WWI Digest 1776 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: "Big Ack" - big aaaaaaack!!! by Albatrosdv@aol.com 2) Re: "Big Ack" - big aaaaaaack!!! by Albatrosdv@aol.com 3) Re: "Big Ack" - Beautiful!!!! by Albatrosdv@aol.com 4) Re: "Big Ack" - big aaaaaaack!!! by "PETER LEONARD" 5) Re: AW FK3 B9607 by philippe.spriesterbach@ping.be (Philippe Spriesterbach) 6) Re: Hawker and Spins by Albatrosdv@aol.com 7) Re: Hawker and Spins by "cameron rile" 8) Re: Hawker and Spins by Tom Solinski 9) Re: "Big Ack" - big aaaaaaack!!! by "Bob Pearson" 10) Re: Growth of the list WAS: New to the list by "Bob Pearson" 11) Re: Subscribe to W.W.I Modelers Mailing List by KarrArt@aol.com 12) me am back by KarrArt@aol.com 13) Re: Nieuport 17 and Spad A.2 by Scottfking@aol.com 14) Re: Growth of the list WAS: New to the list by Zulis@aol.com 15) Re: New to the list by "Tom Werner Hansen" 16) Re: Growth of the list WAS: New to the list by Mike Fletcher 17) Re: Subscribe to W.W.I Modelers Mailing List by "Mike" 18) Re: Growth of the list WAS: New to the list by Albatrosdv@aol.com 19) Re: Nieuport 17 and Spad A.2 by Albatrosdv@aol.com 20) Re: Subscribe to W.W.I Modelers Mailing List by Dennis Ugulano 21) Re: Nieuport 17 and Spad A.2 by Dennis Ugulano 22) Jasta 5 "buzz?" Letters by "Mike" 23) Re: Jasta 5 "buzz?" Letters by "Bob Pearson" 24) Re: Nieuport 17 and Spad A.2 by "Charles and Linda Duckworth" 25) Re: Jasta 5 "buzz?" Letters by "Mike" 26) Re: Jasta 5 "buzz?" Letters by "PETER LEONARD" 27) Windhoffs by John & Allison Cyganowski 28) Re: Jasta 5 "buzz?" Letters by "Mike" 29) Boeing. WAS Re: Growth of the list WAS: New to the list by Pedro e Francisca Soares 30) Re: Nieuport 17 and Spad A.2 by Matthew E Bittner 31) Re: "Big Ack" - Beautiful!!!! by ERIC HIGHT 32) Re: "Big Ack" - Beautiful!!!! by "PETER LEONARD" 33) Sopwith Camel by David & Carol Fletcher 34) Discovering the obvious by smperry@mindspring.com 35) Re: Sopwith Camel by BStett3770@aol.com 36) Re: Sopwith Camel by "PETER LEONARD" 37) Re: Subscribe to W.W.I Modelers Mailing List by DWa7000007@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 12:49:14 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: "Big Ack" - big aaaaaaack!!! Message-ID: They may have been lucky as you say, but that thing is still oooooooogly. Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 12:51:59 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: "Big Ack" - big aaaaaaack!!! Message-ID: In a message dated 99-08-14 05:56:46 EDT, you write: << think you meant Blackburn Blackburn or Avro Bison >> Yes, exactly. Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 12:59:02 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: "Big Ack" - Beautiful!!!! Message-ID: <38214507.24e6fa56@aol.com> In a message dated 99-08-14 11:41:58 EDT, you write: << andy, is chris gannon blue max? thanks eric >> Eric: Chris Gannon is indeed the Blue Max. (He'll make you curse till you're Blue at Maximum volume, with occasional praises) Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 10:00:42 PDT From: "PETER LEONARD" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: "Big Ack" - big aaaaaaack!!! Message-ID: <19990814170043.4949.qmail@hotmail.com> Not wishing to start an "Uggliest aeroplane of WW1" competition but; any of the late war Lorrain powered MoS two seaters would win hands down Peter Leonard IPMS UK Lancashire & Cheshire Branch http://www.storks.cwc.net http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com PeterL@cwcom.net ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 17:02:23 GMT From: philippe.spriesterbach@ping.be (Philippe Spriesterbach) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: AW FK3 B9607 Message-ID: <37b59fdf.36898329@relay.ping.be> On Sat, 14 Aug 1999 03:13:40 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: >British Aircraft and Serials 1912-1969 - can't recall the author, but it >appeared in several reprints with different ending dates. >It is a small format book about 1" thick. >very useful but not as thorough as some sources - the serials books from >Air-Britian are more substantial, but this was cheaper and available. British Military Aircraft Serials 1912-1966, writed by Bruce Robertson, published by Ian Allan in 1964 for the first time. Regards -- Philippe Spriesterbach One of the (numerous) Mad Scratchbuilders http://www.ping.be/phillipe_models/ philippe.spriesterbach@ping.be IPMS Belgium Member #F015 IPMS Brussels Secretary ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 13:04:08 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Hawker and Spins Message-ID: <17d5a60a.24e6fb88@aol.com> In a message dated 99-08-14 12:49:03 EDT, you write: << Sorry for