WWI Digest 1750 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Hanriot HD2 by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 2) Re:Esci and Eldon kits sale by "Gerald P. McOsker" 3) Toko and MMD by Matthew E Bittner 4) Interesting item on eBay web site item#136484858: MINT 1/24 U.S. WORLD WAR I ARTILLERY PIECE by modelhound@earthlink.net 5) Internet Modeler by peter crow 6) RE: Toko and MMD by Shane Weier 7) Re: Internet Modeler by Albatrosdv@aol.com 8) Re: Hanriot HD2 by "PETER LEONARD" 9) Re: Internet Modeler by Matthew E Bittner 10) Flashback Berg D.I revisited.... by "Mike" 11) Re: Internet Modeler by peter crow 12) Re: Interesting item on eBay web site item#136484858: MINT 1/24 U.S. by GRBroman@aol.com 13) Re: Flashback Berg D.I revisited.... by "PETER LEONARD" 14) Re:Esci and Eldon kits sale by Larry Neal 15) Wire Wheels (was Re: Flashback Berg D.I revisited....) by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 16) Re: Wire wheels...was Flashback Berg D.I revisited.... by "Lance Krieg" 17) RE: Internet Modeler by "dfernet0" 18) Re: Flashback Berg D.I revisited.... by Albatrosdv@aol.com 19) Re: Flashback Berg D.I revisited.... by "Bob Pearson" 20) Re: Flashback Berg D.I revisited.... by "Bob Pearson" 21) Re: Internet Modeler by Albatrosdv@aol.com 22) Re: Flashback Berg D.I revisited.... by Albatrosdv@aol.com 23) 54mm figure by mkendix 24) 54 mm figures WAS: Internet Modeler by "dfernet0" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 15:01:33 -0500 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Hanriot HD2 Message-ID: Would anyone have any historical information on the Hanriot HD2 that I could beg/borrow/steal? Thanks. Paul A. Schwartzkopf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 19:49:10 -0400 From: "Gerald P. McOsker" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re:Esci and Eldon kits sale Message-ID: --============_-1278484745==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Meine Herren und Damen- I read of the interest in proposed ESCI kits- I have a few along with the Eldons - both of which are apparently Revell inspired to say the least. The list is below- I have almost 700 kits and havn't finished one in over a year- so I am pruning- [of course I just ordered the Pegasus Taube and will pick up the Oeffag Albatros from Blue Max- ] I have just about every old WWI kit- and will not build them- I also have books etc - If anyone has an itch for something just inquire. Meikraft Caproni? 75. ? Stick and paper Taube? Please respond by direct E-Mail as we don't want to reduce the list to a souk. Cheers Gerry Eldon Revell Copies avail Price Albatross DIII 2 3.75 Nieuport 17 1 3.75 Spad XIII 1 3.75 Sopwith Camel 1 3.75 SE5a 1 3.75 Fokker DVII 1 3.75 ESCI 3.75 Sopwith Camel 2 3.75 SE5a 2 3.75 Spad XIII 1 3.75 Fokker DVII 1 3.75 Albatros DIII 5 3.75 Nieuport 17C 1 3.75 Plus postage: 2.00 ist kit ~1.00 per kit thereafter- USA --============_-1278484745==_ma============ Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Meine Herren und Damen- I read of the interest in proposed ESCI kits- I have a few along with the Eldons - both of which are apparently Revell inspired to say the least. The list is below- I have almost 700 kits and havn't finished one in over a year- so I am pruning- [of course I just ordered the Pegasus Taube and will pick up the Oeffag Albatros from Blue Max- ] I have just about every old WWI kit- and will not build them- I also have books etc - If anyone has an itch for something just inquire. Meikraft Caproni? 75. ? Stick and paper Taube? Please respond by direct E-Mail as we don't want to reduce the list to a souk. Cheers Gerry GenevaEldon Revell Copies avail Price Albatross DIII 2 3.75 Nieuport 17 1 3.75 Spad XIII 1 3.75 Sopwith Camel 1 3.75 SE5a 1 3.75 Fokker DVII 1 3.75 ESCI 3.75 Sopwith Camel 2 3.75 SE5a 2 3.75 Spad XIII 1 3.75 Fokker DVII 1 3.75 Albatros DIII 5 3.75 Nieuport 17C 1 3.75 Plus postage: 2.00 ist kit ~1.00 per kit thereafter- USA --============_-1278484745==_ma============-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 20:55:51 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Toko and MMD Message-ID: <19990802.205552.-173803.0.mbittner@juno.com> Anybody have any clue why it's taking MMD so long to get in the new Toko? Roll Models has them, as do others in the States, but no MMD. And they're supposed to be the "official" US distributor! Cripes. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 23:18:46 -0400 (EDT) From: modelhound@earthlink.