WWI Digest 1757 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Update on the "Oyster" story by "Len Smith" 2) Another Workbench Photo.. by lfendy@firstsaga.com (Leonard Endy) 3) testing by "Courtney Allen" 4) Testing Again by "Courtney Allen" 5) theaerodrome by "=?iso-8859-9?B?QvxsZW50IFn9bG1hemVy?=" 6) FW: Manfred von Richthofen by "Bob Pearson" 7) Re: Sopwith Tripe S/Ns maybe again by "Bob Pearson" 8) Re: theaerodrome by Tom Solinski 9) Re: theaerodrome by "PETER LEONARD" 10) Re: Pfalzies (was Fast Eddie) by mgoodwin@ricochet.net 11) RFC Nieuport 17 No. 29 Color scheme PC10 and aluminum? by "Charles and Linda Duckworth" 12) Re: RFC Nieuport 17 No. 29 Color scheme PC10 and aluminum? by "Brad Gossen" 13) Re: theaerodrome by "Lee J Mensinger" 14) Ynt: theaerodrome by "=?iso-8859-9?B?QvxsZW50IFn9bG1hemVy?=" 15) Re: theaerodrome by "cameron rile" 16) Re: Making websites by Matthew E Bittner 17) More on RFC Nieuports with aluminum and PC by "Charles and Linda Duckworth" 18) IPMS FS by BOBFABRIS@delphi.com 19) Re: More on RFC Nieuports with aluminum and PC by Ernest Thomas 20) Re: More on RFC Nieuports with aluminum and PC by "Bob Pearson" 21) Re: More on RFC Nieuports with aluminum and PC by Matthew E Bittner 22) Re: More on RFC Nieuports with aluminum and PC by Albatrosdv@aol.com 23) Re: Shaking the PC10 bottle by "Charles and Linda Duckworth" 24) Re: More on RFC Nieuports with aluminum and PC by Ernest Thomas 25) Re: Pfalzies (was Fast Eddie) by bucky@ptdprolog.net 26) Web page update by Matthew E Bittner 27) Re: More on RFC Nieuports with aluminum and PC by Matthew E Bittner 28) Re: More on RFC Nieuports with aluminum and PC by "Brad Gossen" 29) Re: More on RFC Nieuports with aluminum and PC by Ernest Thomas 30) Re: More on RFC Nieuports with aluminum and PC by Ernest Thomas 31) Re: RFC Nieuport 17 No. 29 Color scheme PC10 and aluminum? by bucky@ptdprolog.net 32) Re: Web page update by smperry@mindspring.com 33) Re: More on RFC Nieuports with aluminum and PC by "Brad Gossen" 34) Re: More on RFC Nieuports with aluminum and PC by "Brad Gossen" 35) Re: More on RFC Nieuports with aluminum and PC by Ernest Thomas 36) Re: More on RFC Nieuports with aluminum and PC by Matthew E Bittner ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 18:11:17 +0100 From: "Len Smith" To: Subject: Re: Update on the "Oyster" story Message-ID: <01f201bee0fc$387191e0$LocalHost@default> E, Thanks very much, it is clearer now. I presume an F18 is the latest in the line that started with the F1 Camel? :-))) Tom C, I hope I didn't hurt your feelings, I found the story fascinating but frustrating. lensmith@clara.net http://home.clara.net/lensmith ----- Original Message ----- From: Ernest Thomas To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Saturday, August 07, 1999 7:49 AM Subject: Re: Update on the "Oyster" story > Len Smith wrote: > > > > Would anyone care to offer a translation into English of the "Oyster" story? > > Sure Len, > Best I can decipher through all of the navy jargon is that an F-18 was > getting launced off the a/c carrier USS Constelation. On take-off the > pilot lost all power to one engine, and partial power to the other. > Instead of ejecting, he dumped his fuel and managed, after a few tries, > to put the bird back on the deck in one piece. > While 'Oyster' may be a great pilot, he's not much of a writer. :) > E. > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 17:53:54 GMT From: lfendy@firstsaga.com (Leonard Endy) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Another Workbench Photo.. Message-ID: <37ac71cc.1317761@legend.firstsaga.com> I've added one new workbench photo to the web site. This one belongs to Mike Muth and I like the idea of the cork on the walls to pin various things to... Len nb Finishing up the re-decaling of the Toko Pfalz D.XII nu Not really sure but I hope to