WWI Digest 1767 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: The Alb C III by Bill Shatzer 2) Re: CSM plea - 72 scale detail sales. by "Sandy Adam" 3) Windhoff and other stuff by "dfernet0" 4) RE: CSM plea - 72 scale detail sales. by "dfernet0" 5) Re: The Alb C III by "Mark L. Shannon" 6) Re: CSM plea - 72 scale detail sales. by BEN8800@aol.com 7) Toko Gotha by "Michael Kendix" 8) NASM Fokker D-VII by Jim Landon 9) Re: RMS & Model shows by Shane & Lorna Jenkins 10) Re: RMS & Model shows by Albatrosdv@aol.com 11) Re: CSM plea - 72 scale detail sales. by ERIC HIGHT 12) Re: Toko Gotha by "PETER LEONARD" 13) Intro and Nieuport questions by "Knasinski, Joseph" 14) Avions n.77 and SAM 21/6 - August by Pedro e Francisca Soares 15) Re: Windsock 15-4 by Pedro e Francisca Soares 16) Re: Intro and Nieuport questions by Pedro e Francisca Soares 17) RE: Intro and Nieuport questions by "dfernet0" 18) Re: Intro and Nieuport questions by "Lance Krieg" 19) Re: Intro and Nieuport questions by Ernest Thomas 20) Re: Intro and Nieuport questions by "DAVID BURKE" 21) Re: Windsock 15-4 by "PETER LEONARD" 22) Re: CSM plea by "d mather" 23) Re: Intro and Nieuport questions by Mike Fletcher 24) Re: CSM plea - 72 scale detail sales. by "Len Smith" 25) Re: Intro and Nieuport questions by "Bob Pearson" 26) Re: CSM plea by ERIC HIGHT 27) Re: CSM plea - 72 scale detail sales. by "PETER LEONARD" 28) Re: CSM plea ... Gotha by "Lance Krieg" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 23:53:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill Shatzer To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: The Alb C III Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Aug 1999, Russell W Niles wrote: > Hi gang > Getting along smartly on the CIII, Last weekend saw the interior > scratchbuilt from sheet and strip. The PE does not fit at all, so I used > it for a pattern and built my own. > However (always is something right?) I am now ready to paint and drop the > white metal engine in the hole. This thing feels awful heavy. Anyone > out there that has built this thing, know if it will sit on its tail like > a real aeroplane with the white metal engine in it? > It really needs to be a tail dragger. I don't think you're likely to have a problem. After all, the weight ratios between the engine and the empenage on the 1:1 scale prototpye is unlikely to have had more rearward bias than on yer model. REAL motors were heavy as well while spruce (or metal tubing) and fabric were pretty light - generally lighter, proportionally, than plastic. I've never had a problem with a tail-sitter model ending up as a nose-sitter. Still, if you are concerned, you can alway fix the white metal motor roughly in place on the nose with a bit of modeling clay and see how it balances out. Cheers and all, ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 09:35:30 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: CSM plea - 72 scale detail sales. Message-ID: <008c01bee49d$ba73c420$18e8b094@sandyada> >two reasons: too small to do other than in decals and 72nd details don't >sell, at least mine don't. I can understand this. I think most general 1/72 modellers put far less detail into their models than their 1/48 brethren. Of course their are a number of highly respected exceptions - including Matt and Husted - whose detailed work in this tiny scale is staggering. However if I were building in 1/72, I'd not bother with proper dials and switches etc as they would be too obscure to see properly (IMHO). I think the general move towards 1/48 is symptomatic of modellers wishing to be able to carry out much more detail work. I believe more 1/48 scale modellers will put in switches, dials, cable clips, engine wiring etc which few 1/72 modellers would attempt. Of course when it IS done in 1/72, it is even more amazing. I regard 48 as the scale of the detail freak (and thus perversely, in fact, the scale requiring the best eyesight!) As more modellers tune in to detail work, many will migrate to a scale where it can be achieved more satisfactorily. Don't wish to continue a flame war, (and don't wish to be bellicose - or should that be bollockose?), but I do expect more detail sets to sell in 1/48. Eric's comments seem to bear this out. Can I just say again that a really well made 1/72 model can be an exquisite jewel and I marvelled at length at the fabulous little Gotha at the UK Nats last year - to those who create these miniature miniatures - my unreserved admiration. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 07:51:00 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: "WW1 modeling Mail List" Subject: Windhoff and other stuff Message-ID: <007d01bee3e7$664faa00$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Hi list It wasn't the end of the world, then.... :-) Every eclipse I freak out the same way, I'm a very impressionable bloke, you know. Since I was thrown at the limbo for about two days (seems that some listees have had problems lately), I read the postings from the web site archive, but today I'm here again. Thanks for the kind words about my technique to do the radiators. But all the credit must go to the list members that sent me a copy of Harry Woodman's book. This darn little book is very useful and it makes you want to make everything from scratch. Even though, I'm not overly satisfied with the results I've got and maybe next time that I'll do radiators I can fix some things better. If I get a better approach to this, I'll post it here. The review of the Taube is very useful, since I bought the kit last week and I'm waiting anxiously to the postman to see how it is. D. It's a pity that I wasn't here when the thread about the topless mud wrestling was around :-( ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 08:12:40 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: CSM plea - 72 scale detail sales. Message-ID: <008901bee3ea$6d7ccb20$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Sandy I agree completely with you. I feel that if I build in 1/48, I can put a lot more of detail, much more than in 1/72. Even so, there's a lot you can do to improve a 1/72 model and switches, levers, dials and rudder bars are features big enough to be seen in a little scale and be appreciated as well as in 1/48, 1/32 or 1/28. Sometimes, I like to make some details from scratch, but there's many items so difficult to replicate well that are better to buy than to make, specially when you need more than one. For instance, machine guns, dial faces, buckles, bomb racks, etc. Maybe Eric has a point when he told us about the low sales of these 1/72 sets, but even so I think that as long as I build kits in 1/72 I would buy some aftermarket items of the most important details that the kit manufacturer don't provide in the package. Maybe the solution is that the 1/72 kits were issued with a PE+resin detailing set for the advanced modeler, as Eduard does with their profi-packs. The manufacturer of such details then has a new market to sell his products, IMHO. D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Sandy Adam To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, August 12, 1999 5:36 AM Subject: Re: CSM plea - 72 scale detail sales. > >two reasons: too small to do other than in decals and 72nd details don't > >sell, at least mine don't. > > I can understand this. I think most general 1/72 modellers put far less > detail into their models than their 1/48 brethren. Of course their are a > number of highly respected exceptions - including Matt and Husted - whose > detailed work in this tiny scale is staggering. > > However if I were building in 1/72, I'd not bother with proper dials and > switches etc as they would be too obscure to see properly (IMHO). I think > the general move towards 1/48 is symptomatic of modellers wishing to be able > to carry out much more detail work. I believe more 1/48 scale modellers will > put in switches, dials, cable clips, engine wiring etc which few 1/72 > modellers would attempt. Of course when it IS done in 1/72, it is even more > amazing. > > I regard 48 as the scale of the detail freak (and thus perversely, in fact, > the scale requiring the best eyesight!) As more modellers tune in to detail > work, many will migrate to a scale where it can be achieved more > satisfactorily. > > Don't wish to continue a flame war, (and don't wish to be bellicose - or > should that be bollockose?), but I do expect more detail sets to sell in > 1/48. Eric's comments seem to bear this out. > > Can I just say again that a really well made 1/72 model can be an exquisite > jewel and I marvelled at length at the fabulous little Gotha at the UK Nats > last year - to those who create these miniature miniatures - my unreserved > admiration. > Sandy > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 08:01:24 -0500 From: "Mark L. Shannon" To: Subject: Re: The Alb C III Message-ID: <199908121302.IAA06233@dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com> It's fine. It does want to sit very horizontally while constructing, but since I finished mine it hasn't shown any tendency to try to stand on its nose -- I guess it's not really accurate, is it. I had the same trouble with the PE cockpit. I carved out much of the interior of the fuselage, which is very thick. I think if I were to build another, I would do a combination of thinning the sides and putting a shim into the joint between the fuselage halves -- the observer's coaming would fit better that way. Also, be very careful when you put in the vertical tail surfaces -- there is a kind of guidance mark on the piece, but it tends to make the tail sit too high, messing up the fit of the tailplane struts and the run of the control lines. I drilled through the lower wing locators and used .020 piano wire for wing spars to secure the wings, the provided locators don't look like