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Interesting item on eBay web site item#136484858: MINT 1/24 U.S. WORLD WAR I ARTILLERY PIECE Message-ID: <199908030318.XAA12792@pease1.sr.unh.edu> I saw this item for sale at eBay, the world's largest personal trading community, and thought that you might be interested. Title of item: MINT 1/24 U.S. WORLD WAR I ARTILLERY PIECE Seller: vvvjrjd@mindspring.com Starts: 07/24/99, 16:09:01 PDT Ends: 08/03/99, 16:09:01 PDT Price: Starts at $9.99 To bid on the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=136484858 Item Description: This kit is the BEAUTIFUL Palmer Plastics 1/24 scale model of the U.S. World War I Artillery Piece. This AWESOME kit features an operating front shield, sight and wheels, and comes complete with metalized parts and fittings. This kit is in absolutely mint condition. It is unopened and still in the manufacturer's original shrink wrap. Successful bidder will pay $4.50 for shipping & handling in the U.S. All international customers will pay U.S. Air Parcel Post rates plus $5.95 handling per kit, no exceptions. Visit eBay, the world's largest Personal Trading Community at http://www.ebay.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 20:30:08 -0700 (PDT) From: peter crow To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Internet Modeler Message-ID: <19990803033008.18083.rocketmail@web706.mail.yahoo.com> Kudos to the IM group for another great issue.. Its just keeps getting better and becoming one of those things that I'm looking forward to reading at the beginning of the month... Tom!! CA should be giving you a commission, because after the write-ups on the P12 & F4, myself and many others will be getting a few of these.. has to be better then the "Helldiver" kit...;-) P. Crow _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 14:51:16 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Toko and MMD Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD475960@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Matt, > Anybody have any clue why it's taking MMD so long to get in > the new Toko? > Roll Models has them, as do others in the States, but no MMD. And > they're supposed to be the "official" US distributor! Cripes. > Earl (NKR Hobbies) snapped them all up ;-) No shortage in the land down under :-) Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 01:12:30 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Internet Modeler Message-ID: In a message dated 99-08-02 23:32:23 EDT, you write: << Tom!! CA should be giving you a commission, because after the write-ups on the P12 & F4, myself and many others will be getting a few of these.. has to be better then the "Helldiver" >> As Jules knows, I calls 'em like I sees 'em, and these are real beauts - he has gotten dinged by me. One thing: the struts as they are in the kit are a bit long, and will result in the wing sitting high. Clip 1/16" off either end of the wing struts and cabane struts, then sand them to make nice butt joins on the right angles, and all is well. Wings of Fame #3 has a good 3-view of the F4B-4 which will give you strut angles, etc. He's also going to do the F4B-3 and the F4B-2/P-12C (hopefully). And is talking about a Curtiss P-1, P-6E and BF2C Hawk series. Golden Age looks like it could take off. Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 22:29:35 PDT From: "PETER LEONARD" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Hanriot HD2 Message-ID: <19990803052940.62243.qmail@hotmail.com> Paul, I have the Datafile and the profile, the big Flying Machine Press book and some other stuff. If that's what you need let me know either here or at my "grown up" e-mail address PeterL@cwcom.net ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 05:24:05 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Internet Modeler Message-ID: <19990803.052537.-255245.