start the RPM FT-17 soon. nl J. Joplin, Live At Winterland ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 11:30:33 -0700 From: "Courtney Allen" To: Subject: testing Message-ID: <002f01bee102$f1840d60$2941480c@courtney> This is just a test to see if I'm using the commands correctly. Courtney Allen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 11:41:30 -0700 From: "Courtney Allen" To: Subject: Testing Again Message-ID: <005401bee104$8ebb2220$2941480c@courtney> Just trying to straighten out the commands. I seemed to have been sending messages to ... I don't know where. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 22:14:57 +0300 From: "=?iso-8859-9?B?QvxsZW50IFn9bG1hemVy?=" To: Subject: theaerodrome Message-ID: <01bee109$23892ba0$LocalHost@Bluebird.tr-net.net.tr> Dear List Members, I used to visit the other mailing list www.theaerodrome.com which also discusses aviation during the Great War. However, in the past two weeks, whenever I try to access their site I get a message that reads "Forbidden - You don't have permission to access /aces/ on this server". What gives! Does any other members who used to access theaerodrome experience similar problem. Can anyone help? Best wishes to all, Bulent Yilmazer Ankara - TURKEY yilmazer@tr-net.net.tr ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 11:48:00 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: ww1 mailing list , Avisoc Subject: FW: Manfred von Richthofen Message-ID: <199908071935.MAA32690@mail.rapidnet.net> > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3016871280_57608_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit An item appeared in the WW1-L . ... all I'll say is "Well Duh !!!!" Bob ---------- From: Ted To: ww1 Subject: Manfred von Richthofen Date: Sat, Aug 7, 1999, 7:11 AM An item in the London "Times" today which may be of interest to Steffie and perhaps others. "The legendary First World War German flying ace, Manfred von Richthofen - the "Red Baron" - should never have taken to the air again after being shot in the head in 1917, a German doctor says. 'I believe the Red Baron should not have been declared fit for duty after the head wound' Henning Almers writes in The Lancet. Von Richthofen, who shot down over 80 Allied planes during his brief career, also suffered from depression after the near fatal shooting. Eight months later, his red Fokker triplane was shot down in one of the dogfights that made him a legend. 'I don't think the brain injury was the reason he was shot down but it was not too good for his reflexes' Dr Allmers said. 'I think his will to live had been diminished'. Ted --MS_Mac_OE_3016871280_57608_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable FW: Manfred von Richthofen An item appeared in the WW1-L . ... all I'll say is "Well Duh !!!!&quo= t;

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From: Ted <Edward@rawes3814.freeserve.co.uk>
To: ww1 <WWI-L@UKANS.EDU>
Subject: Manfred von Richthofen
Date: Sat, Aug 7, 1999, 7:11 AM


An item in the London "Times" today wh= ich may be of interest to Steffie and perhaps others.
 
"The legendary First World War German flying ace, Manfr= ed von Richthofen - the "Red Baron" - should never have taken to t= he air again after being shot in the head in 1917, a German doctor says.
 
'I believe the Red Baron should not have been declared fit f= or duty after the head wound' Henning Almers writes in The Lancet. Von Richt= hofen, who shot down over 80 Allied planes during his brief career, also suf= fered from depression after the near fatal shooting.
 
Eight months later, his red Fokker triplane was shot down in= one of the dogfights that made him a legend.
 
'I don't think the brain injury was the reason he was shot d= own but it was not too good for his reflexes' Dr Allmers said. 'I think his = will to live had been diminished'.
