WWI Digest 1773 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: was Windsock 15-4 / Toko etc by smperry@mindspring.com 2) Re: Find Waldo by "PETER LEONARD" 3) Re: was Windsock 15-4 / Toko etc by "PETER LEONARD" 4) More Nieuport Help Wanted by "Len Smith" 5) The B..... Word by "Len Smith" 6) flying machines by "dfernet0" 7) Re: Gotha! by ERIC HIGHT 8) Re: flying machines by ERIC HIGHT 9) Re: Gotha! by "PETER LEONARD" 10) Flying Machines Book Sale by "Courtney Allen" 11) Re: cabane structure RE: was Windsock 15-4 / Toko etc by Mike Fletcher 12) Re: Gotha! by Matthew E Bittner 13) Re: was Windsock 15-4 / Toko etc by Matthew E Bittner 14) Re: Find Waldo by "Brad Gossen" 15) Re: Nieuport 17 and Spad A.2 by Matthew E Bittner 16) Re: Variants lowering cost of injection molds/ was: Windsock 15-4 by Matthew E Bittner 17) Re: More Nieuport Help Wanted by Matthew E Bittner 18) Re: CSM production program... was Gotha! by "Lance Krieg" 19) Re: More Nieuport Help Wanted by Mike Fletcher 20) Re: Gotha! by Mike Fletcher 21) Re: flying machines by "Brad Gossen" 22) AW FK3 B9607 by Mike Fletcher 23) Re: Gotha! by "PETER LEONARD" 24) Re: was Windsock 15-4 / Toko etc by Mike Fletcher 25) Re: Find Waldo by "PETER LEONARD" 26) Re: AW FK3 B9607 by "PETER LEONARD" 27) Re: The Lincoln Imp was WW1 Tanks... by "Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton" 28) Re: The Lincoln Imp was WW1 Tanks... by "Len Smith" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:54:00 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: was Windsock 15-4 / Toko etc Message-ID: <004d01bee5ac$716606c0$912845cf@default> -----Original Message----- From: Sandy Adam To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Friday, August 13, 1999 12:36 PM Subject: Re: was Windsock 15-4 / Toko etc > Matchbox's cabane structure) >> >>Yes, I wonder why nobody ever used the same idea on their kits. It worked >great. > > >I've seen this a few times elsewhere but can't remember exactly where - >Matchbox weren't the first to use it, I'm sure. OTTOMH did the old Inpact >Gladiator not have this? And the Airfix 1/48 Fury? >Sandy > If you mean that the cabaines are joined at the bottom and fit into a slot in the fuselage, yes, I just looked. sp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:02:43 PDT From: "PETER LEONARD" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Find Waldo Message-ID: <19990813170244.74744.qmail@hotmail.com> Bob, guilty as charged Brad, the complaints department is closed for buisiness Bob again, in the unlikely event you will be the first to know. If I do get into it again it will be according to my original concept; two or three dozen kits max sold direct to fellow enthusiasts.I only intended to supply the resin parts and leave the modeller to source white metal, decals and whatever else, elswhere. That was the plan with the M-1-C but I allowed myself to be slickered into selling 150 plus kits through traders. With packaging and metal etc I ended up seriously out of pocket. When I signed up for this group I had no idea I would be in such august company. It's an after market who's who on here. Don't mind me, I'll sit quietly at the back. Peter Leonard IPMS UK Lancashire & Cheshire Branch http://www.storks.cwc.net http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com PeterL@cwcom.net >From: "Bob Pearson" >Reply-To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Find Waldo >Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 02:31:03 -0400 (EDT) > >Hi Peter, > >Good heavens. . You're WALDO !!!!! List member Brad Gossen has two of your >Dolphins. ...... and with Sandy having one .. you know almost everyone who >bought one .. .. If I had any money I would have got one as well (note my >website URL.) > >Sadly I have heard from Bob Norgren that his vacform Dolphin is a no-go as >British WW1 doesn't sell. > >But if you ever decide to try and market it again I will offer profiles or >basic decal work in return for one. > >Regards, > Bob Pearson > >Visit my WW1 Aviation page >http://members.xoom.com/Sopwith_5F1 > >Managing Editor / Internet Modeler >http://www.internetmodeler.com > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:15:41 PDT From: "PETER LEONARD" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: was Windsock 15-4 / Toko etc Message-ID: <19990813171542.11020.qmail@hotmail.com> And the DML SPAD...but I think that's about all. Bloody good idea though. Peter Leonard IPMS UK Lancashire & Cheshire Branch