WWI Digest 1771 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: WW1 Tanks on History Channel Now! by smperry@mindspring.com 2) Re: RE: yipeee!!!! by "cameron rile" 3) Re: New to the list by smperry@mindspring.com 4) Re: New to the list by Zulis@aol.com 5) Re: New to the list by Albatrosdv@aol.com 6) Re: Vac vs Resin by Ernest Thomas 7) Re: New to the list by "DAVID BURKE" 8) Gotha! by "DAVID BURKE" 9) Re: Hi Eric! by "DAVID BURKE" 10) Re: Nieuport 27 parts manual and plans by Ernest Thomas 11) RE: New to the list by Shane Weier 12) Re: Speaking of Bombers (Was Re: CSM plea ... Gotha by roguerpj 13) Re: Nieuport 27 parts manual and plans by Ernest Thomas 14) Re: CSM plea - 72 scale detail sales. by Brent & Tina Theobald 15) Re: New to the list by Ernest Thomas 16) Re: Gotha! by "PETER LEONARD" 17) RE: RE: yipeee!!!! by Shane Weier 18) Re: What do you like at model shows? by Ernest Thomas 19) Cost of injection molding, was Re: Windsock 15-4 by Ernest Thomas 20) RE: What do you like at model shows? by Shane Weier 21) Re: Gotha! by Brent & Tina Theobald 22) Re: CSM plea by Ernest Thomas 23) Re: CSM plea - 72 scale detail sales. by David & Carol Fletcher 24) Re: What do you like at model shows? by Ernest Thomas 25) Re: WW1 Tanks on History Channel Now! by Mike Fletcher 26) Re: Gotha! by Mike Fletcher 27) The Lincoln Imp by "Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton" 28) Re: WW1 Tanks on History Channel Now! by David & Carol Fletcher 29) WWI Tents by "d mather" 30) Re: Cost of injection molding, was Re: Windsock 15-4 by Albatrosdv@aol.com 31) Re: Cost of injection molding, was Re: Windsock 15-4 by Albatrosdv@aol.com 32) Re: WWI Tents by Albatrosdv@aol.com 33) Ruston Imp (Was Re: WW1 Tanks on History Channel Now!) by "Bob Pearson" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 23:14:00 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: WW1 Tanks on History Channel Now! Message-ID: <012501bee539$e3f16fe0$312c45cf@default> >Could it be a Ruston Imp (IIRC) thumbing its nose a'la Barker's famous one? > >For those among the unknowing .. it was thought that Barker had a tin >cutout of a devil thumbing its nose on his camel. . instead it turns out to >be a hood ornament and other Italian Camels carried it as well. > >Bob Yes, Ruston is the name of the town Nick mentioned. The figure is stabding on one leg and has a hand to it's face IIRC. Hace to get the image off the other computer tomorrow. sp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 23:15:55 -0400 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: RE: yipeee!!!! Message-ID: <199908122011304@cameron.prontomail.com> Shane, >At this point I have completed >Issota Fraschini engine block (master, I'll cast three for >the model) Cylinder for above (or rather, cylinder pair, I'll >cast 9 pairs)Martini MG (master, cast a couple) How do you do your moulds? and what material did you use to cast with? If you do more than one casting of the same item, what moulding method do you use that is not lost mould method? cam ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail and Homepage at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 23:17:26 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: New to the list Message-ID: <012c01bee53a$5ece6100$312c45cf@default> >Hi guys, > >I'm new to the list and just getting back into the hobby after a hiatus. >I did throw together a few shots of past projects on my web page. Excuse >the quality, I shot them with a PC cam, but if you want to take a look >it's http://www.total.net/~daveb/F2B.html. > >That's all for now.. > >Dave Berry Welcome Dave: Real nice job on a tough kit. even the PC cam couldn't hide those nice double wires. You've come to the right place to be if you are getting back into the hobby. Regards sp > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 23:35:54 EDT From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New to the list Message-ID: In a message dated 99-08-12 22:59:49 EDT, you write: << Hi guys, I'm new to the list and just getting back into the hobby after a hiatus. I did throw together a few shots of past projects on my web page. Excuse the quality, I shot them with a PC cam, but if you want to take a look it's http://www.total.net/~daveb/F2B.html. That's all for now.. Dave Berry >> Welcome, Dave! Glad to see you on the list - I think you will like it here. And, judging by the work on your site, I think you'll be contributing a lot, too. You should know that we have so many Daves here (even more than one Dave B) that they have been numbered..... you are Dave #14. Regards, Dave Z (Dave #13) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 23:38:38 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New to the list Message-ID: In a message dated 99-08-12 23:20:16 EDT, you write: << http://www.total.net/~daveb/F2B.html. >> You could have told me that was the new Aeroclub 1/48 kit and I would have believed you!! *Really* nice work, considering what a reeker you had to start with. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 22:46:48 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Vac vs Resin Message-ID: <37B39528.CDD@bellsouth.net> Brent & Tina Theobald wrote: > > About the resin Gotha... I would like to suggest that kit manufacturers > consider making resin fuselages and details but use vacuforming for the > wings. Sounds like a pretty good idea to me. E. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 22:41:38 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: New to the list Message-ID: <008601bee53f$6a2bac60$1c05c0d1@dora9sprynet.com> Hi Dave, What quality are you wanting us to excuse? Excellent job! The photos are good and I have yet to do double rigging in ham-fist scale. Very nice! Dave Burke 'He who hesitates is not neccessarily lost, he might be waiting for a bus'. >Hi guys, > >I'm new to the list and just getting back into the hobby after a hiatus. >I did throw together a few shots of past projects on my web page. Excuse >the quality, I shot them with a PC cam, but if you want to take a look >it's http://www.total.net/~daveb/F2B.html. > >That's all for now.. > >Dave Berry > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 22:48:26 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Gotha! Message-ID: <008701bee53f$6afe3ea0$1c05c0d1@dora9sprynet.com> >to all, >on the wings for a gotha, we would do all resin by doing the wings in >sections that would be pinned together for allignment and strength. you >would have major problems with a one piece plastic wing.(imho) i just >don't feel(now my prejudice is showing) that vac is a valid median. i know >boo hiss, but that's the way i feel. maybe it works in 1/72 but not in >1/48 or bigger. the quality of the resin and casting determines alot of >how the product comes out. >eric Well Buddy, I'd hate to disagree with you about pinned-resin wing sections versus vac, but I reckon that I will anyway. A 2-stage vac machine (suction and blowing - NO JOKES PLEASE) is able to get detail that is nearly as good as injection, especially when using a female mold. Wing spars could easily kill warpage and could be added during construction. My concern is that should I start tampering with a model that size, my arms might go numb from lifting all of that weight, and I'd botch the rigging and detail work :). But, I own your kits and see what you can definitely do, so who knows. Maybe hollow-cast resin wings - even with brass sparring or something? I need sleep. DB ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 22:53:30 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Hi Eric! Message-ID: <008901bee53f$6c98b4c0$1c05c0d1@dora9sprynet.com> Matt: >Personally, the ultimate WW1 kit (especially in the Proper Scale) would >be vac wings with injected and/or resin everything else Proper Scale? Matt, have you been converted to 1/48? I thought that you liked the little 'uns! :D DB ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 22:57:43 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Nieuport 27 parts manual and plans Message-ID: <37B397B7.5BE6@bellsouth.net> Modelhound@aol.com wrote: > > Well, MOST of the people who ordered this set from me have sent a check. I confess, I still haven't sent the check yet.(head hung low, eyes cast downward, heart full of shame) Sorry, still recovering from the Nats and trying to make the last $29.00 in my checking account last the week. However, I now have the checkbook in hand, a pen in the other. I'm writing the check right now. There, it's written. Now it's in the envelope and I'll address and stamp it as soon as I finish this post. Forgive my tardiness. :( E. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:59:35 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: New to the list Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD4759EF@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Dave Berry says: > > I'm new to the list and just getting back into the hobby > after a hiatus. Welcome ! http://www.total.net/~daveb/F2B.html. > Mate, maaaaate, what a beautiful subject. And a damn fine model too. Hope you enjoy it here in the zoo Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 23:14:25 -0500 From: roguerpj To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Speaking of Bombers (Was Re: CSM plea ... Gotha Message-ID: <37B39BA1.DD2E4537@black-hole.com> yaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!! that's it I'll mortgage the house. By the time the landlord finds out I'll be in Bogota. yaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh!!!!!!!!! :) Guess I'll have to settle for 1/72 good thing I swing both ways. (No what Ernest I didn't me it that way) rob Albatrosdv@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 99-08-12 18:49:26 EDT, you write: > > << > Is there a 1/48 scale kit of the HP 0/400. If so who makes it. What kind > of kit. etc....... > > rob johnson > >> > > No, but if you want to mortgage your house, I know of a professionally built > model that is for sale. See it on the cover of the October or November 1998 > "Internet Modeler." Built by a list member!! :-) > > Tom C -- roguerpj "Its not you. My spell checker couldn't figure it out either." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 23:02:18 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Nieuport 27 parts manual and plans Message-ID: <37B398CA.1D6D@bellsouth.net> Matthew E Bittner wrote: > The "package" that Mike put together is excellent. The Hardesty drawings > are excellent as well. > > For those who have the Tom's conversion, you're doing yourself a > disservice by not asking Mike for copies. There's enough there to make a > master up in 1/72nd...hmmm... At the risk of sounding like one of the legion duped by the flamming nazi gas bag(no, not the Hindenburg), Ditto to that. Best seven sheckles I ever spent. Except for that night in Matamoras, but she was only $5.00. :) E. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 23:02:55 -0700 From: Brent & Tina Theobald To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: CSM plea - 72 scale detail sales. Message-ID: <37B3B50E.155F940A@airmail.net> ERIC HIGHT wrote: > to all, > on the wings for a gotha, we would do all resin by doing the wings in > sections that would be pinned together for allignment and strength. Just like the TC Vimy. It is still going to be heavy. Whatever... I'll will be one of the first in line to buy one :) Has anyone tried the Felixstowe from Lone Star Models? It is basically a vac with resin details from what I understand. Sounds interesting at half the price of a TC Models resin kit. I might be going to Austin for their show in a week, maybe Lone Star Models will be there. Then I might get a peek at it. Brent ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 23:10:03 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New to the list Message-ID: <37B39A9B.10E6@bellsouth.net> Dave Berry wrote: > I'm new to the list and just getting back into the hobby after a hiatus. Hi Dave, Welcome aboard. Nice Biff. E. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 21:12:03 PDT From: "PETER LEONARD" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Gotha! Message-ID: <19990813041204.76126.qmail@hotmail.com> This may be a load of old bollocks (first showing to-day) but I was giving some thought to this problem at about the time I jacked it in. I wondered if it might be possible to cast a large thick section wing in two stages. First a central core in polyurathane foam for strength and lightness, then a thin shell of standard resin for the detail. I planned to use two molds, but figured that I saved in resin would more than off set the cost. I never did get around to trying it, but what do the pros think? Peter Leonard IPMS UK Lancashire & Cheshire Branch http://www.storks.cwc.net http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com PeterL@cwcom.net ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:11:51 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: RE: yipeee!!!! Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD4759F0@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Cam, > >At this point I have completed > >Issota Fraschini engine block (master, I'll cast three for > >the model) Cylinder for above (or rather, cylinder pair, I'll > >cast 9 pairs)Martini MG (master, cast a couple) > > > How do you do your moulds? and what material did you use to > cast with? If you do more than one casting of the same item, > what moulding method do you use that is not lost mould method? So far I have masters only, and no RTV or resin - since I find it dies quickly in our climate and is too bloody expensive to waste. And my supplier is defunct BUT....a new one will be at our show on 21/22 August and I'll buy there. In essence, I'll make them the same way Eric would, but not so professionally. I'll use RTV to make two part moulds and cast with poly resin until I get enough useable parts. Since I'm not selling them I can put up with and repair a few pinholes (even bigger bubbles), but using my dodgy vacuum chamber to deair the RTV and a mates pressure chamber to cast I can get usefull parts three out of four times. Or could.... Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 23:15:51 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: What do you like at model shows? Message-ID: <37B39BF7.27C@bellsouth.net> Shane Weier wrote: > We had few contest categories so the winners really had to compete and > trophies didn't break us. Have y'all tried to find some corporate sposorship? Dave Orek(Orek XL Vacuum cleaners) has been buying the trophies for our local contest for the past few years. He's a pilot, so can appreciate a good looking model airplane. Maybe you guys in the UK should contact what's his face? from Virgin. Branson, that's it. Just a thought. E. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 23:33:53 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Cost of injection molding, was Re: Windsock 15-4 Message-ID: <37B3A031.2D25@bellsouth.net> Michael Kendix wrote: > I am no expert, but I would think that the set-up costs of the injection > molded kits are the main barriers. Once these have been surmounted, the > cost of producing a kit is very low; possibly only a couple of dollars. I'm no expert either, but FSM did a piece a while back on how injection models are produced, from start to finish. Iirc, they(Testors) said it cost about $125,000 to have a mold made. And that was just the cost of the mold. Then there's the very large master that has to be built, the mold of that so the machine shop can pantograph it down to 1/48, and then it gets sent off to someone else for the final engraving for detail. Testors claims they need $300,000 in sales to justify making a new mold. Several variants of the same a/c help make it feasable. That might be why there's models of EVERY variant ever made of the oneohthingie. E. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:35:10 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: What do you like at model shows? Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD4759F1@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Ernie, > > We had few contest categories so the winners really had to > compete and trophies didn't break us. > > Have y'all tried to find some corporate sposorship? In this instance I was talking about Year Zero, when we had no money and no track record. *Now* our trophies (and table hire for the contest, and printing of thousands of entry forms and fliers) are paid for by a nice little group of about 30 sponsors acquired in the intervening years. In return they get advertised on the back of entry forms, on fliers and at the show. Last year (at my suggestion, and one I'm rather pleased with) we went over to medals instead of tacky trophy shop plaques or trophies. The medals have the show logo on the obverse, and contest section and year engraved on the reverse, and come in a nice presentation case which opens and becomes a sort of display stand. They cost less (marginally) and look LOTS more professional. Having pointed out that the contest is entirely funded by sponsors, I'll add that entrants still pay per model entered. Using that and a very low A$3 (about US$2) entry fee, we pay the thousands for the venue and all our operating costs, maintain about $8k in the bank to ensure next years show will run even if the sponsors abandon us, and should still be able to hand off between $3k and $5k to this years charity Incidentally, we went all charitable and have a (modeller) lawyer establishing a charitable trust because we have become *too* sucessfull, and in danger of drawing the attention of the Taxation Department -- IRS -- with attendant requirements for accountants, solicitors, auditors etc. all of which would have perversely sent us broke again! Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 23:33:33 -0700 From: Brent & Tina Theobald To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Gotha! Message-ID: <37B3BC3C.9C844043@airmail.net> Howdy howdy howdy, PETER LEONARD wrote: > I wondered if it might be possible to cast a large thick section wing in two > stages. First a central core in polyurathane foam for strength and > lightness, then a thin shell of standard resin for the detail. I planned to > use two molds, but figured that I saved in resin would more than off set the > cost. I never did get around to trying it, but what do the pros think? I have no experience casting resin, but I can tell you that this is done in the plastics industry. It is called over molding. You have probably even handled a few over molded parts. It is a hard plastic base with a softer plastic, or rubber, molded over it. It is real popular with hand held electronics right now. There is a precedent. Your idea might work.... Later! Brent ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 23:38:10 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: CSM plea Message-ID: <37B3A132.449D@bellsouth.net> ERIC HIGHT wrote: > > ernie, > have to second you on guitar strings easy to work with, doesn't destroy > your tools and doesn't droop if installed properly. on the ball as usual. > eric Eric, So did you happen to pick up any of that .0053 surgical steel wire from that guy in Orlando? He was the vendor with the pile of Aroura Gothas for 40.00 a pop. Haven't tried any yet, but it looks great in the tube. But I have a feeling it's gonna make all my guitar string models look like they were rigged with ropes. E. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 20:30:58 -0700 From: David & Carol Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: CSM plea - 72 scale detail sales. Message-ID: <37B39172.74F6@mars.ark.com> ERIC HIGHT wrote: "you would have major problems with a one piece plastic wing.