 
Ted

--MS_Mac_OE_3016871280_57608_MIME_Part-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 11:50:31 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Sopwith Tripe S/Ns maybe again Message-ID: <199908071935.MAA32705@mail.rapidnet.net> Tom, You have them correct. N5454 is RR Soar's 'Hilda' and N5482 is Booker's 'Maud' Bob ---------- >From: Tom Solinski >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Sopwith Tripe S/Ns maybe again >Date: Sat, Aug 7, 1999, 7:52 AM > > Hi List > Probably a worn out question, but I can't find the answer in the > archives. The profile in the Edward Tripe has the captions mixed up. > So I question if the serial numbers match the airplane shown. Is N5482 > MAUD and is N5454 HILDA? None of my ref's show either of these A/C > Thanks > Tom S ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 14:28:41 -0500 From: Tom Solinski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: theaerodrome Message-ID: <37AC88E9.36F9237A@ionet.net> > "Forbidden - You don't have permission to access /aces/ on this server". > > What gives! Does any other members who used to access theaerodrome experience similar problem. Can > anyone help? Same here Tom S OKC OK USA ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 12:44:05 PDT From: "PETER LEONARD" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: theaerodrome Message-ID: <19990807194405.21496.qmail@hotmail.com> Scott ISP had a fire a couple of weeks back and he is running on emergency at http://216.169.126.3/forum/shtml Even that's a bit difficukt to-night, the net's come to a shuddering halt Peter Leonard IPMS UK Lancashire & Cheshire Branch http://www.storks.cwc.net http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com PeterL@cwcom.net ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 00:57:24 -0700 From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Pfalzies (was Fast Eddie) Message-ID: <37AD3864.39D2@ricochet.net> bucky@ptdprolog.net wrote: > > nb: 1/48 Pfalz D-IIIa...Yellow Nose/Red body & Silver wings as in the > DatafileSpecial Is this a conversion or did the Eduard IIIa finally come out? Which datafile special? Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 15:48:08 -0500 From: "Charles and Linda Duckworth" To: "ww1list" Subject: RFC Nieuport 17 No. 29 Color scheme PC10 and aluminum? Message-ID: <000301bee116$3a23afe0$825cdfd1@q1p5x0> 'Was' going to tackle an easy kit this weekend (raining so can't finish the yard work) and build the Eduard Nieuport 17 OOB as A6787 (no. 29 Squadron) in aluminum top to bottom per the kit's instructions. However, in looking through the Nieuport Special there is a lineup of these planes on page 29 with what appears with dark colored top wings, top fuselage deck and top tailplane. Looked at Ray's color section and no mention of PC10 being used in this manner but given the location of the shadows on the ground and under the top wing, the sunlight is directly on these surfaces, which if aluminum, I would think would appear quite light in the photograph. Other opinions? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 16:59:42 -0400 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Re: RFC Nieuport 17 No. 29 Color scheme PC10 and aluminum? Message-ID: <199908072104.RAA04192@mail6.globalserve.net> I noticed this too. I eventually came to the conclusion that I was looking at the reflection of a dark blue sky on an extremely beautiful day. Ah, if only colour film had been in common use a little sooner! Brad ---------- > From: Charles and Linda Duckworth > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RFC Nieuport 17 No. 29 Color scheme PC10 and aluminum? > Date: Saturday, August 07, 1999 4:44 PM > > 'Was' going to tackle an easy kit this weekend (raining so can't finish the > yard work) and build the Eduard Nieuport 17 OOB as A6787 (no. 29 Squadron) > in aluminum top to bottom per the kit's instructions. However, in looking > through the Nieuport Special there is a lineup of these planes on page 29 > with what appears with dark colored top wings, top fuselage deck and top > tailplane. Looked at Ray's color section and no mention of PC10 being used > in this manner but given the location of the shadows on the ground and under > the top wing, the sunlight is directly on these surfaces, which if > aluminum, I would think would appear quite light in the photograph. > > Other opinions? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 16:17:52 -0500 From: "Lee J Mensinger" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: theaerodrome Message-ID: <37ACA280.88E5E717@wireweb.net> I didn't complain. Just quit trying. Lee Tom Solinski wrote: > > "Forbidden - You don't have permission to access /aces/ on this server". > > > > What gives! Does any other members who used to access theaerodrome experience similar problem. Can > > anyone help? > > Same here > Tom S OKC OK USA ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 00:21:44 +0300 From: "=?iso-8859-9?B?QvxsZW50IFn9bG1hemVy?