http://www.storks.cwc.net http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com PeterL@cwcom.net >From: "Sandy Adam" >Reply-To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: was Windsock 15-4 / Toko etc >Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:36:31 -0400 (EDT) > > Matchbox's cabane structure) > > > >Yes, I wonder why nobody ever used the same idea on their kits. It worked >great. > > >I've seen this a few times elsewhere but can't remember exactly where - >Matchbox weren't the first to use it, I'm sure. OTTOMH did the old Inpact >Gladiator not have this? And the Airfix 1/48 Fury? >Sandy > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 16:58:23 +0100 From: "Len Smith" To: Subject: More Nieuport Help Wanted Message-ID: <000001bee5b1$a34c20c0$635b08c3@default> Hi All, Sitting here quietly contemplating what to build a thought came into my mind NIEUPORT 21 ! Everyone else builds 11s,16s,17s, 23s and 28s so why not a 21? On consulting the FMP book it appears that this consisted of an 11 fuselage married to a 17 wing set, the main difference being that the 21 had parallel flying wires. I cannot see any difference in any of the drawings I have, so can one of our resident experts help me by telling me where they went from and to? TIA. Regards Len. lensmith@clara.net http://home.clara.net/lensmith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 17:32:38 +0100 From: "Len Smith" To: Subject: The B..... Word Message-ID: <000201bee5b1$a5e9fd20$635b08c3@default> Shane the Whichever (and others) In the discussion on the origin of the B....... word, no one has so far mentioned the motto of the XVIII Squadron of the Imperial Roman Air Force > Nil Testicular Carborundum < which, for you linguistically challenged mob roughly translates as > Never let your Bollocks dangle on a grindstone <. Ah, history... brings a tear to your eye doesn't it? Regards Len. lensmith@clara.net http://home.clara.net/lensmith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:39:12 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: "WW1 modeling Mail List" Subject: flying machines Message-ID: <002901bee4e9$975b2b80$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Hi listees: I received today the Eyewitness book "flying Machines". Beautiful, crystal clear color pictures. Very basic text, done for kids, but good in general. Anyway, the price is feasible ($10) and have enough pictorial information about early machines and between the wars to be worth buying it. Loads of information, a naked bristol fighter (don't start, E.), and many engines in detailed pictures. D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:14:03 -0700 From: ERIC HIGHT To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Gotha! Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990813111403.006e60d8@pop.amug.org> peter, i'll discuss it with my caster if we do a large a/c. it might work if there are problems with droop etc. also might cast brass spars right into the wings. i'll have to tackle that problem when it comes up. good suggestion. eric ernie, no i did not. hell i did not have time to look at the contest models. my only real regret, besides the minor problem we had with you know who. eric sp, this is my point one or two a year is not enough to cover the cost of developement. i think that you have a good basic idea. do enough for one plane, buckles, horns even some int. details. what do you guys think? doing enough for one a/c would also keep the cost down to the modeler. give some input. i think i like it. eric tia, i have no idea. but since most if not all wwi a/c guns are modified counter parts to their land bretheren i think it should be in realm of doable. any help on this? eric to all my master maker has just informed me that tc,hippo and aeroclub are currently "working" on gothas. he says that they are doing 4 & 5, so i think a 3 could be a real posiibility here. here are his suggestions for next year(can't do all of them possibley 5/6): rumpler c.iv,nieuport xii,alb. ci,raf be2 c/e,sikorski sxvi,austrian aviatik b.ii and mos ac,p etc. also if no one is doing a big ack 8 i would like to consider that as well. let me know what you've heard. comments eric ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:28:51 -0700 From: ERIC HIGHT To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: flying machines Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990813112851.006e4c1c@pop.amug.org> bob, if you are looking for