WWI Digest 1748 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Film Noir by Albatrosdv@aol.com 2) Re: Question/Film Noir/White Eagles by Albatrosdv@aol.com 3) Re: IPMS Nats by Albatrosdv@aol.com 4) Re: Internats in Telford by "techcess" 5) Re: me almost am went by KarrArt@aol.com 6) Re: Internats in Telford by "richard eaton" 7) Replic by Matthew E Bittner 8) Re: Question/Film Noir/White Eagles by "Tom Werner Hansen" 9) Re: Where are you? Was RE: Judging by vinar@atlas.cz 10) Re: I'm BACK!!!! by vinar@atlas.cz 11) RE: Replic by Shane Weier 12) Resin corrections/replacements by "Charles and Linda Duckworth" 13) Book idea by Matthew E Bittner 14) Re: Resin corrections/replacements by Matthew E Bittner 15) Welcome to the list by Shane & Lorna Jenkins 16) Re: Replic by Ernest Thomas 17) More Jenny help needed plus frustratiion by BEN8800@aol.com 18) Re: More Jenny help needed plus frustratiion by Ernest Thomas 19) Re: More Jenny help needed plus frustratiion by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 20) Toronto by "Arron Monroe" 21) Re: Toronto by "Bob Pearson" 22) Re: More Jenny help needed plus frustratiion by "Lee J Mensinger" 23) August Internet Modeler by "Bob Pearson" 24) Re: Toronto by kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley) 25) Re: More Jenny help needed plus frustratiion by BEN8800@aol.com 26) Re: More Jenny help needed plus frustratiion by "Lee J Mensinger" 27) Re: Iowa Hobby Shops? by GRBroman@aol.com 28) Re: August Internet Modeler by "richard eaton" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 12:49:41 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Film Noir Message-ID: In a message dated 99-07-31 09:18:14 EDT, you write: << Thanks for the info on Film Noir. Dark is what I expected. I think I will change my name to Ben Noir, then I will be dark and mysterious. ben >> Better take a listen to "Prairie Home Companion" first. I think you've got competition on the name; "Guy Noir." :-) Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 12:52:25 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Question/Film Noir/White Eagles Message-ID: In a message dated 99-07-31 10:38:49 EDT, you write: << I use the #3 air tip....not really sure if the #1 is for a finer coverage area or greater. >> The #1 tip gives finer coverage, and in 1/48 or smaller you will see the quality of your work explode through the roof with only that change. I speak from experience. Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 13:08:39 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: IPMS Nats Message-ID: <7756c444.24d48797@aol.com> In a message dated 99-07-31 13:06:00 EDT, you write: << the raison d'etre of the organization seems to have shifted from raising the consciousness of hobbyists as to the potential of their little hobby to providing a platform for obnoxious neurotics to browbeat and denigrate "outsiders" and "newbies". I'm a member of the local Portland chapter, but National can kiss my a.... >> Well said. The members who are cool are good to find, and they certainly outnumber those whose cotton-for-brains couldn't make a tampon for a gnat, but those obnoxious dorks can certainly ruin a Sunday show. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 18:21:02 +0100 From: "techcess" To: Subject: Re: Internats in Telford Message-ID: <001401bedb79$27510720$c859cfc2@f3u3u8> Which F2b kit are you referring >to, as a matter of interest? Thanks for the info on the drills. I have a bunch of Airfix Kits and a 1/48 Aeroclub. Ian ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 13:35:17 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: me almost am went Message-ID: <5a5b5b3a.24d48dd5@aol.com> In a message dated 7/31/99 5:22:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time, sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes: << As always, Dicta IRA applies! Shane *************** >> Always! Thanks Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 12:49:08 -0500 From: "richard eaton" To: Subject: Re: Internats in Telford Message-ID: <199907311828.NAA14347@sierra.onr.com> Welcome Ian, from Texas The start hole will help greatly. I found that once I switched to a pin vise and changed my technique I got much better life out of my bits. they seem to go dull before I break them. Slow and straight is the key. The folks on this list do get a little talkative from time to time. Regards, Richard ---------- > From: Ian Bullock > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Internats