WWI Digest 1755 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Ribs by "dfernet0" 2) RE: AH Serials typeface by "dfernet0" 3) RE: Ribs by "PETER LEONARD" 4) RE: Ribs by "dfernet0" 5) RE: AH Serials typeface by "PETER LEONARD" 6) RE: Ribs by "PETER LEONARD" 7) RE: Ribs by "dfernet0" 8) RE: AH Serials typeface by mkendix 9) RE: AH Serials typeface by "PETER LEONARD" 10) Pegasus web site?? by "PETER LEONARD" 11) RE: Pegasus web site?? by "dfernet0" 12) Update on the "Oyster" story by Albatrosdv@aol.com 13) RE: AH Serials typeface by "Graham Nash" 14) Marlin machine gun by "Landon, James D" 15) Re: Marlin machine gun by "Lance Krieg" 16) FYI Early Aviation Web Pages by Brent & Tina Theobald 17) Crow's Snipe by Matthew E Bittner 18) New Images by Matthew E Bittner 19) Back on line by smperry@mindspring.com 20) Re: Crow's Snipe by Dennis Ugulano 21) Re: Back on line by Dennis Ugulano 22) Re: Back on line by "Bob Pearson" 23) Re: Back on line by smperry@mindspring.com 24) Re: Back on line by "richard eaton" 25) Re: Back on line by roguerpj 26) Image Comments by "Courtney Allen" 27) Re: Update on the "Oyster" story by "Len Smith" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 07:25:37 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Ribs Message-ID: <001901bedf2c$dd269180$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Matt! Thanks. I think I'll use for this one some styrene sheet that I stealed from a cosmetics gift box. It is extra-soft and very responsive to superglue. The only thing about it is that since it is so soft (even more than the Pegasus plastic) it's impossible to sand without scars. I just need steady hand then and very careful measuring to insure proper alignment of the halves. Maybe, the second layer of strip could be a little harder styrene, that allows some sanding to get the proper oval shape of the top of the former. OK! just thinking aloud. Question #2: the plans that you send me once (thanks again!:-)) show the throttle mounted on the fuselage left wall. I was wondering yesterday if the kind of grip used on the Rolands control column (an inverted V shape) allowed for a grip throttle, different from the Albatros grip or the Fokker grip. Why do I know so little? Just thinking when two years ago I just glued in a molded pilot and that was all the cockpit detailing for me! D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew E Bittner To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, August 05, 1999 8:53 PM Subject: Re: Ribs > On Thu, 5 Aug 1999 06:53:53 -0400 (EDT) "dfernet0" > writes: > > > I've been thinking (you know I sometimes do that) about the > > "sandwich" > > method of interior ribs in the RolDII. This plane has an oblique > > rib, in > > libe with the aft members of the undercarriage legs, don't it? You > > did half > > a fuselage at a time, don't you? How did you do to get a good mating > > surface > > of the first plastic strip? In the fuselage sides there's no > > problem, but in > > the "turtledeck" portion, the end of the strip that should be stuck > > very > > precisely to match with the other side has very little surface to > > glue. If > > this first strip isn't frirmly attached, the second will be loose > > too. How > > did you manage it? Epoxy? > > Don't worry, Diego, I knew what you meant. :-) > > I just used liquid cement. Actually, the stuff I use is a bit stronger > than Weld-On or Tenax, as it's supposed to work on Plexiglas. I was sure > that the first one down was well cemented since I "squished" it down > until plastic came oozing out a little. Then go from there. > > Also, I used Evergreen strip, if that helps. > > > Matt Bittner > http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook > http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 07:33:23 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: AH Serials typeface Message-ID: <001f01bedf2d$f1fc03a0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> I've been following this typeface thread. Very interesting. Maybe I could help. I'm working here with a computer that has many graphic design applications, as the Adobe Photoshop, Adobe Streamline and CorelDraw 8. If someone can send me off list a complete series of numerals and letters with decently clear outlines, I can refine them and post them to Alan, so anyone with an Alps printer can download them from the web page and make their own serials. Other possibility can be finding out the name of the typeface and I'll look for it in the 900+ Truetype files that I have here. HTH D. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, August 05, 1999 9:14 PM Subject: Re: AH Serials typeface > When I wanted to build a 1/72 Fokker EIII in AH naval markings, I was > unaware of any serials as decals. I scaled the photo of Banfield's Fokker > "A6" in the book "Air Aces of the AH Empire" and determined that some dry > transfer letters/numbers by Chartpak would do the job. > > I used: > Alt Gothic 2 14pt M3614CL for the numbers > Alt Gothic 3 14pt M229314CL for the letters > > This worked for the Naval markings, possibly there would be a match for some > of the Army serials in this range. Somewhere I had a catalog....... > > Skippy > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 03:45:26 PDT From: "PETER LEONARD" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Ribs Message-ID: <19990806104530.25233.qmail@hotmail.com> Those "scars" and scratches. If they're not too deep a quick brush over with Mekpak will sometimes do the trick. Peter Leonard IPMS UK Lancashire & Cheshire Branch http://www.storks.cwc.net http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com PeterL@cwcom.net ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 07:56:00 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Ribs Message-ID: <004c01bedf31$1b781a40$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Peter Unfortunately, no Mekpak is avialable down here. I have a homemade recipe for MEK but I've never tried it. D. I guess that Mekpak can be bought from Hannants? ----- Original Message ----- From: PETER LEONARD To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Friday, August 06, 1999 7:47 AM Subject: RE: Ribs > Those "scars" and scratches. If they're not too deep a quick brush over with > Mekpak will sometimes do the trick. > > Peter Leonard > IPMS UK > Lancashire & Cheshire Branch > http://www.storks.cwc.net > http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com > PeterL@cwcom.net > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 04:06:55 PDT From: "PETER LEONARD" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: AH Serials typeface Message-ID: <19990806110656.18777.qmail@hotmail.com> This interests me. Some time ago I heared of Thermal Wax printers being useful for printing on decal paper, but apparently they are no longer available. What's an Alps printer? Peter Leonard IPMS UK Lancashire & Cheshire Branch http://www.storks.cwc.net http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com PeterL@cwcom.net ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 04:14:50 PDT From: "PETER LEONARD" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Ribs Message-ID: <19990806111451.70221.qmail@hotmail.com> I'm not sure that it can be had from Hannants, it could be a bit tricky to post. But do share your homemade recipe. Peter Leonard IPMS UK Lancashire & Cheshire Branch http://www.storks.cwc.net http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com PeterL@cwcom.net ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 08:22:05 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Ribs Message-ID: <005801bedf34$bfd12200$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> OK. I'll send it next monday. I have it at home, with the pudding recipe, the "Canard a l'Orange" recipe and everything. Oh my goodness!, now I know why the soup was so sticky yesterday! :-0 D. ----- Original Message ----- From: PETER LEONARD To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Friday, August 06, 1999 8:16 AM Subject: RE: Ribs > I'm not sure that it can be had from Hannants, it could be a bit tricky to > post. But do share your homemade recipe. > > Peter Leonard > IPMS UK > Lancashire & Cheshire Branch > http://www.storks.cwc.net > http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com > PeterL@cwcom.net > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 08:52:27 -0400 (EDT) From: mkendix To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: AH Serials typeface Message-ID: Peter: ALPS printers use a different technology than injet/laserjet printers. Apparently, they are able to produce high quality, colour decals - see Matt Bittner's Sopwith Strutter in Internet Modeler (June or May edition). If you only require vblack & white, I have had fairly nice results from my HP IIIp LaserJet - old but good printer. Just run the decal sheet through as you would ordinary paper, except have it feed through the top (so it doesn't have to wind all the way through the machine) and use it when you first switch on the printer so it doesn't have the chance to get too hot. I take no responsibility if the paper "melts" into your machine, which is always a possibility. Michael mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu On Fri, 6 Aug 1999, PETER LEONARD wrote: > This interests me. Some time ago I heared of Thermal Wax printers being > useful for printing on decal paper, but apparently they are no longer > available. What's an Alps printer? > > Peter Leonard > IPMS UK > Lancashire & Cheshire Branch > http://www.storks.cwc.net > http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com > PeterL@cwcom.net > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 07:40:10 PDT From: "PETER LEONARD" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: AH Serials typeface Message-ID: <19990806144011.73919.qmail@hotmail.com> This is great stuff. Alltheweb.com came up with a model number Alp MD1000 in a price range of around $300. That should be about £200 if I can find a UK distributer, but I'll bet it's £400 or more. Definitely worth persuing. Gosh I'm glad I joined this group:¬) Peter Leonard IPMS UK Lancashire & Cheshire Branch http://www.storks.cwc.net http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com PeterL@cwcom.net ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 07:44:37 PDT From: "PETER LEONARD" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Pegasus web site?? Message-ID: <19990806144438.12634.qmail@hotmail.com> It