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Tue, 3 Aug 1999 01:12:51 -0400 (EDT) Albatrosdv@aol.com writes: > Golden Age looks like it could take off. Just wish we would see more of these in 1/72nd. :-( Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 06:12:35 -0700 From: "Mike" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: Flashback Berg D.I revisited.... Message-ID: <002d01beddb1$db8307e0$468c3ace@default> Kind of quiet on the list past couple of days....everyone must be out enjoying the summer! (except those folks down under.) Thanks to Barry, I received the Flashback Berg kit last week. Been very interested in the posts about the flourescent hex camoflage. I'm thinking about using the decals as a mask template and painting. One thing I notice though is the hex size seems a little small. Are there ANY good pictures out there of these planes? Don't have access to the datafile, but really interested in some "different" color schemes. I noted right off that the Red fuselage band on the kit decals was wrong. Also.....Wire wheels.....cant remeber any threads going about techniques for modelling these. (I have a couple of projects that will look great with uncovered wheels.) I remember an article in Fine Scale Modeller a few years ago where a guy used the insulation off of wire formed around the P/E spokes. I questioned this method as to whether you could get a good "tyre" from this.... Any ideas floating around in space.... Mike Dicianna "Der Rote Modellflugzeugbauer" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 06:34:45 -0700 (PDT) From: peter crow To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Internet Modeler Message-ID: <19990803133445.25670.rocketmail@web701.mail.yahoo.com> --- Albatrosdv@aol.com wrote: > > He's also going to do the F4B-3 and the F4B-2/P-12C > (hopefully). And is > talking about a Curtiss P-1, P-6E and BF2C Hawk > series. > > Golden Age looks like it could take off. > > Tom C > Thanks for the info on the struts... hopefully these, and AMs upcoming releases will generate a lot of interest with a lot of kits being sold..with the end result = more subjects. P. Crow _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 09:37:23 EDT From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Interesting item on eBay web site item#136484858: MINT 1/24 U.S. Message-ID: <3fdc208.24d84a93@aol.com> In a message dated 8/2/99, 11:22:02 PM, wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu writes: <> Hmmm available from ENCORE at $4.99 in it's latest configuration. I do also believe for those of you who want to build it as a 75mm will have to convert it from the US 3" model 1905 that it actually is :). I built one of these for the Fort Lewis Museum and they kindly let me use their US 3" in 1/1 scale as a reference. BTW, I found a French 75mm in the museum holdings here at the Arsenal, it isn't on display yet, but it's in pretty good shape. They are also restoring a US copy of the "75" that was modernized in the late 30's with rubber tires. Ther is also a WWI 37mm gun somewhere in the collection, but I haven't seen it yet. Glen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 07:13:56 PDT From: "PETER LEONARD" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Flashback Berg D.I revisited.... Message-ID: <19990803141358.48021.qmail@hotmail.com> Plastic curtain rings are a good source of tyres, cheap too and available in different sizes. Double tape them in pairs to a block and sand them down to half thickness, works a treat. Does this losennge decal look so bad if applied to a dark painted surface? Otherwise why not Americals. Peter L http://www.storks.cwc.net http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 9:21:05 MDT From: Larry Neal To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re:Esci and Eldon kits sale Message-ID: <199908031521.JAA17022@tcwb467.col.hp.com> Hi! I'm interested in the following kits: Eldon Revell Copies avail Price Albatross D3 2 3.75 Nieuport 17 1 3.75 SE5a 1 3.75 ESCI 3.75 SE5a 2 3.75 Albatros DIII 5 3.75 Nieuport 17C 1 3.75 Plus postage: 2.00 ist kit ~1.00 per kit thereafter- USA Looks like they'd be $45 if all are available. Can we negotiate the shipping? given the number I want :). Let me know Thanks, Larry. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 10:24:57 -0500 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Wire Wheels (was Re: Flashback Berg D.I revisited....) Message-ID: >> Also.....Wire wheels.....cant remeber any threads going about techniques for modelling these. Any ideas floating around in space.... Mike Dicianna << Mike, There are instructions with the wheel sets that are made by Fotocut. Barry carries these sets at Rosemont Hobbies. They come with cast metal tires, which are in halves. The theory being to apply the PE spokes to each half of the wheel, with the proper "angle", then glueing them together using the supplied cast metal "axles" to supply support for the weight of the model. There used to be a company called Model Technologies, that made the spoked wheels from stainless--much more support than brass, but a little harder to work with. I will look for the instructions I have