they would stand up to much. I don't know if your kit's wings are as curved as mine were -- I had to straighten them to prevent them from having 20 degrees of dihedral and an exaggerated sweeping curve out to the wingtips. Both wings had identical sweeps, so it may have been a designed part of the kit. My biggest headache was trying to get the bomb chutes in the proper place and hence the cockpit properly located, I think mine is just a hair too far forward. I thought the kits Parabellum for the observer was a bit heavy handed -- I replaced it with one from the Tom's Modelworks set. It was a pain getting the mount and the gun on so that the slightest breeze didn't knock them off. I kept the bracket portion of the forward Spandau syncronization connector but replaced the shaft portion with round wire. I added a copper wires to represent the radiator lines and drain. One of the other things to watch out for is getting the correct "sit" to the main gear struts. It is easy to make it more splayed out or more upright than the real thing, so you need some good guidance on these. They don't give much guidance on the run of the brake-claw wires -- there is a tiny grommet-like piece of brass that you add on the underside -- this is the location of the "brake line" for applying the brake (to the plain end of the lever) the counter line, which seems to be a bungee-spring-type affair, seems to attach to the lever just as it widens into the claw and tie off at either the top of the port gear strut or to the cross-over point of the strut bracing. .Mark. ---------- > From: Russell W Niles > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: The Alb C III > Date: Thursday, August 12, 1999 12:23 AM > > Hi gang > Getting along smartly on the CIII, Last weekend saw the interior > scratchbuilt from sheet and strip. The PE does not fit at all, so I used > it for a pattern and built my own. > However (always is something right?) I am now ready to paint and drop the > white metal engine in the hole. This thing feels awful heavy. Anyone > out there that has built this thing, know if it will sit on its tail like > a real aeroplane with the white metal engine in it? > It really needs to be a tail dragger. > Thanks for the help guys and gals. > > Russ Niles IPMS 4450 > Too close for missiles....switching to guns. > > ___________________________________________________________________ > Get the Internet just the way you want it. > Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! > Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 09:59:04 EDT From: BEN8800@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: CSM plea - 72 scale detail sales. Message-ID: I think details are a matter of self satisfaction, knowing that its there, and having fun doing it. However, there are times when the overall view is the important issue. In my case, I house all my models in a large glass case. Once in the case, you can't see any cockpit details at all.So, I often just omit these details, because I will never see them again once the model is cased. Also, you have time for more models if detail is eliminated. Show models are a different story but I don't show so my own preference is what's important to me. For my own collection I just want to lood at it and see its a Camel or whatever. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 07:18:00 PDT From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Toko Gotha Message-ID: <19990812141801.34699.qmail@hotmail.com> I saw mention of a Gotha V (?) coming out from Toko. Is ita 'V" and does anyone know a web address with a picture of this eroplane? Michael _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 09:50:42 -0700 From: Jim Landon To: mdf@mars.ark.com Cc: Jim Landon , WWI List Subject: NASM Fokker D-VII Message-ID: <37B2FB5A.DE4186C2@lmco.com> Just now stumbled upon Mike Fletcher's NASM Fokker D-VII photos recently added to Allan's site. Great job of photography and scanning Mike. Downloaded all 5 for future reference. Thanks for contributing them. - Jim Landon, sending blind again, still in digest mode and hopelessly behind. Still sealing and sanding my Tommy fuselage so I can start assembling wings to it. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 02:08:04 +1000 From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins To: WW1 posts Subject: Re: RMS & Model shows Message-ID: <37B2F164.4F230EB9@tac.com.au> I wrote: >> But, there are a lot of helpful girls & guys there. The "white noise" componet is actually fairly low IMHO. Shane - white noise generator ;-þ << Tc wrote: >> Shane: You must have half the NG on "killfile" to be able to say that. Particularly the past few weeks. I mean, I really have had to reconsider my opinions of those who believe there are "space aliens" living among us, with r.m.s. as Exhibit A. Tom C << Hi Tom, Well actually no. I don't believe in killfiling anyone regardless of what they say. I just download