WWI Digest 1775 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: CSM plea - 72 scale detail sales. by Shane Weier 2) RE: CSM plea - 72 scale detail sales. by ERIC HIGHT 3) RE: Web page update by "John C Glaser" 4) RE: Web page update by "PETER LEONARD" 5) Re: "Big Ack" - big aaaaaaack!!! by Albatrosdv@aol.com 6) Re: Growth of the list WAS: New to the list by Albatrosdv@aol.com 7) RE: Web page update by Dennis Ugulano 8) RE: Web page update by "PETER LEONARD" 9) W.W.I Modelers Mailing List by DWa7000007@aol.com 10) Subscribe to W.W.I Modelers Mailing List by DWa7000007@aol.com 11) Losing my religion by "d mather" 12) Re: Nieuport 27 parts manual and plans by "Marshall J. Curtis" 13) Re: Nieuport 12 WAS Gotha! by Mike Fletcher 14) Re: AW FK3 B9607 by Mike Fletcher 15) Re: Easy Cabane Struts was RE: was Windsock 15-4 / Toko etc by Dave Berry 16) Re: Growth of the list WAS: New to the list by Dave Berry 17) Re: "Big Ack" - big aaaaaaack!!! by "Sandy Adam" 18) Re: "Big Ack" - big aaaaaaack!!! by "Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton" 19) web shots by lfendy@firstsaga.com (Leonard Endy) 20) Re: "Big Ack" - big aaaaaaack!!! by smperry@mindspring.com 21) Re: Losing my religion by Dennis Ugulano 22) OT: German (spiked) helmets by "Kitsch design" 23) Re: Losing my religion by "Charles and Linda Duckworth" 24) RE: Growth of the list WAS: New to the list by Shane Weier 25) RE: Web page update by Shane Weier 26) RE: Web page update by Dennis Ugulano 27) RE: Web page update by Dennis Ugulano 28) Hawker and Spins was (RE: Growth of the list WAS: New to the list by "cameron rile" 29) Re: "Big Ack" - Beautiful!!!! by "Sandy Adam" 30) Re: "Big Ack" - Beautiful!!!! by ERIC HIGHT 31) Jenny OX-5 Engine by BEN8800@aol.com 32) Re: Hawker and Spins by "Len Smith" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 12:26:31 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: CSM plea - 72 scale detail sales. Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD4759FB@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Dave, > I'm jumping in halfway through the thread here but Fotocut > used to have (about > 5 years ago) an amazing 1/72 WWI set. Almost everything you > could imagine for > German, British and French acft. > > I don't know if they're still around, but if you you get your > hands on a sheet it'll get you through a few projects.. This sheet was "mastered" by Harry Woodman for his own use, and later marketed by Fotocut. It was almost certainly the first example of a commercial etched brass detail set applicable to model aircraft. This was described by St Harry in Scale Models as far back as early 80's IIRC Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 19:42:27 -0700 From: ERIC HIGHT To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: CSM plea - 72 scale detail sales. Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990813194227.006bad4c@pop.amug.org> tom, re: big ack i just went through the latest sami and no blue max or peagus ads. please check again as if they are doing one i won't. i don't care if it's but ugly if it sell. a dolphin doesn't exactly take any buety contests in my book but the sell! eric lance, i think so. the 1.5 strutter has sold very well so far. i moved 25 in the first week. eric brad, be nice to me and i will sell the decals for the dolphin seperatly for 4.00 plus s& h. there are two different markings on the sheet. as to the other requests i wouldn't rule them out somewhere down the line. eric peter, i think you asked about a mos ai? we should have ours out by late fall of 99. eric ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 22:28:45 -0500 From: "John C Glaser" To: Subject: RE: Web page update Message-ID: An unmistakable sign of a man with to much time on his hands....... - JCG -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of Dennis Ugulano Sent: Friday, August 13, 1999 8:49 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Web page update Everyone, Just want to let you know that the web site has been moved and updated. The new address is: http://members.xoom.com/Uggies/DJU.HTM The address is also listed below. The address is case sensitive. It is quite large and the next step will be to made individual pages. Construction never stops, does it? Only two different models are on the site. The Strutter and the one listed under OTHER STUFF. Tech Support made me add that one. Honest. Also, Dave # 14 (I think) welcome to the group. You will not be the same after you are here for a short period of time. I speak from experience. Only 6 months ago I was an innocent WW1 model builder. Couldn't even spell web site and now I have one. I have relapses into AMS (Advanced Modellers Syndrome) now on a regular basis. But as you have already seen, ask a question and answer arrive in droves. You will enjoy it here. Well, enjoy yourself here. I'm going to go hide because I know I'm really in a lot of trouble. But in my defense, its kinda on topic. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://members.xoom.com/Uggies/DJU.HTM Page Revised 8/16/99 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 20:56:22 PDT From: "PETER LEONARD" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Web page update Message-ID: <19990814035623.99935.qmail@hotmail.com> Jings Dennis! Now I have to update my links page. And another thing, what's a MiG 15? Peter Leonard IPMS UK Lancashire & Cheshire Branch http://www.storks.cwc.net http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com PeterL@cwcom.net ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 00:17:54 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: "Big Ack" - big aaaaaaack!!! Message-ID: <7bab9ed4.24e647f2@aol.com> In a message dated 99-08-13 21:09:11 EDT, you write: << Tom, you sure that's not Pegasus? Wouldn't want anyone getting overexcited at the prospect of a 1/48 big Ack with wing ripple ;¬) >> It was a Pegasus/Blue Max ad, so you are likely right. Thank god it's in itsy-bitsy scale, that way it would only turn a brontosaurus cross-eyed. :-) Tom ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 00:22:31 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Growth of the list WAS: New to the list Message-ID: <17d28a68.24e64907@aol.com> In a message dated 99-08-13 22:26:15 EDT, you write: << It comes.... it goes.... it comes.... it goes.... you get the idea.... Gotta love this list.... >> Boeing, Curtiss, Hawker.... There. Almost on-topic, yet totally off. :-) Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 00:34:35 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: RE: Web page update Message-ID: <199908140034_MC2-80F3-87E0@compuserve.com> Peter, It's not a MIG 15, it's a MIG 1 point 5. It's the very early model of the 15. :-) Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://members.xoom.com/Uggies/DJU.HTM Page Revised 8/16/99 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 21:46:45 PDT From: "PETER LEONARD" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Web page update Message-ID: <19990814044704.92241.qmail@hotmail.com> Dennis, now I've had a proper look there's only one thing to say. You shouldn't use polystyrene cement in an unventelated area ;¬) Peter Leonard IPMS UK Lancashire & Cheshire Branch http://www.storks.cwc.net http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com PeterL@cwcom.net ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 01:19:27 EDT From: DWa7000007@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: W.W.I Modelers Mailing List Message-ID: <3dddc2f2.24e6565f@aol.com> Danny Walden ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 01:28:41 EDT From: DWa7000007@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Subscribe to W.W.I Modelers Mailing List Message-ID: I would Like to Subscribe to W.W.I Modelers Mailing List. From: Danny Walden I hope this one dose it:) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 23:16:27 PDT From: "d mather" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Losing my religion Message-ID: <19990814061627.5138.qmail@hotmail.com> Hi Listee's I have just over a week till the Austin model show, and for the first time ever - wanted to leave the closet - and present a Fokker tripe... Anyway, that DML nstructions can be so vague. I glued the midwing on, allowed to dry, and got ready to attach the top wing. Suddenly I realized that you were suppose to bend some tabs on the inner stuts, and glue between the fuselage and mid wing. yeow!! Blew that one! got the setup apart, attached the midwing, and began to attempt the top wing again... Oh no, the tabs on the tops of the struts had to be bent just so to slip into the holes in the bottom of the top wing. Well, the wing got some glue smears in the process, so, no Fokker to show. I was so dissapointed, I nearly decided to return to 'that other war' were the canopy is the main grip... I had begun the Eduard Alb D.III, as MvR's plane, and it looks as tho I may be able to finish (if luck holds, and I get some quality modeling time!) Question... Does anyone that builds the vac kits have a good suggestion on getting a good thin trailing edge, nice, smooth? thanks, doug _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 23:27:53 -0700 From: "Marshall J. Curtis" To: Subject: Re: Nieuport 27 parts manual and plans Message-ID: <006801bee61e$2502cb20$0164a8c0@curtisassoc.com> Sounds interesting... Can you tell those of us who are new a little bit more about what you're offering and where and how much ($) to send if were interested?? --Marshall ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, August 12, 1999 5:00 PM Subject: Nieuport 27 parts manual and plans >Well, MOST of the people who