WWI Digest 1741 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Which 1964 LIFE issue commemorated WW I Aviation? by GRBroman@aol.com 2) Re: Re: I'm Back by GRBroman@aol.com 3) RE: Where are you? Was RE: Judging by "Landon, James D" 4) Re: I'm Back by Zulis@aol.com 5) Re: Flashback Aviatik Berg D.I by Albatrosdv@aol.com 6) RE: Rudder Stripers Anonymous -- The Pledge by "Landon, James D" 7) Re: Nats update by "Eli Geher" 8) Re: Which 1964 LIFE issue commemorated WW I Aviation? by Suvoroff@aol.com 9) RE: Nats update by Shane Weier 10) Re: Nats update by Matthew E Bittner 11) Re: Nats update by Ernest Thomas 12) RE: Nats update by Shane Weier 13) Re: Nats update by "DAVID BURKE" 14) Re: Nats update by "DAVID BURKE" 15) RE: Nats update by Shane Weier 16) Texas - California Relations by Brent & Tina Theobald 17) Re: Texas - California Relations by "Lee J Mensinger" 18) RE: Flashback Aviatik Berg D.I by "Robert Woodbury" 19) Re: Flashback Aviatik Berg D.I by "Bob Pearson" 20) RE: Nats update by mkendix 21) Finnish Stuff (Was Nats update) by Brent & Tina Theobald 22) RE: Flashback Aviatik Berg D.I by Shane Weier 23) MvR on National Graphic by Tom Solinski 24) National Geographic Explorer on von Rictofen NOW by Ashley9862@aol.com 25) Re: Finnish Stuff (Was Nats update) by Tom Solinski 26) RE: National Geographic Explorer on von Rictofen NOW by "John Glaser" 27) Re: Nats update by Ernest Thomas 28) Re: Flashback Aviatik Berg D.I by Ernest Thomas 29) Re: Texas - California Relations by Brent & Tina Theobald 30) Re: Arlington Texas Show, Aug 14th by Brent & Tina Theobald 31) RE: Nats update by Shane Weier ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 11:21:58 EDT From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Which 1964 LIFE issue commemorated WW I Aviation? Message-ID: In a message dated 7/27/99, 8:20:07 PM, wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu writes: << Remember back in 1964 when LIFE Magazine had their WW I commemorative series? I still have some cut out pictures from the aviation issue that I used in a Cub Scout project scrapbook. I want to find another copy of that issue on eBay and keep it all in one piece this time. Does anyone know which particular LIFE Magazine issue (month, week and year) focused on aviation? >> Fernando, might I recommend that you post the issue number here, if you find out what it was? I believe that with the worldwide reach of this lsit, we could find you a copy and you wouldn't have to pay some horendous bid price on Ebay. There is a local shop in Davenport that sells old magazines and they have piles of Life. Comstocks in Auburn Washington may be a starting point, plus all those neat musty old used bookstores down in Seattle. BTW, if you haven't made a trip to Comstocks on Mainstreet in Aubern, it's a treat. They have a huge selection of used aviation and general military books and modeling magazines. Decent prices and a fun place to shop. Hopefully, it's still there. been a while since I was last in, it being a rather long trip from my current digs in beautiful downtown Port Byron, on the banks of the mighty Mississippi. Which, I may add, is a lovely shade of brown this year. And the humidity is only 78% right now, so the weather is just lovely. Unless you wnat touse the airbrush. All the water traps in the world won't help you when you have your painting rig banished to the garage........ Glen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 11:37:09 EDT From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Re: I'm Back Message-ID: <6ea8df63.24d07da5@aol.com> In a message dated 7/27/99, 10:11:49 PM, wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu writes: <> Not really. July 4th is a Wednesday. The weekend is the 7-8th of July. And the reason that that weekend was selected was not the Nationals nor the clubs choosing. This was a "west coast" year for the convention, but no chapter bid by the deadline. Then the bids were opened up to other chapters. Chicago submited a bid and Seattle came in late with a bid, but Chicago was selected. The bottom line is that by the time the deadline had passed and the bidding was opened up to other chapters, that weekend was the only one available in a facility that was capable of supporting a quality National. So you can't blame the chapter or National for selecting that date. It was the only one available. However, to get this sucker back on topic, I would be happy to volunteer to be the point man for setting up a list gathering in Chicago in 2001. Glen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 09:54:15 -0600 From: "Landon, James D" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Where are you? Was RE: Judging Message-ID: <98B98E951BA0D1119A590000F8045A47030A3093@emss02m05.ems.lmco.com> Whew! I'm glad I don't live in *THAT* Denver, wherever it is. Jim > ---------- > From: Albatrosdv@aol.com > Reply To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 1999 4:50 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Where are you? Was RE: Judging > > In a message dated 99-07-27 18:47:48 EDT, you write: > > << > AND BESIDES, DENVER IS WONDERFUL!!! > >> > Exclusive of the late winter storms in March just when you think it's safe > to > come out of hibernation, the Platte floods, the summer thunderstorms, > plain > old ordinary everyday