(imho) i just don't feel(now my prejudice is showing) that vac is a valid median." I only build 1/48th or bigger (well, except for aeroplanes I've flown - I can imagine my wife's reaction to a 1/48th scale E-3A...) and there are some pretty large vacform kits with no wing problems. Take a look at the MPM WWII kits - I won't mention the names to avoid a flame war - but there are some impressive Russian and German types that compare well with injection moulded kits and they all use vacform as the primary medium. Resin is temperamental at times, and the thought of pinning together the multi-part wings of a Gotha sends shudders up my spine. But then there are the BM wings that may have caused you concern... But, it's your project and your investment, so do what you are comfortable with and what you can sell! Dave Fletcher (confirmed vacform addict) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 23:52:00 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: What do you like at model shows? Message-ID: <37B3A470.36CB@bellsouth.net> Shane Weier wrote: (snips) > Last year (at my suggestion, and one I'm rather pleased with) we went over > to medals instead of tacky trophy shop plaques or trophies. (snip) mmmm.... Our club does the trophy plaque thing and I guess I sorta like them. They look good all piled up on the top shelf out of site. The Baton Rough club does the medals, but they buy generic looking things that end up in my daughters toy box. So get this; That third place I took in Orlando, NOWHERE on the award does it say IPMS National Convention. What a bunch of chowderheads. > Having pointed out that the contest is entirely funded by sponsors, I'll add > that entrants still pay per model entered. Using that and a very low A$3 > (about US$2) entry fee, we pay the thousands for the venue and all our > operating costs, maintain about $8k in the bank to ensure next years show > will run even if the sponsors abandon us, and should still be able to hand > off between $3k and $5k to this years charity > I'm impressed. I have no idea what out local club balance is. The way we price the entry fee is five or ten(CRS) dollars for the first five models, and one dollar for each additional entry. Juniors are free. E. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 22:10:47 -0700 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: WW1 Tanks on History Channel Now! Message-ID: <37B3A8D7.394006B4@mars.ark.com> Mercedes modified its hood ornament so it would fold back if hit so as to not impale the occasional pedestrain flying over the hood - perhaps a law was passed making this manditory? -- Mike Fletcher ___ ., mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; mikef@sparc.nic.bc.ca |--n--""*" icq=19554083 @ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 22:13:48 -0700 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Gotha! Message-ID: <37B3A98C.8DCA8420@mars.ark.com> Why not do the wings in fiberglass? The rigidity if plastic and no sanding. -- Mike Fletcher ___ ., mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; mikef@sparc.nic.bc.ca |--n--""*" icq=19554083 @ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 06:13:07 +0100 From: "Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton" To: Subject: The Lincoln Imp Message-ID: <00d101bee54a$ab432ec0$2b25fad4@pc0973> I lived in Lincoln for a few years - the Lincoln Imp is as you say a carving in the choir of the cathedral, and is very much the city's emblem - Lincoln City FC are sometimes known as the Imps. Legend has it that it's not a carving, but a real imp that was turned to stone. The cathedral itself is one of the real glories of English building, set high on a hill and visible for miles around. If there is low lying mist you get a rather wonderful effect as you approach the city,as under some conditions the cathedral can appear to be floating in the sky. Back to the question; There were four major OT contractors in the city; Ruston's, Robey's, Clayton and Shuttleworth and Foster's. All were originally manufacturers of agricultural equipment - notably traction engines. OTTOMH I couldn' say which of these used the Imp as a badge - quite possibly more than one of them - but since my father worked for Ruston's in the 60s I will pass the question onto him and see if he can shed any light on the matter. Aidrian From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Multiple recipients of list Date: 13 August 1999 03:41 Subject: Re: WW1 Tanks on History Channel Now! > > >> >> >>- JCG >> >Speaking of WWI Tanks. A British fellow at work has a hood ornament his Dad >had to take off his vehicle to satisfy some EU law. It is called a Lincoln >Imp and is supposed to resemble a carving on the cathedral at Lincoln , >England. He told me that they used to put them on WWI tanks that were built >near there (name of the burg starts with an R, but I can't remember). > >Anyone know about this? I have a scan of the ornament on another computer >and will make it available to anyone interested enough to contact me off >list. > >sp > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 21:25:21 -0700 From: David & Carol Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: WW1 Tanks on History Channel Now! Message-ID: <37B39E19.1058@mars.ark.com> Mike Fletcher wrote: "Mercedes modified its hood ornament so it would fold back if hit so as to not impale the occasional pedestrain flying over the hood - perhaps a law was passed making this manditory?" If you had asked the occupant of the next room, you needn't have asked the question... The Mercedes star was made to fold back to comply with a Swiss law forbidding fixed hood ornaments, since they had a tendency to poke holes in the lederhosen of careless pedestrians. And that was long before Ralph Nader! I understand Rolls-Royce