ordered this set from me have sent a check. >Thanks. How about if some of you who got this little package talk it up and >let the others know what a deal it is, so maybe, some others will order a set >from me and I can buy mama-san some new shoes. I would like to know what you >all think of the Hardesty plans set. Personally, I think they are the best >ever, but that's junt one fellows opinion. > >Mike > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 00:10:10 -0700 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Nieuport 12 WAS Gotha! Message-ID: <37B51652.E8BF39FC@mars.ark.com> The normal average everyday ww1 cowling was round (with a single radii). Sometimes the bottom was removed as per the Nieuport 11/16 or the Fokker EIII. For the 10 and 12, there are three, for both sides and the top. Where the segments meet there is a soft bend. If you were to lay a circle template over the picture at http://mars.ark.com/~mdf/N81_Nose.jpg it should become clearer. I haven't checked the drawings dimensions against published sources or the measurements I made of the 12 in NAM or the 81 at Old Rhinebeck. -- Mike Fletcher ___ ., mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; mikef@sparc.nic.bc.ca |--n--""*" icq=19554083 @ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 00:17:21 -0700 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: AW FK3 B9607 Message-ID: <37B51801.9207005A@mars.ark.com> British Aircraft and Serials 1912-1969 - can't recall the author, but it appeared in several reprints with different ending dates. It is a small format book about 1" thick. very useful but not as thorough as some sources - the serials books from Air-Britian are more substantial, but this was cheaper and available. -- Mike Fletcher ___ ., mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; mikef@sparc.nic.bc.ca |--n--""*" icq=19554083 @ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 04:32:52 -0400 From: Dave Berry To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Easy Cabane Struts was RE: was Windsock 15-4 / Toko etc Message-ID: <37B529B3.EC13BC4E@total.net> Yep, the Monogram kit virtually fell together. I felt like I was building a oneothingie (yes I did build a oneothingie as a vacation build once, with Cooper details an' everything it's prettier than my bif for a 10th of the time). I must like the bipes 'cause they hurt so much.... Dave Berry Dennis Ugulano wrote: > Chris, > > >> But the one that is by far the best has to > be the Monogram F4B-4. << > > All three of the Monogram biplanes had that system and they were > great. I agree if the cabanes were attached it would be a dream to build. > > I'm presently working on the TOKO Hansa Brandenberg D.I and the > cabanes are going to be a monster. In fact, they don't even provide or > show the rear cabanes. And that Star strut system is going to be very > interesting. The wings have holes for locating pins but there are no pins > on the struts. I also have a new system for wood grain that may prove to > be interesting. Will get on site as soon as possible. > > Dennis Ugulano > email: Uggies@compuserve.com > http://members.xoom.com/Uggies/DJU.HTM > Page Revised 8/16/99 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 04:40:08 -0400 From: Dave Berry To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Growth of the list WAS: New to the list Message-ID: <37B52B68.5E279BCA@total.net> Shane Weier wrote: > Mike, in welcoming Dave #34, says: > Hey, I'm not sure I like being numbered. Can I pick my number. I like the sound of Dave B52. I know it's the 'other war' but, heck, it's a drink too... Dave Berry Hereinafter adopting the moniker Dave B 52 (that is if I remember all this in the morning :^) ) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 10:04:12 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: "Big Ack" - big aaaaaaack!!! Message-ID: <004201bee634$11d963e0$13e8b094@sandyada> You're a fine fellow Tom, but obviously cross-eyed! The Big Ack is a beautiful aeroplane! One of my all-time favourites. Classic lines with enough personality from its daft smoke-stack to remain memorable. Also one of the most successful 2-seaters - reliable and tough, well-liked by its crews and the mount of two famous VC-winning encounters. McLeod's 2 Sqdn fight against all the Fukker Triplanes remains one of the great aerial battles of all time - the pilot standing on the wing and reaching into the blazing cockpit to steer while the gunner lay along the top fuselage decking shooting at swarms of the bastards! Kilduff actually managed to find some sort of praise for the goons in this encounter - I only see two incredibly brave and (temporarily) lucky allied airmen. The Pegasus kit has been out for some time now - I tackled Chris Gannon about doing a 1/48 one after its release last year but he said that he had no intention