WWI Digest 1754 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Foncking decals by Albatrosdv@aol.com 2) Re: Foncking decals by "PETER LEONARD" 3) Re: Retromodels by GRBroman@aol.com 4) Way off-topic - one incredible flying story by Albatrosdv@aol.com 5) RE: Rusting and Other Aging Methods by Shane Weier 6) Re: Morane Saulnier Parasol Type L? by vinar@atlas.cz 7) Re: AH Serials typeface by vinar@atlas.cz 8) Re: What's in a name (was Admission of Guilt Re: Who started the by Tom Solinski 9) Copper State Models decals by Albatrosdv@aol.com 10) Re: Retromodels by Matthew E Bittner 11) Re: Ribs by Matthew E Bittner 12) Re: AH Serials typeface by Scottfking@aol.com 13) Re: Foncking decals by bucky@ptdprolog.net 14) RE: Way off-topic - one incredible flying story by "Robert Woodbury" 15) Seeking book suggestion: US Squadrons in WW I by Fernando Lamas 16) Re: Seeking book suggestion: US Squadrons in WW I by Matthew E Bittner 17) Re: Seeking book suggestion: US Squadrons in WW I by "K. Hagerup" 18) Re: Seeking book suggestion: US Squadrons in WW I by "Brad Gossen" 19) Re: Seeking book suggestion: US Squadrons in WW I by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 20) Re: Foncking decals by "PETER LEONARD" 21) Blue Max Audio Book by Brent & Tina Theobald 22) interesting web site by Sixmilfigs@cs.com 23) Re: Blue Max Audio Book by Ernest Thomas ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:54:34 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Foncking decals Message-ID: In a message dated 99-08-05 08:20:37 EDT, you write: << Anyone know where (or if) I can find decals for a SPA 103 SPAD? Needed for a Foncke project, any scale. Peter L >> Peter: If you can get the Glencoe "French Aces" Spad kit, it has decals for Rene Fonck's foncking Spad. :-) Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 11:16:31 PDT From: "PETER LEONARD" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Foncking decals Message-ID: <19990805181632.5340.qmail@hotmail.com> good one Tom. That's what I call a Foncking good result:¬) Peter L IPMS UK Lancashire & Cheshire Branch http://www.storks.cwc.net http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:26:46 EDT From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Retromodels Message-ID: In a message dated 8/4/99, 9:51:07 PM, wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu writes: <> Just out of curiuosity Matt, where did you get this? And in the of chance any one is wondering about the great Matador models search, they Airfix mark I track sets are currently out of stock at the manufacturer. If I ever get a sample, I will let allay'all know how well they look. Glen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:30:04 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Way off-topic - one incredible flying story Message-ID: Maybe this guy wasn't flying around in a BE.2c, but I think you'll all find this one of the most rivetting tales of aviation anyone's ever lived to tell. It happened last month. You may have seen this bit of e-mail around the net. I showed it to my old friend Dick Best, and after he read it he said, "I'd like this man in my squadron." That's about as high a bit of praise as anyone's ever likely to get. Tom Cleaver Subject: Hornet Night Barricade (Pilot's Version) Author: Butler, CDR Randy S. Date: 07/28/1999 10:54 AM Subject: Hornet Night Barracade (Pilot's Version) Relayed via a friend at the Safety School... Greetings Slacker Landlubbers (except for you Dell), Hey, I felt the need to share with you all the exciting night I had on the 23rd. It has nothing to do with me wanting to talk about me and it has everything to do with sharing what will no doubt become a better story as the years go by. So.... ...There I was. Manned up a hot seat for the 2030 launch about 500 miles north of Hawaii (insert visions of "The Shore Bird" and many mai tais here). Spotted just forward of the nav pole and eventually taxied off toward the island where I do a 180 and get spotted to be the first one off cat I (insert foreboding music here). There's another Hornet from our sister squadron parked ass over the track in about a quarter of the way down the cat. Eventually he gets a move on and they lower my launch bar and start the launch cycle. All systems are go on the runup and after waiting the requisite 5 seconds or so to make sure my flight controls are good to go (you know, there's a lot to be said for good old cables and pulleys), I turn on my lights. As is my habit I shift my eyes to the catwalk and watch the deck-edge dude and as he starts his routine of looking left, then