the threads that interest me, rather than let the computer sort it out based on a killfile. To me, it's like chopping off your toe to spite your face. But then I freely admit to being another heretic in that regard, in that I don't generally follow the herd & killfile certain people who are not in favour at the moment. I stand by what I said, rms is a great place to find info & have fun. The people there are helpful & knowledgable(just like SMML & this list ;-)) ). As for the last few weeks, well it's been interesting, but since it was mainly dealing with the 2000 US Nats with many & varied posts on the matter, it's given me plenty of ideas of how to host future events in NSW(to bring it back to another current topic). In regards to models shows, I much prefer a show that is completely open to the public. This is mainly based on my experience of hosting a "closed" show, earlier this year. That way, you have more people coming thru the doors, & you may get better modellers attending & competing, who for whatever reason don't belong to a club. I also agree with StE said about the IPMS(UK) Nats, in that there are plenty of club & SIG displays there. This is a great way of promoting the hobby & getting new members for your club/SIG. We had a display table at the Challenge Shield & it was popular with the few members of the public we had attending. Regards, Shane - The Younger - Exhibit A ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 12:37:53 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: RMS & Model shows Message-ID: <85f22a06.24e45261@aol.com> In a message dated 99-08-12 12:08:14 EDT, you write: << I also agree with StE said about the IPMS(UK) Nats, in that there are plenty of club & SIG displays there. This is a great way of promoting the hobby & getting new members for your club/SIG. We had a display table at the Challenge Shield & it was popular with the few members of the public we had attending. >> I really wish this was done at the US Nats, since it would perhaps get people to start thinking of IPMS as a national *organization*, rather than as a place to give meaning to their lives through the collection of dust-catching cheap plastic pots and plaques. It might even promote, (shock!) a sense of "community" among modelers rather than the usual American all-against-all jungle. Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 09:53:34 -0700 From: ERIC HIGHT To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: CSM plea - 72 scale detail sales. Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990812095334.006cad60@pop.amug.org> sandy, you hit the nail on the head. very well said. eric someone asked what we have in 72:clerget,oberursul,spandaus & prop bosses. i've contacted roll model hobies several times and got no response. he did carry some of our stuff when stevens was buying from us(here's another econ lesson). stevens stopped buying from us because the hobby stores stopped buying which means they were not selling. you have to have *rabid* wwi buyer or buyers to stock the items we make because like a lot of the comments about the level of detail or lack of depending on your building preferences i think the *rabid* detailers(which i confess i am one) are in the minority. we sell direct to hobby stores so if you want them through your hobby store have call or buy direct from us. the distributors want such large discounts that it is difficult to deal with them. for example if we were to sell our kits to distributors they would have to be at least 30% higher in order to accomodate them. some people think our kits are all ready too exspensive. as to the 72 guage decals contact me off list and i will be happy to discuss it with you. eric ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 09:57:24 PDT From: "PETER LEONARD" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Toko Gotha Message-ID: <19990812165725.52667.qmail@hotmail.com> Fasten your seat belt Michael. Not only a V but a II, III, IV and VI. I mostly work in 1/48, but this has me drooling. I beleive Vamp's web site may have something on it Peter Leonard IPMS UK Lancashire & Cheshire Branch http://www.storks.cwc.net http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com PeterL@cwcom.net ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:19:35 -0400 From: "Knasinski, Joseph" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: Intro and Nieuport questions Message-ID: I just joined the list and thought I'd introduce myself and ask a couple of questions. I'm a 47 year old technical writer and my modeling has been mostly armor up until recently. Now I've become fascinated with WW1 aircraft. I think I'll learn quite a bit from this list. My current project is the Testor's 1/48 Nieuport 17 and I'd like to know if anyone has recommendations on detail parts to improve the model. Also, what are the best references for this aircraft? Any other Nieuport 17 kits recommended? I've