seems like only yesterday (wait a minute.....it WAS only yesterday) that someone, I think in a Taube thread, mentioned a Pegasus web site. Have we got the URL? Peter Leonard IPMS UK Lancashire & Cheshire Branch http://www.storks.cwc.net http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com PeterL@cwcom.net ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 13:42:55 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Pegasus web site?? Message-ID: <00a401bedf61$93538a60$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Peter: http://www.pegasusmodels.com/ D. ----- Original Message ----- From: PETER LEONARD To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Friday, August 06, 1999 11:45 AM Subject: Pegasus web site?? > It seems like only yesterday (wait a minute.....it WAS only yesterday) > that someone, I think in a Taube thread, mentioned a Pegasus web site. Have > we got the URL? > > Peter Leonard > IPMS UK > Lancashire & Cheshire Branch > http://www.storks.cwc.net > http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com > PeterL@cwcom.net > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 14:22:11 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Update on the "Oyster" story Message-ID: I just discovered that CDR Randy Butler, USN, is *not* "Oyster", who still remains nameless around the Navy other than for those who were there on the Connie-barge that night. CDR Butler was just the guy impressed enough to send the e-mail on to eventually get to the person who sent it to me. Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 19:36:39 +0100 From: "Graham Nash" To: Subject: RE: AH Serials typeface Message-ID: Peter, if you're serious about getting an ALPS-type printer, you may also like to be on the look-out for a Citizen Printiva 600/700, preferably the latter as it is a better spec. although I haven't checked it against which specific ALPs it matches. They are often found in Exchange & Mart and Loot, both of which are on the web. BTW, do we know each other? (before joining this list Graham Nash (a.k.a. "Uncle Sniffy") -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of PETER LEONARD Sent: 06 August 1999 15:40 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: AH Serials typeface This is great stuff. Alltheweb.com came up with a model number Alp MD1000 in a price range of around $300. That should be about £200 if I can find a UK distributer, but I'll bet it's £400 or more. Definitely worth persuing. Gosh I'm glad I joined this group:¬) Peter Leonard IPMS UK Lancashire & Cheshire Branch http://www.storks.cwc.net http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com PeterL@cwcom.net ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 15:08:18 -0600 From: "Landon, James D" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: Marlin machine gun Message-ID: <98B98E951BA0D1119A590000F8045A47030A30DF@emss02m05.ems.lmco.com> Hi guys, Help! Some day soon I'm going to need to scratch build a Marlin machine gun for my Guillows 1:13 scale T-M Scout. The book "Scale Aircraft Dwgs Vol 1 -WWI" doesn't show one. All I have is one crude side view drawing of a Marlin on a data sheet somebody sent me. And some of the Tommy photos sent to me by Barry Stettler and Lee Mensinger (thanks guys) show glimpses of the Marlin. Anybody have any scale drawings of a Marlin? I'm in "Digest" mode, so please reply to james.d.landon@lmco.com. Thanks in advance, Jim Landon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 16:27:15 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Marlin machine gun Message-ID: Harry Woodman's book on "Early Aircraft Armaments" has precisely what you need, and exhaustive details on the MGs and mountings of all belligerents. I can't recommend it highly enough, because it will tell you more than anyone could ever want to know, with clear drawings and illustrations. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 19:14:34 -0700 From: Brent & Tina Theobald To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: FYI Early Aviation Web Pages Message-ID: <37AB9689.88BAFC94@airmail.net> Greetings! Someone sent me two links today to help me with my search on the Thulin D. They contain some interesting pics. http://home.swipnet.se/~w-10888/thulin2.htm http://www.landskrona.se/kommun/kultforv/museum/fakta/thulin.htm Later! Brent -- ************************************* They’ve got us surrounded, the poor bastards! ************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 20:23:50 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Crow's Snipe Message-ID: <19990806.202351.-151307.0.mbittner@juno.com> Check out: http://www.pcmodeler.com/ Follow either the What's New or Gallery...Aircraft...Rigged links to see Peter Crow's awesome Toko Snipe. Excellent job, Peter! Oh, and don't mind the off topic he built, either. ;-) Keep up the great work, Peter! Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 20:33:10 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: New Images Message-ID: <19990806.203311.-225515.0.mbittner@juno.com> I haven't seen it mentioned yet, but I was looking through the site, and see that Courtney has some model images up. Excellent job, Courtney! The MoS Type I is just stupendous! Keep it up! Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 22:12:04 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Back on line Message-ID: <020101bee07a$4a940880$292c45cf@default> Hello Y'all: After a crashed hard drive and a nightmare experience with waranty replacement procedures, I'm back on line and hopefully re-subscribed to the List. Soomeone please LMK if this message comes through normally. Regrdss to all sp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 22:19:51 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Crow's Snipe Message-ID: <199908062220_MC2-801D-68E2@compuserve.com> Peter, Very nice Snipe. Looks like you have a monopoly on the rigged section of the aircraft. Keep up the great work. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/uggies Page Revised 7/2/99 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 22:21:20 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Back on line Message-ID: <199908062221_MC2-8020-111E@compuserve.com> SP, Good to have you back. Your message is loud and clear. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/uggies Page Revised 7/2/99 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 19:26:55 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Back on line Message-ID: <199908070235.TAA15627@mail.rapidnet.net> Welcome back Bob ---------- >From: smperry@mindspring.com >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Back on line >Date: Fri, Aug 6, 1999, 7:12 PM > > Hello Y'all: > > After a crashed hard drive and a nightmare experience with waranty > replacement procedures, I'm back on line and hopefully re-subscribed to the > List. > > Soomeone please LMK if this message comes through normally. > > Regrdss to all > sp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 22:30:56 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: Back on line Message-ID: <027201bee07c$e11a0d20$292c45cf@default> > Good to have you back. Your message is loud and clear. > >Dennis Ugulano Thanks Dennis, it's very good to be back. Modeling just isn't as fun without y'all. Off to check out your I'lya a saw mentioned in some of the multitude of posts that downloaded when I got back on line. Mine is coming along slowly. ttyl sp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 22:49:07 -0500 From: "richard eaton" To: Subject: Re: Back on line Message-ID: <199908070349.WAA04779@sierra.onr.com> Steve, Sorry to hear about the problems. Great to have you back! What you been working on? Regards, Richard ---------- > From: smperry@mindspring.com > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Back on line > Date: Friday, August 06, 1999 9:12 PM > > Hello Y'all: > > After a crashed hard drive and a nightmare experience with waranty > replacement procedures, I'm back on line and hopefully re-subscribed to the > List. > > Soomeone please LMK if this message comes through normally. > > Regrdss to all > sp > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 23:38:43 -0500 From: roguerpj To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Back on line Message-ID: <37ABB853.A562C559@black-hole.com> Hay, good to have you back. The Ilya is at http://adm.infoart.ru/avia/company/monino/e_monino/il_mur.htm It is in the Moscow Museum at Monino. It is a replica. Though a nice one rob johnson smperry@mindspring.com wrote: > > > Good to have you back. Your message is loud and clear. > > > >Dennis Ugulano > > Thanks Dennis, it's very good to be back. Modeling just isn't as fun without > y'all. > > Off to check out your I'lya a saw mentioned in some of the multitude of > posts that downloaded when I got back on line. Mine is coming along slowly. > > ttyl > sp -- roguerpj "Its not you. My spell checker couldn't figure it out either." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 22:42:47 -0700 From: "Courtney Allen" To: Subject: Image Comments Message-ID: <001f01bee097$b156eca0$4a05480c@courtney> I just wanted to thank everyone that sent comments on the images of my models I posted. It's been 20+ years since I built a WWI aircraft. I've been building wooden sailing ships for most of those years and designing wargames. I didn't realize how much I missed WWI aviation. I am definitely hooked again. I use to belong to IPMS. Is it worth belonging to anymore? Courtney Allen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 07:26:40 +0100 From: "Len Smith" To: Subject: Re: Update on the "Oyster" story Message-ID: <00c401bee09e$445183c0$0b5b08c3@default> Would anyone care to offer a translation into English of the "Oyster" story? All I can gather is that the pilot did something exceptional, but beyond that the language (jargon?) defeats me. lensmith@clara.net http://home.clara.net/lensmith ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Friday, August 06, 1999 7:23 PM Subject: Update on the "Oyster" story > I just discovered that CDR Randy Butler, USN, is *not* "Oyster", who still > remains nameless around the Navy other than for those who were there on the > Connie-barge that night. CDR Butler was just the guy impressed enough to > send the e-mail on to eventually get to the person who sent it to me. > > Tom C > > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1755 **********************