WWI Digest 1780 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Speaking of Junkers... by Matthew E Bittner 2) Re: Speaking of Junkers... by Dennis Ugulano 3) Re: Speaking of Junkers... by Dennis Ugulano 4) New Workbench Photo by lfendy@firstsaga.com (Leonard Endy) 5) Re: 1/72 details, Wood effects, Brumowski Distribution by "Nigel Rayner" 6) Re: Speaking of Junkers... by Allan Wright 7) Re: Thief, was Re: Gotha! by ERIC HIGHT 8) Re: Speaking of Junkers... by Matthew E Bittner 9) Re: Speaking of Junkers... by Matthew E Bittner 10) Re: Speaking of Junkers by Larry Neal 11) Re: New Workbench Photo by Matthew E Bittner 12) Re: 1/72 details, Wood effects, Brumowski Distribution by Matthew E Bittner 13) Re: 1/72 details, Wood effects, Brumowski Distribution by "Sandy Adam" 14) Re: Thief, was Re: Gotha! by "Michael Kendix" 15) Re: New Workbench Photo by "Bob Pearson" 16) Re: New Workbench Photo by lfendy@firstsaga.com (Leonard Endy) 17) WWI Aero Magazines - 4 sale by BStett3770@aol.com 18) WWI Aeros -4 Sale by BStett3770@aol.com 19) Re: A/C hardware question by "Brad Gossen" 20) Rhinebeck Reminder by "Brad Gossen" 21) Torque question by Tom Solinski 22) Re: Speaking of Junkers... by "richard eaton" 23) RE: RE: Ugliest Plane was: Big Ack....... by Shane Weier 24) RE: Ugliest Plane was: Big Ack....... by Shane Weier 25) Help on German tent hangars by DWa7000007@aol.com 26) RE: Ugliest Plane was: Big Ack....... by Shane Weier 27) RE: Torque question by Shane Weier 28) Re: was Windsock 15-4 / Toko etc by Michael Kendix 29) Old Cross and Cockades' for Sale by Ashley9862@aol.com 30) Re: Torque question by Mike Fletcher ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:04:42 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Speaking of Junkers... Message-ID: <19990816.140443.-84537.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:30:14 -0400 (EDT) Allan Wright writes: > Speaking of Junkers, I think I've mentioned this before, but any > options > to do the Junkers D-I othere than the Warbirds Vac? I've already > ruined > one of these - the gull wings kicked my ass..... Never got the parts > cut > off the sheet properly..... It's one of Pegasus' earlier kits. Not bad for the time since the wings, etc. are thick anyway. ;-) Highly recommended, if you can find one. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:18:14 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Speaking of Junkers... Message-ID: <199908161518_MC2-813B-3585@compuserve.com> Al, >> but any options to do the Junkers D-I othere than the Warbirds Vac? << Yes, Pegasus did a D.I quite some time back. Kit no 019. I have the Rareplane in my collection, in fact it was my first vacuform. Dressed up with aftermarket parts, it will really look good today. Rareplane makes a very good vac. give it another try if you can't find the Pegasus. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://members.xoom.com/Uggies/DJU.HTM Page Revised 8/16/99 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:18:15 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Speaking of Junkers... Message-ID: <199908161518_MC2-813B-3586@compuserve.com> Lance, >> Seems like vacuform is a poor medium for the corrugated skin.... << Actually the Rareplane corrugated skin looks pretty decent. With just a little cleanup it makes a nice looking kit. The J.1 is the furniture van and Merlin made it in 1/72. It is a big chunk of plastic and one his better ones. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://members.xoom.com/Uggies/DJU.HTM Page Revised 8/16/99 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:30:19 GMT From: lfendy@firstsaga.com (Leonard Endy) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: New Workbench Photo Message-ID: <37bb65da.10950177@legend.firstsaga.com> Hi All, I've added Ernest Thomas' workbench photo to the site along with some recent photos of my Grandson who recently turned one. They can be seen at: www2.firstsaga.com/lfendy/fof_site.htm Also the "Four Rogues" and the "Alberto Off-Topic" pics, along with some from the Nats, should be in Allan's hands by the time you read this. Len ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:44:32 +0100 From: "Nigel Rayner" To: Subject: Re: 1/72 details, Wood effects, Brumowski Distribution Message-ID: <000a01bee81f$e65df4e0$2e0c883e@nigelr> Hi all, A long time list lurker de-lurking with a couple of comments and a plea for help. 1/72 details - the Tom's Modelworks sets for French, German and British interiors contain most of what you need - seats, belts, throttle quadrants, rudder bars, controls, stitching, bezels and more. I got some from Roll Models last year (not sure if they're still available). Also, Reheat Models (UK company, not sure of US distributors) does "vintage" instrument bezels in 1/72 (some WWII stuff but enough WWI compatible stuff to do a lot of kits from one pack). They also do "vintage" cockpit details (Tom's stuff is much more useful) and "vintage and modern" cockpit mirrors (ideal for rear view mirrors). So I think Eric's right - there probably isn't enough of