right, I put my head back. I hate to say this but the Hornet cat shot is pretty impressive - equivalent I would say to a gassed up K. (You agree Gato?) As the cat fires, I stage the blowers and am along for the ride. Just prior to the end of the stroke there's a huge flash and a simultaneous boom! and my world is in turmoil. My little pink body is doing 145 knots or so and is 100 feet above the Black Pacific. And there it stays - except for the knot package, which decreases to 140 knots. Somewhere in here I raised my gear which is interesting since it is not a Hornet "off the cat" boldface. It is, however, if I recall correctly, an Intruder boldface. Oops! The throttles aren't going any farther forward despite my Schwarzzenegerian efforts to make them do so. >From out of the ether I hear a voice say one word: "Jettison." Roger that! A nanosecond later my two drops and single MER - about 4500 pounds in all - are Black Pacific bound. The airplane leapt up a bit but not enough. I'm now about a mile in front of the boat at 160 feet and fluctuating from 135 to 140 knots. The next comment that comes out of the ether is another one-worder: "Eject!" I'm still flying so I respond, "Not yet, I've still got it." Our procedures call for us to intercept on speed which is 8.1 alpha and I'm fluctuating from about 8 ½ to 11 or so. Finally, at 4 miles, I take a peek at my engine instruments and notice my left engine doesn't match the right (funny how quick glimpses at instruments get burned into your brain). The left rpm is at 48% even though I'm still doing the Ah-Nold thing. I bring it back to mil. About now I get another "Eject!" call. "Nope, still flying." Deputy CAG (TROTS Trotter) was watching and the further I got from the boat, the lower I looked. At 5 ½ miles I asked tower to please get the helo headed my way as I truly thought I was going to be shelling out. At some point, I thought it would probably be a good idea to start dumping some gas. As my hand reached down for the dump switch I actually remembered that we have a NATOPS prohibition regarding dumping while in burner. After a second or two I decided, "fuck that" and turned them on (Major "Big Wave" Dave Leppelmeier joined on me at one point and told me later that I had a 60 foot roman candle going). At 7 miles I eventually started a (very slight) climb. A little breathing room. CATCC chimes in with a downwind heading and I'm like: "Ooh. Good idea" and throw down my hook. Eventually I get headed downwind at 900 feet and ask for a rep. While waiting I shut down the left engine. In short order, I hear Scott "Fuzz" McClure's voice. I tell him the following: "OK Fuzz, my gear's up, my left motor's off and I'm only able to stay level with min blower. Every time I pull it to mil I start about a hundred feet per minute down." I just continue trucking downwind trying to stay level and keep dumping. I think I must have been in blower for about fifteen minutes. At ten miles or so I'm down to 5000 pounds of gas and start a turn back toward the ship. Don't intend to land but don't want to get too far away. Of course as soon as I start in an angle of bank I start dropping like a stone so I end up doing a 5 mile circle around the ship. Fuzz is reading me the single engine rate of climb numbers from the PCL based on temperature, etc. It doesn't take us long to figure out that things aren't adding up. One of the things learned in the RAG was that the Hornet is a perfectly good single engine aircraft. It flies great on one motor. So why the fuck do I need blower to stay level!? By this time I'm talking to Fuzz (CATCC) , Deputy (turning on the flight deck) and CAG who's on the bridge with the Captain. We decide that the thing to do is climb to three thousand feet and dirty up to see if I'm going to have any excess power and will be able to shoot an approach. I get headed downwind, go full burner on my remaining motor and eventually make it to 2000 feet before leveling out below a scattered layer of puffies. There's a half a moon above which was really, really cool. Start a turn back toward the ship and when I get pointed in the right direction I throw the gear down and pull the throttle out of AB. Remember that flash/boom! that started this little tale? Repeat it here. Holy fuck! I jam it back into AB and after three or four huge compressor stalls and accompanying decel the right motor comes back. I'm thinking my blood pressure was probably up there about now and for the first time I notice that my mouth feels like a San Joaquin summer. (That would be hot and fucking dusty for those of you who haven't come to