Winter, and the fact that the only time anyone can > see > the Front Range of the Rockies in the past 35 years is after a big wind > comes > along and blows all the crap away, not to mention the Dutch Elm disease 25 > > years ago ended all the nice tree-shaded streets. > > Tom Cleaver > (who remembers when there was *open country* between Denver and Littleton > and > Englewood and all the other little 'burbs) > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 11:52:18 EDT From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: I'm Back Message-ID: <343bd059.24d08132@aol.com> << I have heard 4 - 7 July. Why must they have these on a holiday? Bummer... >> Just a comment (I am not really an attendee of these, but have been reading the posts with interest) ... holidays and long weekends are the best choice if you are hoping to draw people from outside of the immediate neighborhood - people need the travel time. I know this from my involvement in a choir - we always book out-of-town concerts on long weekends - one day travel there, one day for the show, one day to travel back. I dont know if that gives modellers enough time to enter their models, but it at least allows one full day to view the entries and vendor's goodies. If attendance has been a problem - it might be interesting to compare attendance on 2-day as opposed to 3-day weekends. Of course, this is a general observation only - I believe for the above dates July 4 is mid-week. Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 12:46:14 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Flashback Aviatik Berg D.I Message-ID: <46c868f1.24d08dd6@aol.com> In a message dated 99-07-28 04:31:57 EDT, you write: << Tom, How dark a grey would you use? And how effective is this "undercoating"? Rob >> I use acrylics, and what I think I will use is Tamiya XF-53, "Neutral Grey." It's a color not that far off of Extra Dark Sea Grey. Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 11:19:24 -0600 From: "Landon, James D" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Rudder Stripers Anonymous -- The Pledge Message-ID: <98B98E951BA0D1119A590000F8045A47030A3094@emss02m05.ems.lmco.com> <<<< Heck, rudders are small so it's not a big problem. :-) ... When you're doing those Microscopic Models. :-) >> Yeah, I had to have my wife help me carry the Tommy rudder to the paint booth last night. ;-) I got the red band painted on, but I couldn't do the white or blue because both of those gallon cans were empty. ;-) Jim, feeling silly > ---------- > From: Albatrosdv@aol.com > Reply To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 1999 8:53 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Rudder Stripers Anonymous -- The Pledge > > In a message dated 99-07-27 22:12:16 EDT, Matt writes: > > << Heck, rudders are small so it's not a big problem. :-) >> > > When you're doing those Microscopic Models. :-) > > Tom C > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 15:03:59 -0500 From: "Eli Geher" To: Subject: Re: Nats update Message-ID: <006301bed935$2624e9c0$4c6086d0@eligeher> -----Original Message----- From: Ernest Thomas >DAVID BURKE wrote: > >> P.S., Jerry Krieger (hope I spelled it right) got gipped as his Sopwith >> Tripe didn't even rate a mention!! What a rip off as his Tripe is a damned >> beauty!! > >Yes it was. But I don't really feel bad for the guy seeing as how his >Albatross took 2nd. >E. > Since the "no sweeps" rule was in effect this year, there was no possibility of a trophy for the 2nd model. Eli ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:45:45 EDT From: Suvoroff@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Which 1964 LIFE issue commemorated WW I Aviation? Message-ID: "...if you haven't made a trip to Comstocks on Mainstreet in Aubern, it's a treat. They have a huge selection of used aviation and general military books and modeling magazines. Decent prices and a fun place to shop. Hopefully, it's still there." Yes, Comstocks is still there, I was in on Saturday. I would say that prices were on the steep side, myself, but the stock is very large and good. Yours, James D. Gray ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 08:44:38 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Nats update Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD475923@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Eli comments: > Since the "no sweeps" rule was in effect this year, there was no > possibility of a trophy for the 2nd model. Anyone care to comment on the rationalisation for "no sweeps" rules? I don't think I've ever seen it used anywhere; either entrants are restricted to just one entry per section OR can enter as many as they wish and if good enough, take the trifecta. I can see the benefit in allowing more entrants to walk away with an award, but I'd personally prefer to see as many models as possible, even if it pushed me right to the back of the queue. I suppose at a really big show it stops numbers getting right out of hand, and while that doesn't seem likely for our particular perversion (down Ern) I guess it'd be a bit unfair to say "No sweeps with popular subjects" and yet allow them elsewhere in the hope of pulling more multiple entries. Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:49:25 -0500 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Nats update Message-ID: <19990728.174925.