never done rigging before, so I'm also collecting all the info I can on that topic. Any suggestions for this particular model? Thanks very much, Joseph Knasinski Information Developer Rockwell Software Inc. Milwaukee Wisconsin USA "Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, 'cuz you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup." - Anon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 16:57:37 +0100 From: Pedro e Francisca Soares To: WW1 modeling list Subject: Avions n.77 and SAM 21/6 - August Message-ID: <37B2EEF1.45BCFBB4@mail.telepac.pt> Avions On topic stuff: The Nieuport 17 in Russian skies, by Vicktor Kulikov. Plenty of photos and a detailed roster of all the Nieuport 17 and 23 used in Russia between 1917 and 1922. Off-topic but I've got to mention it since it's one of the best features I've seen in Avions so far, is the 3rd part of a running series on the Morane Saulnier MS225. Excellent coverage of this aircraft with many photos, detailed drawings and even a modeling feature dealing with the old Heller kit. Scale Aircraft Modelling OT A feature on scratbuilding a Friedrichshafen FF.33 by Joel Christy, with 3 view drawings of the FF49C / FF33H / FF33I / FF33J, by Peter Green. Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 18:05:31 +0100 From: Pedro e Francisca Soares To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Windsock 15-4 Message-ID: <37B2FEDB.8356F0FE@mail.telepac.pt> Knut Erik Hagen wrote: > Seems like Toko go for more WW1 aircraft and delay the planned WW2 ones... > Eduard list in 1/48 Pfalz D.IIIa, Sopwith F.1 Camel and Nieuport 11. > Seems like we are in for a busy fall. > > Eders > Knut Erik Talk about a resurgence in WW1.... I would love to know how many kits TOKO are selling of their WW1 items. All this makes you wonder about the usual argument for the major manufacturers not go WW1 or other less obvious route (I'm thinking racers from the 30's here....) since they couldn't sell enough kits to guarantee a profit... Just thinking out loud Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 18:24:32 +0100 From: Pedro e Francisca Soares To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Intro and Nieuport questions Message-ID: <37B30350.722554FD@mail.telepac.pt> "Knasinski, Joseph" wrote: > I just joined the list and thought I'd introduce myself and ask a couple of questions. I'm a 47 year old technical writer and my modeling has been mostly armor up until recently. Now I've become fascinated with WW1 aircraft. I think I'll learn quite a bit from this list. > > My current project is the Testor's 1/48 Nieuport 17 and I'd like to know if anyone has recommendations on detail parts to improve the model. Also, what are the best references for this aircraft? Any other Nieuport 17 kits recommended? I've never done rigging before, so I'm also collecting all the info I can on that topic. Any suggestions for this particular model? > > Thanks very much, > > Joseph Knasinski > Information Developer > Rockwell Software Inc. > Milwaukee Wisconsin USA > > "Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, 'cuz you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup." - Anon Joseph, Let me be the first to welcome you to The List, from sunny Portugal. As to Nieuports, you could not be in a better place. Mike Fletcher and Matt Bittner will tell you all you want to know, I'm sure.... Um abraco Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 14:33:47 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Intro and Nieuport questions Message-ID: <019701bee41f$ab005f40$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Welcome to the list, Joseph, you've arrived to the right place to have fun and get loads of information. We have here many Nieuport specialists, and I'm sure that they will be eager to help you as soon as they read your message. Look for the links page at the WW1 website, there you'll find Mike Fletcher's complete Nieuport Page. Recently (about 1 or 2 weeks) we had an extensive thread on this topic, and you can search it in the archives. Besides, I recommend you the Nieuport datafile, from Albatros Prod. Regards D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Knasinski, Joseph To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, August 12, 1999 2:19 PM Subject: Intro and Nieuport questions > I just joined the list and thought I'd introduce myself and ask a couple of questions. I'm a 47 year old technical writer and my modeling has been mostly armor up until recently. Now I've become fascinated with WW1 aircraft. I think I'll learn quite a bit from this list. > > My current project is the Testor's 1/48 Nieuport 17 and I'd like to know if anyone has recommendations on detail parts to improve the model. Also, what are the best references for this aircraft? Any other Nieuport 17 kits recommended? I've never done rigging before, so I'm also collecting all the info I can on that topic. Any