the length, but I think it may interest some of the listees. As far as I know this was the first witnessed and recorded recovery from a spin in England. >> Too bad the FAA today doesn't still require pilots to do the real thing during training, since all of what is required to survive is counter-intuitive, and no matter how many times people tell you how to do something - especially when that something will occur in a "scary" situation - you will not remember what was said and will die. Back in the Jurassic, when I got my pilot's license, we still had to take that old straight-tail 150 with the cageable gyros up and do five of the things to qualify for solo flight. Had a certain well-known young pilot had to do that, perhaps there might not have been the tragedy that happened last month. Probably not on-topic, but one of my favorite airplane rants is the brain-dead stupidity of the FAA. Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 13:04:59 -0300 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Hawker and Spins Message-ID: <199908141001266@cameron.prontomail.com> >I don't know who first put an aircraft into a spin deliberately, >but on Sunday 25th August 1912 during the Military Aircraft >Competition Lieut. Parke RN went into a spin whilst returning >from the 3 hour qualifying flight. He was flying the Avro >Military Biplane, now known as the Type F. Interesting account, I wonder how well documented in text or word of mouth such aerodynamic behaviour was amongst the pilots and plane makers. I guess a stall is pretty reproducable, so anyone wishing to try the behaviour can replicate it with ease. Be interesting to know when "Recovering from Stalls" was introduced as part of the military flying training curriculum too. Hawker was in England between 1911 and 1913 and for part of that was Sopwiths test Pilot. He brought a Tabloid out to Australia to. Once again not sure of dates. cam ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail and Homepage at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 12:26:26 -0500 From: Tom Solinski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Hawker and Spins Message-ID: <37B5A6C2.D3566814@ionet.net> > Probably not on-topic, but one of my favorite airplane rants is the brain-dead > stupidity of the FAA. Actually Tom it's the other end of the FAA that's dead. When it's blocked up, as the old joke goes, the rest of us in the FAA, the ones with active pro flying brains can't function. Tom S FAA Aviation Safety Inspector By the way the same AH's have a new FAA logo Hi, we're the FAA. We're not happy till you're not happy. By the by do you know how confusing it was to an eight grader to try to figure out what the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) had to do with W.W.II and British aircraft carriers? AVRO, Fokker, Hansa-Brandenburg, there back OT tom S ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 11:28:24 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: "Big Ack" - big aaaaaaack!!! Message-ID: <199908141848.LAA13753@mail.rapidnet.net> Steve asks . . . > Who also wants a quarter scale Big Ack and would love to hear more of the > battle between Big Acks & Fukkers Sandy mentioned in another post. Blatant self-plug. ..... get the FMP VC book by Alex Revell (illustrated by .. well we all know who). It has a bio of McLeod as well as a profile of his FK8 in his VC action. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 11:38:46 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Growth of the list WAS: New to the list Message-ID: <199908141848.LAA13756@mail.rapidnet.net> >> Boeing, Curtiss, Hawker.... >> >> There. Almost on-topic, yet totally off. :-) >> > > Hawker,Harry, WW1 Australian aircraft designer and test pilot. > > Nope, nothing off topic about that. Must be talking about the other two Curtiss, Glenn, US pilot and aircraft designer of Jenny, Canuck, H-boats .. which lead to .. . FELIXSTOWES Which gets us to just one off-topic designer Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 14:55:38 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Subscribe to W.W.I Modelers Mailing List Message-ID: In a message dated 8/13/99 10:31:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time, DWa7000007@aol.com writes: << I would Like to Subscribe to W.W.I Modelers Mailing List. From: Danny Walden I hope this one dose it:) >> I think it worked! Welcome...to you and to all others who've joined while I've been away the last couple of weeks in the scorching hot Northern Wilds of west Sweden. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 14:55:49 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: me am back Message-ID: <1eae40cd.24e715b5@aol.com> Greetings and great grunting, jet lagged howdys to all! I'm back from the wilderness of western Sweden (over Scotland both ways- I said a quiet "Howdy" to ye Sandy!). A three hour delay getting away from LosAngeles caused us to miss our Gothenburg connection in Amsterdam. Oh boy- it's SO much fun hanging around a big international airport all damn day! Unfortunately, the trip was all work and no play. Not one single tourist activety. None. No flygvapen museum this time. The only remotely interesting airplane was seen at a small airport along the E20 Thursday morning on our drive into Gothenburg to return. It was an Antonov- I forget the number- you all know the one- it's the big biplane that takes off in about 2' 3 1/2" of runway. This monster was painted bright red, blue, yellow, green, and a few other colors I haven't the skills to describe. Too bad we were scurrying to the airport. Anyway- here I am! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 14:59:34 EDT From: Scottfking@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Nieuport 17 and Spad A.2 Message-ID: <8e764821.24e71696@aol.com> In a message dated 8/13/99 11:04:55 AM EST, lance.krieg@AMERUS.COM writes: << Now for another question: I was looking through my books last night and came across a photo of a SPAD A.2. Does anyone know of a kit of this aircraft (1/48 or 1/72)? >> Once upon a time Rosemont kitted a vac form in 1/72. I think it is oop. Skippy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 15:00:19 EDT From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Growth of the list WAS: New to the list Message-ID: In a message dated 99-08-14 14:41:29 EDT, you write: << >> Boeing, Curtiss, Hawker.... >> >> There. Almost on-topic, yet totally off. :-) >> > Hawker,Harry, WW1 Australian aircraft designer and test pilot. Nope, nothing off topic about that. Must be talking about the other two>> Curtiss, Glenn, US pilot and aircraft designer of Jenny, Canuck, H-boats .. which lead to .. . FELIXSTOWES Which gets us to just one off-topic designer >> Boeing? The sound of a very tightly rigged FE2b bouncing off a treetop? hey... whaddaya want... you left ME the tough one... :-) DZ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 20:01:31 +0200 From: "Tom Werner Hansen" To: Subject: Re: New to the list Message-ID: <199908141903.VAA06201@golf.dax.net> Dave That's about my poison right now too. What are you going to do about it? So far I have made a new set of resin wings, cut the fuselage apart to correct it, but I'm stuck at the stage where I build the interior. I lost one half of the tailplane so I'll have to make those out of plasticard as well. Tom W ---------- > From: Dave Berry > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: New to the list > Date: 14. august 1999 01:27 > > Thanks, Im looking forwardd to getting back into the hobby. > > My personal poison right now is correcting the Airfix 1/72 RE8 > > -- See you and raise you.. :o) > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 12:33:54 -0700 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Growth of the list WAS: New to the list Message-ID: <37B5C4A2.FCA93724@mars.ark.com> didn't Boeing make its start during ww1? -- Mike Fletcher ___ ., mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; mikef@sparc.nic.bc.ca |--n--""*" icq=19554083 @ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 12:32:04 -0700 From: "Mike" To: Subject: Re: Subscribe to W.W.I Modelers Mailing List Message-ID: <003201bee68b$b118fcc0$518c3ace@default> Welcome, Danny my friend, I told you this would be a great experience!! Just wait till your email list fills with information on aircraft you are building (STAR STRUTTER - get the hint guys....) Still have the giant (1/28) fokkers in the queue.... Glad to have you aboard. Another new member score for the "Red Modelairplanebuilder" Mike Dicianna "Der Rote Modellflugzeugbauer" > << I would Like to Subscribe to W.W.I Modelers Mailing List. From: Danny > Walden > > I hope this one dose it:) > >> > > I think it worked! > Welcome...to you and to all others who've joined while I've been away the > last couple of weeks in the scorching hot Northern Wilds of west Sweden. > Robert K. > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 15:49:58 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Growth of the list WAS: New to the list Message-ID: In a message dated 99-08-14 14:41:29 EDT, you write: << Which gets us to just one off-topic designer Bob >> The very first Boeing, the H-1, was ordered as part of the WW1 expansion program, tho it didn't fly till 1919. Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 15:52:21 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Nieuport 17 and Spad A.2 Message-ID: <2eab613f.24e722f5@aol.com> In a message dated 99-08-14 15:02:21 EDT, you write: << < Now for another question: I was looking through my books last night and came across a photo of a SPAD A.2. Does anyone know of a kit of this aircraft (1/48 or 1/72)? >> Sierra Scale did a 1/48 vacuform, and I seem to recall someone else is about to do one - oh, right, Spin Models, in resin. Based on their SVA5 and M1C it should be good. Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 16:03:03 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Subscribe to W.W.I Modelers Mailing List Message-ID: <199908141603_MC2-8104-9AB7@compuserve.com> Danny, Welcome to one of the craziest group of people you are going to meet in one place. I know, I fit right in. I've been here only 6 months and have never been the same since. Ok, Mike, I'll bite. Danny, are you building a Starstrutter? If you are, which one? How far along are you? There. If you are building one that should get you started. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://members.xoom.com/Uggies/DJU.HTM Page Revised 8/16/99 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 16:03:02 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Nieuport 17 and Spad A.2 Message-ID: <199908141603_MC2-8104-9AB6@compuserve.com> Lance, >> Once upon a time Rosemont kitted a vac form in 1/72. I think it is oop. << But I'm sure if you talk nice to Barry he will go into the back room, bring the mold out again and run off a bunch. It has been a while and it is a nice kit even though I haven't built it yet. But I do want it to be one of first 100. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://members.xoom.com/Uggies/DJU.HTM Page Revised 8/16/99 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 13:29:16 -0700 From: "Mike" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: Jasta 5 "buzz?" Letters Message-ID: <002101bee693$aea54400$698c3ace@default> Have not got any good refences on the type and color of the personal pilot's initials on the lower wings of some of the Jasta 5 aircraft. I'm presently building Von Hippel's Dragon marked DV for a WWI Gamer friend and would like to add this to the kit (naturally, the old Microscale Decals sheet does not mention/include them) I've seen some references, but cant remember if they are a Black "H" or a White "H".... Mike Dicianna "Der Rote Modellflugzeugbauer" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 13:46:11 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Jasta 5 "buzz?" Letters Message-ID: <199908142055.NAA16679@mail.rapidnet.net> Actually that was Oblt Richard Flashar's old a/c and was marked with a black 'F' under the wing. vH's was 'Blitz' the lightning bolt marked a/c. . this had the 'H' under the wing. Bob ---------- >From: "Mike" >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Jasta 5 "buzz?" Letters >Date: Sat, Aug 14, 1999, 1:30 PM > > Have not got any good refences on the type and color of the personal pilot's > initials on the lower wings of > some of the Jasta 5 aircraft. I'm presently building Von Hippel's Dragon > marked DV for a WWI Gamer > friend and would like to add this to the kit (naturally, the old Microscale > Decals sheet does not mention/include them) I've seen some references, > but cant remember if they are a Black "H" or a White "H".... > > > Mike Dicianna > "Der Rote Modellflugzeugbauer" > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 16:05:10 -0500 From: "Charles and Linda Duckworth" To: Subject: Re: Nieuport 17 and Spad A.2 Message-ID: <005d01bee698$b3fbe580$8d9259d8@q1p5x0> ><< < Now for another question: I was looking through my books last night and > came across a photo of a SPAD A.2. Does anyone know of a kit of this >aircraft > (1/48 or 1/72)? >> > Sierra's SPAD is an A.4 (I have one 1/2 complete) and it's in 1/48th. I can't imagine building one in 1/72 - did see Rosemont's built up at Rosemont Hobbies many years ago - beautiful job did anyone on the list build it? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 14:05:55 -0700 From: "Mike" To: Subject: Re: Jasta 5 "buzz?" Letters Message-ID: <002801bee698$cd9ba660$698c3ace@default> ----- Original Message ----- > Actually that was Oblt Richard Flashar's old a/c and was marked with a black > 'F' under the wing. vH's was 'Blitz' the lightning bolt marked a/c. . this > had the 'H' under the wing. > > Bob > > Thanks Bob, I knew I could count on your storehouse of knowlege..... Do I remember seeing something about Von Hipple flying this aircraft and crashing it on it's top? I used to have a wonderful photo of the aircraft and the crashed one on my hard drive before the great "crash" of 99.... Are there any good books out there specifically dedicated to Jasta 5? mike ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 14:18:23 PDT From: "PETER LEONARD" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Jasta 5 "buzz?" Letters Message-ID: <19990814211824.8457.qmail@hotmail.com> I'm sure I read somewhere.. (I shall have that on my tombstone)..that Albatros were to publish a Jasta 5 fabric special this year. If I'm right Glen Merril had some input and you could do worse than buy his Jasta 5 decals as a ref. I have a copy of a 1973 SMI which includes an article on them with a whole bunch of side views (b&w) if you're desperate Peter Leonard IPMS UK Lancashire & Cheshire Branch http://www.storks.cwc.net http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com PeterL@cwcom.net >From: "Mike" >Reply-To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: Jasta 5 "buzz?" Letters >Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 17:05:11 -0400 (EDT) > >----- Original Message ----- > > > Actually that was Oblt Richard Flashar's old a/c and was marked with a >black > > 'F' under the wing. vH's was 'Blitz' the lightning bolt marked a/c. . >this > > had the 'H' under the wing. > > > > Bob > > > > Thanks Bob, I knew I could count on your storehouse of knowlege..... > >Do I remember seeing something about Von Hipple flying this aircraft and >crashing it on it's top? >I used to have a wonderful photo of the aircraft and the crashed one on my >hard drive before the >great "crash" of 99.... > >Are there any good books out there specifically dedicated to Jasta 5? > >mike > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 19:08:51 -0400 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Windhoffs Message-ID: <37B5F703.61F1@worldnet.att.net> dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar wrote; However, I wonder: How these radiators were done? It was mesh or the whole contraption permitted the flow of air longitudinally to allow cooling? I've never seen the real thing or one of Cyg's fine castings, and therefore I don't know how he dealt with this (as a matter of fact, Cyg, you MUST do an Alb DII resin conversion set in 1/72 too). Sorry for the long speech. D. So many subjects..so little time. Scott carved the Windhoffs from solid stock. We used photoetch as you suggest. As for a 1/72 version? Not in the plans for now. We have our hands full, sorry. Regards, Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 16:56:54 -0700 From: "Mike" To: Subject: Re: Jasta 5 "buzz?" Letters Message-ID: <002401bee6b0$b0f60ba0$558c3ace@default> > I'm sure I read somewhere.. (I shall have that on my tombstone)..that > Albatros were to publish a Jasta 5 fabric special this year. If I'm right > Glen Merril had some input and you could do worse than buy his Jasta 5 > decals as a ref. I have a copy of a 1973 SMI which includes an article on > them with a whole bunch of side views (b&w) if you're desperate > > Peter Leonard What a wonderful book this would be. I love my copy of Richthofen's Flying Circus. This would start a whole new shelf of kits being piled up for future projects.....oh my! BTW....many thanks to Steve Perry for restoring my pictures of the Dragon Albatros! Isn't life great.... Mike Dicianna "Der Rote Modellflugzeugbauer" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 01:25:58 +0100 From: Pedro e Francisca Soares To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Boeing. WAS Re: Growth of the list WAS: New to the list Message-ID: <37B60916.1ABB8603@mail.telepac.pt> Albatrosdv@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 99-08-14 14:41:29 EDT, you write: > > << Which gets us to just one off-topic designer > > Bob >> > > The very first Boeing, the H-1, was ordered as part of the WW1 expansion > program, tho it didn't fly till 1919. > > Tom C Tom, Quoting from "The Boeing Logbook 1916-1991": 1916 - William Boeing and his friend Conrad Westervelt, U.S. Navy, design their first seaplane and name it the B&W after their initials. Westervelt is posted East before the plane is built, but Boeing pursues the business to the Heat Shipyards on the Duwamish River South of Seattle, Washington. By the end of the year, the Company's second product, a Navy trainer called the Model C, has made its first flight. 1917 - The US enters the European war and 2 more Model C trainers are built and shipped in crates to the navy Air Base in Pensacola, Florida, for testing. Despite waves and winds models C-5 and C-6 make an excellent impression. The Navy orders 50 trainers and the company's name is changed to the Boeing Airplane Company. (Note. these were delivered between April and November 1918). There you have it, I guess, Hawker, Curtiss and Boeing are all now on topic :-) Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 17:13:08 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Nieuport 17 and Spad A.2 Message-ID: <19990814.193513.