unfortunately. It will be a failry easy scratchbuild though - so, one day..... Sandy -----Original Message----- From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Date: 14 August 1999 01:31 Subject: "Big Ack" - big aaaaaaack!!! >thumbing through the new SAMI, I came on a Blue Max ad that shows their next >kit is the AW FK8 "Big Ack." > >I have now seen the hands-down-no-competition *ugliest* Brit airplane of WW1. > I mean, this thing is sooooooo butt-ugly, it even ranks up there with the >Ugliest Airplane Ever Made: the Blackburn Bison - which is proof that it took >the Brits a long time to agree that the laws of aerodynamics applied on the >left side of the Channel. > >Wheeee-ewwwwww! > >I know how this thing got away from the enemy - it turned around and let them >get a good look. They lost control and went into a spin as they were >throwing up. > >Tom C > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 07:28:03 +0100 From: "Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton" To: Subject: Re: "Big Ack" - big aaaaaaack!!! Message-ID: <000201bee63b$52e2b240$60fca8c2@pc0973> > >I have now seen the hands-down-no-competition *ugliest* Brit airplane of WW1. > I mean, this thing is sooooooo butt-ugly, it even ranks up there with the >Ugliest Airplane Ever Made: the Blackburn Bison - which is proof that it took >the Brits a long time to agree that the laws of aerodynamics applied on the >left side of the Channel. > I think you meant Blackburn Blackburn or Avro Bison - it wasn't so much that the laws of aerodynamics weren't understood, but that the RN didn't think that they were subject to them. Besides you had to have somewhere to put the bosun's stores and the chain locker. Much more nearly OT is that absolute champion of ugly, the Blackburn Blackburd, though it never went into production. A challenge both visually, technically ( it was awful), and model wise - look at that rib detail on the interplane struts. Aidrian ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 10:56:11 GMT From: lfendy@firstsaga.com (Leonard Endy) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: web shots Message-ID: <37b54a08.2880081@legend.firstsaga.com> I just noticed Allan added some in-progess pics of sp's Mercedes engine and the I'lya to the web site. The engines look fantastic ! Anyone could use the pics as a "how-to" for detailing engines. Also, I would agree that Dennis has been inhaling to many fumes as witnessed by that Mig 1.5 on his site. Len ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 07:26:33 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: "Big Ack" - big aaaaaaack!!! Message-ID: <00b301bee647$dd5738e0$332b45cf@default> Observent cuss that he is, Tom remarked: ".....which is proof that it took the Brits a long time to agree that the laws of aerodynamics applied on the left side of the Channel. " The trouble here is not British submission of the laws of aerodynamics. It's the way they made the buildings they designed their planes in. No roof and no chairs, because they were obviously "standing in the noonday sun" when they drew up some of those contraptions. Now Mitchell on the other hand seems to have had the sense to work indoors. ;-) sp Who also wants a quarter scale Big Ack and would love to hear more of the battle between Big Acks & Fukkers Sandy mentioned in another post. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 08:04:54 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Losing my religion Message-ID: <199908140805_MC2-8107-2266@compuserve.com> Doug, Sorry to hear of your religion shaking experience. It can be a bummer when little things go wrong just before a contest. >> Does anyone that builds the vac kits have a good suggestion on getting a good thin trailing edge, nice, smooth? << There are two ways I thin my wings. 1. After the wing is cut out, tape a strong masking tape "T" shaped to the top of the wing. These will serve as handles. I use at least 4 sometimes 5 depending on the length of the wing. (Now I am talking 1/72 here) I have a piece of 80 grit wet/dry sandpaper on the flat surface near a water supply. The sandpaper is soaked and using the masking tape, the wing is moved back and forth, applying pressure with your finger tips as you move from one piece of masking tape to another. As far as the trailing edge, release all pressure to the front of the wing and sand back at least 1/4 of the wing width and sand the trailing edge almost to nothing making sure it tapers very smoothly to the leading edge. It sounds more complex than it really is. I you are building 1/48 the trailing edge taper is critical if the trailing edge is to be thin. If you don't sand back far enough, the top and bottom edge will not meet. 2. Using a "T" shaped piece of metal and double sided tape, tape the wing top down and go over the wing with a sanding block. No water is used for this method. I have a metal grit sanding block so care must be taken not to sand too much. When I have the shape I want, I change sandpaper and smooth out the surface. Both methods work for me and I will switch back and forth for no reason. Just depends on my mood at the time. Take a scrap wing and practice with both methods. Hope this helps. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://members.xoom.com/Uggies/DJU.HTM Page Revised 8/16/99 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 22:09:53 +1000 From: "Kitsch design" To: Subject: OT: German (spiked) helmets Message-ID: <000a01bee64d$f3095d20$281d083d@t9hf2> Hi folks, Sorry for the OT post, but I wondered if anyone knows if there are reproductions available (1:1 scale preferably) of the German (spiked) helmet used in WW1? I'm going through a whole WW1 bug at the moment, reading anything and everything I can, but curiosly enough it was a re-run of Hogan's Heroes that made me recall my childhood fascination for this piece of military headgear. Regards Andrew Ronayne Blue Mountains NSW Australia ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 08:01:23 -0500 From: "Charles and Linda Duckworth" To: Subject: Re: Losing my religion Message-ID: <003001bee655$1e7efd00$a45ddfd1@q1p5x0> >Question... Does anyone that builds the vac kits have a good suggestion on >getting a good thin trailing edge, nice, smooth? I got my tip from Peter Fedders who's built more 1/48 vac's than anyone I know. Use a single edge razor blade or Number 11 Exacto and scrape in one direction until you get your desired trailing edge (bottom of the vac) . Then cleanup the surface with wet/dry emory paper I start with 320 and sand on a piece of glass with soap and water to carry away the plastic. Just finished the wings in my Sierra Fokker DII using this method and they came out great. Now working on the fuselage firewall and cowling attachment. Hope this helps Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 00:04:48 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Growth of the list WAS: New to the list Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD4759FC@mimhexch.mim.com.au> > Boeing, Curtiss, Hawker.... > > There. Almost on-topic, yet totally off. :-) > Hawker,Harry, WW1 Australian aircraft designer and test pilot. Nope, nothing off topic about that. Must be talking about the other two Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 00:06:04 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Web page update Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD4759FD@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Dennis, > It's not a MIG 15, it's a MIG 1 point 5. It's the > very early model of the 15. :-) I hope that's the biplane version with the jolly roger on the tail or you'll never get done 100 for 2000 Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 10:25:55 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: RE: Web page update Message-ID: <199908141026_MC2-80F6-8F20@compuserve.com> Shane, >> you'll never get done 100 for 2000 << I'm still on track for 100 before the end of 2000. I built the Mig 1.5 about 12 years ago. A IPMS chapter had a humor category and I couldn't resist. I have had more fun with that model watching other people try and figure it out. The similes are worth a fortune. Kit 91 is nearing completion so I should be around 94 or 95 by the end of this year. The TOKO HB D.I is nearing completion. I went back to the Oeffag but the wing alignment is still resisting my charms. Once I get the wing done, the kit is almost finished. I think you will like the wood grain on the D.I Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://members.xoom.com/Uggies/DJU.HTM Page Revised 8/16/99 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 10:25:54 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: RE: Web page update Message-ID: <199908141025_MC2-80F6-8F1F@compuserve.com> Peter, >> Dennis, now I've had a proper look there's only one thing to say. You shouldn't use polystyrene cement in an unventelated area ;¬) << Oh, is that what the problem is? Maybe that explains why I'm always smiling when building models. Hummmmmmmmm. That explains a lot of things. :-) Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://members.xoom.com/Uggies/DJU.HTM Page Revised 8/16/99 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 10:42:06 -0400 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Hawker and Spins was (RE: Growth of the list WAS: New to the list Message-ID: <199908140737266@cameron.prontomail.com> >Hawker,Harry, WW1 Australian aircraft designer and test pilot. "Australians in the Air" implies Hawker was one of the first to figure out how to recover an aircraft from a spin. Apparently Horrie Miller recounted it, book says, "He [Horrie Miller] soon became acquainted with