suggestions for this particular model? > > Thanks very much, > > Joseph Knasinski > Information Developer > Rockwell Software Inc. > Milwaukee Wisconsin USA > > > "Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, 'cuz you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup." - Anon > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 12:38:44 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Intro and Nieuport questions Message-ID: Joseph Knasinski wonders: "My current project is the Testor's 1/48 Nieuport 17 and I'd like to know if anyone has recommendations on detail parts to improve the model. Also, what are the best references for this aircraft? Any other Nieuport 17 kits recommended? I've never done rigging before, so I'm also collecting all the info I can on that topic. Any suggestions for this particular model?" Well, Joseph, welcome aboard. You'll get more than you bargained for on your Nieuport question, I've no doubt, but since I'm in the same time zone, I'll take a crack. Detail parts...Tom's Modelworks has a brass set you can use, as well as conversion to models 23 and 27. References....Windsock Datafile Special, in two volumes, the sine qua non. Other models... in 1/48, the Eduard kit is far superior. I don't think anyone make one any smaller , not that a true modeler notices what goes on in 1/72. Rigging.... you picked a good first kit, as it is pretty simple. There are two schools of thought, the "monofilament brigade" (check out Dennis Ugulano's lengthy dissertation at his web site) or the "fuse wire battalion" (Peter Leonard discusses at HIS web site). I see Diego chiming in from Argentina, and Pedro in Portugal has responded as well, so you're off and running. Good luck and have fun. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 12:39:17 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Intro and Nieuport questions Message-ID: <37B306C5.1E50@bellsouth.net> Knasinski, Joseph wrote: > > I just joined the list and thought I'd introduce myself and ask a couple of questions. Hi Joe, Welcome to the list. I'm a 47 year old technical writer and my modeling has been mostly armor up until recently. Now I've become fascinated with WW1 aircraft. I think I'll learn quite a bit from this list. > Glad you finally saw the light. :) And yes, you will learn a lot. I've been here for a couple years now I think and just the other day, I learned a new word. :) > My current project is the Testor's 1/48 Nieuport 17 and I'd like to know if anyone has recommendations on detail parts to improve the model. Just wait a bit. Steve Perry will recomend his build notes for that model. A worthwhile read. Also, what are the best references for this aircraft? Any other Nieuport 17 kits recommended? I just built the Eduard N.17 Profipack and I highly recomend it. I've never done rigging before, so I'm also collecting all the info I can on that topic. Any suggestions for this particular model? > This and pretty much any model is best(or easiest) rigged with hard wire. I recomend .008 guitar string, available at most any music store. I'd tell you more, but I'm just home for lunch and have to get back to work. Welcome, and have fum. And don't panic. E. > "Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, 'cuz you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup." - Anon Never heard that one before. :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 12:37:02 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Intro and Nieuport questions Message-ID: <002001bee4e9$4fc6e3e0$7c31c0d1@dora9sprynet.com> Hi Joseph and welcome! I myself am banging away at the Eduard Nie.17, and am using two primary references: Squadron/Signal's 'Nieuport Fighters in Action', and the Windsock Datafile No. 20 'Nieuport 17'. I get my Datafiles from Hannan's Runway - their service is very good, and the shipping is fairly quick, although there may be more local suppliers in your area. The rest of the guys (gender neutral) here can tell you just about anything that you might want to know. Happy Modeling! DaveB ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:42:48 PDT From: "PETER LEONARD" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Windsock 15-4 Message-ID: <19990812174249.48597.qmail@hotmail.com> Pedro, IMHO the reason is the in the motives of the people invoved in outfits like TOKO and Eduard. which seem to have grown out of modelers co-operatives. From a brief meating with some of the Eduard group at a show here in England I gained the impression that the accountants still haven't got a hold and that these guys are still having fun. I hope it last but I fear it wont. Peter Leonard IPMS UK Lancashire & Cheshire Branch http://www.storks.cwc.net http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com PeterL@cwcom.net ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:44:38 PDT From: "d mather" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: CSM plea Message-ID: <19990812174438.70652.qmail@hotmail.com> I'm a NAY here - 1/48,as one put it "the manly scale". I just wish the Gotha's were out in 1/48. doug _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:51:18 -0700 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Intro and Nieuport questions Message-ID: <37B30996.A31A3FCA@mars.ark.com> Welcome to the list In Print Nieuport Fighters Special Volume 1 (Albatros Publications Datafile special) Nieuport 17 (Albatros Publications Datafile - this was recently reprinted) Nieuport Fighters in Action (Squadron Signal - beware of gross errors in the cations and mislabelled drawings) Czechoslovakian Nieuports (Historicke Sesity, Prague) - this is available through Lubos Vinar, a list member. Out of print but available Nieuport 17 (Profile Publications) Nieuport Aircraft of WW1 (Arms and Armour Press) Web sites http://mars.ark.com/~mdf/nieuport.html http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/Nieuport/nie.htm There is also a number of more general sources covering their use by just a single country. If you have any preferences (you name it - everyone used 'em) let me know and I might have something. http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/index.html has information on rigging etc. and the list archives has some stuff on discussions regarding colours etc. The Testors kit has the rear cabane as two vertical struts when they should converge to form an inverted vee. Since I don't generally built in 1/48th I can't say much about the competition... -- Mike Fletcher ___ ., mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; mikef@sparc.nic.bc.ca |--n--""*" icq=19554083 @ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 18:53:09 +0100 From: "Len Smith" To: Subject: Re: CSM plea - 72 scale detail sales. Message-ID: <001501bee4eb$8d9bd480$795c08c3@default> Hi all, Recent messages SEEM to indicate that those who model in the larger scales prefer to buy detail partswhereas those in the smaller scales make their own. I know I do, although I admit to using pe wire wheel sets, just too lazy I guess. There is another point that you all have been to polite to mention, possibly (just possibly) Eric does not make parts that people wish to buy, for one reason or another. Merely thinking aloud :-) Regards Len. lensmith@clara.net http://home.clara.net/lensmith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:52:46 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Intro and Nieuport questions Message-ID: <199908121806.LAA09857@mail.rapidnet.net> Joseph, Welcome to the number one list. Steve Perry accurized the Testor's Ni.17 in Interner Modeler a few issues back. IIRC it was in our WWI special issue and can be found at http://www.internetmodeler.com/may99/index.html Regards, Bob Pearson Visit my WW1 Aviation page http://members.xoom.com/Sopwith_5F1 Managing Editor / Internet Modeler http://www.internetmodeler.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:03:28 -0700 From: ERIC HIGHT To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: CSM plea Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990812110328.006d2784@pop.amug.org> doug, i've heard rumors of a gotha in 1/48th. if someone doesn't do one soon we may have to do one. my master maker wanted to do one for our first kit and i had to pass. now i think we are up to it. let me know what you have heard, any one? thanks. ernie, have to second you on guitar strings easy to work with, doesn't destroy your tools and doesn't droop if installed properly. on the ball as usual. eric ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:07:13 PDT From: "PETER LEONARD" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: CSM plea - 72 scale detail sales. Message-ID: <19990812180714.37770.qmail@hotmail.com> Len, fraternal greetings to "Sarf Lund'n" from "up t'North". It's also true that, until very recently, most of the 1/72 WW1 kits available were around 30 years old. Many of them were crude even when new, and any modeler with the skill to make jewel out of the Airfix RE8 has no need of after market help. Toko and others are putting an end to that and maybe there is now a market for 1/72 detail sets. MG rings and overwing Lewis mounts spring to mind. Peter Leonard IPMS UK Lancashire & Cheshire Branch http://www.storks.cwc.net http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com PeterL@cwcom.net "do you have this in a larger size?" Hermann Goering ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:22:52 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: CSM plea ... Gotha Message-ID: Hey... is this thing on? (tapping microphone) Hello? TC Models is supposed to be working on a 1/48 Gotha, and I tried to ask about it the other day. Anybody heard anything? I would buy a CSM Gotha in a heartbeat, but I'd probably have to mortgage my house to afford it. Lance ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1767 **********************