-131957.2.mbittner@juno.com> On Sat, 14 Aug 1999 16:05:37 -0400 (EDT) Dennis Ugulano writes: > But I'm sure if you talk nice to Barry he will go into the > back > room, bring the mold out again and run off a bunch. It has been a > while > and it is a nice kit even though I haven't built it yet. But I do > want it > to be one of first 100. I agree. For those who haven't seen his new treatment with his LePrere Lusac, he cast the tail plane and all smallish and detail parts (cockpit, struts, etc) in resin. Most excellent! Plus there's this Nieuport 12 he did in vac as well that needs to be re-released with new resin bits... :-) Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 18:07:57 -0700 From: ERIC HIGHT To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: "Big Ack" - Beautiful!!!! Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990814180757.006ad9b0@pop.amug.org> sandy and peter, looks like we will be doing a big ack next year. this should follow the mos ai which is due this fall. eric ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 18:19:05 PDT From: "PETER LEONARD" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: "Big Ack" - Beautiful!!!! Message-ID: <19990815011906.5746.qmail@hotmail.com> Eric, looks like I can scrap my A1 masters then :-) What chance a Tommy? Peter ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 17:15:49 -0700 From: David & Carol Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Sopwith Camel Message-ID: <37B606B5.5026@mars.ark.com> For those who like their PC-10 in large doses, Trade-a-Plane is listing an "original flyable Sopwith Camel built by Sopwith in 1917" and "Priced in the high six figures". The serial number in the photograph is "B6291". It's a little out of my league, but maybe someone on this list has won a lottery... The telephone number is in California - if anyone really needs it, let me know. Take that, Ebay! Dave Fletcher ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 21:37:52 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: Discovering the obvious Message-ID: <004b01bee6be$cae60700$9b2845cf@default> I was sanding some small flat parts smooth by rubbing them around on a piece of sandpaper attached to a flat surface. As we all know this procedure leads to tender, nearly sanded through spots on the fingertips. Parts are too small to hold with a wad of tape. A sanding stick. Doh! I used a sanding stick to press the work flat to the sandpaper taped to the flat surface as I worked it around. Perfect control and no sanded fingertips. These parts were LG vees out of wood. Small plastic parts can be covered with a single layer of tape to protect the surface from scratches and give the sanding stick a grip. My apologies if someone has thought this up and shared it before. sp E-mail smperry@mindspring.com Web Site http://smperry.home.mindspring.com/PWWIP.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 21:40:45 EDT From: BStett3770@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Sopwith Camel Message-ID: Hi Dave Per the Camel file : B6291 Clerget b powered - built 21.9.17 Spun in Eastborne 7.8.18 , Struck off charge 16.8.18. So I think this has the wrong number on it. or it was made up from parts- Gotta go out and buy those lottery tickets :-) Keep modeling Barry Rosemont Hobby www.swiftsite.com/rosemonthobby ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 19:01:14 PDT From: "PETER LEONARD" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Sopwith Camel Message-ID: <19990815020115.12345.qmail@hotmail.com> <> Dave, I think you'll fid that's the price ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 22:34:42 EDT From: DWa7000007@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Subscribe to W.W.I Modelers Mailing List Message-ID: Howdy everyone, Thank you all for the warm welcome, and most of all I got to thank Chris Banyai for helping me find my way here. . . Thanks Chris! As for the star-strutter, I'm not working on that one at the moment (although I do have one in 1/48 by Eduard put back) I'm about to start on a few 1/28 scale dioramas depicting life around a typical German and British airfield. It will be interesting researching the German portable tent hanger. But spit the scale they will be relatively small dioramas. I'll be sure to keep you all posted on the progress. Any advice welcome. Sincerely: Danny Walden ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1776 **********************