in Telford > Date: Saturday, July 31, 1999 9:24 AM > > Thanks for the 2 bits of advice so far. > > I do use a hand drill but I haven't been making a start hole with a pin. > I'll give that a whirl and see what happens. I do try to be careful but 2 > or 3 models to a drill bit is out of the question for me. > > I may take a photo of some of my stuff on sufficiently low quality JPEG so > you can nearly see the sort of things I build. Having seen the photo's on > the main list, mine don't compare. Most of mine aren't finished. Patience > is not one of my virtues and I find it necessary to have several kits on the > go at any one time. > > I'll build anything. Aircraft, Tanks, Figures and Ships. Ship actually - > just started HMS Iron Duke. Scale is 1/72 mostly, I prefer it but I have > several 1/48 kits, 1/35 (Tanks) and 1/12 (Figures). I also have a 1/12 > etched brass Mk 1 Tank which I think is going to be a 10 year job looking at > size of the bag with all the scale nuts and bolts in. > > Incidentally, I sell the 1/12 Figures if anyone is interested. Its the > Firing Line range. I had this mad idea while I still had some money to set > up a business getting the figures painted up and displayed and selling them > to the shops, bars etc in the Somme area. Stuff that is on sale there is > not high quality but the prices certainly are! I like to go to the Somme as > often as possible. I find eating my lunch on a 15inch unexploded shell with > a graze 100 fuze strangely relaxing. > > Trouble is, I couldn't find anyone who would paint the figures for me and I > don't have the time. > > Ian > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 14:38:26 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Replic Message-ID: <19990731.143827.-1523.0.mbittner@juno.com> I picked up Replic #94 (June) last weekend, and wanted the list to know the contents. Both the Flashback and MPM/Toko H-B W.29's are covered. It appears the article on the Flashback goes through correcting it. The 1/72nd article is really neat. Basically the author combines both the Toko and MPM kits. It appears the Toko fuselage is for the prototype, while the MPM is a production version. The author used the fuselage, cockpit parts and engine from MPM, while keeping the flying surfaces and Scarff gun and ring from the Toko kit. Since I acquired a Toko W.29 for free, I may have to go through this route. However, keep in mind it appears you still have to correct the Toko wings like Shane did on the MPM kit (which is available on the site, I believe). Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 19:16:26 +0200 From: "Tom Werner Hansen" To: Subject: Re: Question/Film Noir/White Eagles Message-ID: <199907312045.WAA16609@golf.dax.net> Walt In Scale Aviation Modeller May 1997 there is a article by Harry Woodman, actually mainly photos and drawings of the DIII. One of the pages has some crawings of the cockpit area. If you want, I'll scan the page(s) and mail to you. Tom W ---------- > From: KarrArt@aol.com > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Question/Film Noir/White Eagles > Date: 31. juli 1999 08:37 > > In a message dated 7/30/99 10:16:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > Waltman@erols.com writes: > > << Also, looking for cockpit details for the Pfalz DIII. Any help would be > appreciated. > > TIA > > Walt > >> > > Rats! I could help here, but I'm getting ready to un-sub temporarily till > Aug12 for a bit of a vacation trip. > Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 22:57:02 +0200 From: vinar@atlas.cz To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Where are you? Was RE: Judging Message-ID: <199907312057.QAA05878@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Add me, please: Vinar, Lubos Chlum, Czech republic > Chris enquires: > > << Where is everyone from? I know that this has been brought up a > while ago, but I'm sure that there have been some new additions to the > list since then. >> > > Well, I still have a copy of the previous "roll call" - so perhaps I > should just post it and let people made additions and corrections..... > > Adam, Sandy Crieff, Scotland > Allred, Bob Charlotte, North Carolina > Anz-Meador, Dr.Phillip Houston, Texas > Bacon, Bill Canyon, Texas > Banyai-Riepl, Chris Naselle, Washington > Barrett, Kevin Toronto, Canada > Beran, Michal Strakonice, Czech republic > Berlien, John Plano, Texas > Bittner, Matthew E. Omaha, Nebraska > Broman, Glen Port Byron, Illinois > Cato, Chris Hartford, Connecticutt > Crofoot, Tim Cloquet, Minnesota > de C.Triffoni, Alex Campinas, Brazil > Dicianna, Mike Lebanon,Oregon > Endy, Leonard Prince George, Virginia > Fauchon, Mick Stockton, Australia > Fernetti, Diego Argentina > Fisher, Eric El Dorado Hills, California > Fletcher, David Courtenay, British Columbia, Canada > Forsch, Carl Harrisburg, Pennsylvania > Franklin, Mike Bellingham, Washington > Geher, Eli Huntsville, Alabama > Glaser, John Houston, Texas > Glueck, Hans-Juergen Offenbach, Germany > Goodwin, Riordan San Francisco, California > Gossen, Brad Oshawa, Ontario, Canada (905) 721-0792 > Gray, James D. Bremerton, Washington > Gronczewski, Tomasz Bedzin, Poland > Hagen, Knut-Erik Oslo, Norway > Henderson, Sharon Fairfax, Virginia > Humphreys, Jay St.Augustine, Florida > Jenkins,Shane & Lorna Gorokan, Australia > Karr, Robert Westminster California > Kelly, David Bloomington, Indiana > Kinnear, David San Jose, California > Lawder, Martin Munich, Germany > Lefort, Michel Braine-l'Alleud, Belgium > Lyzun, Jim Thunder Bay, Canada > Magnus, Al Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada > McClellan, Robert Memphis ,Tennessee > McOsker, Gerald P. Newport, Rhode Island > Mensinger, Lee J. New Braunfels, Texas > Milas, Rick Champaign, Illinois > Muth, Mike East Stroudsburg, Pennsylvania > Niles, Russ Sacramento, California > Ozaki, Hirohisa Aichi, Japan > Pearson, Bob Prince Rupert British Columbia, Canada > Perry, Steven M. St.Petersburg, Florida > Pliml, Jim Abilene, Texas > Poloni, Franco Lodi, Italy > Rada, Alberto Caracas, Venezuela > Rile, Cameron Butler, New Jersey (ex pat Australian from Windsor , > Sydney) > Shanks, Mark Portland, Oregon > Smith, Geoff Darwen, England > Soares, Pedro Lisbon, Portugal > Spriesterbach,Philippe Braine-l'Alleud, Belgium > Sterner, David Los Angeles, California > Subrt, Ivan Pilsen, West Bohemia, Czech Republic > Sundberg, Steve Webster City, Iowa > Superczynski, Al Little Rock, Arkansas > Szymanski, Maciej Poznan, Poland > Thomas, Ernest New Orleans Louisiana > Valdes, Carlos Atlanta, Georgia > Valenciano, Joey Manila, Philippines > Vilmazer, Bulent Ankara, Turkey > Vosburgh, David Egremont, Massachusetts > Watt, Dave Indianapolis, Indiana > Weier, Shane Brisbane, Australia > Woodbury, Robert Perth, Australia > Zivich, Matthew Saginaw, Michigan. > Zulis, David Toronto, Canada Lubos Vinar vinar@atlas.cz http://w3.inshop.cz/vamp - VAMP - mail order service http://fly.to/vinar - Personal homepage ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 22:57:02 +0200 From: vinar@atlas.cz To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: I'm BACK!!!! Message-ID: <199907312057.QAA05886@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > Out of a field of 20 OT models, I was able to wrangle a 3rd place for my > N.17. Congratulations. Lubos Vinar vinar@atlas.cz http://w3.inshop.cz/vamp - VAMP - mail order service http://fly.to/vinar - Personal homepage ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 10:49:28 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Replic Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD475945@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Matt, I know *you* won't care but: > It appears the Toko fuselage is for the prototype, > while the MPM is a production version. FWIW the 1/48 Flashback kit has the same "problem", in so far as the fuselage is only appropriate to the prototype. The difference is in the area of the observer gunners cockpit where the shape of the fuselage above the upper longeron line is very different on all other machines. I've actually bought two of the kit because the shape (aside from being too shallow by about 2mm) of the fuselage is actually correct for the late, long fuselage W.12, making a ludicrously simple conversion possible to an even more interesting aircraft Mmmm, this might be the right project for me to start my resin corrections business. Would anyone buy a drop in replacement for the gun ring area of this model? Ah well, perhaps I better not drop the day job Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 21:12:18 -0500 From: "Charles and Linda Duckworth" To: Subject: Resin corrections/replacements Message-ID: <000a01bedbc3$49c97e00$895cdfd1@q1p5x0> IMO a great start for a resin replacement would be making a set of rounded wings for the DML SPAD 13 with decals sets so one could backdate the kit and pickup some earlier French color schemes. Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 21:18:22 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Book idea Message-ID: <19990731.211827.-129495.1.mbittner@juno.com> I was contacted my Steven Lawson - he of the Jacobs diary translation found and other things "Jacobsie" - and he has a book idea. He wants to pen a book on building WW1 models, and is in the preliminary stages. He's looking for contributors, so if you're interested, contact me off list. I think it's a great idea. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 21:16:19 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Resin corrections/replacements Message-ID: <19990731.211827.-129495.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Sat, 31 Jul 1999 22:10:09 -0400 (EDT) "Charles and Linda Duckworth" writes: > IMO a great start for a resin replacement would be making a set of > rounded > wings for the DML SPAD 13 with decals sets so one could backdate the > kit and > pickup some earlier French color schemes. I would like it if someone came out with a SPAD 12 - conversion or full kit - in 1/72nd. Heck, I would also really like a decent SPAD 7 and 13. Dream on, I realize... Instead we get these Bri...oh, never mind. :-) Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 13:07:12 +1000 From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins To: WW1 posts Subject: Welcome to the list Message-ID: <37A3B9E0.C567E9EF@tac.com.au> Hello Eric and Ian, It can get slightly eccentric from time to time here but you won't find a nicer bunch of people around and they're also interested in WW1 modelling! Welcome to our list "family" Lorna ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 22:17:29 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Replic Message-ID: <37A3BC49.68F9@bellsouth.net> Shane Weier wrote: > Mmmm, this might be the right project for me to start my resin corrections > business. Would anyone buy a drop in replacement for the gun ring area of > this model? Sure, and how about some corrected wings while you're at it? And hows about a new rear fuselage section for the Glenco 28? E. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 23:17:32 EDT From: BEN8800@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: More Jenny help needed plus frustratiion Message-ID: Am running into some problems with my Jenny design. First a question about the OX-5 engine. It has the water pump at the back of the engine. There is a large single pipe coming off the bottom of the pump going to the bottom of the radiator. At the top there are two pipes or hoses from the radiator to the engine, one going to left cylinders and the other to the right cylinder. My question is - does the water pump, pump the water toward the radiator thru the single lower pipe or vice versa? I am assuming it pumps down rather than up. A little help from gravity. My frustration is that I used Nietos plan of the Jenny for the size of the fuel tank. Well, I find, based on a factory schematic of piping for the engine which shows a dotted outline of the fuel tank that Nietos tank is too wide (fore and aft dimension). It is impossible to get the engine in the aircraft with his tank. The water pump would penetrate the front of the fuel tank. What a bummer. Another interesting thing I found out about this engine installation, and it does not make sense to me at all - The two engine bearers are supported at the rear end by a transverse beam which is supported by the vertical struts in the fuselage. The engine sits on the bearers and the water pump is on the aft side of the transverse support beam. Very unusual. Why is the transverse beam not further aft so the engine sits on the bearers and the beam is aft of the engine? Screwy, yes? Ben ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 22:55:18 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: More Jenny help needed plus frustratiion Message-ID: <37A3C526.29CE@bellsouth.net> BEN8800@aol.com wrote: > The water pump would penetrate the front of the fuel > tank. What a bummer. > Any chance that the fuel tank has a cut-out to accomodate the water pump that isn't shown on the plan? > Very unusual. Why is the transverse > beam not further aft so the engine sits on the bearers and the beam is aft of > the engine? Screwy, yes? > I think this was part of the American idea to make everything impossible to service by the consumer/end user. When I compare tinkering with the Bug to tinkering with the Ford, or the Honda, I sometimes find myself wishing we had lost that war. Cool yer jets veterans, I don't want to hear it! E. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 21:04:59 -0700 (PDT) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: More Jenny help needed plus frustratiion Message-ID: <199908010404.VAA19494@compass.OregonVOS.net> Ben wrote: >Am running into some problems with my Jenny design. First a question about >the OX-5 engine. It has the water pump at the back of the engine. There is a >large single pipe coming off the bottom of the pump going to the bottom of >the radiator. At the top there are two pipes or hoses from the radiator to >the engine, one going to left cylinders and the other to the right cylinder. >My question is - does the water pump, pump the water toward the radiator thru >the single lower pipe or vice versa? I am assuming it pumps down rather than >up. A little help from gravity. Well, I've no knowledge of the OX-5 engine specifically but the standard arrangement for these sorts of things is for the flow to go from the bottom of the radiator to the pump to the engine. There are several practical reasons why the reverse arrangement wouldn't work well. For instance, a low coolant level would cause the pump to run out of coolant to pump if it took its intake on the -high- side of the engine rather than the low side of the radiator. Thus, I suspect the actual direction of the coolant flow is opposite to what you surmised and the pump pumps the coolant -up- through the two pipes to the cylinder heads. But, just my thoughts for what they are worth. Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "If Lincoln were alive today, he'd roll over in his grave." Gerald Ford ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 00:22:02 -0400 From: "Arron Monroe" To: "wwi" Subject: Toronto Message-ID: <001b01bedbd5$682dc6a0$afa15f18@twcny.rr.com> I'll be heading to Toronto soon on a business trip and I was wondering if there were any shops in the area or stops of interest? Thanks ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 21:29:45 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Toronto Message-ID: <199908010437.VAA10115@mail.rapidnet.net> AVIATION WORLD is *the* place to go .. I'll let one of the denizens of centre of the Canadian universe fill you in on it upon their return from Oshkosh and sailing. . no wait Kevin is still there ... Oh yo hoo Kevin. . Sorry, just finished staying up for 24 hours straight finishing the next IM. . you'd think we got paid for it. .. :-) Bob ---------- >From: "Arron Monroe" >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Toronto >Date: Sat, Jul 31, 1999, 9:16 PM > > I'll be heading to Toronto soon on a business trip and I was wondering if > there were any shops in the area or stops of interest? > > Thanks ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 23:49:56 -0500 From: "Lee J Mensinger" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu, BEN8800@aol.com Subject: Re: More Jenny help needed plus frustratiion Message-ID: <37A3D1F4.9FA5D243@wireweb.net> All of the engines I know about route the water from the bottom of the radiator to the engine compartments and the recombine at the front of the engine to one input at the top of the radiator. As statedby Bill Shatzer even a lowering wqater level would allow water to circulate for cooling. i have a few pictures of a Canuck Air Frame under construction and you can see some of the engine bearers and the rear cross member. If you can receive scans I will send them as jpegs. I am afraid the Canuck used a slightly different engine( I do not remember what) than the US Jenny but the idea is much the same. This plane is being built by Vernon L Hatch of Kerrville, Texas. Let me know. Lee BEN8800@aol.com wrote: > Am running into some problems with my Jenny design. First a question about > the OX-5 engine. It has the water pump at the back of the engine. There is a > large single pipe coming off the bottom of the pump going to the bottom of > the radiator. At the top there are two pipes or hoses from the radiator to > the engine, one going to left cylinders and the other to the right cylinder. > My question is - does the water pump, pump the water toward the radiator thru > the single lower pipe or vice versa? I am assuming it pumps down rather than > up. A little help from gravity. > > My frustration is that I used Nietos plan of the Jenny for the size of the > fuel tank. Well, I find, based on a factory schematic of piping for the > engine which shows a