a 1/48 dolphin we have one out. eric ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:30:30 PDT From: "PETER LEONARD" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Gotha! Message-ID: <19990813183030.58128.qmail@hotmail.com> If you're STILL looking for suggestions put me down for a SPAD 12 (current obsession) and a Tommy (long term obsession) Peter Leonard IPMS UK Lancashire & Cheshire Branch http://www.storks.cwc.net http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com PeterL@cwcom.net ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:56:09 -0700 From: "Courtney Allen" To: Subject: Flying Machines Book Sale Message-ID: <000701bee5bd$826e5100$2d05480c@courtney> I just noticed on the F;Flying Machines Press Web page that they have ALL their books on sale. The prices are very good, especially when you consider that they include all shipping and handling charges. Courtney Allen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:34:23 -0700 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: cabane structure RE: was Windsock 15-4 / Toko etc Message-ID: <37B4733F.D58D9E01@mars.ark.com> the struts are made up of two moldings, one for the struts on each side of the fuselage, and they connect together to form a solid structure underneath the seperate top decking. This ensures that the are mounted at the correct angle and height, and have a reasonable degree of strength. The top wing can be attatched to this without having to jig anything and the interplane struts added afterwards. -- Mike Fletcher ___ ., mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; mikef@sparc.nic.bc.ca |--n--""*" icq=19554083 @ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:22:38 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Gotha! Message-ID: <19990813.143321.-31971.3.mbittner@juno.com> On Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:38:25 -0400 (EDT) "PETER LEONARD" writes: > If you're STILL looking for suggestions put me down for a SPAD 12 > (current > obsession) and a Tommy (long term obsession) A SPAD 12 in 1/72nd!!! Please? Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:18:22 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: was Windsock 15-4 / Toko etc Message-ID: <19990813.143321.-31971.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:56:01 -0400 (EDT) Pedro e Francisca Soares writes: > Yes, I wonder why nobody ever used the same idea on their kits. It > worked great. I'm not 100% positive, but isn't this the way Meikraft tried to do it with the Dornier? Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 15:33:29 -0400 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Re: Find Waldo Message-ID: <199908131935.PAA05638@mail5.globalserve.net> Peter wrote: "Brad, the complaints department is closed for business." Wha'd I say, wha'd I SAAAY !??? Before I purchased my first Dolphin I was allowed to peruse the contents. I made my decision to buy based on this perusal and later purchased a second. I was, and still am, thrilled to find a 1/48 Dolphin. If anyone else comes out with one I'm likely to buy another two. If I have a complaint it's that one of the kits was missing the vertical stab and rudder. You wouldn't happen to have a spare kicking around would you? If not I've already got one patterned on the other from card. I also still yearn for a nice selection of :48 Dolphin markings. If you do decide to get back into it I hope I'm one of the fellow enthusiasts you offer to. I also hope you decide to do an AK W FK8. I'd likely buy at least two of these as well. Hey Eric same goes for Copper State! Count me in for at least one Gotha. Brad ---------- > From: PETER LEONARD > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Find Waldo > Date: Friday, August 13, 1999 1:03 PM > > Bob, guilty as charged > > Brad, the complaints department is closed for buisiness > > Bob again, in the unlikely event you will be the first to know. If I do get > into it again it will be according to my original concept; two or three > dozen kits max sold direct to fellow enthusiasts.I only intended to supply > the resin parts and leave the modeller to source white metal, decals and > whatever else, elswhere. That was the plan with the M-1-C but I allowed > myself to be slickered into selling 150 plus kits through traders. With > packaging and metal etc I ended up seriously out of pocket. > > When I signed up for this group I had no idea I would be in such august > company. It's an after market who's