visit) I may have said "Shit!" on the radio here but haven't listened to the full tape yet and it could have been "Fuck!" This next part is great. You know those stories about guys who deadstick crippled airplanes away from orphanages and puppy stores and stuff and get all this great media attention? Well, at this point I'm looking at the picket ship at my left 11 at about two miles and I say on departure freq to no one in particular, "You need to have the picket ship hang a left right now. I think I'm gonna be outta here in a second." I said it very calmly but with meaning. The LSO's said that the picket immediately started pitching out of the fight. Ha! I scored major points with the heavies afterwards for this. Anyway, it's funny how your mind works in these situations. OK, so I'm dirty and I get it back level and pass a couple miles up the starboard side of the ship. I'm still in min blower and my state is now about 2500 pounds. Hmmm. I hadn't really thought about running out of gas. I muster up the nads to pull it out of blower again and sure enough...flash, BOOM! You gotta be shitting me! I'm thinking that I'm gonna end up punching and tell Fuzz at this point "Dude, I really don't want to do this again." Don't think everyone else got it but he said he chuckled. I leave it in mil and it seems to settle out. Eventually discover that even the tiniest throttle movements cause the flash/boom thing to happen so I'm trying to be as smooth as I can. I'm downwind a couple miles when CAG comes up and says "Oyster, we're going to rig the barricade." Remember, CAG's up on the bridge watching me fly around doing blower donuts in the sky and he's thinking I'm gonna run outta JP-5 too. By now I've told everyone who's listening that there's a better-than-average chance that I'm going to be ejecting - the helo bubbas, god bless 'em, have been following me around this entire time. I continue downwind and again, sounding more calm than I probably was, call paddles. "Paddles, you up?" "Go ahead" replies LT "Max" Stout, one of our CAG LSO's. "Max, I probably know most of it but you wanna shoot me the barricade brief?" (Insert long pause here. After the fact Max told me they went from expecting me to eject to me asking for the barricade brief in about a minute and he was hyperventilating. He was awesome on the radio though, just the kind of voice you'd want to hear in this situation.) He gives me the brief and at nine miles I say, "If I turn now will it be up when I get there? I don't want to have to go around again." "I'ts going up now Oyster, go ahead and turn." "Turning in, say final bearing." "063" replies the voice in CATCC. (Another number I remember - go figure). OK, we're on a four degree glideslope and I'm at 800 feet or so. I intercept glideslope at about a mile and three quarters and pull power. Flash/boom! Add power out of fear. Going high. Pull power. Flash/boom! Add power out of fear. Going higher. (Flashback to LSO school...."All right class, today's lecture will be on the single engine barricade approach. Remember, the one place you really, really don't want to be is high. Are there any questions? Yes, you can go play golf now.") The PLAT video is most excellent as each series of flash/booms shows up nicely along with the appropiate reflections on the water. "Flats" Jensen, our other CAG Paddles is backing up and as I start to set up a higher than desired sink rate he hits the "Eat At Joe's" lights. Very timely too. With visions of the A-3 dancing in my head I stroke AB and cross the flight deck with my right hand on the stick and my left thinking about the little yellow and black handle between my legs. No worries. I cleared that sucker by at least ten feet. By the way my state at the ball call was 1.1. As I slowly climb out I say, again to no one in particular, "I can do this." Max and Flats heard this and told me later it made them feel much better about my state of mind. I'm in blower still and CAG says, "Turn downwind." Again, good idea. After I get turned around he says, "Oyster, this is gonna be your last look so turn in again as soon as you're comfortable." I'm at 800 feet and hook myself at 2.8 (remember this number as I will subtract .1 every couple years until I reach the point where I say, "It was HUGE, I flew the DAY pattern!") I lose about 200 feet in the turn and like a total dumbshit I look out as I get on centerline and that night thing about feeling high gets me and I descend further to 400 feet. I got kinda pissed at myself then as I realized I would now be intercepting the four degree glideslope in the fucking middle. No shit