a market for more 1/72 generic details (although specific detail sets for Toko kits a la Part might work.....). Also check out Barry's new stuff - resin seats with moulded seat belts in 1/72 sound good. Wood effects - I find use of Prismalcolor artist's pencils very effective and easily controlled. Paint a light base colour (eg Testor's Wood), draw graining and panel lines with coloured pencils in appropriate dark brown shades, then apply washes of highly thinned Burnt Sienna and Burnt Umber oil colours to give depth and approriate wood shade. Works well in 1/72. Finally, a quick question. I also have the Toko Startstrutter and like the Brumoswski scheme. Toko include decals for a "Brumowski Distribution" pattern of a dark-greenish base with bright yellow "s" shapes on their sides (eg a bit like this "~"). I reckon the colours can be dulled down with washes of appropriate brown, but would any of the AH experts care to comment on the accuracy of the flat "s" shape squiggles? I've only seen pics of the DIII distribution patterns which are more like "whorls" (small circles). I checked the archive, and there is a reference to the one known pic of Brumowksi leaning on an HB DI with some form of distribution pattern. What was this like? TIA and bye for now, Nigel R. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:08:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Allan Wright To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Speaking of Junkers... Message-ID: <199908162008.QAA11377@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > > Speaking of Junkers, I think I've mentioned this before, but any > > options > > to do the Junkers D-I othere than the Warbirds Vac? I've already > > ruined > > one of these - the gull wings kicked my ass..... Never got the parts > > cut > > off the sheet properly..... > > It's one of Pegasus' earlier kits. Not bad for the time since the wings, > etc. are thick anyway. ;-) Highly recommended, if you can find one. Aw shucks.....another kit I have to search out and beat James Gibbons to! -Allan =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:16:00 -0700 From: ERIC HIGHT To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Thief, was Re: Gotha! Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990816131600.00708c74@pop.amug.org> dear mike, these are not idle accusations. buzz took decals off my table without my permission and then sold them to ernie(whom i didn't know untill after this happened), he collected funds via ernies credit card and put the proceeds in his pocket. i have a copy of the credit card slip and it is not mine. i did not get paid for the decals. what he charges for things may be "criminal"(some people think my prices are "criminal") but that's not the beef here. i had about 20 vendors come up to me after this happened and say that he has been stealing off of other vendors tables for years and no body has been able to catch him. i can't speak to these but he did steal off my table and sell what he stole, THAT IS A FACT! my warning is to other vendors that may have the misfortune to be next to him at show. i personally would like to see him banned for any show. as a vendor working alone you got to be able to trust the vendor next to you when he/she says i'll watch your table while your gone. as to ripping off his customers i have heard nothing on that. i filed a police report. the authorities do not seem to want to do anything about this petty theft(20.00). i would warn any one putting on a vending event to beware of this guy. there is not much else i can do but put out the word. i have the proof and i am sure ernie will back me up. eric ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:45:09 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Speaking of Junkers... Message-ID: <19990816.151503.-245205.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:08:33 -0400 (EDT) Allan Wright writes: > Oh, I forgot to mention I'm only really interested in 1/72 > scale..... One of us truly enlightened folks! ;-) Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:46:25 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Speaking of Junkers... Message-ID: <19990816.151503.-245205.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:22:17 -0400 (EDT) Dennis Ugulano writes: > The J.1 is the furniture van and Merlin made it in 1/72. It > is a > big chunk of plastic and one his better ones. I believe Steve Hustad's J.I is on the site, made from the Merlin kit. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:21:45 MDT From: Larry Neal To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Speaking of Junkers Message-ID: <199908162021.OAA02289@tcwb467.col.hp.com> The '72 Warbirds vac is actually a pretty decent kit for a vac. nicely detailed corrugations. I messed my wings up as well, but I've got a couple of them stashed so I'll do better next time. :) (trimmed too close, next time I'll sand down to size) The '72 Pegasus kit is also nice if you can find it. The wings are a little thick at the trailing edge IIRC (a problem with corrugation) but looks good overall. Merlin made a J.1 and a J.1 !?! one is the ground attack plane and the other is a D.1 proto (tin donkey). The J.1 ground attack is a "big" plane for WWI. Nicely done corrugations and details, metal bits for engine, interior, & landing gear. The J.1 proto is,... well, typical of the later stuff. the basic outline's there and with work could make a nice display piece. Larry. (delurking on a subject I'm sorta familiar with!