=" To: Subject: Ynt: theaerodrome Message-ID: <01bee11a$d9925dc0$LocalHost@Bluebird.tr-net.net.tr> Dear Peter, Thank you very much; http://216.169.126.3/forum/ works just fine. Best Regards, Bulent Yilmazer Ankara - TURKEY yilmazer@tr-net.net.tr ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 17:53:49 -0400 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: theaerodrome Message-ID: <199908071449226@cameron.prontomail.com> >I used to visit the other mailing list www.theaerodrome.com >which also discusses aviation during the Great War. However, >in the past two weeks, whenever I try to access their site I >get a message that reads "Forbidden - You don't have permission >to access /aces/ on this server". theaerdrome.com server got flamed but only was credited with an OOC, you can acces it by the IP address at : http://216.169.126.3/forum/index.shtml Apparently the URL will be back soon. cam ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail and Homepage at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 18:25:48 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Making websites Message-ID: <19990807.183508.-85657.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Sat, 7 Aug 1999 11:11:19 -0400 (EDT) Albatrosdv@aol.com writes: > A further point about learning HTML, rather than using "Front Page" > or > something like that: Although in general I agree with Tom, there are a couple that aren't KB eaters, and relatively easy to use. The one I use is called Arachnophilia and is quite terrific. The difference with these is you add the tags after typing in the text. For example, if you have a section of text you want to italicize, you highlight that section and press a button. Voila! Italic tags added. Plus, there is no see what you type. There's an extra step you take to start your browser. LMK off list if you want more info on Arachnophilia. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 19:19:19 -0500 From: "Charles and Linda Duckworth" To: "ww1list" Subject: More on RFC Nieuports with aluminum and PC Message-ID: <000701bee133$aa900720$a75ddfd1@q1p5x0> Looked through several books and found the following RFC Nieuports in an aluminum and dark colored combination, French Aircraft of the First World War on page 369, British built Nieuport 12 A5198 with lower wing and vertical tail in a dark (PC10/12) color. Upper wing also appears to be dark but not shown as clearly as the lower wing also on page 387 Nieuport 20 same scheme for RFC service. Nieuport 10-12 Datafile No. 68, page 28 photos 65 and 66. A154 was a French built aircraft. My assumption is it was delivered in all aluminum dope from the French. At sometime while in RFC service top of both wings, top of the horizonal tail and top of the fuselage deck (very clear on photo 66) was given a coat of PC10 or 12. So the Nieuport 17's with RFC may have carried the same scheme at one time...... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 20:45:47 -0400 (EDT) From: BOBFABRIS@delphi.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: IPMS FS Message-ID: <01JEHZHD9XFM8WWG5G@delphi.com> Have three years of the IPMS magazine, '66-'68, less 9/68. These include the US Memo as added. Six bucks per year, ppd. bobfabris@delphi.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 19:47:11 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: More on RFC Nieuports with aluminum and PC Message-ID: <37ACD38F.2C49@bellsouth.net> Charles and Linda Duckworth wrote: > So the Nieuport 17's with RFC may have carried the same scheme at one > time...... Sounds to me like you're trying to justify a PC-10 N.17. :) Just go for it Dude. E. JP(just photgraphed) me own N.17. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 17:46:36 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: More on RFC Nieuports with aluminum and PC Message-ID: <199908080059.RAA06925@mail.rapidnet.net> Re: French-built Nieuports: The Ni10/11/12 were delivered to the RFC/RNAS in CDL. This was followed by the Nieuport 16/17/21 which were delivered to the RFC/RNAS in French Olive Drab and CDL. .. aluminum dope wasn't used until autumn 1916, but this was well after the Ni10/12 were OOP .. the ones mentioned below I would say are also in CDL. PC10/12 would be almost as dark as the edging. I go into this further in my notes for Ball's Ni17 in the VC book, but am too lazy to look it up and see what I said :-) Bob > Looked through several books and found the following RFC Nieuports in an > aluminum and dark colored combination, > French Aircraft of the First World War on page 369, British built Nieuport > 12 A5198 with lower wing and vertical tail in a dark (PC10/12) color. Upper > wing also appears to be dark but not shown as clearly as the lower wing also > on page 387 Nieuport 20 same scheme for RFC service. > > Nieuport 10-12 Datafile No. 68, page 28 photos 65 and 66. > A154 was a French built aircraft. My assumption is it was delivered in all > aluminum dope from the French. At sometime while in RFC service top of both > wings, top of the horizonal tail and top of the fuselage deck (very clear on > photo 66) was given a coat of PC10 or 12. > > So the Nieuport 17's with RFC may have carried the same scheme at one > time...... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 19:54:02 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: More on RFC Nieuports with aluminum and PC Message-ID: <19990807.195407.-85825.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Sat, 7 Aug 1999 20:48:14 -0400 (EDT) Ernest Thomas writes: > Sounds to me like you're trying to justify a PC-10 N.17. :) > Just go for it Dude. > E. > JP(just photgraphed) me own N.17. :-{]~~~~ Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 20:59:42 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: More on RFC Nieuports with aluminum and PC Message-ID: In a message dated 99-08-07 20:16:40 EDT, you write: << Looked through several books and found the following RFC Nieuports in an aluminum and dark colored combination, >> Charles: Didn't you mention it was raining back there and you were looking for a nice weekend project??? Doing the RFC Nieuport OOB all silver will look absolutely terrific, is in fact a "nice weekend project," and neither the History Police, the Penlight Police nor the Color Police can ding you. Instead of succumbing to AMS, why not "make modeling fun again," and just *do it*??? :-) Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 20:16:20 -0500 From: "Charles and Linda Duckworth" To: Subject: Re: Shaking the PC10 bottle Message-ID: <001b01bee13b$a33174c0$a75ddfd1@q1p5x0> >Didn't you mention it was raining back there Still trying to rain (and we need it) Instead of succumbing to AMS, why not "make modeling fun again," and just *do it*??? :-) > >Tom C I'll bite........what's AMS and going to take 'a walk on the wild side' and do the PC10/aluminum scheme. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 20:11:57 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: More on RFC Nieuports with aluminum and PC Message-ID: <37ACD95D.4F93@bellsouth.net> Matthew E Bittner wrote: > :-{]~~~~ Huh? E. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 21:56:48 -0400 From: bucky@ptdprolog.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Pfalzies (was Fast Eddie) Message-ID: <37ACE3E0.91EB1CC0@ptdprolog.net> Riordan Didn't mean to be so cryptic but I'm never sure how much info anyone wants in the "nu" category. I'm using the K&B Aurora remake. The extent of changes/corrections will lie in having the guns show. The plane I'm basing it on is in the Von Richthofen Flying Circus Datafile Special. A color plate and line-up photo show it. The fuselage is either black or red with a white stripe around the fuselage. The front is chrome yellow, Wings are presumably aluminum Mike mgoodwin@ricochet.net wrote: > bucky@ptdprolog.net wrote: > > > > nb: 1/48 Pfalz D-IIIa...Yellow Nose/Red body & Silver wings as in the > > DatafileSpecial > > Is this a conversion or did the Eduard IIIa finally come out? Which > datafile special? > > Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 21:09:06 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Web page update Message-ID: <19990807.210907.-261541.0.mbittner@juno.com> I finally got around to adding the Roland to my pages. These images are the originals I sent to IM. Because of their size requirements they end up shrinking them to fit. The real size is 750x600 which is how you can view them on my page. Here's the direct URL: http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook/ww1_ge.html Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 21:13:21 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: More on RFC Nieuports with aluminum and PC Message-ID: <19990807.211540.-261541.2.mbittner@juno.com> On Sat, 7 Aug 1999 21:14:01 -0400 (EDT) Ernest Thomas writes: > > :-{]~~~~ > > Huh? Emoticon for puking. Barfing. Loosing your cookies. PC10... :-) Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 22:15:52 -0400 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Re: More on RFC Nieuports with aluminum and PC Message-ID: <199908080220.WAA14580@mail6.globalserve.net> I was wrong about the blue sky thing! Had a closer look at the Nieuport Special, page 29, pic 58. I used the 'ol magnifying lamp. It sure does look like dark upper surfaces. The elevators are hanging almost vertical and still 'reflect' the same shading. Where the upper deck extends under the top plane the shade value stays constant even in the wing's shadow. The dividing line between top and sides is separated by a band of reflected light which appears to be aluminum dope. This reflection is not visible on the curve of the headrest. The right aeileron of the nearest A/C and the horizontal stabilizer show a lighter reflection than the rest of the upper surfaces. If this was a reflection of dark blue sky on aluminum then the surfaces facing straight up should be darkest. It also appears that the sides are definitely darker than the forward panels particularly on the third A/C in. Could this just be the difference in texture between linen and wood panel? Or perhaps a thinner 'wash' of PC10 over aluminum?! Boy, I love this kind of mystery! This would be a good one to try out on the old Testors kit. I think I'd opt for PC10 wheel covers too. Well back to trying to find evidence that Von Schleich flew a black triplane with red nose and tail in April of 1918, according to Taffy Jones (I should know better, eh