fellas, flash/boom every several seconds all the way down. Last look at my gas was 600-and-some pounds at a mile and a half. "Where am I on the glideslope Max" I ask ask and hear a calm "Roger Ball." I know I'm low because the ILS is waaay up there and I call "Clara." Can't remember what the response was but by now the ball's shooting up from the depths. I start flying it and before I get a chance to spot the deck. I hear "Cut, cut, cut!" I'm really glad I was a paddles for so long because my mind said to me "Do what he says Oyster" and I pulled it back to idle. The reason I mention this is that I felt like I was a LONG FUCKING WAYS OUT THERE - if you know what I mean. (My hook hit 11 Oyster paces from the ramp, as I discovered during FOD walkdown today.) The rest is pretty tame. I hit the deck, skipped the one, the two and snagged the three and rolled into the barricade about a foot right of centerline. Once stopped my vocal chords involuntarily yelled "Victory!" on button 2 (the 14 guys who were listening in marshal said it was pretty cool. After the fact I wish I had done the Austin Powers' "Yeah Baby!" thing.) The lights came up and off to my right there must have been a ga-zillion cranials. Paddles said that with me shutdown you could hear a huge cheer across the flight deck. I open the canopy and start putting my shit in my helmet bag and the first guy I see is our FDC, huge guy named Chief Richards, and he gives me the coolest look and then two thumbs up. I will remember it forever. Especially since I'm the Maintenance Officer. The first guy up the boarding ladder is CAG Paddles. I will tell you what he said over beers someday. It was priceless and in my mind one for the ages. I climb down and people are gathering around patting me on the back when one of the boat's crusty yellow-shirt chiefs interrupts and says, "Gentlemen, great job but fourteen of your good buddies are still up there and we need to get them aboard." Again, priceless. So there you have it fellas. Here I sit with my little pink body in a ready room chair on the same tub I did my first cruise in 10 years and 7 months ago. And I thought it was exciting back then. You're probably wondering what made my motors shit themselves and I almost forgot to tell you. Remember the scene with the foreboding music? When they taxied that last Hornet - the one that was ass over the cat track? - they forgot to remove a section or two of the cat seal. The board's not finished yet but it's a done deal. As the shuttle came back, it removed the cat seal which went down both motors during the stroke. Again, good video for someday over beers. Left engine N1 basically quit even though the motor is in pretty good shape. It was producing no thrust and during the waveoff one of the LSO's saw "about thirty feet" of black rubber hanging off the left side of the airplane. The whole left side, including inside the intake, is basically black where the rubber was beating on it in the breeze. The right motor, the one that kept running, has 340 major hits to all stages. The compressor section is trashed and best of all, it had two pieces of the cat seal -one about 2 feet and the other about 4 feet long, sticking out of the first stage and into the intake. God Bless General Electric! By the way, ECAMS data showed that I was fat - had 380 pounds of gas when I shut down. Again, remember this number as in ten years it will surely be FUMES MAN, FUMES I TELL YOU! Look forward to getting to stage five with you all someday soon. Oyster out. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 07:10:22 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Rusting and Other Aging Methods Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD47597C@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Mike says: > >From my reading I have come to the conclusion that the aluminium dope > dulled with age, starting out as a bright silver finish and > ending as a > dull light grey slightly darker then the initial silver. Yeeehah! Sorry, I've been feeling lonely. Glad to find someone agrees. > It also tended to pick up stains different than cdl, there > being less of > a tendancy to highlight internal structure and more just gunk landing > where it may. > In extreme cases a blotchiness appears, particularly on the earlier > silver doped machines, which to my eyes appear to have been doped by > brush (later - ie 17bis, 24 etc appear to be sprayed as their > finish is much more consistant) True, true, all truuuuueeee! Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 23:21:44 +0200 From: vinar@atlas.cz To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Morane Saulnier Parasol Type L? Message-ID: <199908052120.RAA26453@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Brent, Morane Saulnier Type L is available from HR Models here http://w3.inshop.cz/vamp/inshop/skripty/podrobne.asp?kat=HR7222 Best regards Lubos > Brent, > HR Models list a resin kit of the L, but I don't know what it's like, or > where you could get it over there. Possibly Lubos at Vamp? I believe Matt > may be thinking of a vac of the Nielsen & Winther Aa which was issued a > couple of years ago. > > Regards Len. > > lensmith@clara.net > http://home.clara.net/lensmith > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Brent & Tina Theobald > To: Multiple recipients of list > Sent: Thursday, August 05, 1999 3:22 AM > Subject: Morane Saulnier Parasol Type L? > > > > Hello gang! > > > > I am looking for a 1/72 scale kit of this aircraft to modify into a > > Thulin D. Thulin built them under license in Sweden incorporating a few > > modifications of his own. I am wanting to build a model of the first > > airplane in the Finnish Air Force. This plane was presented to the > > Finnish White Army in 1918 by the Swedish Count Eric von Rosen. His > > family badge was painted on the wings. The blue swastica on a white > > field was adopted as the emblem of the Finnish Air Force to honor him. > > > > Anyhow, I would appreciate any help in obtaining this kit for my Finnish > > collection. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Brent > > > > > > > > Lubos Vinar vinar@atlas.cz http://w3.inshop.cz/vamp - VAMP - mail order service http://fly.to/vinar - Personal homepage ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 23:21:44 +0200 From: vinar@atlas.cz To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: AH Serials typeface Message-ID: <199908052120.RAA26457@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Robert, A-H serial numbers in 1/72 is available as decal from HR models here http://w3.inshop.cz/vamp/inshop/skripty/podrobne.asp?kat=HRD004 Sheet include by 85 number sets "0123456789." Excuse my english, please Regards Lubos > On Thu, 5 Aug 1999 02:57:36 -0400 (EDT) "Robert Woodbury" > writes: > > > Anyone out there have any idea for a good match of the type face > > used for > > the serials on Austro Hungarian aircraft? > > One thing you could do is look for the Blue Rider decal sheet that has > nothing but A-H serial numbers on it. > > > Matt Bittner > http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook > http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html Lubos Vinar vinar@atlas.cz http://w3.inshop.cz/vamp - VAMP - mail order service http://fly.to/vinar - Personal homepage ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 16:27:05 -0500 From: Tom Solinski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: What's in a name (was Admission of Guilt Re: Who started the Message-ID: <37AA01A9.91D3C19D@ionet.net> > Many years ago, when I was a kid in Omaha, my dad had to call someone at Offutt Air Force base on business. The guy who answered the phone told him "This is Captain Courageous speaking". My dad promptly told him "Yeah, well this is Mickey Mouse" and hung up. Really, it's a true story. > Yeah, but you know what they say about the former home of SAC. Once you're on it you can't get Offutt. :-) Maybe that drove Courageous, Capt. USAF crazy. The former Major Solinski ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 17:59:25 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Copper State Models decals Message-ID: <8dd5ea3d.24db633d@aol.com> Just got four sets of Copper State decals for review in IM. If you have either the 1/28 Dr.I or SPAD sitting around, these are what you are looking for. The Dr.I decals are for Voss' F.103/17, and Josef Jacobs' black devil. The SPAD decals are for Rickenbacker's and Luke's. These are nice decals, printed by Microscale. They're 5.99 each (one set per sheet) from Copper State, and they almost make me go looking for the kits to do them. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 18:22:27 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Retromodels Message-ID: <19990805.184052.-171495.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:28:06 -0400 (EDT) GRBroman@aol.com writes: > Just out of curiuosity Matt, where did you get this? And in the of > chance > any one is wondering about the great Matador models search, they > Airfix mark > I track sets are currently out of stock at the manufacturer. If I > ever get a > sample, I will let allay'all know how well they look. One of the "locals" is a distributor that tends to get this stuff in - especially if asked to. He went direct to Exokit to buy it. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 18:38:44 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Ribs Message-ID: <19990805.184052.-171495.2.mbittner@juno.com> On Thu, 5 Aug 1999 06:53:53 -0400 (EDT) "dfernet0" writes: > I've been thinking (you know I sometimes do that) about the > "sandwich" > method of interior ribs in the RolDII. This plane has an oblique > rib, in > libe with the aft members of the undercarriage legs, don't it? You > did half > a fuselage at a time, don't you? How did you do to get a good mating > surface > of the first plastic strip? In the fuselage sides there's no > problem, but in > the "turtledeck" portion, the end of the strip that should be stuck > very > precisely to match with the other side has very little surface to > glue. If > this first strip isn't frirmly attached, the second will be loose > too. How > did you manage it? Epoxy? Don't worry, Diego, I knew what you meant. :-) I just used liquid cement. Actually, the stuff I use is a bit stronger than Weld-On or Tenax, as it's supposed to work on Plexiglas. I was sure that the first one down was well cemented since I "squished" it down until plastic came oozing out a little. Then go from there. Also, I used Evergreen strip, if that helps. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 20:10:46 EDT From: Scottfking@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: AH Serials typeface Message-ID: <2d493776.24db8206@aol.com> When I wanted to build a 1/72 Fokker EIII in AH naval markings, I was unaware of any serials as decals. I scaled the photo of Banfield's Fokker "A6" in the book "Air Aces of the AH Empire" and determined that some dry transfer letters/numbers by Chartpak would do the job. I used: Alt Gothic 2 14pt M3614CL for the numbers Alt Gothic 3 14pt M229314CL for the letters This worked for the Naval markings, possibly there would be a match for some of the Army serials in this range. Somewhere I had a catalog....... Skippy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 20:58:07 -0400 From: bucky@ptdprolog.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Foncking decals Message-ID: <37AA331E.463CD473@ptdprolog.net> Peter I have this kit and won't be using the Fonck decals.....let me know if you'd like them. Just send me an address. Mike Muth PETER LEONARD wrote: > good one Tom. That's what I call a Foncking good result:¬) > > Peter L > IPMS UK > Lancashire & Cheshire Branch > http://www.storks.cwc.net > http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 08:52:53 +0800 From: "Robert Woodbury" To: Subject: RE: Way off-topic - one incredible flying story Message-ID: <000101bedfa6$03b65a00$91107482@per.clw.csiro.au> I saw this story a few weeks back, here's the rest of it. This all happened on the first week of Connie's deployment earlier this year. Rob In case you didn't hear, the "Connie" had to barricade (basically a net of straps, that catches you on the carrier deck) a 'Hornet' in only their 1st week of cruise. It worked. This is a great story, this guy had cojones of steel for sticking with the jet. QBall, Sorry I haven't filled you in on all the information regarding the barricade yet. It has been fairly busy around here. "Oyster" got shot off of Cat 1 and fodded both motors. Initially everyone on the ship had thought that he had ejected but after several tense minutes we realized that he was still in the plane. He managed to get it to level off at 80' and then eventually milk it up to 150'. It was roughly 2045 hrs and the wx was approx. 1000-1500' sct variable bkn (fairly dark). We were initially going to attempt to recover him single engine / half flap when he stated that he was only able to maintain 0 vsi in full blower with his landing gear up (the one engine that he had remaining was having massive compressor stalls that were pretty impressive even at 6 miles). He had already jettisoned all of his stores and had dumped down to 4.0 just to maintain level flight. He was unable to climb even up to 3k to do a waveoff / approach capability check. The deck was ready and we eventually decided to give him an attempt at a normal pass. He had barely commenced and decided that there was no chance. He came up the starboard side of the ship and once again everyone thought that he was going to eject. The shit coming out of his rt engine was unbelievable. Throughout the evolution everyone stayed extremely calm and really pulled together to make some good decisions. By now he had burned down to almost