from Fotocut tonight at home, and relate more tomorrow unless someone comes up with better answers in the meantime. Paul A. Schwartzkopf ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 10:34:08 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Wire wheels...was Flashback Berg D.I revisited.... Message-ID: Mike Dicianna, "Der Rote Modellflugzeugbauer", inquires about constructing these, presumably in the preferred 1/48 scale where the spokes can still be seen.... IIRC, Harry Woodman reprised his pioneering photo-etch discussion in a fairly recent "Windsock", which included detailed instruction on the construction of these wheels. And, the original "Scale Models" article from 1975 or so also explained the process. Unfortunately, my entire workshop/library is completely disassembled for a complete overhaul, and I can't find a damn thing, so someone else will need to locate the articles. They're not hard to make, though they ARE easy to kink. I straighten out any bends by inserting a pin through the hub, pinning the edges down with an appropriately-sized circle template, and gently pulling the hub upward to straighten out the spokes and create a cone-shaped facet that mimics the prototype. I usually use a small snippet of brass tubing as an axle sleeve, super-glued between the two brass wheel halves. Does any of that make sense? Lance Currently suffering severe withdrawal as I haven't put scalpel to plastic since March ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 12:38:01 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: "WW1 modeling Mail List" Subject: RE: Internet Modeler Message-ID: <001901bedcfd$02194640$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Hi list As always, I'm very impressed with IM. Great issue. May I say a little opinion (it's just my point of view): the article about painting a 54 mm figure chose an example that was a little dull. Why? there's many 54 mm figures that are a lot more"alive" than that one. The painting and techniques are well explained, but the subject lacked all interest, at least for me. Not the same about the vynil Darth Vader! Well done! I only wished more detail pictures. The same goes for Matt's Roland. Terricfic pictures, but I only wished a close-up of the cockpit and undercarriage detail, features well descripted in the article. Matt, the time you spent building this was worthly spent. It's a wonderful model. Regards D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 12:23:55 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Flashback Berg D.I revisited.... Message-ID: In a message dated 99-08-03 09:14:54 EDT, you write: << Kind of quiet on the list past couple of days....everyone must be out enjoying the summer! (except those folks down under.) >> I was almost wondering if I had somehow been unsubbed, but Mr. Bittner sent one of his trenchant comments, which restored my faith that at least the faithfull were doing their best to occupy bandwidth. :-) Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 09:16:54 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Flashback Berg D.I revisited.... Message-ID: <199908031638.JAA06310@mail.rapidnet.net> Again a voice from deep down inside says. .... "paint the lozenge .. decals are for wimps" Granted my last three finished WW1s used Pegasus lozenge:-) Bob ---------- >From: "PETER LEONARD" > Does this losennge decal look so bad if > applied to a dark painted surface? Otherwise why not Americals. > > Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 09:11:44 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Flashback Berg D.I revisited.... Message-ID: <199908031638.JAA06304@mail.rapidnet.net> Mike DC writes . . > Are there ANY > good pictures out there of these > planes? Don't have access to the datafile, but really interested in some > "different" color schemes. I noted > right off that the Red fuselage band on the kit decals was wrong. Lots of great Berg scehemes floating around. ... C&C(GB) 17/1 has various photos of it, the FMP Doorstops ( A-H Aces book and A-H Army Aircraft) have many. I have quite a few different ones profiled. . including some in a different lozenge pattern .. oblong lozenge. Others are in natural wood/CDL, some are in the stippled Autumn leaf or Summer leaf patterns, some in the streked pattern .. . . Guess I will have to see what i have posted to my site .. Regards, Bob Pearson Visit my WW1 Aviation page http://members.xoom.com/Sopwith_5F1 Managing Editor / Internet Modeler http://www.internetmodeler.