Bob?). Brad ---------- > From: Charles and Linda Duckworth > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: More on RFC Nieuports with aluminum and PC > Date: Saturday, August 07, 1999 8:15 PM > > Looked through several books and found the following RFC Nieuports in an > aluminum and dark colored combination, > French Aircraft of the First World War on page 369, British built Nieuport > 12 A5198 with lower wing and vertical tail in a dark (PC10/12) color. Upper > wing also appears to be dark but not shown as clearly as the lower wing also > on page 387 Nieuport 20 same scheme for RFC service. > > Nieuport 10-12 Datafile No. 68, page 28 photos 65 and 66. > A154 was a French built aircraft. My assumption is it was delivered in all > aluminum dope from the French. At sometime while in RFC service top of both > wings, top of the horizonal tail and top of the fuselage deck (very clear on > photo 66) was given a coat of PC10 or 12. > > So the Nieuport 17's with RFC may have carried the same scheme at one > time...... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 21:30:56 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: More on RFC Nieuports with aluminum and PC Message-ID: <37ACEBE0.71AD@bellsouth.net> Brad Gossen wrote: > > I was wrong about the blue sky thing! Had a closer look at the Nieuport > Special, page 29, pic 58. I used the 'ol magnifying lamp. (big snips) Tell us the truth Brad. You're the guy who determined that the picture of Lee Harvey Oswald holding the rifle was a paste-up fabricated by the CIA, aren'tcha? :) E. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 21:32:45 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: More on RFC Nieuports with aluminum and PC Message-ID: <37ACEC4D.1B40@bellsouth.net> Matthew E Bittner wrote: > Emoticon for puking. Barfing. Loosing your cookies. PC10... :-) Oh. Well don't worry, MY 17 is the proper shade of aluminum. :) E. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 22:33:54 -0400 From: bucky@ptdprolog.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: RFC Nieuport 17 No. 29 Color scheme PC10 and aluminum? Message-ID: <37ACEC92.F0AB91CA@ptdprolog.net> Charles and Linda Duckworth wrote: > 'Was' going to tackle an easy kit this weekend (raining so can't finish the > yard work) Hey Charles, wanna send some of that rain out my way? We haven't had any in what seems like 2 months!Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 22:43:28 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: Web page update Message-ID: <002a01bee147$cc51e7c0$012b45cf@default> >I finally got around to adding the Roland to my pages. Just outstanding work Matt! I love the panel lines and such detail on the fuselage. I wish I could peer into the cockpit. sp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 22:59:18 -0400 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Re: More on RFC Nieuports with aluminum and PC Message-ID: <199908080304.XAA15836@mail6.globalserve.net> E: Two words: Black Helicopters Brad ---------- > From: Ernest Thomas > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: More on RFC Nieuports with aluminum and PC > Date: Saturday, August 07, 1999 10:32 PM > > Brad Gossen wrote: > > > > I was wrong about the blue sky thing! Had a closer look at the Nieuport > > Special, page 29, pic 58. I used the 'ol magnifying lamp. > (big snips) > > Tell us the truth Brad. You're the guy who determined that the picture > of Lee Harvey Oswald holding the rifle was a paste-up fabricated by the > CIA, aren'tcha? :) > E. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 23:02:36 -0400 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Re: More on RFC Nieuports with aluminum and PC Message-ID: <199908080307.XAA15919@mail6.globalserve.net> No! Wait! Dark grey helicopters, with a slightly greenish tinge reminiscent of sage or maybe lichen... ---------- > From: Ernest Thomas > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: More on RFC Nieuports with aluminum and PC > Date: Saturday, August 07, 1999 10:32 PM > > Brad Gossen wrote: > > > > I was wrong about the blue sky thing! Had a closer look at the Nieuport > > Special, page 29, pic 58. I used the 'ol magnifying lamp. > (big snips) > > Tell us the truth Brad. You're the guy who determined that the picture > of Lee Harvey Oswald holding the rifle was a paste-up fabricated by the > CIA, aren'tcha? :) > E. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 22:10:05 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: More on RFC Nieuports with aluminum and PC Message-ID: <37ACF50C.1F02@bellsouth.net> Brad Gossen wrote: > > No! Wait! Dark grey helicopters, with a slightly greenish tinge reminiscent > of sage or maybe lichen... ROTFL... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 22:12:08 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: More on RFC Nieuports with aluminum and PC Message-ID: <19990807.221700.-91641.2.mbittner@juno.com> On Sat, 7 Aug 1999 22:34:26 -0400 (EDT) Ernest Thomas writes: > Oh. Well don't worry, MY 17 is the proper shade of aluminum. :) Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1757 **********************