nothing on the gas. His capability to arrest his rate of descent once the approach was commenced was believed to be sufficient, but he would have no bolter capability and the decision to barricade him was made. >From the time that the "rig the barricade" went out on the 5mc to the time that it was up and ready was phenomenal. We had just barely enough time to crunch the numbers, give the barricade brief and he was commencing. We cleared the platform, I controlled and flats backed up. His first approach he was high and by the time that he started it down he was getting too far out of parameters and flats pickled him. My stomach sank as I saw him come by in full blower with the engine making a sickening whine/pop and once again shit was coming out like a salvo of flares. He cleared the top of the barricade by 10 -15'. He was down to .8 on the gas and climbed only to 600' for his last approach. I think that we all said a prayer for him and he took an early hook. I talked to him all the way down. He intercepted glide path at about 1 1/2 mile and this time I had told him that if he needed to sacrifice a couple of knots of airspeed (fast) to keep it on glideslope with the nose to go a ahead and do so, we had plenty of wind (almost all natural). He drifted a little left in the middle and went clara for a second and then flew just a little low all the way in to the ramp. I knew in my heart that all of the big pieces of the jet were going to make it over the ramp and I gave him the "cut, cut, cut" call. His hook touched down about 15-20' beyond the round down and he engaged the barricade on centerline. I have never heard anything like the cheers that erupted on the flight deck that night. Everyone on the platform was hugging and almost in tears. Our prayer was definitely answered as "Oyster" popped open the canopy and hopped out of the jet. Like I said, the teamwork that went into the evolution was unbelievable. "Oyster" was truly a hero for sticking with the jet. The airmanship that he displayed to get that thing back aboard was tremendous and I hope will never have to be matched. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 18:22:45 -0700 From: Fernando Lamas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Seeking book suggestion: US Squadrons in WW I Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990805182245.00854290@olympus.net> Any recommendations for a single book that covers the U.S. squadrons in WW1? A friend has asked me to recommend one that has basic general information such as a short history of the squadrons, time spent on the Western Front, aircraft markings and types, pilots etc. Fernando Lamas ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 21:31:35 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Seeking book suggestion: US Squadrons in WW I Message-ID: <19990805.213721.-84449.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Thu, 5 Aug 1999 21:30:36 -0400 (EDT) Fernando Lamas writes: > Any recommendations for a single book that covers the U.S. > squadrons in > WW1? A friend has asked me to recommend one that has basic general > information such as a short history of the squadrons, time spent on > the > Western Front, aircraft markings and types, pilots etc. Good question. There's a new book on a specific squadron, but I don't remember any of the details. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 21:39:00 -0500 From: "K. Hagerup" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Seeking book suggestion: US Squadrons in WW I Message-ID: <37AA4AC4.65F7@prodigy.net> Fernando Lamas wrote: > > Any recommendations for a single book that covers the U.S. squadrons in > WW1? A friend has asked me to recommend one that has basic general > information such as a short history of the squadrons, time spent on the > Western Front, aircraft markings and types, pilots etc. Sloan's Wings of Honor comes to mind. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 23:13:14 -0400 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Re: Seeking book suggestion: US Squadrons in WW I Message-ID: <199908060317.XAA22443@mail6.globalserve.net> Wings of Honor - American Airmen in World War 1 by James Sloan Jr. Schiffer Publishing; 1994 ISBN: 0-88740-577-0 Very concise. Deals largely with the personnel America's First Eagles - The Official history of the U.S. Air Service, A.E.F. (1917-1918) by Lucien H. Thayer R.James Bender Publishing and Champlin Fighter Museum Press; 1983 ISBN: 0-912138-24-6 A good overview. Limited number of profiles and unit markings in B&W. The U.S. Air Service in the Great War, 1917 - 1919 by James