many of the early greats in aviation, and witnessed the terrifying experiment in which Harry Hawker proved that the way to coax an aircraft out of a spin was to push the joystick forward, not pull it back - the instinctive reaction that had killed all the pilots trapped into doing so." Doesnt mention what aircraft or what year. Who was the first to deliberately put an aircraft into a spin and then recover it by pilot control? cam ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail and Homepage at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 15:41:02 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: "Big Ack" - Beautiful!!!! Message-ID: <001201bee663$1e79c480$38e8b094@sandyada> >Who also wants a quarter scale Big Ack and would love to hear more of the >battle between Big Acks & Fukkers Sandy mentioned in another post. Hi Stephen - it wasn't Big Acks - plural but Big Ack singular! The following is an extract form "Second to None" the history of II Squadron, after descriptions of previous fights in which the Canadian Alan ("Babe") McLeod used the FK8 like a fighter to attack Albatros fighters and Balloons. 27 March 1918 with Lt Hammond. "At 1300 hours after the aircraft had been repaired and refeulled, they took off again. The weather had not changed at all. When McLeod was about to abandon the sortie he suddenly spotted a German balloon not far from him. The FK8 dived towards the enemy, but before the ballon came into firing range a Fokker Triplane came into view. McLeod changed his mind and decided to attack the Triplane first. After a succesful attack the Triplane fell into an uncontrolled spin and crashed on the outskirts of the village of Albert. However a formation of 8 Fokker Triplanes had witnessed McLeod's victory and dived for the Big Ack. The Fokkers belonged to Jasta 10. As the first Triplane attacked Lt Hammond answered with a long burst and the German fell in flames. While the other Fokkers attacked, one of the Germans, Lt Kirchstein, decided to try an attack from below. The Big Ack was raked from nose to rudder inflicting two serious wounds on Hammond. A simultaneous attack by a second Fokker from the beam resulted in a third wound for Hammond while McLeod was hit in the leg. In spite of agonizing pains Hammond levelled his gunsifgt at the nearest German, his bullets hit its petrol tank and the Fokker exploded in mid-air. Kirchstein again banked steeply towards the FK8 but this time his bullets ruptured the petrol tank. The Big Ack erupted in flames. The fury of the fire burned away the fragile flooring between McLeod and Hammond and destroyed McLeods cockpit floor, his knee length flying boots and the lower skirt of his leather coat were also burnt away. The instrument board and control column started smouldering. Having no other support, Hammond was forced to climb on top of the fuselage, desperately clinging to the gun mounting to prevent himself from falling. McLeod was also forced to climb out of the cockpit. He stood on the port lower wing root, holding the smouldering control column with one hand and yet managing to bring the FK8 into a sideslip to keep the flames from burning Hammond alive. A Fokker pilot followed the FK8, probably anxious to witness the crash which seemed inevitable. He paid the price for his curiosity when Hammond succeeded in giving him a final burst with his machine gun as the German closed in. A short while later infantry saw the FK8 crash violently into No-Mans Land. MacLeod, badly burned, bleeding and in shock managed to pull his observer from the aircraft before the bombs it was still carrying exploded. With Hammond on his back he crawled towards the Allied lines. While doing this he was again wounded, this time by shrapnel. Exhausted he reached an outpost manned by South Africans, where he collapsed. As the German barrage made it impossible to move them, both had to stay there for five more hours until it was possible to carry them to a dressing station. A long road of convalescence followed. For weeks McLeod's life hung in the balance, while Hammond lost a leg. On 1st May 1918, the London Gazette announced that a Victoria Cross had been awarded to Babe McLeod. On 4 September he walked on crutches into Buckingham Palace, accompanied by his father who had sailed from Canada to be with his son. His observer was awarded a bar to his MC. Sadly McLeod did not live long enough to enjoy his medal. In November 1918 when an epidemic of virulent influenza swept through Canada, the young man died. At 19 years of age he had been the youngest reciepient of an aerial VC and the second youngest serviceman ever to receive this great honour." The book has a painting showing the desperate encounter and a photo of young McLeod in his hospital bed after the battle - he still manages a brave face for the camera. Please don't put the Big Ack in the same category as the Blackburn and Bison - these ugly aeroplanes were hated by all - the Big Ack was tough and reliable and revered by many of her crew. I can't see how it can be thought ugly - the pictures in the Datafile show a graceful aeroplane in flight - admittedly the early form of undercarriage was clumsy and the exhausts strange but the airframe is clean and well-balanced and IMHO beautiful. One of the truly undersung Great Aeroplanes. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 08:37:32 -0700 From: ERIC HIGHT To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: "Big Ack" - Beautiful!!!! Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990814083732.006b38a4@pop.amug.org> sandy, is chris gannon blue max? thanks eric ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 12:27:14 EDT From: BEN8800@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Jenny OX-5 Engine Message-ID: I finally finished the plan of the Jenny engine for my kit project. What a bear. Thanks to all who sent me photos and info on this engine. Could not have done it without you. The only thing I am not real sure of is the 2- oil fills. Even though my reference plan calls the aft one a breather, my photographs do not really substantiate that. Both pipes have a closed cover with a spring holding them down. So, I can't see how one could be a breather. I'm just going to let it ride as two oil fills. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 17:46:59 +0100 From: "Len Smith" To: Subject: Re: Hawker and Spins Message-ID: <007501bee674$d4a48860$b15b08c3@default> Cam, I don't know who first put an aircraft into a spin deliberately, but on Sunday 25th August 1912 during the Military Aircraft Competition Lieut. Parke RN went into a spin whilst returning from the 3 hour qualifying flight. He was flying the Avro Military Biplane, now known as the Type F. >From the 31stAugust 1912 edition of Flight comes the following:- Throughout the flight an altitude of between 600 and 700 ft. was maintained, and the pilot, observing that he was still at this height , decided that he had sufficient room for a spiral glide. At the point A, in the diagram, {Sorry, no attachments allowed} he closed the throttle without switching off (which kept the engine just turning) and immediately proceeded to glide round down wind. At the point B, having completed a half spiral, Parke thought the machine was in an unnecessarily steep attitude, and was insufficiently banked for the turn he was making. He therefore elevated, and believes he may also have given a momentary touch to the warp, which two operations were for the purpose of reducing the steepness of the descent and increasing the bank repectively. The machine at once started a spiral nose dive. At the point C, Parke opened the throttle full out............The engine responded instantly, but failed to produce the desired effect....... {Follows a description of his unsucessful actions} It was his recognition, through this forcible effect, of the predominating influence of the spiral motion , as distinct from the dive, that caused him to ease off the rudder and finally push it hard over to the right (i.e. to turn the machine outwards from the circle), as a last resort, when about 50 ft. from the ground. Instantly, but without any jerkiness , the machine straightened and flattened out - came at once under control and, without sinking appreciably, flew off in perfect attitude. Sorry for the length, but I think it may interest some of the listees. As far as I know this was the first witnessed and recorded recovery from a spin in England. Regards Len. lensmith@clara.net http://home.clara.net/lensmith ----- Original Message ----- From: cameron rile To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Saturday, August 14, 1999 3:41 PM Subject: Hawker and Spins was (RE: Growth of the list WAS: New to the list > >Hawker,Harry, WW1 Australian aircraft designer and test pilot. > > "Australians in the Air" implies Hawker was one of the first to > figure out how to recover an aircraft from a spin. Apparently > Horrie Miller recounted it, book says, > > "He [Horrie Miller] soon became acquainted with many of the early > greats in aviation, and witnessed the terrifying experiment in > which Harry Hawker proved that the way to coax an aircraft out of a > spin was to push the joystick forward, not pull it back - the > instinctive reaction that had killed all the pilots trapped into > doing so." > > Doesnt mention what aircraft or what year. Who was the first to > deliberately put an aircraft into a spin and then recover it by > pilot control? > > > > > cam > > ______________________________________________________________ > Get Your Free E-mail and Homepage at http://www.prontomail.com > > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1775 **********************