dotted outline of the fuel tank that Nietos tank is too > wide (fore and aft dimension). It is impossible to get the engine in the > aircraft with his tank. The water pump would penetrate the front of the fuel > tank. What a bummer. > > Another interesting thing I found out about this engine installation, and it > does not make sense to me at all - The two engine bearers are supported at > the rear end by a transverse beam which is supported by the vertical struts > in the fuselage. The engine sits on the bearers and the water pump is on the > aft side of the transverse support beam. Very unusual. Why is the transverse > beam not further aft so the engine sits on the bearers and the beam is aft of > the engine? Screwy, yes? > > Ben ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 23:13:10 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: ww1 mailing list Subject: August Internet Modeler Message-ID: <199908010620.XAA11452@mail.rapidnet.net> Greetings all, Well it is that time again. . your monthly dose of Internet Modeler. This month we bring you lots of OT reviews as well a Bittner scale Roland D.II. Off topic stuff includes a review from Mistress Lorna of Darth Vader . Remember if you are on AOL or some other strange browesr you must delete cache or refresh otherwise you will still go to last month's issue Regards, Bob Pearson Managing Editor / Internet Modeler http://www.internetmodeler.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 08:57:12 -0500 From: kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Toronto Message-ID: >I'll be heading to Toronto soon on a business trip and I was wondering if >there were any shops in the area or stops of interest? > >Thanks Aaron, If you can stop by my house, I'll take you up to Aviation World and Northstar Hobbies. Otherwise, I'd be happy to give you directions to both. Contact me off-list. Kevin Barrett. kevinkim@interlog.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 09:36:23 EDT From: BEN8800@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: More Jenny help needed plus frustratiion Message-ID: <9fc610f8.24d5a757@aol.com> In a message dated 8/1/99 12:46:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, lemen@wireweb.net writes: << have a few pictures of a Canuck Air Frame under construction and you can see some of the engine bearers and the rear cross member. If you can receive scans I will send them as jpegs. I am afraid the Canuck used a slightly different engine( I do not remember what) than the US Jenny but the idea is much the same. This plane is being built by Vernon L Hatch of Kerrville, Texas. Let me know. Lee >> I can receive Jpegs if you send only one at a time. If more than one is sent, they get combined in a mime format which I cannot read. I would appreciate any photos. I went thru my photos again and confirmed that the water pump is on the aft side of the transverse beam supporting the engine bearers. The beam goes between the V intake manifold and the water pump. There are a couple of hoses between the water pump and the cooled intake manifold. This means that the hoses cannot be installed until the engine is sitting on the bearers since they go around that transverse beam. I can see this in photos. I want to make sure I emphasize this in the instructions for the Jenny kit so no one will pre install the hoses. You also told me that the water enters the pump from the bottom pipe off the radiator. That confirms a note on the OX-5 plan I have which has a note stating that the water enters the pump from below. I have solved the fuel tank problem also. It needed to be moved aft about 3" from the location shown on Nietos plans in order for it to miss hitting the end of the water pump. My factory drawing of the piping arrangement shows the tank (dotted view) in the correct location. Maybe of interest to others, working from factory drawings which have been reproduced from originals is a bear sometimes. The reproductions are often not the same scale as original drawings, and Curtiss drawings are often not dimensioned. You have to figure out a scale based on any known dimension in the drawing. Thats why all this stuff is tedious. Thanks again. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 09:53:53 -0500 From: "Lee J Mensinger" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: More Jenny help needed plus frustratiion Message-ID: <37A45F81.9530555A@wireweb.net> I can send one at a time. No problem. I have reqar end with metal elevator and rudder, full frame with rigging wires, front end from several angles. Even got the gas gauge and seats. I will send some decent ones for you to use. May even get a couple out today. No promise but I will try. Oh yes, these are my own photos, not repro's from someone else. Lee BEN8800@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/1/99 12:46:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > lemen@wireweb.net writes: > > << have a few pictures of a Canuck Air Frame under construction and you can > see > some of the engine bearers and the rear cross member. If you can receive > scans I > will send them as jpegs. I am afraid the Canuck used a slightly different > engine( I do not remember what) than the US Jenny but the idea is much the > same. This plane is being built by Vernon L Hatch of Kerrville, Texas. > Let me know. Lee > >> > I can receive Jpegs if you send only one at a time. If more than one is sent, > they get combined in a mime format which I cannot read. I would appreciate > any photos. > > I went thru my photos again and confirmed that the water pump is on the aft > side of the transverse beam supporting the engine bearers. The beam goes > between the V intake manifold and the water pump. There are a couple of hoses > between the water pump and the cooled intake manifold. This means that the > hoses cannot be installed until the engine is sitting on the bearers since > they go around that transverse beam. I can see this in photos. I want to make > sure I emphasize this in the instructions for the Jenny kit so no one will > pre install the hoses. > > You also told me that the water enters the pump from the bottom pipe off the > radiator. That confirms a note on the OX-5 plan I have which has a note > stating that the water enters the pump from below. > > I have solved the fuel tank problem also. It needed to be moved aft about 3" > from the location shown on Nietos plans in order for it to miss hitting the > end of the water pump. My factory drawing of the piping arrangement shows the > tank (dotted view) in the correct location. > > Maybe of interest to others, working from factory drawings which have been > reproduced from originals is a bear sometimes. The reproductions are often > not the same scale as original drawings, and Curtiss drawings are often not > dimensioned. You have to figure out a scale based on any known dimension in > the drawing. Thats why all this stuff is tedious. > > Thanks again. > > Ben ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 11:02:25 EDT From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Iowa Hobby Shops? Message-ID: In a message dated 7/30/99 8:57:41 PM EST, theobat1@airmail.net writes: > Another shop on the Mississppi (on the Illinois side) s in Moline. It was > pretty > good too as I recall. Yes, it was great. It was called Key's Games and Hobbies and they closed their doors. The business is all internet mail order now and is mostly just games. They had a good on topic selection, to include vacs and aftermarket. Although there are still five or six hobby shops left in the greater Davenport Iowa and Moline Illinois area, none really have much in the way of OT stuff. And if they do get it, Bob and I usually get there first :). Glen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 11:37:43 -0500 From: "richard eaton" To: Subject: Re: August Internet Modeler Message-ID: <199908011637.LAA21012@sierra.onr.com> Another excellent issue guys and gals. Obviously a great deal of time and effort went into it. So nice to see words and pictures from a bunch of the folks on the list in one place. I just start to get the building under control when another issue comes out with must haves! Regards, Richard Nice to see Matt finish a kit too! :-) Great job. ---------- > From: Bob Pearson > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: August Internet Modeler > Date: Sunday, August 01, 1999 1:12 AM > > Greetings all, > > Well it is that time again. . your monthly dose of Internet Modeler. This > month we bring you lots of OT reviews as well a Bittner scale Roland D.II. > Off topic stuff includes a review from Mistress Lorna of Darth Vader . > > Remember if you are on AOL or some other strange browesr you must delete > cache or refresh otherwise you will still go to last month's issue > > > Regards, > Bob Pearson > > Managing Editor / Internet Modeler > http://www.internetmodeler.com > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1748 **********************