J. Cooke Praeger Publishers; 1996 ISBN: 0-275-94862-5 Narrative overview of structure and strategic history of the U.S.A.S. Battery Press in Nashville Tenn. publishes individual squadron histories. See: BATTERYBKS@aol.com Brad ---------- > From: Fernando Lamas > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Seeking book suggestion: US Squadrons in WW I > Date: Thursday, August 05, 1999 9:33 PM > > > > Any recommendations for a single book that covers the U.S. squadrons in > WW1? A friend has asked me to recommend one that has basic general > information such as a short history of the squadrons, time spent on the > Western Front, aircraft markings and types, pilots etc. > > Fernando Lamas > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 21:33:37 -0700 (PDT) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Seeking book suggestion: US Squadrons in WW I Message-ID: <199908060433.VAA15950@compass.OregonVOS.net> Fernado wrote: > > Any recommendations for a single book that covers the U.S. squadrons in >WW1? A friend has asked me to recommend one that has basic general >information such as a short history of the squadrons, time spent on the >Western Front, aircraft markings and types, pilots etc. "Wings of Honor" by James Sloan, Jr., ISBN 0-88740-577-0, is pretty sketchy on the aircraft markings but pretty good on the other stuff. It does contain the -definitive- listings of -all- the US squadrons actually deployed to Europe (including some not activated until after 11-11-18) and what Sloan claims is the most complete listing of -every- American pilot who saw active service in Europe, including those who served only with French, British, and Italian units. Cheers and all, -- - Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 22:39:41 PDT From: "PETER LEONARD" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Foncking decals Message-ID: <19990806053941.72986.qmail@hotmail.com> Oh Fonck!!! as soon as I had replied to Tom's post I was straight into the Hannants site and ordered the kit!!!!! If it comes back out of stock I may hold you to your generous offer. Thanks heaps. Peter L IPMS UK Lancashire & Cheshire Branch http://www.storks.cwc.net http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 00:37:55 -0700 From: Brent & Tina Theobald To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Blue Max Audio Book Message-ID: <37AA90D2.C98CB672@airmail.net> Greetings from Texas, My new computer at work has enough bells and whistles to allow me to listen to the radio etc over the Internet. Today I found I could listen to audio books for free from the broadcast.com web site. I loaded the history books page and halfway down was the Blue Max. (Isn't this historical fiction?) I start listening to it. I was enjoying it until it switched to track three I think. It sounds like it changed books. There is some character with a distinct Southern US accent talking. I wonder if it is Red Badge of Courage or something. Here is the link: http://www.broadcast.com/books/History/TheBlueMax_723.asp I am not too familier with the story myself so I don't know if this is just a bad interpretation of a character. Maybe one of ya'll can tell me. Perhaps it supposed to be a Bavarian character... Bavarians are kind of the rednecks of Germany aren't they? If, by chance, someone listens I would appreciate it if they would contact me at work and tell me what is going on with it. My work address is: engineering1@enersyst.com Thank you all very much! Brent P.S. There is another secret sale on the new ot Classic Airframe kits at: http://www.squadron.com/24hour.html I didn't see any "don't tell anyone" notices this time. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 02:12:30 EDT From: Sixmilfigs@cs.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: interesting web site Message-ID: While wandering about the internet, I stumbled on this site and thought someone else might find it interesting. Some very interesting Ace photos with their mounts. http://raven.cc.ukans.edu/~kansite/ww_one/photos/greatwar.htm Shawn Kennedy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 01:41:56 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Blue Max Audio Book Message-ID: <37AA83B4.2E1B@bellsouth.net> Brent & Tina Theobald wrote: > > Greetings from Texas, > > My new computer at work has enough bells and whistles to allow me to > listen to the radio etc over the Internet. Today I found I could listen > to audio books for free from the broadcast.com web site. What a cool site. Thanks. E. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1754 **********************