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 12:32:31 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Internet Modeler Message-ID: <22c62f81.24d8739f@aol.com> In a message dated 99-08-03 11:40:19 EDT, you write: << May I say a little opinion (it's just my point of view): the article about painting a 54 mm figure chose an example that was a little dull. Why? there's many 54 mm figures that are a lot more"alive" than that one. The painting and techniques are well explained, but the subject lacked all interest, at least for me. >> We are trying hard as can be to get more figure articles, and right now we takes 'em as we gets 'em. I agree it wasn't an "interesting" subject, but taking a dull thing and doing it as well as he did was a lesson to me. You might consider that apparently he is working on a diorama where the old lady offers the wine to some GIs. The figure, which may be "dull" is going to be an important part of an "interesting" diorama. Sort of the figure dioramist's counerpart of cutting struts. I did learn something about painting figures, I will say. Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 12:35:20 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Flashback Berg D.I revisited.... Message-ID: In a message dated 99-08-03 10:17:46 EDT, you write: << Does this losennge decal look so bad if applied to a dark painted surface? Otherwise why not Americals. >> Just for the hell of it, to see if I was pursuing an avenue worth trying, I did the fight horizontal stab of this kit, painting the lower surface CDL (Gunze Sail Color for me) and Extra Dark Sea Grey upper. I am no gnu, er, guru, on A-H lozenge, but it darkened it a lot and the orange looks more ochre to me. I will probably do the whole kit this way. HTH Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 12:32:51 -0400 (EDT) From: mkendix To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: 54mm figure Message-ID: Diego: Respectfully, I must disagree with your comment about the Normandy woman figure (I assume that's what you were refering to) being a less interesting topic. Personally, it is unlikely that I will do a figure in the foreseeable future, however, the techniques used to construct are transferable. The scene is also quite evocative and makes a change from MVR's dog, cow etc. Michael mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 13:58:54 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: 54 mm figures WAS: Internet Modeler Message-ID: <003501bedd08$4ddc1b60$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Tom, Mike I'm not saying that the article was wrong or that the subject lacked interest. Just that the figure didn't help to show the tricks used to paint any figure. The facial character is superbly achieved, but the rest of the figure is almost straightforward. IMHO, the sailor in the gallery, altough it has a pretty simple uniform, offers a bigger challenge to the modeler, for instance, painting light colored clothings, always hard to achieve. The author is a master figure painter, and I know that I can't never compare my skills with him, but why that figure!, he has painted much better subjects! Even Bill Horan would be opaqued with this poor rheumatic lady. I didn't mean to polemize, I've just expressed my desire to see more. Maybe I'm asking too much for a single article, but shoot me if I'm guilty to expect excellency from IM. D. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 1999 1:34 PM Subject: Re: Internet Modeler > In a message dated 99-08-03 11:40:19 EDT, you write: > > << May I say a little opinion (it's just my point of view): the article about > painting a 54 mm figure chose an example that was a little dull. Why? > there's many 54 mm figures that are a lot more"alive" than that one. The > painting and techniques are well explained, but the subject lacked all > interest, at least for me. >> > > We are trying hard as can be to get more figure articles, and right now we > takes 'em as we gets 'em. I agree it wasn't an "interesting" subject, but > taking a dull thing and doing it as well as he did was a lesson to me. You > might consider that apparently he is working on a diorama where the old lady > offers the wine to some GIs. The figure, which may be "dull" is going to be > an important part of an "interesting" diorama. Sort of the figure > dioramist's counerpart of cutting struts. I did learn something about > painting figures, I will say. > > Tom C > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1750 **********************