now have retractable hood ornaments so they won't be stolen while the vehicle is parked, and they are flexibly mounted to meet the safety requirement. If current practices were applied to WWI, the ring and bead sight would have to be foldable to prevent injury to opposing pilots parachuting from their Fokkers... Dave Fletcher (who might just mount a Mercedes star on his aircraft as a gunsight...;) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 23:08:22 PDT From: "d mather" To: janski@ionet.net Cc: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: WWI Tents Message-ID: <19990813060822.85779.qmail@hotmail.com> Hi Tom, It was me that posted that request to you guys. I just have the usual pics of the airplanes lined in front of the tents in all the usual books (and my library is woefully small!) But it does seem a really worthy project that could be produced inexpensively, basically cut out, add stacks and tent poles (and of course, rigging) and paint. Then, line up your planes for a photo shoot session! Viola! doug PS - thanks for seriously considering, and put me down as a customer if it comes to production. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 02:16:56 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Cost of injection molding, was Re: Windsock 15-4 Message-ID: In a message dated 99-08-13 00:36:12 EDT, you write: << I'm no expert either, but FSM did a piece a while back on how injection models are produced, from start to finish. Iirc, they(Testors) said it cost about $125,000 to have a mold made. And that was just the cost of the mold. Then there's the very large master that has to be built, the mold of that so the machine shop can pantograph it down to 1/48, and then it gets sent off to someone else for the final engraving for detail. Testors claims they need $300,000 in sales to justify making a new mold. Several variants of the same a/c help make it feasable. That might be why there's models of EVERY variant ever made of the oneohthingie. >> Bill Bosworth has mentioned the sum of $250,000 whenever I have spoken with him about the cost of doing a kit. That's from first mold to the truck drops off the container full of bagged plastic outside the warehouse. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 02:19:54 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Cost of injection molding, was Re: Windsock 15-4 Message-ID: <5f64009a.24e5130a@aol.com> In a message dated 99-08-13 00:36:12 EDT, you write: << Several variants of the same a/c help make it feasable. That might be why there's models of EVERY variant ever made of the oneohthingie. >> This is absolutely the case. Jules Bringuer had the Boeings designed on their trees so the fuselages could be changed. With the same wings and horizontal stabilizer and landing gear, if sales justify it he can bring out the F4B-3 and the F4B-2/P-12C. It's why he is thinking so seriously about the Curtiss Hawk series - P-1, P-6E, F-11C-2, BFC-2, they all had the same wings and tail surfaces. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 02:25:06 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: WWI Tents Message-ID: In a message dated 99-08-13 02:10:45 EDT, you write: << But it does seem a really worthy project that could be produced inexpensively, basically cut out, add stacks and tent poles (and of course, rigging) and paint. Then, line up your planes for a photo shoot session! Viola! >> Anyone who is thinking of doing this should talk to RK, who made a full-size tent hangar in 1/48 for his Rickenbacker diorama. The thing is big enough that there are three Nieuports inside with lots of room left over! (I always told him he should have molded one roof panel in clear plastic, since it is *impossible* to see everything inside there.) BTW - I saw his e-mail handle on the AOL buddies list a moment earlier, so they must be back from vacation and all jet-lagged. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 22:30:22 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Ruston Imp (Was Re: WW1 Tanks on History Channel Now!) Message-ID: <199908130639.XAA00712@mail.rapidnet.net> Steve, Cool. Sign me up for a copy. In the meantime I have a basic image of the imp in outline on my Barker page in the features section of my site at http://members.xoom.com/Sopwith_5F1/Barker/barker.htm And I don't think I'm giving anything away by saying that list member Andy Kemp has written an artilce for C&C on the Imp for which I have provided illustrations of said creature (it has been mentioned in the past here). Bob > > >>Could it be a Ruston Imp (IIRC) thumbing its nose a'la Barker's famous one? >> >>For those among the unknowing .. it was thought that Barker had a tin >>cutout of a devil thumbing its nose on his camel. . instead it turns out to >>be a hood ornament and other Italian Camels carried it as well. >> >>Bob > > > Yes, Ruston is the name of the town Nick mentioned. The figure is stabding > on one leg and has a hand to it's face IIRC. Hace to get the image off the > other computer tomorrow. > sp ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1771 **********************