrumentation. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 04:27:15 -0400 From: Dave Berry To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Torque question Message-ID: <37BBBFE3.C7DA05B0@total.net> That makes it somewhat of an engineering marvel. Early aircraft designers thought stability was the key, even when designing aircraft for military purposes. Stability is inversely proportional to maneuverability. Modern fighters are fly-by-wire because they are inherently unstable. Designers eventually realized that maneuverability was the key. So designing an aircraft that close to the edge, maybe just a little too close to that edge, was quite an engineering feat. Especially when you consider that they did it with pencil and slide rule, no computers and finite panel analysis. My brain suddenly feels really small. Dave Berry Shane Weier wrote: > Doug and others, > > > I believe the real culprit here is the short fuselage. It is > > referred to as > > being short coupled. I will have to poke some of the AEs I > > know to get the > > real explanation. It has to do with the tail moment and tail > > area. I'll report back when I get the data. > > Since I had a day off I took the opportunity to ask a friend at UQ who is an > aeronautical engineering lecturer. > > It appears we all have hit on part of the explanation > > The explanation I was given was that the centre of mass is almost congruent > with the centre of lift and tightly grouped around that point - 80% of mass > in 7' . With the short fuselage - and close coupled is the correct term - > the amount of leverage given the horizontal stabilisers and vertical fin is > relatively small, so the effect of these surfaces is reduced and the > aircraft is only barely inherently stable. > > Sounded right to me, though I may have buggered up the description > > Shane > ************************************************************** > The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential > and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). > If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution > or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are > requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems > to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. > E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. > ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 01:14:23 PDT From: "PETER LEONARD" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The List band: Reunion tour and album (was Re: Power Tools) Message-ID: <19990819081424.62467.qmail@hotmail.com> The only on topic composers I can think of are Andrew "Lloyd" Webber or Linnen and McCartney Peter Leonard IPMS UK Lancashire & Cheshire Branch http://www.storks.cwc.net http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com PeterL@cwcom.net ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 03:23:28 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The List band: Reunion tour and album (was Re: Power Tools) Message-ID: <37BBBF00.3F43@bellsouth.net> Bob Pearson wrote: > I agree, a good kazoo player is a real find. Now to find a composer for our > particular instrumentation. What's Andrew LLoyd Webber doing these days? And considering what brought this band together, I think we should find a good Lewis gun player. Unless you wanted to go with a more alternative sound, then maybe we should find someone who can play twin Spandaus. E. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 09:07:15 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Imrie articles Message-ID: <005c01beea1c$510f65a0$15e8b094@sandyada> Will you accept a copy of a five pound note for them? Sandy >A copy of Alex Imrie`s articles in Scale Models (1969) regarding German >two-seater Markings; plus a copy of Peter Graay's article on Camouflage >Patterns (proper colors used in 4- and 5- color patterns with Methuen >and Munsell numbers) Available as a package for 5.ppd. bobfabris@delphi.com > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 03:32:22 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Imrie articles Message-ID: <37BBC116.13E6@bellsouth.net> Sandy Adam wrote: > > Will you accept a copy of a five pound note for them? I'll make photocopies of any Edwierd kit you want for a tenner? E. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 03:36:07 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The List band: Reunion tour and album (was Re: Power Tools) Message-ID: <37BBC1F7.3D6A@bellsouth.net> PETER LEONARD wrote: > > The only on topic composers I can think of are Andrew "Lloyd" Webber or > Linnen and McCartney I also suggested Webber. But if we resurrect Linnen, McCartney will make us do the same with his no-talent wife. And in the end, they'd end up selling us to Michael Jackson. Do YOU want to live at HIS house? I sure don't, but I have kids. E. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 04:36:39 EDT From: DWa7000007@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Testosterone, was Re: Help on German tent hangars Message-ID: <78bd6b29.24ed1c17@aol.com> E, Sorry about that. I'll go read up on it. But all I meant to say was, I want my diorama to focus on the men, machines and the busyness of a historical airdrome. Not sex. Happy Modeling. Danny Walden ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 09:40:50 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: The List band: Reunion tour and album (was Re: Power Tools) Message-ID: <007401beea1e$8c9a6640$15e8b094@sandyada> I'm a bit busy to rehearse with other members of the list band just now I'm afraid - there's this little event called the Edinburgh Festival running right now and I've got to lend my vocal talents to a bunch of amateurs called the Vienna Philharmonic next week (Mahler 2 - Simon Rattle) - maybe I can suggest to them that rather than boring old evening dress they could all wear Austro-Hungarian lozenge clothing? Could put big Iron Crosses on the Tuba and Timpani too. Just done a concert with one of Shane's countrymen - Sir Charles Mackerras - bet few of you knew that an Australian was one of the world's great conductors - he does like a drink or six too though! Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 03:54:04 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Testosterone, was Re: Help on German tent hangars Message-ID: <37BBC62C.206B@bellsouth.net> DWa7000007@aol.com wrote: > > E, > Sorry about that. I'll go read up on it. But all I meant to say was, I > want my diorama to focus on the men, machines and the busyness of a > historical airdrome. Not sex. No need to apologize. And the focus of your dio would still be the business of war. The sex part would just be a little bonus for those who took the time to really look it over. Like the rotting corpse in the back of a wrecked Jap bomber on a epic dio that was in Orlando last month. You don't even have to show any of the peasant girls goodies. Just have them in the water up to their shoulders with their pretty peasant dresses hanging from a nearby branch. Just a thought... E. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 05:21:43 EDT From: DWa7000007@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Testosterone, was Re: Help on German tent hangars Message-ID: <34a000c5.24ed26a7@aol.com> E, I understand what your saying. I'm sure many a girl lost their innocents in some guys bell tent. I'll take it in consideration. You know there's another photo in the same osprey book that depicts these spectators watching the Fokker Dr.Is of Jasta Boelcke, and if I recall right, the photograph shows these group of ladies actually having a picnic just off to the side of one of the hangars! Now, that's something to work with. A Horch 10/30 PS military car would do nicely in the German scene too. anyway, thanks again E. Danny ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 05:02:24 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The List band: Reunion tour and album (was Re: Power Tools) Message-ID: <19990819.050430.-26129.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Thu, 19 Aug 1999 04:04:30 -0400 (EDT) "Bob Pearson" writes: > I agree, a good kazoo player is a real find. Now to find a composer > for our > particular instrumentation. Peter Schikele comes to mind... Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 07:19:42 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Woohoo I made it back & to Arizona Message-ID: <020901bee963$2fb0c2a0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Eric! Scan your cockpit pictures and send them to Allan! P-P-P-P-Please! Diego ----- Original Message ----- From: ERIC HIGHT To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 1999 4:51 PM Subject: Re: Woohoo I made it back & to Arizona > cam, > it should start to cool down a little bit then. champlin in not have air > condtioning. go in the morning. well worth while they also have ww11 and > korean war fighters. they even have a wwii russian tank. i have found > them to be very co-operative. i have been able to borrow a ladder and > photo the inside of a/c. i must say that i am a member of the wwi aviation > historical league and that is where we meet. if we can work scheudales i > might be able to help you out with them if you need it. > eric > > jesse, > the best thing i can say in regards to buzz is don't include him as a > vendor or at warn people about him who have the misfortune to be near him. > word of mouth seems to the most effective "weapon". now i've said my peace > so if you need more contact me off list. thanks again! > eric > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 03:34:49 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The List band: Reunion tour and album (was Re: Power Tools) Message-ID: <199908191045.DAA08014@mail.rapidnet.net> >> I agree, a good kazoo player is a real find. Now to find a composer >> for our >> particular instrumentation. > > Peter Schikele comes to mind... Who? He write anything for Dusty Springfield (can you believe it is at least a year since I last mentioned her) ??? Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 08:08:15 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Tau be or not tau be Message-ID: <029101bee969$f7fddd00$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Kendix To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 1999 5:53 PM Subject: Re: Tau be or not tau be > Diego: > > I saw a vacuform of this kit when I was at Comet Mina\iatures in London, > but I baulked at the 10 pound price tag. Does anyone recall the > manufacturer of this vacuform? I'm now kicking myself for not buying it. > > Michael > Yep, I think that vacuform wings can made the trick of very thin wings. Just add the rib undersides made of stretched sprues et voilá! Maybe one of our list members detached in London can act as a broker for you. Besides, I want to say (after re-reading my post from yesterday) that the kit isn't bad at all, just that it has the disadvantages/advantages of the medium on wich it is made. An injected plastic kit of the Taube in a bigger scale (yes! even 1/48) would be superb. Another reference found: A past issue of FSM (maybe in '95 or '96) has a neat picture in the Reader Gallery of a scratchbuilt Taube, the same of the double page colour illustration in Apostolo & Begnozzi book. D. Getting metaphisical: If we're just clay models of God, the First Scratchbuilder, so, we have the disadvantages of the medium of wich we're made? :-0 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 07:34:23 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: Tau be or not tau be Message-ID: <000801beea36$ca1a3000$4a2845cf@default> >An injected plastic kit of the Taube in a bigger scale (yes! even >1/48) would be superb. Diego: Is, not would be. One of the goodies at the Nats was the Eduard table where they had a test shot of the 1:48 Tabue mold. Just beautiful. It was in gray plastic, but the felow at the table said they were experimenting with clear plastic, trying to get it not so brittle. He also said that they would release the kit in all gray styrene if the clear idea didn't work out well. He wouldn't speculate on the release date. The Tabue won't need decals and hence it's an excellent subject for Toko, let's hope for a new 1:72 kit too :-) sp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 04:34:14 PDT From: "PETER LEONARD" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Tau be or not tau be Message-ID: <19990819113418.43766.qmail@hotmail.com> Diego, You may already know this but a Taube in 1/48 is imminent from Flashback, so I'm hoding my fire. Otherwize I might have been tempted to try it in cereal packet scale :¬) If anyone SHOULD do the Taube justice though it AUGHT to be Chris Gannon. He first made his name as IPMS junior champion with a 1/32 scratchbuilt Taube in 19 ought eighty something. Of course whether or not he makes his own masters is open to debate. Peter Leonard IPMS UK Lancashire & Cheshire Branch http://www.storks.cwc.net http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com PeterL@cwcom.net ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 08:59:32 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Tau be or not tau be Message-ID: <001301bee971$21fc1f20$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Peter, Steven 1/48, then? Well, It'll be worth to see it. One of the thing that impressed me was that this bird was quite big compared with the airplanes of the era. As a matter of fact, when I bought the AlbCIII some weeks ago I saw his signature into a fuselage half and his initials were too into the fuselage of the Alb DIII. But I don't found it inside the Taube, maybe this indicates that the master was done by another artisan? Who knows. D. ----- Original Message ----- From: PETER LEONARD To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, August 19, 1999 8:35 AM Subject: RE: Tau be or not tau be > Diego, > You may already know this but a Taube in 1/48 is imminent from > Flashback, so I'm hoding my fire. Otherwize I might have been tempted to try > it in cereal packet scale :¬) If anyone SHOULD do the Taube justice though > it AUGHT to be Chris Gannon. He first made his name as IPMS junior champion > with a 1/32 scratchbuilt Taube in 19 ought eighty something. Of course > whether or not he makes his own masters is open to debate. > > Peter Leonard > IPMS UK > Lancashire & Cheshire Branch > http://www.storks.cwc.net > http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com > PeterL@cwcom.net > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 05:35:22 PDT From: "PETER LEONARD" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Tau be or not tau be Message-ID: <19990819123533.53177.qmail@hotmail.com> Diego, as one who has mastered a handful of kits myself I know the signs. I am not so familiar with the Pegasus kits, but I believe I know the origin of every master up to and including the Pfalz DXII in the Blue Max range. Suffice to say they are not entirely original, although bear the mark of one modeler. >From there on another hand is at work, as evidenced by the different methods of adding detail, but much of it is still less than original and I feel sure other list members will have reached the same conclusions as I. Peter Leonard IPMS UK Lancashire & Cheshire Branch http://www.storks.cwc.net http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com PeterL@cwcom.net ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1786 **********************