who on here. Don't mind me, I'll sit > quietly at the back. > > Peter Leonard > IPMS UK > Lancashire & Cheshire Branch > http://www.storks.cwc.net > http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com > PeterL@cwcom.net > > > >From: "Bob Pearson" > >Reply-To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > >To: Multiple recipients of list > >Subject: Find Waldo > >Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 02:31:03 -0400 (EDT) > > > >Hi Peter, > > > >Good heavens. . You're WALDO !!!!! List member Brad Gossen has two of your > >Dolphins. ...... and with Sandy having one .. you know almost everyone who > >bought one .. .. If I had any money I would have got one as well (note my > >website URL.) > > > >Sadly I have heard from Bob Norgren that his vacform Dolphin is a no-go as > >British WW1 doesn't sell. > > > >But if you ever decide to try and market it again I will offer profiles or > >basic decal work in return for one. > > > >Regards, > > Bob Pearson > > > >Visit my WW1 Aviation page > >http://members.xoom.com/Sopwith_5F1 > > > >Managing Editor / Internet Modeler > >http://www.internetmodeler.com > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:23:30 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Nieuport 17 and Spad A.2 Message-ID: <19990813.143321.-31971.4.mbittner@juno.com> On Fri, 13 Aug 1999 08:29:26 -0400 (EDT) "Knasinski, Joseph" writes: > Now for another question: I was looking through my books last night > and came across a photo of a SPAD A.2. Does anyone know of a kit of > this aircraft (1/48 or 1/72)? Roseplane had a vac in 1/72nd, and there is also a resin one coming in 1/72nd by - I think - Omega. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:16:53 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Variants lowering cost of injection molds/ was: Windsock 15-4 Message-ID: <19990813.143321.-31971.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Fri, 13 Aug 1999 08:16:34 -0400 (EDT) Michael Kendix writes: > There's numerous examples in our sphere; e.g. Toko's Strutters, > Nieuports > (11, 16), Salamander/Snipe; also Eduard's 2 Strutters (1 & 2 > seaters). > Obviously, this reduces the up-front cost by a significant margin. Personally I like the way ISM/ICM does it. They supplied two distinct fuselages with their Yak-9. Then you have Toko's LaGG-3 where - with some work of your own - you can build every "major" version. The Dako Il-2's are neat in that there are three or four separate types. Hey, what do you mean this isn't the VVS list? Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:20:38 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: More Nieuport Help Wanted Message-ID: <19990813.143321.-31971.2.mbittner@juno.com> On Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:30:12 -0400 (EDT) "Len Smith" writes: > Sitting here quietly contemplating what to build a thought came into > my mind > NIEUPORT 21 ! Everyone else builds 11s,16s,17s, 23s and 28s so why > not a > 21? On consulting the FMP book it appears that this consisted of > an 11 > fuselage married to a 17 wing set, the main difference being that > the 21 had > parallel flying wires. I cannot see any difference in any of the > drawings I > have, so can one of our resident experts help me by telling me where > they > went from and to? TIA. Actually it was a 17 with an 11 cowl and engine and gun (overhead Lewis). Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:39:49 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: CSM production program... was Gotha! Message-ID: Eric says ... "think a [Gotha G.]3 could be a real posiibility here. here are his suggestions for next year(can't do all of them possibley 5/6): rumpler c.iv,nieuport xii,alb. ci,raf be2 c/e,sikorski sxvi,austrian aviatik b.ii and mos ac,p etc. also if no one is doing a big ack 8 " Good Lord, I'm getting exited. I'll take one of each, but some observations: Wings '48 has/had the BE2 as a vac. The Russians have a resin Sikorski XVI, though I haven't seen the kit. Will the 2 seaters sell as well as the fighters? Want you to be as successful as possible, to keep us supplied with goodies. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:50:41 -0700 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: More Nieuport Help Wanted Message-ID: <37B47711.30A846A7@mars.ark.com> Actually a 17 with an 11 engine and cowling and no headrest, plus wing sweep was adjusted to compensate for the lighter engine 86º40 vs 86º30 for the 11 and 87º40 for the 17/23 (sweep is for one wing measured from centreline) They are often mistaken for 11's though. It was built as a long range escort fighter but the doctrine changed and they were redundant. Most were used as trainers or went to secondary fronts, and have been seen in Portugese, Siamese, USAS, Dutch, RNAS, Russian and of course French markings. Some USAS examples were given 110hp LeRhones to make things more confusing. (I don't know what cowling they were fitted with) -- Mike Fletcher ___ ., mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; mikef@sparc.nic.bc.ca |--n--""*" icq=19554083 @ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:56:19 -0700 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Gotha! Message-ID: <37B47863.EFF4B05D@mars.ark.com> I'd love to see an accurate Nieuport 12 in any scale - especially if it is a French one Let me know when you are getting ready to start and I'll make sure you have decent drawings to work from. There are two things to watch for - the French built 12's had aileron washout and it is hard to add that after the fact, and the fuselage is not rectangular is cross section, being a trapeziod. The Datafile drawings are out in a number of respects unfortunately. -- Mike Fletcher ___ ., mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; mikef@sparc.nic.bc.ca |--n--""*" icq=19554083 @ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 15:57:33 -0400 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Re: flying machines Message-ID: <199908131959.PAA07389@mail5.globalserve.net> Eric Wow. Ask and ye shall receive! How much? Decals? (what silly fool could you possibly talk into doing a Dolphin sheet for you.) Can the decal sheet for the Dolphin be purchased separately? I'm also interested in your SE5. Along with the Big AK I'd definitely be in line for a couple of BE2's! Brad BigglesRFC@globalserve.net ---------- > From: ERIC HIGHT > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: flying machines > Date: Friday, August 13, 1999 2:31 PM > > bob, > if you are looking for a 1/48 dolphin we have one out. > eric ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:07:57 -0700 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: AW FK3 B9607 Message-ID: <37B47B1D.D34BF466@mars.ark.com> Someone sent me a picture of this machine crashed in front of a manor with a questions about its identity. My book on RFC/RAF serials is packed so can anyone help? (I'll forward a copy of the shot to anyone interested) -- Mike Fletcher ___ ., mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; mikef@sparc.nic.bc.ca |--n--""*" icq=19554083 @ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:06:14 PDT From: "PETER LEONARD" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Gotha! Message-ID: <19990813200614.52452.qmail@hotmail.com> Okay I'll bite. With a scratch built 12 at the ready to assemble stage, what's the problem with the Datafile drawings. I just KNOW I'm going to regret this ;¬( Peter Leonard IPMS UK Lancashire & Cheshire Branch http://www.storks.cwc.net http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com PeterL@cwcom.net >From: Mike Fletcher >Reply-To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: Gotha! >Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 15:59:21 -0400 (EDT) > >I'd love to see an accurate Nieuport 12 in any scale - especially if it >is a French one >Let me know when you are getting ready to start and I'll make sure you >have decent drawings to work from. >There are two things to watch for - the French built 12's had aileron >washout and it is hard to add that after the fact, and the fuselage is >not rectangular is cross section, being a trapeziod. >The Datafile drawings are out in a number of respects unfortunately. >-- >Mike Fletcher ___ ., >mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; >mikef@sparc.nic.bc.ca |--n--""*" >icq=19554083 @ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:11:16 -0700 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: was Windsock 15-4 / Toko etc Message-ID: <37B47BE4.F8A06A1F@mars.ark.com> Now that you remind me - yes Too bad it was so limited run and such an obscure subject. I got mine on sale for really cheap because the hobby shop had about a half dozen they were having trouble selling. It was a much nicer kit than the Meikraft Albatros C.III I had gotten previously. -- Mike Fletcher ___ ., mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; mikef@sparc.nic.bc.ca |--n--""*" icq=19554083 @ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:17:52 PDT From: "PETER LEONARD" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Find Waldo Message-ID: <19990813201753.42343.qmail@hotmail.com> Brad, you can count on it. It was the "can do" modeler, such as yourself judging from your approach to the fin/rudder problem, that I had in mind. As a breed WWI modellers (generally) see a problem as something to be solved rather than something to be complained about, though there are exceptions;¬) Next in line WAS going to be a Bristol Scout C, but the masters went west with all the Dolphin molds. Still have a hankering for a MoS A1 though. Peter Leonard IPMS UK Lancashire & Cheshire Branch http://www.storks.cwc.net http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com PeterL@cwcom.net >From: "Brad Gossen" >Reply-To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: Find Waldo >Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 15:41:17 -0400 (EDT) > >Peter wrote: "Brad, the complaints department is closed for business." > >Wha'd I say, wha'd I SAAAY !??? > > Before I purchased my first Dolphin I was allowed to peruse the >contents. I made my decision to buy based on this perusal and later >purchased a second. I was, and still am, thrilled to find a 1/48 Dolphin. >If anyone else comes out with one I'm likely to buy another two. If I have >a complaint it's that one of the kits was missing the vertical stab and >rudder. You wouldn't happen to have a spare kicking around would you? If >not I've already got one patterned on the other from card. I also still >yearn for a nice selection of :48 Dolphin markings. > If you do decide to get back into it I hope I'm one of the fellow >enthusiasts you offer to. I also hope you decide to do an AK W FK8. I'd >likely buy at least two of these as well. Hey Eric same goes for Copper >State! Count me in for at least one Gotha. > >Brad > >---------- > > From: PETER LEONARD > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: Re: Find Waldo > > Date: Friday, August 13, 1999 1:03 PM > > > > Bob, guilty as charged > > > > Brad, the complaints department is closed for buisiness > > > > Bob again, in the unlikely event you will be the first to know. If I do >get > > into it again it will be according to my original concept; two or three > > dozen kits max sold direct to fellow enthusiasts.I only intended to >supply > > the resin parts and leave the modeller to source white metal, decals and > > whatever else, elswhere. That was the plan with the M-1-C but I allowed > > myself to be slickered into selling 150 plus kits through traders. With > > packaging and metal etc I ended up seriously out of pocket. > > > > When I signed up for this group I had no idea I would be in such august > > company. It's an after market who's who on here. Don't mind me, I'll sit > > quietly at the back. > > > > Peter Leonard > > IPMS UK > > Lancashire & Cheshire Branch > > http://www.storks.cwc.net > > http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com > > PeterL@cwcom.net > > > > > > >From: "Bob Pearson" > > >Reply-To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > > >To: Multiple recipients of list > > >Subject: Find Waldo > > >Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 02:31:03 -0400 (EDT) > > > > > >Hi Peter, > > > > > >Good heavens. . You're WALDO !!!!! List member Brad Gossen has two of >your > > >Dolphins. ...... and with Sandy having one .. you know almost everyone >who > > >bought one .. .. If I had any money I would have got one as well (note >my > > >website URL.) > > > > > >Sadly I have heard from Bob Norgren that his vacform Dolphin is a no-go >as > > >British WW1 doesn't sell. > > > > > >But if you ever decide to try and market it again I will offer profiles >or > > >basic decal work in return for one. > > > > > >Regards, > > > Bob Pearson > > > > > >Visit my WW1 Aviation page > > >http://members.xoom.com/Sopwith_5F1 > > > > > >Managing Editor / Internet Modeler > > >http://www.internetmodeler.com > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:20:31 PDT From: "PETER LEONARD" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: AW FK3 B9607 Message-ID: <19990813202031.69514.qmail@hotmail.com> go on, gizza look Peter ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 21:26:32 +0100 From: "Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton" To: Subject: Re: The Lincoln Imp was WW1 Tanks... Message-ID: <008201bee5ca$4c0fa200$1af0a8c2@pc0973> Dixit Len Smith >This indeed is the Ruston Imp, used as part of their trademark. The >original Imp was one of the Devil's small helpers and ran amok in Lincoln >Cathedral, where one of the resident Angels turned him into stone. The >carved(?) Imp is seated with one leg crossed over the other hanging down, >giving the impression of standing. I pefer petrified - I spent hours looking at the thing when I was rather younger and can swear that it seemed to move a little on occasion. I'm surprised one of the more peculiar Deans they have had hadn't tried to sell it. There is a question of whether Ruston's produced whole tanks or just very large parts thereof which is something I need to clear up. The museum there is a very likely looking source of OT material it seems, once you get past all the stuff those untidy Romans left lying around the place, so a visit is planned. Dad talked to someone at the museum today: - >>The old Ruston works are (very partially) occupied by a firm she thinks is called Anglo Engineering: GEC moved turbine production out many years ago. Apart from Anglo Engineering, there's no engineering at all in Lincoln now, she says. Tragic to think of that tradition of skill being lost! One of Maggie Thatcher's ideas for turning the whole country into a vast grocer's shop.<< Aidrian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 21:21:18 +0100 From: "Len Smith" To: Subject: Re: The Lincoln Imp was WW1 Tanks... Message-ID: <008b01bee5cb$b6ef2400$bb5b08c3@default> sp & Aidrian, This indeed is the Ruston Imp, used as part of their trademark. The original Imp was one of the Devil's small helpers and ran amok in Lincoln Cathedral, where one of the resident Angels turned him into stone. The carved(?) Imp is seated with one leg crossed over the other hanging down, giving the impression of standing. The trademark shows the Imp, with a pair of biplane wings, resting on a plaque bearing the words Ruston,Lincoln,England and was used as a transfer on the wing struts and engine cowling of Ruston built aircraft. There is a photo of the Imp in the Albatros book >WW1 British Aeroplane Colours and Markings.> and a photo of the trademark on John Walls' booklet >Ruston Aircraft Production> Regards Len. lensmith@clara.net http://home.clara.net/lensmith > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton > To: Multiple recipients of list > Sent: Friday, August 13, 1999 6:12 AM > Subject: The Lincoln Imp > > > > I lived in Lincoln for a few years - the Lincoln Imp is as you say a > carving > > in the choir of the cathedral, and is very much the city's emblem - > Lincoln > > City FC are sometimes known as the Imps. > > > > Legend has it that it's not a carving, but a real imp that was turned to > > stone. The cathedral itself is one of the real glories of English > building, > > set high on a hill and visible for miles around. If there is low > > lying mist you get a rather wonderful effect as you approach the city,as > > under > > some conditions the cathedral can appear to be floating in the sky. > > > > Back to the question; > > > > There were four major OT contractors in the city; Ruston's, Robey's, > Clayton > > and Shuttleworth and Foster's. All were originally manufacturers of > > agricultural equipment - notably traction engines. OTTOMH I couldn' say > > which of these used the Imp as a badge - quite possibly more than one of > > them - but since my father worked for Ruston's in the 60s I will pass the > > question onto him and see if he can shed any light on the matter. > > > > Aidrian > > > > > > > > From: smperry@mindspring.com > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Date: 13 August 1999 03:41 > > Subject: Re: WW1 Tanks on History Channel Now! > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >>- JCG > > >> > > >Speaking of WWI Tanks. A British fellow at work has a hood ornament his > > Dad > > >had to take off his vehicle to satisfy some EU law. It is called a > Lincoln > > >Imp and is supposed to resemble a carving on the cathedral at Lincoln , > > >England. He told me that they used to put them on WWI tanks that were > built > > >near there (name of the burg starts with an R, but I can't remember). > > > > > >Anyone know about this? I have a scan of the ornament on another computer > > >and will make it available to anyone interested enough to contact me off > > >list. > > > > > >sp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1773 **********************