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:18:28 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New Workbench Photo Message-ID: <19990816.151832.-245205.3.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:30:40 -0400 (EDT) lfendy@firstsaga.com (Leonard Endy) writes: > I've added Ernest Thomas' workbench photo to the site along with > some > recent photos of my Grandson who recently turned one. They can be > seen > at: www2.firstsaga.com/lfendy/fof_site.htm See, I'm not the only neat one here. Spoon! I'm worried about the Grandson, though. Looks like he's taking eating lessons from Grandpa. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:17:28 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 1/72 details, Wood effects, Brumowski Distribution Message-ID: <19990816.151832.-245205.2.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:51:08 -0400 (EDT) "Nigel Rayner" writes: > So I think Eric's right - there probably isn't enough of a > market > for more 1/72 generic details (although specific detail sets for > Toko kits a > la Part might work.....). But I still think we need instrument faces in 1/72nd. We could "cobble" together from other places, but I think it would be better to have it all in one place. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 21:35:14 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: 1/72 details, Wood effects, Brumowski Distribution Message-ID: <009601bee826$d9b87ba0$2fe8b094@sandyada> >I checked the archive, and there is a reference to the one known pic of >Brumowksi leaning on an HB DI with some form of distribution pattern. What >was this like? Has anybody else already answered this? If not I can recommend the FMP book on the Starstrutter which includes this picture - old Godwin peering at the camera from the leading edge of the lower wing with the camera at trailing edge so you see clearly across the chord of the wing and its marking. The sworls are obviously hand-painted and you can see brush marks. They are a series of "S" and open "O" shapes of fairly uniform size applied irregularly at right angles or parallel to each other. IIRC the other FMP AH books also have the pic although smaller. Maybe someone with a flatbed scanner could let Nigel have a copy? Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:45:47 PDT From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Thief, was Re: Gotha! Message-ID: <19990816204548.47361.qmail@hotmail.com> Eric: First, as you correctly point out, this has nothing to do with so-called sharp business practices. Prices charged, profits etc. are part of the market mechanism and if I don't like the price, it's not a necessity of life and I can do without; we're talking a hobby here. Second, I am not implying that you're making "Idle accusations" but it is important that I cover myself were I to report this to the folks organizing the Region II convention. Of course, there's no absolute right for any vendor to be able to sell at a convention, meeting etc. so in theory, they could simply not permit him to sell. His business also operates at the Northern Virginia IPMS meetings, however, I have never seen him there; he sends his employee, who happens to be an alright fellow, in my opinion. Finally, the sort of behaviour you describe, and the other bizarre stuff I've heard about him and when actually dealing with him, indicates to me that he is in need of "help". This sort of behaviour is not really normal; I mean thieving $20 worth of stuff, and given that he allowed the customer to use a credit card - it's not exactly the mode of operation one would expect from a master criminal. I'm sure that his actions don't engender your sympathy, and this is understandable, but you must admit that this is the sort of activity one would expect from an immature teenager. Still, theft is theft, and others need to be protected. It would help if you could send me a copy of your police report. I also urge you, if possible, to persist with the police report/prosecution. It would help other vendors, and possibly cause Mr. Polistock to go out and get the help he needs. Thanks, Michael P.S. Please could you cc anything you send to my mkendix@juno.com account, because that is what I use when I'm at home. >From: ERIC HIGHT >Reply-To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: Thief, was Re: Gotha! >Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:18:31 -0400 (EDT) > >dear mike, >these are not idle accusations. buzz took decals off my table without my >permission and then sold them to ernie(whom i didn't know untill after this >happened), he collected funds via ernies credit