-80699.3.mbittner@juno.com> On Wed, 28 Jul 1999 18:45:34 -0400 (EDT) Shane Weier writes: > Anyone care to comment on the rationalisation for "no sweeps" rules? Basically, it just means the same modeler can't win more than one award in a category. So, if you enter 12 models, all of them the best there is in the world, you would only receive one "first", and the rest would not win. I'm for and against these. :-) I understand the rule in that it helps with the newer people feeling better when they "win" something. However, if you have a model with obvious seams, lozenge on a Dr.I, and some such, that model still wins. Which is why I'm against it, as well. ;-) Does that muddy/clear things up? Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 18:19:35 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Nats update Message-ID: <379F9007.1C1@bellsouth.net> Matthew E Bittner wrote: > > Anyone care to comment on the rationalisation for "no sweeps" rules? > > Basically, it just means the same modeler can't win more than one award > in a category. I thought it meant that a contestant couldn't sweep, ie, win all three awards in a catagory. Unless he's got the only three entries in that catagory. At least that's how we do it in these parts. But no, Shane, it has nothing to do with how many entries a contestant can in any given cat. E. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 09:32:02 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Nats update Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD475924@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Matt, > > Anyone care to comment on the rationalisation for "no sweeps" rules? > > Basically, it just means the same modeler can't win more than > one award in a category. Yeah, yeah, I know what it *means*, just not why it's done. > I'm for and against these. :-) I understand the rule in that it helps > with the newer people feeling better when they "win" > something. So give everyone a little flag saying "Best Modeller in the World" ;-) Seriously, I understand this motivation, and in our contests we prepare "Commended" certificates which (unaccountably!) appear to be rife in the agegroup sections. > However, if you have a model with obvious seams, lozenge on a Dr.I, > and some such, that model still wins. Which is why I'm > against it, as well. ;-) Awkward huh? Over several years we have considered moving to a Gold/Silver/Bronze award system in which medals are given to mark a standard, rather than a position. This would allow sections with many terrific models to receive more awards than small sections with nothing but dross - no medal for that Dr.I. Unfortunately, setting and maintaining a "standard" is just as hard as choosing 1-2-3 and you exchange one set of imperfections for another. In the end we compromised by allowing "tied" awards, and by making it difficult for judges to evade making genuine decisions (they have to convince the head judge when they can't split a position) we appear to have avoided the "something for everyone" mentality. > Does that muddy/clear things up? There is no perfect answer. To anything in modelling, and especially to contests. You just have to run them to keep the maximum number of people happy, and minimise the trauma for the unhappy. Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 18:23:55 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Nats update Message-ID: <004801bed951$4f473e40$9b80aec7@dora9sprynet.com> -----Original Message----- From: Eli Geher To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 3:02 PM Subject: Re: Nats update > >-----Original Message----- >From: Ernest Thomas > >>DAVID BURKE wrote: >> >>> P.S., Jerry Krieger (hope I spelled it right) got gipped as >his Sopwith >>> Tripe didn't even rate a mention!! What a rip off as his >Tripe is a damned >>> beauty!! >> >>Yes it was. But I don't really feel bad for the guy seeing as >how his >>Albatross took 2nd. >>E. >> > >Since the "no sweeps" rule was in effect this year, there was no >possibility of a trophy for the 2nd model. > >Eli > I miss your point as he only took 2nd. He could have taken another award in the category. DB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 18:31:19 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Nats update Message-ID: <004a01bed951$50f27d40$9b80aec7@dora9sprynet.com> That is absolutely wacky. The way that I understood the 'no sweeps' rule was that no modeler could take First, Second, and Third place (a 'sweep'), unless no one else entered the category. However, he could take any combination of two of the places if someone else was in there with him. One award per category would be appropriate if there were only two awards, 1st and 2nd. The idea that you are only allowed one award per category that has 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and Honorable Mention does not fall under a 'no sweep' rule as far as I can see - seems that something else is at work here. Now I'm really gonna unsubscribe - I think I did it wrong.... Dave -----Original Message----- From: Matthew E Bittner To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 5:56 PM Subject: Re: Nats update >On Wed, 28 Jul 1999 18:45:34 -0400 (EDT) Shane Weier >writes: > >> Anyone care to comment on the rationalisation for "no