card and put the proceeds >in his pocket. i have a copy of the credit card slip and it is not mine. >i did not get paid for the decals. what he charges for things may be >"criminal"(some people think my prices are "criminal") but that's not the >beef here. i had about 20 vendors come up to me after this happened and >say that he has been stealing off of other vendors tables for years and no >body has been able to catch him. i can't speak to these but he did steal >off my table and sell what he stole, THAT IS A FACT! my warning is to >other vendors that may have the misfortune to be next to him at show. i >personally would like to see him banned for any show. as a vendor working >alone you got to be able to trust the vendor next to you when he/she says >i'll watch your table while your gone. as to ripping off his customers i >have heard nothing on that. i filed a police report. the authorities do >not seem to want to do anything about this petty theft(20.00). i would >warn any one putting on a vending event to beware of this guy. there is >not much else i can do but put out the word. i have the proof and i am >sure ernie will back me up. >eric > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:53:04 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New Workbench Photo Message-ID: <199908162103.OAA05437@mail.rapidnet.net> > On Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:30:40 -0400 (EDT) lfendy@firstsaga.com (Leonard > Endy) writes: > >> I've added Ernest Thomas' workbench photo to the site along with >> some >> recent photos of my Grandson who recently turned one. They can be >> seen >> at: www2.firstsaga.com/lfendy/fof_site.htm > > See, I'm not the only neat one here. Spoon! Matt reveals himself to be a man of fine tastes . . . the Tick Rules !!!!!! Bob PS E, Where did you find the figure of "the Tick"? and lets see that bench when a project is underway ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 21:07:27 GMT From: lfendy@firstsaga.com (Leonard Endy) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New Workbench Photo Message-ID: <37b87cf7.4212020@legend.firstsaga.com> On Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:23:44 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: >I'm worried about the Grandson, though. Looks like he's taking eating >lessons from Grandpa. > Actually Matt, he's less sloppy than I am at times. Len ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 17:27:45 EDT From: BStett3770@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: WWI Aero Magazines - 4 sale Message-ID: <2eb467d3.24e9dc51@aol.com> Hi Gang Just picked up a pile of World War One Are Magazines i'll offer them to the newsgroup before I list em on my web site. #92 , 98 thru 138 - 42 total $150 takes the whole shootin match ( I'll pay the book rate post.) Anyone interested let me know. E-mail me off list - bstett3770@aol.com Keep Modeling Barry Rosemont Hobby www.swiftsite.com/rosemonthobby ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 17:42:16 EDT From: BStett3770@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: WWI Aeros -4 Sale Message-ID: Hi Gang WWI Aeros sold. Keep Modeling Barry Rosemont Hobby wwww.swiftsite.com/rosemonthobby ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 17:48:56 -0400 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Re: A/C hardware question Message-ID: <199908162150.RAA00766@mail5.globalserve.net> I recall a similar topic about six months ago. I did a little research and was suprised to find many SE5s and some Camels with kick plates. Most with the plates seemed to be fresh from the factory and it appears many of the plates were removed in the field. Brad ---------- > From: DAVID BURKE > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: A/C hardware question > Date: Sunday, August 15, 1999 11:25 PM > > Hey Gang, > > As my Albatros D.V (with those cool Jasta 5 markings) progresses with > frightening pace, I have a question that has bugged me for a while, and over > several aircraft. Most (if not all) fighters show various hand and > footholds on the sides of the fuselage for the pilots' entry and exit from > the A/C. How were these accomodated? Some pics seem to show them as holes > in the fuselage, but I would think that they were recessed plates or metal > stampings that kept the interior of the fuselage from being open to the > weather. Did any have a spring-loaded cover plate like one finds on later > A/C (like from another war?)? Mainly my questions apply to the Albatros > D.V, but other types of foot and hand-hold approaches would be good to have > for future reference. > > Thanks > > Dave > > Just Bought: 1/48 Eduard Sopwith Triplane "with Skies". Doesn't say whether > the skies are sunny or overcast though. > > n.p. 'In Like Flint/Our Man Flint' soundtrack. Can't beat James Coburn for > movie fun! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 18:21:18 -0400 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Rhinebeck Reminder Message-ID: <199908162223.SAA04373@mail5.globalserve.net> A while back several of you expressed an interest in a September Rhinebeck visit. I believe Sharon suggested the weekend of September 11-12. I was just curious to see how it's looking for everyone as this is less than a month away. The latest Rhinebeck Newsletter shows the Carl Swanson SPAD VII fully assembled and rigged standing in front of the new "old" hangar. Drool, drool! I for one am tuning up the jalopy and polishing my list button. Brad ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 17:55:33 -0500 From: Tom Solinski To: WW-I List Subject: Torque question Message-ID: <37B896E5.5BBB3E3D@ionet.net> Hi Anyone else given any though as to why the Camel is apparently singled out as to being difficult to control due to the torque due to the rotary engine? And for the folks who can shop at Barnes and Noble they have "Under the Guns of the Red Baron" on sale for $13.95. It gives a face to the numbers we talk about so often too casually. Tom S ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 18:09:16 -0500 From: "richard eaton" To: Subject: Re: Speaking of Junkers... Message-ID: <199908172322.SAA01799@smtp.onr.com> ---------- > From: Matthew E Bittner > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Speaking of Junkers... > Date: Monday, August 16, 1999 3:18 PM > > On Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:08:33 -0400 (EDT) Allan Wright > writes: > > > Oh, I forgot to mention I'm only really interested in 1/72 > > scale..... > > One of us truly enlightened folks! ;-) Ahem! No, it's too easy! Has anyone mentioned the Czech Masters J I? It is the best J I I am aware of on the market and in the correct scale. Resin and a little expensive but a real beauty! On is on my site under later war kits Allen. Regards, Richard ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:10:30 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: RE: Ugliest Plane was: Big Ack....... Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD475A0C@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Glen, > Shane, why ya wanna do this to me :). Actualy, the US OD > shade from this > period does not look like the same shade we all equate with > WW II OD so it > really isn't that far off PC-10. At least I don;t have to > mask off and do > CDL on the undersides ads the photos show the underside and > it's all one color. Okay, so it must be reasonably early in the piece. Mind you, the colour I like to use as a base for PC.10 is interwar US OD, so I wouldn't be pedantic either way, Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:13:01 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Ugliest Plane was: Big Ack....... Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD475A0D@mimhexch.mim.com.au> > -----Original Message----- > From: DAVID BURKE [mailto:dora9@sprynet.com] > Sent: Tuesday, 17 August 1999 1:29 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Ugliest Plane was: Big Ack....... > > > Shane, > > Where can I find a copy of this article? Also, do you > know of a good > match for PC-12 (an FS number or ModelMaster/PollyS/Floquil > equivalent)? > > DB > > > >I have a lengthy article somewhere by Ian Huntley in which > he traces the > >evolution of US OD from PC.10 IIRC in the early post WW1 > period there was > >no difference whatever, and this may well apply to the HP in > question - in > >which case it's PC.10 after all. > > > >Shane > >************************************************************** > >The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential > >and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). > >If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution > >or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are > >requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems > >to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. > >E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. > >************************************************************** > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:13:30 EDT From: DWa7000007@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Help on German tent hangars Message-ID: Greeting friends, Can anybody point me in the direction of a web sit or a book reference that may have the dimensions of a German portable tent hangar? In Ray Rimell's book "The German Army Air Service in W.W.I" page 10/11, photo 11; there's a neat head-on view of such a tent with two ground personnel apparently finishing setting one up. since the average height of a man is. . .what, 5'8"? I cant use the to men to put the tent in scale as a last ditch effort. Any suggestions will be welcome. Thanks a heap! Danny Walden ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:23:47 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Ugliest Plane was: Big Ack....... Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD475A0E@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Dave, I'll try again, this time without pressing the wrong key ! > >I have a lengthy article somewhere by Ian Huntley in which > >he traces the evolution of US OD from PC.10 > Where can I find a copy of this article? It doesn't show explicitly on my database, so I'll have to search through a couple of dozen mags to find the right one. Definitely in SAM,but which issue is a mystery. I'll find it this week, since now *I'm* curious to check the accuracy of my memory > Also, do you > know of a good match for PC-12 (an FS number or > ModelMaster/PollyS/Floquil equivalent)? I wish I did. This is another of those questiosn we toss about from time to time without ever getting a "definitive" answer. The pigment is red iron oxide, so the colour could be any of a wide range of tones - but *which* one? Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:51:36 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Torque question Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD475A10@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Tom, > Anyone else given any though as to why the Camel is apparently singled > out as to being difficult to control due to the torque due to > the rotary engine? Clearly it seems odd given that there were many other rotary powered aircraft. In fact, the Camels problem (and strength) arose form the combination of a relatively powerful rotary with an airframe in which all the heavy items - engine, fuel, guns, ammo, pilot - were closely grouped. The consequence is that the engine torque effect is greater than in an aircraft where this is not the case. Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:58:55 EDT From: Michael Kendix To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: was Windsock 15-4 / Toko etc Message-ID: <19990816.195447.9815.0.mkendix@juno.com> On Mon, 16 Aug 1999 01:44:31 -0400 (EDT) Ernest Thomas writes: > >mmmm... I'm begining to see a pattern here. The TOKO Snipe had >problems >with the LG struts. The Strutter has problems with the cabanes. Now >you're reporting trouble with the struts on the HB D-I. Any other >problems with the struts on any other TOKO kits that anyone knows >about? >E. Yes, I had a problem with the Eduard, 11/72 Sopwith Strutter single seater's cabane "W" struts, but that may have been due to incompetence on my part. It's still a great kit. Michael ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:07:16 EDT From: Ashley9862@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Old Cross and Cockades' for Sale Message-ID: <1eb6a6a8.24ea01b4@aol.com> Hi Guys, I recently purchased an "Almost" complete set of Cross and Cockade from 1960 through 1985. I'm 6 volumes short of a complete set but I have 36 duplicate volumes. If you're interested I would like to possibly trade for the 6 I am missing and am willing to sell the remainder. I was offered $25 per volume by a bookstore on the West Coast but will sell them to list members for $20 apiece and I will pick up the shipping in the US, outside of CONUS I have to have a little help from the buyer. All of these are in great condition!!!! The volumes I need are : Summer 62, 63, 79 Winter 85 Autumn 84, 85 Duplicates I have available are : 62 : Winter 63 : Spring (2 vol. Set), Autumn, Winter 71 : Spring, Winter 72 : Winter 73 : Spring, Summer, Winter 74 Spring 75 Summer, Winter 76 Autumn, Winter 77 Spring, Summer, Autumn 78 Winter 79 Spring 80 Spring 81 Spring, Summer, Winter 82 Spring, Summer, Autumn, Winter (the entire year!!) 83 Summer 84 Spring, Summer 85 Spring (2 available), Summer (2 Available) Contact Candice at GUF9862@aol.com I hope I can complete my set and help some of you to complete your sets as well… ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 17:28:12 -0700 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Torque question Message-ID: <37B8AC9C.180C45AD@mars.ark.com> They were no more closely grouped than on any of the Nieuports (whose grouping it copied) - though there was more mass there (2 guns vs 1 etc). Early Camels had similar power to the late Nieuports so that common effect on control is not a factor. Neither is ground sit as the Nieuports seem to sit at a higher angle. The thrust line in relation to the centres of lift/weight and drag may be the cause - a too small or large metacentric height could account for its dangerous behaviour. FWIW it seems that there is evidence to suggest the Camel killed more British pilots than German... -- Mike Fletcher ___ ., mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; mikef@sparc.nic.bc.ca |--n--""*" icq=19554083 @ Shane Weier wrote: > > Tom, > > > Anyone else given any though as to why the Camel is apparently singled > > out as to being difficult to control due to the torque due to > > the rotary engine? > > Clearly it seems odd given that there were many other rotary powered > aircraft. > > In fact, the Camels problem (and strength) arose form the combination of a > relatively powerful rotary with an airframe in which all the heavy items - > engine, fuel, guns, ammo, pilot - were closely grouped. The consequence is > that the engine torque effect is greater than in an aircraft where this is > not the case. > > Shane ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1780 **********************