sweeps" rules? > >Basically, it just means the same modeler can't win more than one award >in a category. So, if you enter 12 models, all of them the best there is >in the world, you would only receive one "first", and the rest would not >win. > >I'm for and against these. :-) I understand the rule in that it helps >with the newer people feeling better when they "win" something. However, >if you have a model with obvious seams, lozenge on a Dr.I, and some such, >that model still wins. Which is why I'm against it, as well. ;-) > >Does that muddy/clear things up? > > >Matt Bittner >http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook >http://www.discoveromaha.com/community/groups/plasticmodelers/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 09:35:05 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Nats update Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD475925@mimhexch.mim.com.au> E, > But no, Shane, it has nothing to do with how many entries a contestant > can in any given cat. Yes, I understood that, but if you're restricted to no better than 1 award (or maybe to two of three if that is how it's interpretted), many people will enter just once, maybe twice, rather than expend the entry fee on their "least best" models - so less entries. Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 18:53:09 -0700 From: Brent & Tina Theobald To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Texas - California Relations Message-ID: <379FB404.A113DA80@airmail.net> Howdy! > We'll have to check the state of Texas - California relations before we let > you in. Can't let any subversives in that might try to put avocado and bean > sprouts on a hamburger! Beware of them Northeners who will try to put beans in our chili. When ya'll get here get in touch with me. I am taking my Minnesota friends out for REAL Tex-Mex food! (I am not buying by the way...) Later! Brent ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 19:13:44 -0500 From: "Lee J Mensinger" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Texas - California Relations Message-ID: <379F9CB8.8941FB96@wireweb.net> Chili without beans is only spicy boiled stew meat. A medium spicy hot thin soup at best. The reason early Texans didn't put beans in the chili was because the couldn't afford them. Now days there is no excuse at all except maybe laziness because of the heat. Lee Brent & Tina Theobald wrote: > Howdy! > > > We'll have to check the state of Texas - California relations before we let > > you in. Can't let any subversives in that might try to put avocado and bean > > sprouts on a hamburger! > > Beware of them Northeners who will try to put beans in our chili. When ya'll get > here get in touch with me. I am taking my Minnesota friends out for REAL Tex-Mex > food! (I am not buying by the way...) > > Later! > > Brent ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 08:59:40 +0800 From: "Robert Woodbury" To: Subject: RE: Flashback Aviatik Berg D.I Message-ID: <000401bed95d$a3180980$91107482@per.clw.csiro.au> > Having seen the built-up model at Orlando, I have doubts about toning it > down with a grey undercoat. I don't know what color the base undercoat > was, but that orange was still god-awful bright. Good luck. What are the options then if one is determined to finish the aircraft in the hex scheme? I'm aware of the Americal sheet but is it any better? (taking the iffy printing often experienced in to account) As for the model itself, the fuselage halves are close to being glued together. My only comment at this point are that the fuselage halves will need to be sanded down to provide good mating surfaces. And those "real rubber tyres"...I hold little hope of being able to do much with them- though maybe a little viagra would help to stiffen them up, even if they finish up a little over-scale. Rob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 18:04:30 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Flashback Aviatik Berg D.I Message-ID: <199907290111.SAA04107@mail.rapidnet.net> >> Having seen the built-up model at Orlando, I have doubts about toning it >> down with a grey undercoat. I don't know what color the base undercoat >> was, but that orange was still god-awful bright. Good luck. > What are the options then if one is determined to finish the aircraft in the > hex scheme? I'm aware of the Americal sheet but is it any better? (taking > the iffy printing often experienced in to account) Do it as per the original and paint it yourself. I handpainted lozenge on a 1/48 Fokker D.VII and it only takes16 hours or so. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 21:02:36 -0400 (EDT) From: mkendix To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Nats update Message-ID: On Wed, 28 Jul 1999, Shane Weier wrote: > Yes, I understood that, but if you're restricted to no better than 1 award > (or maybe to two of three if that is how it's interpretted), many people > will enter just once, maybe twice, rather than expend the entry fee on their > "least best" models - so less entries. > Shane: Allowing unlimited prizes per person in a category will probably maximize the quality of the entries. The best modellers will enter 3, 4 or 5 models etc. Allowing only one prize per person probably reduces the overall quality but not necessarily the quantity. Lesser mortals may be discouraged by the prospect of being effectively shut-out by one or more modelling deities, and decide not to pay their entry fee for no reason. They may be discouraged from entering even if there is no fee. Thus, thereis a counterveiling effect opposing the multiple entry effect. Allowing one prize per person is essentially judging the person's skill. It's a trade-off, as Matt Bittner intimated. If you want participants in the competitions, you need to distribute the prizes around a bit. The US IPMS national meetings are already less than optimal in size; for example, hotel rates would be lower if the meetings attracted more people. Allowing multiple prizes per person in a given category makes the contest and thence, the meetings, less inclusive. In any case, contestants do win multiple prizes by entering in different categories. It's great to be the best in a single category but to win prizes in different categories is probably more difficult - I say this without realy knowing since I'm a long way in terms of time and skill, from winning anything. Michael mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 19:52:51 -0700 From: Brent & Tina Theobald To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Finnish Stuff (Was Nats update) Message-ID: <379FC203.4CA9ABB2@airmail.net> Howdy! > I still gotta gotta do a Finland N.17 one of these days.... I don't have any pics of this aircraft in my collection. What book is that picture in? I am also interested in Finnish Albatross BII and CIII, DFW CV and Nieuport 10 and 23's. None of my pictures go back far enough. Brent -- ************************************* They’ve got us surrounded, the poor bastards! ************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:17:35 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Flashback Aviatik Berg D.I Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD47592B@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Rob > What are the options then if one is determined to finish the > aircraft in the hex scheme? I'm aware of the Americal sheet > but is it any better? (taking > the iffy printing often experienced in to account) I have two of the A/G sheet bought several years apart. Both are well aligned. In this case I'm somewhat of the opinion that perfect alignment is liable to be a disadvantage. Remember that the hexes were hand painted and varied in *shape* as well as alignment from manufacturer to manufacturer. Remember too that since much of the hex is on the tapered fuselage, it would be *impossible* for the builders to paint accurate right hexagons around all those corners and taper - and getting the hex to align will possibly be a bummer. Having said that I really *have* to do one in hex. I'll use the A/G I have, but a carefully cut mask should make painting the hexes easier, if not easy. (One more comment. The A/G hexes are bigger than the Flashback. I don't know which is right, or whether this is yet another artifact of the variation between manufacturers, and therefore both are right) > And those "real rubber tyres"...I hold little hope of being > able to do much with them- See my earlier opinion. Maybe they'll work. Maybe not. But it doesn't look promising in my hamfisted hands. Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 20:29:00 -0500 From: Tom Solinski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: MvR on National Graphic Message-ID: <379FAE5C.1277A317@ionet.net> Listers, TBS out of atlanta is running a national geographic special on THE Baron. It's 20:27 here Maybe the left coast can catch it in two hours Sorry for folks off the mainland Tom S in OK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 21:32:46 EDT From: Ashley9862@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: National Geographic Explorer on von Rictofen NOW Message-ID: Hi Guys, TBS in LA (maybe on network) has National geographic explorer on MvR, complete with interviews with his surviving family...etc and family members of allied pilots he shot down... Candice ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 20:30:48 -0500 From: Tom Solinski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Finnish Stuff (Was Nats update) Message-ID: <379FAEC8.DDE247FA@ionet.net> Brent have you tried the Finnish AF Museum site? Tom S ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 20:52:45 -0500 From: "John Glaser" To: Subject: RE: National Geographic Explorer on von Rictofen NOW Message-ID: It's on again Saturday at 9 AM Central time. JCG -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of Ashley9862@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 8:34 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: National Geographic Explorer on von Rictofen NOW Hi Guys, TBS in LA (maybe on network) has National geographic explorer on MvR, complete with interviews with his surviving family...etc and family members of allied pilots he shot down... Candice ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 20:54:57 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Nats update Message-ID: <379FB471.1A34@bellsouth.net> Shane Weier wrote: > Yes, I understood that, but if you're restricted to no better than 1 award > (or maybe to two of three if that is how it's interpretted), many people > will enter just once, maybe twice, rather than expend the entry fee on their > "least best" models - so less entries. Well, that is a possiblilty. Otoh, there's guys like me who will enter as many models as they think are worthy to avoid 2nd guessing the judges and give themselves as many chances as possible, and also to help the contest turnout/bottom line of their local IPMS chapter. BUt I do think that idea of 'standards' is kinda interesting. Perhaps a bit cruel to the guys who don't get any kind of mention, but interesting all the same. E. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 21:02:01 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Flashback Aviatik Berg D.I Message-ID: <379FB619.4E3C@bellsouth.net> Robert Woodbury wrote: > What are the options then if one is determined to finish the aircraft in the > hex scheme? You could always apply the kit hex and use it as a pattern to paint over the offending colors by hand. Or maybe make some color copies of it to experiment with different colored oversprays to try and town down, if not alter, the colors. Just thinking our loud. Ymmv. E. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 21:01:45 -0700 From: Brent & Tina Theobald To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Texas - California Relations Message-ID: <379FD228.6620F218@airmail.net> Howdy! > Chili without beans is only spicy boiled stew meat. A medium spicy hot thin soup > at best. You better smile when you say that pilgrim! I don't know what you've been eating, but the above does not describe Texas chili. It can range anywhere from mildly spicy to unbearably hot. I have even tried rattlesnake chili, though I don't recomend it. The consistancy is never thin or runny. It ought to stick to your spoon. > The reason early Texans didn't put beans in the chili was because the couldn't > afford them. Now days there is no excuse at all except maybe laziness because of > the heat. Heh heh, right. We all know how much cheaper beans are than good chili meat. Down here we have more beef than beans. This sounds more like the Northern attitude. I encourage you to express this opinion to the first true Texan you meet! But seriously, come to Dallas next year. We'll eat some real chili. Brent -- ************************************* They’ve got us surrounded, the poor bastards! ************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 21:05:44 -0700 From: Brent & Tina Theobald To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Arlington Texas Show, Aug 14th Message-ID: <379FD318.56BEB54E@airmail.net> Hi Doug! > Hey anyone going to the Arlington Show here in 2 1/2 weeks? Like to meet > some others there if possible... I will be there with some of my Russian SIG pals. Wear your lederhosen so I can pick you out of the crowd! Anyone else from the Dallas/Fort Worth area going? Brent ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 12:29:49 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Nats update Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD47592D@mimhexch.mim.com.au> EtH > Well, that is a possiblilty. Otoh, there's guys like me who will enter > as many models as they think are worthy to avoid 2nd guessing > the judges and give themselves as many chances as possible, and also to help the > contest turnout/bottom line of their local IPMS chapter. Count me also in this group - always allowing that I could actually complete more than one entry per section ! It is, to a degree, self limiting since (at our show anyway) every entry attracts an entry fee. > BUt I do think that idea of 'standards' is kinda interesting. In effect, this is how AMPS works. Unfortunately, IMHO, it makes judging a nightmare in a big show because you *must* use points based judging, and you *must* have a pool of equally competent, equally trained, and equally "hard but fair" judges or ever after you get comments along the line of "Yes well "x" won but he was judged lightly and "y" was judged hard, and don't you believe it's all a conspiracy by club "z"" Better to have syndicates of three judges who have to *openly* justify their choice of one over another *IMHO* > Perhaps a > bit cruel to the guys who don't get any kind of mention, but > interesting all the same. Mmm. Not really. Imagine a contest where there are two exceptional, magnificent models, one extremely fine one yet not up to that exalted standard, and three very, very good ones impossible to split except by gross nitpicking. Hand out 2 Gold, 1 Silver, 3 Bronze. BUT....checks and balances have to be strong or it easily degenrates into "something for everyone" or the two best models of a very moderate section get golds because the judges are unwilling to split them, while only one is awarded in a tightly contested section. Man, have I *ever* been around and around this mulberry bush. The GSB system often used in Europe and by AMPS, and the 1-2-3 system used by IPMS USA and generally here, both have advantages, disadvantages, good points and outright failings. I don't know if i have a strong preference for either personally except I'd always approve a system which rewarded good work without discouraging effort or spawning bad feeling. And if I could find a way to award medals on the basis of Dicta Ira, I'd feel like I'd acheived Nirvana Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). 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